I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.
They're working with a Disney budget.
You can really feel where the money went in this show.
in order:
Special Effects Budget
Choreography
Story
actors
dialogue
I’d say the casting was pretty spot on, so I wouldn’t place it so low. Seems they wanted to get it right since they got the MCUs casting director, and it shows.
It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.
I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.
They're working with a Disney budget.
You can really feel where the money went in this show.
in order:
Special Effects Budget
Choreography
Story
actors
dialogue
I’d say the casting was pretty spot on, so I wouldn’t place it so low. Seems they wanted to get it right since they got the MCUs casting director, and it shows.
It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.
Are you talking about Amy Sedaris? She was the best part of that whole episode!
I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.
They're working with a Disney budget.
You can really feel where the money went in this show.
in order:
Special Effects Budget
Choreography
Story
actors
dialogue
I’d say the casting was pretty spot on, so I wouldn’t place it so low. Seems they wanted to get it right since they got the MCUs casting director, and it shows.
It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.
Are you talking about Amy Sedaris? She was the best part of that whole episode!
Hard disagree, felt super awkward and disconnected.
The dialogue and exaggerated characters are just part of the general cartooniness of the show.
I don't see it as a flaw.
I guess?
Sometimes it just felt like a poorly made fan film. The action, special effects, and that goddamned adorable baby Yoda are what pull me through the show, but there's definitely a lot of cringe. Maybe it's because it's essentially a Saturday morning cartoon but shot as live action? I dunno.
I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.
They're working with a Disney budget.
You can really feel where the money went in this show.
in order:
Special Effects Budget
Choreography
Story
actors
dialogue
Uh, considering the Unreal promotional bit that came out about them actually doing a lot of the scenes live in engine, I would be willing to bet a LOT of the special effects wound up being way cheaper than most contemporary shows.
Like, if you shoot all those exterior shots on set without needed to move a whole crew out there to the wilderness for days on end, PLUS had no added render time for the scenery and backgrounds and little to no compositing time?
I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.
They're working with a Disney budget.
You can really feel where the money went in this show.
in order:
Special Effects Budget
Choreography
Story
actors
dialogue
Uh, considering the Unreal promotional bit that came out about them actually doing a lot of the scenes live in engine, I would be willing to bet a LOT of the special effects wound up being way cheaper than most contemporary shows.
Like, if you shoot all those exterior shots on set without needed to move a whole crew out there to the wilderness for days on end, PLUS had no added render time for the scenery and backgrounds and little to no compositing time?
That's HUGE on an effects budget.
That sounds awesome. Hopefully other TV shows that want to do Sci-Fi/Superhero stuff take note, then, because Mandalorian's special effects are pretty great.
In much of scifi, space, how it works, the distances involved, all that is a part of the stories, almost like a background character.
And JJ just doesn't give a fuck about how space works. It was like that when he did star trek, too. Explosions light years away instantly visible, travel times of seconds..
You mean like how the Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs? Like that?
No, I mean where stuff established to be light years away is suddenly instantly visible with a naked eye. That's a few orders of magnitude worse.
I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.
They're working with a Disney budget.
You can really feel where the money went in this show.
in order:
Special Effects Budget
Choreography
Story
actors
dialogue
Uh, considering the Unreal promotional bit that came out about them actually doing a lot of the scenes live in engine, I would be willing to bet a LOT of the special effects wound up being way cheaper than most contemporary shows.
Like, if you shoot all those exterior shots on set without needed to move a whole crew out there to the wilderness for days on end, PLUS had no added render time for the scenery and backgrounds and little to no compositing time?
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Favreau talked a lot about the technology and methods he learned from his previous films (particularly The Lion King) informing how they worked on The Mando. Apparently there are a ton of tricks they implemented that saved them a lot of time and money and gave them really great quality in comparison to a standard movie CG-fest.
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I knew about the Unreal engine thing, but hadn't heard about their use of LED walls while filming. That's super neat.
Yep. At 4k or 8k resolution (I'm guessing for a production like this they went 8k density, but obviously on a massive scale), your camera basically has to be up against the screen to notice the pixelization. The other thing I saw elsewhere (sorry don't have the link at the moment), is that with the LED screens, they would sync up the physical camera movements with the virtual game camera, so you could actually achieve proper pan and rotational shots with correct parallax and perspective all in realtime on the screens.
Or vice versa, where the physical camera is static but the background/scenery rotates around (IE, the spinning gatling laser shots), all without the need of complex post production compositing and rendering.
Death Watch being bad guys is pretty subjective, though. Given what happens immediately after Clone Wars (the Mandalorian purge), the militant faction of the Mandos seemed to have been proved right by history. Demilitarization led the empire to pillage their world and murder most of the inhabitants.
Maul himself being a bad guy is also somewhat shakey. Yeah, he's not a good guy, but even with all the garbage with the Black Sun his eventual goal was to kill Palpatine which at least gets him lesser evil points. He probably would have been terrible had he succeeded, but we see in his death his eventual goals were mostly motivated by revenge and protecting his people, which Palpatine wiped out.
Duchess Satine is the most painfully genre-blind character I've seen in a while, and she's treated as such in show. She's shown to be so traumatized by Mandalore's civil wars she's completely incapable of dealing with any kind of external threat to her people and government other than the most base appeasement.
She's also stated to have exiled ALL of Mandalores warrior clans, not just the Death Watch. So it's likely Din's group, if it had been around, would have shared the same fate.
There were also plenty of honorable Mandalorians like Fenn Rau and Bo-Katarn who were also driven away by her polices.
She spites even the reasonable people in her own government, and has them thrown in prison for "horrible" crimes like turning to smugglers for trying to get FOOD through a blockaded world. Moreover, towards the end she chooses to blame her own people, rather than take responsibilities for her own mistakes. Her death was unavoidable.
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We just finished the season! I like Star Wars again. Will I never be free of it's grasp?
So hey, that bit where the TIE folded it's wings to sit down - is that a standard feature that they've always had, or is this a fancy new model?
Oh brilliant
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We just finished the season! I like Star Wars again. Will I never be free of it's grasp?
So hey, that bit where the TIE folded it's wings to sit down - is that a standard feature that they've always had, or is this a fancy new model?
That is absolutely a feature of a Fancy TIE, regular TIE fighters (and every other TIE I've seen, which is like nine different types) don't fold up. Every other variant I've seen is built to go on a rack in a Star Destroyer hangar, pilots normally don't enter them from the deck but from a ladder or something.
Though they probably just threw this new variant in there because they realized somebody having a dramatic entrance is rather undermined if said individual has to awkwardly climb out of the top of the TIE and then get over to a ladder to get down. Much more dramatic to have the TIE just fold up to show that's something special, and then the pilot can just step right out.
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Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.
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TIE wings are normally rigid, it’s a special feature of that special TIE.
Like, Vader’s Advanced TIE from New Hope is probably as good as you get in that era for TIEs and it sure as hell couldn’t do that.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
It is common in Star Wars to introduce new things that "break the rules". Sometimes we get 2-seat TIEs. Sometimes we get folding TIEs. And sometimes we get what TROS does with TIEs.
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Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.
I love this kind of silly in universe explanation for stuff after the fact. It’s what makes the world building fun.
It reminds me of some backstory on the A-Wing in on the WEG sourcebooks. After the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion realized one thing their fleet was missing: raw speed. So the A-Wing was born out of the trench run.
Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.
I'm sure that's just an Imperial retcon and it's actually a case of the TIE Fighters' physics being seriously borked - I mean, Arma-level borked - and the moment they touch down on their Twin Ion Engines, they just blow up.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.
I love this kind of silly in universe explanation for stuff after the fact. It’s what makes the world building fun.
It reminds me of some backstory on the A-Wing in on the WEG sourcebooks. After the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion realized one thing their fleet was missing: raw speed. So the A-Wing was born out of the trench run.
Love it.
Until all that old EU stuff gets thrown out and the A-Wing actually existed well before Yavin, but wasn't seen in a movie until (chronologically) Endor.
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Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.
I love this kind of silly in universe explanation for stuff after the fact. It’s what makes the world building fun.
It reminds me of some backstory on the A-Wing in on the WEG sourcebooks. After the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion realized one thing their fleet was missing: raw speed. So the A-Wing was born out of the trench run.
Love it.
Until all that old EU stuff gets thrown out and the A-Wing actually existed well before Yavin, but wasn't seen in a movie until (chronologically) Endor.
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It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.
Are you talking about Amy Sedaris? She was the best part of that whole episode!
Was I the only one who was put in mind of Miracle Max and his wife from The Princess Bride? Obviously there's the Ripley wig, but other than that the look and tone was very much Miracle Max for me.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
I'm surprised by how little I mind that the plots of The Mandalorian are basic and the characters pretty simple, even if measured by the standards of Star Wars. The series still makes for very good comfort viewing. I'd want more than this for a second season and beyond, but as it is right now I'm having fun watching what pretty much amounts to "You like Ralph McQuarrie's style? Get a load of this!" Though I do understand why some people are disappointed, because the stories are mostly on the level of filler episodes of Have Gun Will Travel.
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"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
I'm surprised by how little I mind that the plots of The Mandalorian are basic and the characters pretty simple, even if measured by the standards of Star Wars. The series still makes for very good comfort viewing. I'd want more than this for a second season and beyond, but as it is right now I'm having fun watching what pretty much amounts to "You like Ralph McQuarrie's style? Get a load of this!" Though I do understand why some people are disappointed, because the stories are mostly on the level of filler episodes of Have Gun Will Travel.
I find it quite refreshing.
If you're in to the Star Wars universe turbo nerdom, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the background. If not, no big deal. Its a solid adventure story where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad.
Its a little worrying how "fresh" that feels now-a-days when every streaming show seems to need to have 12 plot twists, 5 turns, 7 new characters, 3 cliff hangers and 12 "i want this award" performances per season.
I'm surprised by how little I mind that the plots of The Mandalorian are basic and the characters pretty simple, even if measured by the standards of Star Wars. The series still makes for very good comfort viewing. I'd want more than this for a second season and beyond, but as it is right now I'm having fun watching what pretty much amounts to "You like Ralph McQuarrie's style? Get a load of this!" Though I do understand why some people are disappointed, because the stories are mostly on the level of filler episodes of Have Gun Will Travel.
I find it quite refreshing.
If you're in to the Star Wars universe turbo nerdom, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the background. If not, no big deal. Its a solid adventure story where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad.
Its a little worrying how "fresh" that feels now-a-days when every streaming show seems to need to have 12 plot twists, 5 turns, 7 new characters, 3 cliff hangers and 12 "i want this award" performances per season.
I kind of worried it'd be a prestige-TV style grimy dark serious take on Star Wars full of terrible people being terrible to each other and wouldn't do anything for me, and instead I got a spiritual successor to the Filoni cartoons.
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It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.
Are you talking about Amy Sedaris? She was the best part of that whole episode!
Hard disagree, felt super awkward and disconnected.
I don't see it as a flaw.
I guess?
Sometimes it just felt like a poorly made fan film. The action, special effects, and that goddamned adorable baby Yoda are what pull me through the show, but there's definitely a lot of cringe. Maybe it's because it's essentially a Saturday morning cartoon but shot as live action? I dunno.
Uh, considering the Unreal promotional bit that came out about them actually doing a lot of the scenes live in engine, I would be willing to bet a LOT of the special effects wound up being way cheaper than most contemporary shows.
Like, if you shoot all those exterior shots on set without needed to move a whole crew out there to the wilderness for days on end, PLUS had no added render time for the scenery and backgrounds and little to no compositing time?
That's HUGE on an effects budget.
That sounds awesome. Hopefully other TV shows that want to do Sci-Fi/Superhero stuff take note, then, because Mandalorian's special effects are pretty great.
No, I mean where stuff established to be light years away is suddenly instantly visible with a naked eye. That's a few orders of magnitude worse.
Wait, what??? Can you put a link up?
https://www.geek.com/games/how-the-mandalorian-uses-fortnites-game-engine-for-filmmaking-1811238/
This is pretty fucking rad. The LED wall thing in particular is like some precursor holodeck shit.
He's like the cheapest person alive.
Never thrown a bone out in his life.
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Yep. At 4k or 8k resolution (I'm guessing for a production like this they went 8k density, but obviously on a massive scale), your camera basically has to be up against the screen to notice the pixelization. The other thing I saw elsewhere (sorry don't have the link at the moment), is that with the LED screens, they would sync up the physical camera movements with the virtual game camera, so you could actually achieve proper pan and rotational shots with correct parallax and perspective all in realtime on the screens.
Or vice versa, where the physical camera is static but the background/scenery rotates around (IE, the spinning gatling laser shots), all without the need of complex post production compositing and rendering.
Alright with that out of the way, enjoy some Boda memes.
Meme dump
Glad I got that out of my system.
This is the Way.
Hes still mad the baby threw out a perfectly good Carl Weathers
Duchess Satine is the most painfully genre-blind character I've seen in a while, and she's treated as such in show. She's shown to be so traumatized by Mandalore's civil wars she's completely incapable of dealing with any kind of external threat to her people and government other than the most base appeasement.
She's also stated to have exiled ALL of Mandalores warrior clans, not just the Death Watch. So it's likely Din's group, if it had been around, would have shared the same fate.
There were also plenty of honorable Mandalorians like Fenn Rau and Bo-Katarn who were also driven away by her polices.
She spites even the reasonable people in her own government, and has them thrown in prison for "horrible" crimes like turning to smugglers for trying to get FOOD through a blockaded world. Moreover, towards the end she chooses to blame her own people, rather than take responsibilities for her own mistakes. Her death was unavoidable.
So hey, that bit where the TIE folded it's wings to sit down - is that a standard feature that they've always had, or is this a fancy new model?
That is absolutely a feature of a Fancy TIE, regular TIE fighters (and every other TIE I've seen, which is like nine different types) don't fold up. Every other variant I've seen is built to go on a rack in a Star Destroyer hangar, pilots normally don't enter them from the deck but from a ladder or something.
Though they probably just threw this new variant in there because they realized somebody having a dramatic entrance is rather undermined if said individual has to awkwardly climb out of the top of the TIE and then get over to a ladder to get down. Much more dramatic to have the TIE just fold up to show that's something special, and then the pilot can just step right out.
Like, Vader’s Advanced TIE from New Hope is probably as good as you get in that era for TIEs and it sure as hell couldn’t do that.
I love this kind of silly in universe explanation for stuff after the fact. It’s what makes the world building fun.
It reminds me of some backstory on the A-Wing in on the WEG sourcebooks. After the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion realized one thing their fleet was missing: raw speed. So the A-Wing was born out of the trench run.
Love it.
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Geez
Also they look like bow ties
I see what you did there
Until all that old EU stuff gets thrown out and the A-Wing actually existed well before Yavin, but wasn't seen in a movie until (chronologically) Endor.
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I find it quite refreshing.
If you're in to the Star Wars universe turbo nerdom, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the background. If not, no big deal. Its a solid adventure story where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad.
Its a little worrying how "fresh" that feels now-a-days when every streaming show seems to need to have 12 plot twists, 5 turns, 7 new characters, 3 cliff hangers and 12 "i want this award" performances per season.
I kind of worried it'd be a prestige-TV style grimy dark serious take on Star Wars full of terrible people being terrible to each other and wouldn't do anything for me, and instead I got a spiritual successor to the Filoni cartoons.