No. I'm pretty sure Venom and other Sony-Spidey adjacent movies will remain PG-13 in the hope they will somehow be worked into the MCU backdoor style. Which isn't happening, but Sony would love it.
If Sony actually does get a Spidey cameo, I doubt they waste it on Morbius. He'd probably show up in Venom 2.
Not saying anything is set in stone but I think if Disney gets a bigger cut of the films going forward, I can see why they'd let them play with some of the shared toys, such as Keaton's character and other characters Sony probably gets first dibs on.
Has there been any talk about Venom (the movie, not the character) being redone/director's cutted? I was only half interested in the movie when it was announced, and when Tom Hardy mentioned that the studio had stripped the good parts out, my remaining interest drained, and so I haven't watched it yet.
Venom's fun, as is. It could have leaned harder into its weirdness - sounds like the cut scenes did this - but it is still an endearingly oddball movie about a shitty reporter and his cannibalistic parasite BFF.
If Sony actually does get a Spidey cameo, I doubt they waste it on Morbius. He'd probably show up in Venom 2.
Not saying anything is set in stone but I think if Disney gets a bigger cut of the films going forward, I can see why they'd let them play with some of the shared toys, such as Keaton's character and other characters Sony probably gets first dibs on.
If there’s any hero cameo in Morbius to do an MCU tie in, I’m guessing it’s Blade at the end of the credits. Gives them a way to set up Morbius as an actual character then a showdown with Blade in his own film.
If Sony actually does get a Spidey cameo, I doubt they waste it on Morbius. He'd probably show up in Venom 2.
Not saying anything is set in stone but I think if Disney gets a bigger cut of the films going forward, I can see why they'd let them play with some of the shared toys, such as Keaton's character and other characters Sony probably gets first dibs on.
If there’s any hero cameo in Morbius to do an MCU tie in, I’m guessing it’s Blade at the end of the credits. Gives them a way to set up Morbius as an actual character then a showdown with Blade in his own film.
As much as this would be an excellent fan moment, I don't see Marvel letting them do that
Maybe eventually if Disney saw Sony as more of a partner. I do agree that would be an excellent way to introduce Blade.
"From the studio that brought you Spider Man: Homecoming and Spider Man: Far From Home."
Uh-huh. Okay Sony.
Should have been Spiderverse up there if they really wanted to sell it.
But anyhow, this guy is some kind of a vampire, right? But not a classical one with magic and dark powers, but more along the lines of comic book science to explain it?
Seems like a lot of work just to have a “realistic” version of a vampire IMO.
You can blame Fredric Wertham and the Comics Code for that.
"Heyyyy, this looks like a vampire, and we banned all that horror stuff, because it was Bad for the Youth."
"No, no, he's, uh... a living vampire! Made with science! That's totally different. Really."
*suspicious sideeye* "... okay."
("You think he actually bought it?"
"Who cares, we get to make vampire comics again. Kids love that stuff.")
Eh, Leto is an uninteresting lead to me after his stupid Joker shenanigans on set. Venom was a mediocre movie elevated by a perfect for the role lead, and this looks like more of the same but with an annoying dick as the lead.
If Sony actually does get a Spidey cameo, I doubt they waste it on Morbius. He'd probably show up in Venom 2.
Not saying anything is set in stone but I think if Disney gets a bigger cut of the films going forward, I can see why they'd let them play with some of the shared toys, such as Keaton's character and other characters Sony probably gets first dibs on.
If there’s any hero cameo in Morbius to do an MCU tie in, I’m guessing it’s Blade at the end of the credits. Gives them a way to set up Morbius as an actual character then a showdown with Blade in his own film.
As much as this would be an excellent fan moment, I don't see Marvel letting them do that
Maybe eventually if Disney saw Sony as more of a partner. I do agree that would be an excellent way to introduce Blade.
IF they did this, it'd require the legal team equivalent of The Avengers working out all the particulars that Marvel fucking OWNS that character, its likeness, its use in the film, every last conceivable angle.
There's no way they'd let Sony have leverage to potentially fuck with their effort to put out a Blade movie again before it's even in production (I think I heard it's in pre-production? Maybe that has changed? Point remains)
Yeah, I know, Marvel/Disney are no saints, want Scrooge McDuck sized piles of money, that has all been hashed out, etc, etc. After the 'omg will Marvel lose Spider-Man???' SNAFU recently, I can't imagine they'll leave anything like that up to chance.
Like, the kind of contract that costs someone high up on the hierarchy their immortal soul if violated.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Leto is a good actor, he's just awfully cringey human being in terms of his personal tastes. He definitely needs to be told what to do though, when he brings his own ideas in it's all very... Not good. They let him come up with most of the Joker concept for Suicide Squad and it didn't pan out as well as when Ledger did it. I think it's a character that has to be well written first and then the actor can fill out the gaps with their own made up personality and character traits.
I think Morbius is interesting because it is an edgelord character already, so Leto's personal tastes actually do line up with the character. So it could be good enough, in the way Venom was mostly only watchable because Hardy so badly wanted to play the role and was doing a pretty good job with it.
Yeah, I know, Marvel/Disney are no saints, want Scrooge McDuck sized piles of money, that has all been hashed out, etc, etc. After the 'omg will Marvel lose Spider-Man???' SNAFU recently, I can't imagine they'll leave anything like that up to chance.
Like, the kind of contract that costs someone high up on the hierarchy their immortal soul if violated.
pfft, as if anyone at that level still has theirs.
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Suicide Squad was a mess all around. From the writing to the directing to the studio meddling. The casting was top-notch* but it just goes to show that the best actors in the world cannot save a film from a fundamentally bad script or a poor director or executive overreach. Actors have the unenviable task of being the face for something that they by-and-large didn't have a lot of control over, because films are a massive team effort.
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But also the Comics Code is the reason we have superhero comics in the first place
They forced publishers to stop printing Horror comics, which was the big money maker at the time. The publishers had to pivot or go out of business and superheroes was a hail mary that worked
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I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see a like 3-second cameo from Mahersala Ali as Blade in a post-credits scene, assuming legal could work things out. He did a photoshoot in Blade-esque getup recently after all.
You could tell me the movie was going to be the lynchpin for the MCU for the next decade and I'm still 98% sure I wouldn't watch a Jared Leto as a Vampire movie.
You could tell me the movie was going to be the lynchpin for the MCU for the next decade and I'm still 98% sure I wouldn't watch a Jared Leto as a Vampire movie.
New Widow trailer looks perfectly acceptable.
If this wasnt a comic book character, specifically a MARVEL character there is zero chance i'd even give it a second glance.
So that Spider-Man poster in the background in that trailer?
It’s using the Raimi suit
Also
Michael Keaton
appears to be working at the hospital. So I doubt it’s his same character
No way. A reference to both Spidey himself and an appearance by an actor who recently played a well-liked version of a Spidey villain appearing together in the same preview? There's no way that's a coincidence. This was totally designed to be picked up on by nerds like us. I mean, they directly name drop the Spidey movies in the opening crawl. This is not an accident. This is absolutely meant to be a bridge to the MCU.
I think that’s what Sony intends, to link Morbius to the MCU through Spider-Man, but wether that works or if Disney will allow that remains to be seen.
For all we know this is just a cheap marketing trick to build hype and Keaton’s character has nothing to do with Vulture or Spider-Man.
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I think that’s what Sony intends, to link Morbius to the MCU through Spider-Man, but wether that works or if Disney will allow that remains to be seen.
For all we know this is just a cheap marketing trick to build hype and Keaton’s character has nothing to do with Vulture or Spider-Man.
I still don't buy it. If it's just meant to be a 'wink' at the audience, then why is Keaton relegated to a stinger at the end of the clip? If he's not Vulture then why the hell does that stinger matter at all? Do they expect audiences to go "OMG MICHAEL KEATON!!!!" on star power alone? I mean, if it's not Vulture, then what does Michael showing up contribute to the trailer? There's no other context given to explain who his character is aside from what the audience brings with them! Nope, not buying it, sorry. If it's a fake-out it's a stupid one and I can't imagine Marvel is cool with that.
I think that’s what Sony intends, to link Morbius to the MCU through Spider-Man, but wether that works or if Disney will allow that remains to be seen.
For all we know this is just a cheap marketing trick to build hype and Keaton’s character has nothing to do with Vulture or Spider-Man.
I still don't buy it. If it's just meant to be a 'wink' at the audience, then why is Keaton relegated to a stinger at the end of the clip? If he's not Vulture then why the hell does that stinger matter at all? Do they expect audiences to go "OMG MICHAEL KEATON!!!!" on star power alone? I mean, if it's not Vulture, then what does Michael showing up contribute to the trailer? There's no other context given to explain who his character is aside from what the audience brings with them! Nope, not buying it, sorry. If it's a fake-out it's a stupid one and I can't imagine Marvel is cool with that.
I mean, we're talking about the studio that thinks a Morbius solo movie starring Jared Leto is a good move here. There's no shortage of stupid ideas at Sony.
I think that’s what Sony intends, to link Morbius to the MCU through Spider-Man, but wether that works or if Disney will allow that remains to be seen.
For all we know this is just a cheap marketing trick to build hype and Keaton’s character has nothing to do with Vulture or Spider-Man.
I still don't buy it. If it's just meant to be a 'wink' at the audience, then why is Keaton relegated to a stinger at the end of the clip? If he's not Vulture then why the hell does that stinger matter at all? Do they expect audiences to go "OMG MICHAEL KEATON!!!!" on star power alone? I mean, if it's not Vulture, then what does Michael showing up contribute to the trailer? There's no other context given to explain who his character is aside from what the audience brings with them! Nope, not buying it, sorry. If it's a fake-out it's a stupid one and I can't imagine Marvel is cool with that.
I don’t know what to say. Trailers, especially comic book trailers, have a history of lying or blowing minor things out of proportion.
Maybe the plan all along was for a Sony/MCU crossover. Maybe it’s a marketing trick to build hype and Keaton is just a minor scene in the middle of the movie. It’s hardly the first time something like this has happened.
When Marvel confirms a crossover with Sony, I’ll believe it. Until then it’s just hype to me.
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Like them a lot, but Drow Shadow Monk for Spider-Man does not fit (Drow Shadow Monk is obviously Nightcrawler). Spider-Man is probably more Drunken Master Monk.
"From the studio that brought you Spider Man: Homecoming and Spider Man: Far From Home."
Uh-huh. Okay Sony.
Should have been Spiderverse up there if they really wanted to sell it.
But anyhow, this guy is some kind of a vampire, right? But not a classical one with magic and dark powers, but more along the lines of comic book science to explain it?
Seems like a lot of work just to have a “realistic” version of a vampire IMO.
You can blame Fredric Wertham and the Comics Code for that.
"Heyyyy, this looks like a vampire, and we banned all that horror stuff, because it was Bad for the Youth."
"No, no, he's, uh... a living vampire! Made with science! That's totally different. Really."
*suspicious sideeye* "... okay."
("You think he actually bought it?"
"Who cares, we get to make vampire comics again. Kids love that stuff.")
Morbius was created in the 70s, around the same time one of Marvel's big titles was Tomb of Dracula, so the Code had already lost a lot of influence by then.
Like that video in itself is a funny as hell joke. But jesus if this didn't hit damn near every fucking note frame for frame, right down to "unexpected cover of a classic hit", only the classic being used extra literally (I know that piano song, I'm just blanking on the actual name of it).
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
But jesus if this didn't hit damn near every fucking note frame for frame, right down to "unexpected cover of a classic hit", only the classic being used extra literally (I know that piano song, I'm just blanking on the actual name of it).
Beethoven's Fur Elise.
It's up there with Moonlight Sonata and Ode to Joy in the ubiquitous category, even though it wasn't really known till well after his death.
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No way. A reference to both Spidey himself and an appearance by an actor who recently played a well-liked version of a Spidey villain appearing together in the same preview? There's no way that's a coincidence. This was totally designed to be picked up on by nerds like us. I mean, they directly name drop the Spidey movies in the opening crawl. This is not an accident. This is absolutely meant to be a bridge to the MCU.
It's a one-way street relationship. The Sonyverse can reference stuff that happens in the MCU, but - right now - the Sonyverse characters aren't going to show up in the MCU. Spider-man is basically the only one that's allowed to go back and forth.
No way. A reference to both Spidey himself and an appearance by an actor who recently played a well-liked version of a Spidey villain appearing together in the same preview? There's no way that's a coincidence. This was totally designed to be picked up on by nerds like us. I mean, they directly name drop the Spidey movies in the opening crawl. This is not an accident. This is absolutely meant to be a bridge to the MCU.
It's a one-way street relationship. The Sonyverse can reference stuff that happens in the MCU, but - right now - the Sonyverse characters aren't going to show up in the MCU. Spider-man is basically the only one that's allowed to go back and forth.
Oh?
Are we ignoring the other posts being made about how Michael Keaton is wearing the exact same clothes he wore in Homecoming or that JK Simmons is rumored to be in this? More coincidences or intentional fan baiting?
I don't recall any such explicit references to Spidey in Venom, Raimi version or otherwise?
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Venom's fun, as is. It could have leaned harder into its weirdness - sounds like the cut scenes did this - but it is still an endearingly oddball movie about a shitty reporter and his cannibalistic parasite BFF.
So, some kind of
Bat...Man?
If there’s any hero cameo in Morbius to do an MCU tie in, I’m guessing it’s Blade at the end of the credits. Gives them a way to set up Morbius as an actual character then a showdown with Blade in his own film.
As much as this would be an excellent fan moment, I don't see Marvel letting them do that
Maybe eventually if Disney saw Sony as more of a partner. I do agree that would be an excellent way to introduce Blade.
You can blame Fredric Wertham and the Comics Code for that.
"Heyyyy, this looks like a vampire, and we banned all that horror stuff, because it was Bad for the Youth."
"No, no, he's, uh... a living vampire! Made with science! That's totally different. Really."
*suspicious sideeye* "... okay."
("You think he actually bought it?"
"Who cares, we get to make vampire comics again. Kids love that stuff.")
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IF they did this, it'd require the legal team equivalent of The Avengers working out all the particulars that Marvel fucking OWNS that character, its likeness, its use in the film, every last conceivable angle.
There's no way they'd let Sony have leverage to potentially fuck with their effort to put out a Blade movie again before it's even in production (I think I heard it's in pre-production? Maybe that has changed? Point remains)
Yeah, I know, Marvel/Disney are no saints, want Scrooge McDuck sized piles of money, that has all been hashed out, etc, etc. After the 'omg will Marvel lose Spider-Man???' SNAFU recently, I can't imagine they'll leave anything like that up to chance.
Like, the kind of contract that costs someone high up on the hierarchy their immortal soul if violated.
I think Morbius is interesting because it is an edgelord character already, so Leto's personal tastes actually do line up with the character. So it could be good enough, in the way Venom was mostly only watchable because Hardy so badly wanted to play the role and was doing a pretty good job with it.
pfft, as if anyone at that level still has theirs.
*except for Cara Delevigne
Absolutely, yes. Fucking moral panic assholes
But also the Comics Code is the reason we have superhero comics in the first place
They forced publishers to stop printing Horror comics, which was the big money maker at the time. The publishers had to pivot or go out of business and superheroes was a hail mary that worked
Yeah, but in the 50's Crime and Horror books outsold the hero comics by a lot, and nearly killed them off, if not for the CCA
Mostly as propaganda comics during WWII
Those propaganda comics featuring characters the publishers still owned was one of the reasons superheroes were greenlighted so quickly
New Widow trailer looks perfectly acceptable.
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If this wasnt a comic book character, specifically a MARVEL character there is zero chance i'd even give it a second glance.
Especially after that trailer.
No way. A reference to both Spidey himself and an appearance by an actor who recently played a well-liked version of a Spidey villain appearing together in the same preview? There's no way that's a coincidence. This was totally designed to be picked up on by nerds like us. I mean, they directly name drop the Spidey movies in the opening crawl. This is not an accident. This is absolutely meant to be a bridge to the MCU.
For all we know this is just a cheap marketing trick to build hype and Keaton’s character has nothing to do with Vulture or Spider-Man.
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I still don't buy it. If it's just meant to be a 'wink' at the audience, then why is Keaton relegated to a stinger at the end of the clip? If he's not Vulture then why the hell does that stinger matter at all? Do they expect audiences to go "OMG MICHAEL KEATON!!!!" on star power alone? I mean, if it's not Vulture, then what does Michael showing up contribute to the trailer? There's no other context given to explain who his character is aside from what the audience brings with them! Nope, not buying it, sorry. If it's a fake-out it's a stupid one and I can't imagine Marvel is cool with that.
I mean, we're talking about the studio that thinks a Morbius solo movie starring Jared Leto is a good move here. There's no shortage of stupid ideas at Sony.
now I am less interested
I don’t know what to say. Trailers, especially comic book trailers, have a history of lying or blowing minor things out of proportion.
Maybe the plan all along was for a Sony/MCU crossover. Maybe it’s a marketing trick to build hype and Keaton is just a minor scene in the middle of the movie. It’s hardly the first time something like this has happened.
When Marvel confirms a crossover with Sony, I’ll believe it. Until then it’s just hype to me.
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Like them a lot, but Drow Shadow Monk for Spider-Man does not fit (Drow Shadow Monk is obviously Nightcrawler). Spider-Man is probably more Drunken Master Monk.
Morbius was created in the 70s, around the same time one of Marvel's big titles was Tomb of Dracula, so the Code had already lost a lot of influence by then.
I feel like this statement applies to a lot more concepts than just Blade + Morbius.
Who doesn't like a good blood rave?
Like that video in itself is a funny as hell joke. But jesus if this didn't hit damn near every fucking note frame for frame, right down to "unexpected cover of a classic hit", only the classic being used extra literally (I know that piano song, I'm just blanking on the actual name of it).
The Spider-Man renegotiations may have involved allowing Sony to tie its side projects more closely to the MCU.
Beethoven's Fur Elise.
It's up there with Moonlight Sonata and Ode to Joy in the ubiquitous category, even though it wasn't really known till well after his death.
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Oh?
Are we ignoring the other posts being made about how Michael Keaton is wearing the exact same clothes he wore in Homecoming or that JK Simmons is rumored to be in this? More coincidences or intentional fan baiting?
I don't recall any such explicit references to Spidey in Venom, Raimi version or otherwise?
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