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Why are we not talking about [Legal Marijuana] in multiple states and now for Vets?

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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    So Illinois has legal weed. We went today and got some stuff. The line was insane, 2-4 hour wait. Ours was around 2 hours. We got a .5 gram cartridge for 85 dollars, 20 a gram for flower. Nabbed a few prerolled joints, two .5 joints for 20 a pop. Also some fruit gummy edibles, 100mg for 40 bucks.

    It's pricy but I'm so happy right now

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    The lines were a definite turn off. I've also been hoping that someplace relatively close will open. Time to check Google western suburbs again.

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    In my area, the lines are a lot shorter now on a weekday if you can go during daytime hours. Hard for most jobs but I always have weekdays off and usually the line is inside the store still.

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    RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Man I get upset when there's like 3 people in front of me in California lol

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Man I get upset when there's like 3 people in front of me in California lol

    Well yeah you've had it for decades and there's stores everywhere lol

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    in really, really simple terms, vaping dry herb is like sticking your food in an oven instead of heating it over an open fire

    the smaller/simpler ones basically just heat up a surface in a chamber that the plant matter is in contact with, toasting it enough to produce vapor but not hot enough to combust the material

    I guess where I'm finding confusion is that this means that the vape products exist in a form that is able to reach its evaporation point without combusting? Like if you hold a ~300F flame to an ice cube, its not going to enter a gaseous phase nearly as quickly as the terpenes/cannabinoids are.

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    They make dry herb pens like the PAX and the good ones usually let you set a temp. Lower temps doesn't burn it at all, just decarbs it. If you turn the heat into the 320s it'll start to burn.

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    in really, really simple terms, vaping dry herb is like sticking your food in an oven instead of heating it over an open fire

    the smaller/simpler ones basically just heat up a surface in a chamber that the plant matter is in contact with, toasting it enough to produce vapor but not hot enough to combust the material

    I guess where I'm finding confusion is that this means that the vape products exist in a form that is able to reach its evaporation point without combusting? Like if you hold a ~300F flame to an ice cube, its not going to enter a gaseous phase nearly as quickly as the terpenes/cannabinoids are.

    The thing, a plant isn't uniform like ice is. Ice is practically 100% H2O, so the temperatures for phase changes are very definable. A plant, on the other hand, is made up of 100s of different hydrocarbons and other molecules, each which will have their own vaporization point. Combustion is what happens when you heat the material so that, in general, the carbon and other bonds in the molecules break down and release their chemical energy. Many of the materials in the plant can be transformed into their gaseous phase without breaking down these chemical bonds.

    Also, keep in mind that if you leave out water in a container, it will evaporate because the air can hold a certain amount of moisture (humidity). And higher temps allow the air to hold more, leading to higher evaporation rates. The same is true of other materials. The time scales and temps are just different because you're dealing with a different material.

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Right, I understand the difference between phase change vs combustion. I'm just not used to thinking of solids as being able to be vaporized, but I guess in this instance its somewhat similar to those flameless candles, that just have a hot light under a dish the you put a wax puck in, and it evaporates and makes things smell nice.

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Remember that things like corn oil, olive oil, etc come from pressing oils out of plants. They aren't a pure solid. The flameless candle is a good analogy.

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    I realize that that must have been a trying experience, but its also really amusing to think of from our current situation.

    "I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."

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    SleepSleep Registered User regular
    Yeah flameless candle pretty much gets it right. It basically evaporates everything useful out of the plant and leaves desiccated, slightly seared, plant matter behind. It's fuckin wild, and blows my mind every time I do it, but that also might be happening for another reason...

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    You can use the desiccated plant remains to make budder apparently, or so I've been told.

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    You can use the desiccated plant remains to make budder apparently, or so I've been told.

    Yeah, it depends on how heavily 'roasted' you go on the herb. Back when I had a Volcano (knockoff) I would do lower temps so it wouldn't be super brown/burnt. You can also re-vape already Vaped herb, especially if you did a low temp first time. If you plan to cook with it and want a mellower flavor, def vape sub 300 degrees F°

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    RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    I had no problem buying a very expensive digital volcano years and years ago, but I can't imagine paying 249 for the pax 3 even though I often look at it.

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    KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    So Illinois has legal weed. We went today and got some stuff. The line was insane, 2-4 hour wait. Ours was around 2 hours. We got a .5 gram cartridge for 85 dollars, 20 a gram for flower. Nabbed a few prerolled joints, two .5 joints for 20 a pop. Also some fruit gummy edibles, 100mg for 40 bucks.

    It's pricy but I'm so happy right now

    6tgx0t0wm05u.png

    The lines were a definite turn off. I've also been hoping that someplace relatively close will open. Time to check Google western suburbs again.

    There's Oak Park, Naperville and North Aurora at the very least, right? And Elmwood Park, Addison, Arlington Heights and Romeoville depending on far north or south you are in the west burbs.

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    mcpmcp Registered User regular
    Ketar wrote: »
    So Illinois has legal weed. We went today and got some stuff. The line was insane, 2-4 hour wait. Ours was around 2 hours. We got a .5 gram cartridge for 85 dollars, 20 a gram for flower. Nabbed a few prerolled joints, two .5 joints for 20 a pop. Also some fruit gummy edibles, 100mg for 40 bucks.

    It's pricy but I'm so happy right now

    6tgx0t0wm05u.png

    The lines were a definite turn off. I've also been hoping that someplace relatively close will open. Time to check Google western suburbs again.

    There's Oak Park, Naperville and North Aurora at the very least, right? And Elmwood Park, Addison, Arlington Heights and Romeoville depending on far north or south you are in the west burbs.
    Naperville voted against allowing dispensaries.

    Warrenville voted for allowing 1. I don't know where the process is at approving who/where though.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

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    KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    mcp wrote: »
    Ketar wrote: »
    So Illinois has legal weed. We went today and got some stuff. The line was insane, 2-4 hour wait. Ours was around 2 hours. We got a .5 gram cartridge for 85 dollars, 20 a gram for flower. Nabbed a few prerolled joints, two .5 joints for 20 a pop. Also some fruit gummy edibles, 100mg for 40 bucks.

    It's pricy but I'm so happy right now

    6tgx0t0wm05u.png

    The lines were a definite turn off. I've also been hoping that someplace relatively close will open. Time to check Google western suburbs again.

    There's Oak Park, Naperville and North Aurora at the very least, right? And Elmwood Park, Addison, Arlington Heights and Romeoville depending on far north or south you are in the west burbs.
    Naperville voted against allowing dispensaries.

    Warrenville voted for allowing 1. I don't know where the process is at approving who/where though.

    Naperville has a medical marijuana dispensary that I thought had been grandfathered in, but yeah, just medical for them.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

    All the jobs here are federal contractor jobs :< I live in Washington, dammit, I want to enjoy some weed gummies.

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

    The terrible thing is that I'd guess if/when it gets legalized federally military and those with a clearance would still be excluded.

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    WitchsightWitchsight Registered User regular
    Here in frigid Canadia, it still doesn’t feel real to be able to have weed in your luggage and freely fly across the country.

    In my province they have Gov owned dispensaries. But the pre-rolled joints (or PRJs as we call them) are packaged in cardboard then plastic, which just feels wasteful. And it’s a very strange experience walking into a place that looks like an Apple store but sells weed.
    Like buying government recommended porn or something.

    Meanwhile there are dozens of semi-legal dispensaries popping up all over our aboriginal reservations, that are super friendly, and just have everything in lovely little cookie jars. At prices that can’t apparently be beat. It’s great!
    I havn’t been back to a Gov dispensary yet.

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    SleepSleep Registered User regular
    Witchsight wrote: »
    Here in frigid Canadia, it still doesn’t feel real to be able to have weed in your luggage and freely fly across the country.

    In my province they have Gov owned dispensaries. But the pre-rolled joints (or PRJs as we call them) are packaged in cardboard then plastic, which just feels wasteful. And it’s a very strange experience walking into a place that looks like an Apple store but sells weed.
    Like buying government recommended porn or something.

    Meanwhile there are dozens of semi-legal dispensaries popping up all over our aboriginal reservations, that are super friendly, and just have everything in lovely little cookie jars. At prices that can’t apparently be beat. It’s great!
    I havn’t been back to a Gov dispensary yet.

    I got to be in Canada right after the stores opened. Carrying weed through a security checkpoint was a fun experience.

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Witchsight wrote: »
    Here in frigid Canadia, it still doesn’t feel real to be able to have weed in your luggage and freely fly across the country.

    In my province they have Gov owned dispensaries. But the pre-rolled joints (or PRJs as we call them) are packaged in cardboard then plastic, which just feels wasteful. And it’s a very strange experience walking into a place that looks like an Apple store but sells weed.
    Like buying government recommended porn or something.

    Meanwhile there are dozens of semi-legal dispensaries popping up all over our aboriginal reservations, that are super friendly, and just have everything in lovely little cookie jars. At prices that can’t apparently be beat. It’s great!
    I havn’t been back to a Gov dispensary yet.

    I hadn't even thought of checking the rez to see if they sell weed...

    "I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."

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    KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    I'm actually kind of surprised that Canadian weed is competitively priced. From what I hear from the snowbirds, alcohol is crazy expensive compared to the US.

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Is this thread exclusively for the discussion of the legality of weed? Because I don't care about that and that's my privilege as a California resident.

    But I want to bring something up about the experience of being high on weed, which might be as boring as talking about a dream but whatever. When I try to talk to people in person about this they aren't responsive but that could be because I'm obnoxious.

    I don't feel like I have the same experience as other people. I don't get hungry or silly. What it seems to do to me is load up every sensory experience with more information. It feels like synesthesia but with emotions. It doesn't make things feel good, it makes feelings more available.

    I guess what's happening is that it's waking up the dormant unconscious part of my mind. I know this can't be that unusual of an experience, so what I want to find out is there any way to prolong this? I've never taken antidepressants, do they do this? I honestly think this is how I should feel all the time if I were a normal person. It makes me realize that I'm way too robotic when I'm not high. Like I want a lo-fi version of that experience all the time with something more stable. I don't want manic peaks and the post-high "chill".

    Hoz on
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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Hoz wrote: »
    Is this thread exclusively for the discussion of the legality of weed?

    Yes.

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    WitchsightWitchsight Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Witchsight wrote: »

    Meanwhile there are dozens of semi-legal dispensaries popping up all over our aboriginal reservations, that are super friendly, and just have everything in lovely little cookie jars. At prices that can’t apparently be beat. It’s great!
    I havn’t been back to a Gov dispensary yet.

    I hadn't even thought of checking the rez to see if they sell weed...
    They Do!
    In fact the place I frequented which had a very welcoming sign on the adjoining street, had a competitor spring directly across from them within 2 weeks. Its... kind of amazing.
    I know the Gov is doing very poorly with sales in New Brunswick, and they are trying to blame it on the original black market prices... But theyve specifically said its not the reservations that are eating up the income. I think, they might be mistaken.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

    The terrible thing is that I'd guess if/when it gets legalized federally military and those with a clearance would still be excluded.

    My sister helps manage things at a theater in Oregon. One of the unwritten rules, is that no one cares about what someone does at home, but when you show up to work, you're expected to be somber; especially, if you're a stagehand dealing with equipment. If you're not sober and dealing with equipment while be under the influence there is a huge risk of harming or killing yourself or others. I don't think I could fault the military for telling people that once they are on duty, you'll keep clean. I mean it's more or less a similar deal as the stagehands, you're handling equipment that can harm or kill if it's mishandled and the best way to lower the odds of bad shit happening, is to require people to be sober.

    I'd also argue that military would have a sound argument that people shouldn't expect to always have an open spot to partake in mind altering substances. If shit happens, you ass is suppose to react and while they can't do anything about sleep depravation, they can do stuff to try and make sure people are sober when those situations arrive. I'd be more concerned that you get a push to make sure that if someone fails the test when trying to enlist, that they get black listed. Or that people caught with possession before legalization are also black listed from serving (I'll admit this one is a bit iffy, you do have the argument that some knowingly associate with the drug dealers and that can raise flags, but you also get cases where they are having a friend or family member get it for them).

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    A duck! wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    Is this thread exclusively for the discussion of the legality of weed?

    Yes.

    Wait, it is?

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Witchsight wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    Witchsight wrote: »

    Meanwhile there are dozens of semi-legal dispensaries popping up all over our aboriginal reservations, that are super friendly, and just have everything in lovely little cookie jars. At prices that can’t apparently be beat. It’s great!
    I havn’t been back to a Gov dispensary yet.

    I hadn't even thought of checking the rez to see if they sell weed...
    They Do!
    In fact the place I frequented which had a very welcoming sign on the adjoining street, had a competitor spring directly across from them within 2 weeks. Its... kind of amazing.
    I know the Gov is doing very poorly with sales in New Brunswick, and they are trying to blame it on the original black market prices... But theyve specifically said its not the reservations that are eating up the income. I think, they might be mistaken.

    LOL I'm guessing you're in Fredericton and you're talking about Mimi's?

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Carpy wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

    The terrible thing is that I'd guess if/when it gets legalized federally military and those with a clearance would still be excluded.

    My sister helps manage things at a theater in Oregon. One of the unwritten rules, is that no one cares about what someone does at home, but when you show up to work, you're expected to be somber; especially, if you're a stagehand dealing with equipment. If you're not sober and dealing with equipment while be under the influence there is a huge risk of harming or killing yourself or others. I don't think I could fault the military for telling people that once they are on duty, you'll keep clean. I mean it's more or less a similar deal as the stagehands, you're handling equipment that can harm or kill if it's mishandled and the best way to lower the odds of bad shit happening, is to require people to be sober.

    I'd also argue that military would have a sound argument that people shouldn't expect to always have an open spot to partake in mind altering substances. If shit happens, you ass is suppose to react and while they can't do anything about sleep depravation, they can do stuff to try and make sure people are sober when those situations arrive. I'd be more concerned that you get a push to make sure that if someone fails the test when trying to enlist, that they get black listed. Or that people caught with possession before legalization are also black listed from serving (I'll admit this one is a bit iffy, you do have the argument that some knowingly associate with the drug dealers and that can raise flags, but you also get cases where they are having a friend or family member get it for them).

    This argument would make a bit more sense without the *incredible* quantities of booze those same solders can freely imbibe. Being sober on the job, sure. But s far as I can tell any situation where you'd be fine drinking you should be fine getting high?

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    Carpy wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

    The terrible thing is that I'd guess if/when it gets legalized federally military and those with a clearance would still be excluded.

    My sister helps manage things at a theater in Oregon. One of the unwritten rules, is that no one cares about what someone does at home, but when you show up to work, you're expected to be somber; especially, if you're a stagehand dealing with equipment. If you're not sober and dealing with equipment while be under the influence there is a huge risk of harming or killing yourself or others. I don't think I could fault the military for telling people that once they are on duty, you'll keep clean. I mean it's more or less a similar deal as the stagehands, you're handling equipment that can harm or kill if it's mishandled and the best way to lower the odds of bad shit happening, is to require people to be sober.

    I'd also argue that military would have a sound argument that people shouldn't expect to always have an open spot to partake in mind altering substances. If shit happens, you ass is suppose to react and while they can't do anything about sleep depravation, they can do stuff to try and make sure people are sober when those situations arrive. I'd be more concerned that you get a push to make sure that if someone fails the test when trying to enlist, that they get black listed. Or that people caught with possession before legalization are also black listed from serving (I'll admit this one is a bit iffy, you do have the argument that some knowingly associate with the drug dealers and that can raise flags, but you also get cases where they are having a friend or family member get it for them).

    This argument would make a bit more sense without the *incredible* quantities of booze those same solders can freely imbibe. Being sober on the job, sure. But s far as I can tell any situation where you'd be fine drinking you should be fine getting high?

    Not to mention the tons of opiates that get abused simply because they end up out of your system quicker. I'm pretty sure the research shows that the best approach is to educate and encourage people to use responsibly. If a surgeon can smoke pot, a soldier should be able to as well.

    I have a lot of old friends who ended up becoming hooked on nasty drugs while they worked in the oil fields simply because you could easily get nabbed for cannabis whereas cocaine, heroin, extasy, etc get out of your system much quicker.

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    HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    Hoz wrote: »
    Is this thread exclusively for the discussion of the legality of weed? Because I don't care about that and that's my privilege as a California resident.

    But I want to bring something up about the experience of being high on weed, which might be as boring as talking about a dream but whatever. When I try to talk to people in person about this they aren't responsive but that could be because I'm obnoxious.

    I don't feel like I have the same experience as other people. I don't get hungry or silly. What it seems to do to me is load up every sensory experience with more information. It feels like synesthesia but with emotions. It doesn't make things feel good, it makes feelings more available.

    I guess what's happening is that it's waking up the dormant unconscious part of my mind. I know this can't be that unusual of an experience, so what I want to find out is there any way to prolong this? I've never taken antidepressants, do they do this? I honestly think this is how I should feel all the time if I were a normal person. It makes me realize that I'm way too robotic when I'm not high. Like I want a lo-fi version of that experience all the time with something more stable. I don't want manic peaks and the post-high "chill".

    This makes me think you are stressed and weed helps you relax.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    If we're going to talk general weed experiences, it feels like 80% the time weed helps me chill out and relax, while the other 20% it makes me obsessive about shitty things in my life and bums me out. Is that normal?

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Weed is like a lot of drugs enhances whatever you're feeling at the time emotionally. So like if I'm stoned and watch a show that's sad, I'm more likely to cry when high. So if you're high it's better to be doing something you enjoy or being around people you like. Doing something stressful when high can definitely make it worse. And if you have high anxiety already, weed can both help and make things worse, depending on the person, experience, product, the person's mental/emotional state.

    That's why legal weed is so valuable so people smoking know exactly what they are getting, and can dose themselves correctly. If you have low tolerance, no need to go crazy and get mega high. You can do a mellow experience and still get a lot of the benefits

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    Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Like I'm already an introspective person but put me high in a room by myself and I'll experience ego death in like 15 minutes

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

    The terrible thing is that I'd guess if/when it gets legalized federally military and those with a clearance would still be excluded.

    Maybe the military but I doubt it. Or if they do, not for long. Not at all if it's some miracle administration that manages to achieve cheap/affordable college and healthcare.

    Clearances wouldn't be affected at all. All the government cares about is whether or not you've done something illegal or have a guilty conscience about something. I'm pretty sure most agencies would be glad for it so they'd be a bit less off putting to coders.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    Carpy wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    It's nice to be back in a civilised society up here in Washington. My dad is gonna take me to the store later, where you can just BUY pot, like an ADULT, instead of HOPING that your sister has some and is willing to share because Wyoming is stuck in the 1880s

    *sobs federally*

    The terrible thing is that I'd guess if/when it gets legalized federally military and those with a clearance would still be excluded.

    My sister helps manage things at a theater in Oregon. One of the unwritten rules, is that no one cares about what someone does at home, but when you show up to work, you're expected to be somber; especially, if you're a stagehand dealing with equipment. If you're not sober and dealing with equipment while be under the influence there is a huge risk of harming or killing yourself or others. I don't think I could fault the military for telling people that once they are on duty, you'll keep clean. I mean it's more or less a similar deal as the stagehands, you're handling equipment that can harm or kill if it's mishandled and the best way to lower the odds of bad shit happening, is to require people to be sober.

    I'd also argue that military would have a sound argument that people shouldn't expect to always have an open spot to partake in mind altering substances. If shit happens, you ass is suppose to react and while they can't do anything about sleep depravation, they can do stuff to try and make sure people are sober when those situations arrive. I'd be more concerned that you get a push to make sure that if someone fails the test when trying to enlist, that they get black listed. Or that people caught with possession before legalization are also black listed from serving (I'll admit this one is a bit iffy, you do have the argument that some knowingly associate with the drug dealers and that can raise flags, but you also get cases where they are having a friend or family member get it for them).

    This argument would make a bit more sense without the *incredible* quantities of booze those same solders can freely imbibe. Being sober on the job, sure. But s far as I can tell any situation where you'd be fine drinking you should be fine getting high?

    I agree, and I'm optimistic it'd be seen that way.

    On the other hand, the Navy's reasoning for no beards is in case we have to fight a fire on a ship, regardless of whether we're on a ship or even hundreds of miles from the ocean.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Eh, based on what my brother has told me when he was in the marines. There is a fairly large black market on most bases, where people figure out how to sneak shit past that they really shouldn't have. So chances are pretty good if you find someone blitz off their ass, it wasn't booze that the base commander gave them free access to, it was either snuck or in the worse case scenario some vile moonshine that someone cooked up in a bucket hidden somewhere.

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