Steph is the Maynard Ferguson of long three point shooters
I'll allow this, only if Curry can bust out a double high-C in the ornamentation section of Chameleon.
I have a degree in hitting a double high-C (seriously, my degree is in jazz trumpet, focused more on “heavy metal” trumpeting)
The difficulty is doing it 7 times in a song at 916 decibels
You're a man after my dad's heart. He is a hell of the player himself.
Growing up I'd watch/hear him going note for note on Maynard, Al Hirt, and Gillespie. Triple tounging is pretty much his only major weakness, so he'd be a tad sloppy trying to keep up with the likes of Severinsen, Mendez, or Sandoval.
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Also - this discussion is about his impact on the game, which is a different question than overall talent. Just like I think he is no question the most influential player of this generation, I think LeBron is no question the best player of the generation. (And he himself is probably #2 in the influence rankings, for reasons more to do with the power of individual players within a franchise and their ability to more directly control their own careers.)
I mean, the article you are quoting is mostly about Lillard. In fact it points out Lillard was taking more deep threes than Curry, before the Curry show really took off (2013-14). So I guess Lillard is really the one who changed the game.
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I think Curry just exacerbated the general trend of more floor spacing and three point shooting. Of course he is not single handedly responsible for changing the game, but he is the poster boy for the change that happened.
Watched an interview with Shaq yesterday, where he said people started to drift away from the paint because of his physicality. That is why you have all those forwards and centers shooting jumpers instead of going into the post.
This was pretty interesting. And I agree. If you are a big man in the NBA, this is the best time to start dominating in the paint, because teams and defenses are so keyed in to perimeter defense and shooting.
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The difference between Shaq and Steph is that you have no chance in hell of believing that you can do what Shaq did unless you, too, were 7' tall and 300+ lbs of freak athleticism. People might have gravitated away from the paint when they played against Shaq (something I'd say only happened when he faced mediocre competition), but when they weren't playing against him the other 95% of the time then they played normally. Shaq only changed the game when he was actually playing in it.
Steph looks like some guy who plays at the Y. He definitely has a leg up both in the nature and nurture departments, but he looks like a normal dude. And that makes him much more aspirational as a player. There is literally an entire generation of kids out there shooting 3's as soon as they can chuck a basketball, and that's going to drastically change how the game will be played over the long term.
The 3-point shot was more valuable than nearly every other shot since its inception, and yet it was never taken seriously as as thing until Steph started launching the ball from near half-court with 40% accuracy and forced everyone to recognize its value. People used to treat basketball as an inside-out game. Now it is very much an outside-in game. There are players now would've dominated 20 years ago at the C/PF who are now barely staying in the league because they can't shoot the 3 and aren't fast enough to switch or defend against it from the paint.
Jokic i think represents the evolution from Shaq-ball
Instead of using his giant size to bully his way to a 60% post attempt, he threatens it and moves the D around to account for the possibility, but then passes out to an 65% rim attempt for a team mate or a 40% 3 attempt
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It's a fallacy to say that all of these big men shooting threes will open an opportunity for someone to dominate in the paint. It just will not happen.
Shaq, at his peak, averaged 58% FG%.
To match 58% on 2s, you only need to shoot 38% on 3s.
There are 62 players in the league who are shooting that well or better this season.
In the 2000 season, only 13 players even shot above 50%, let alone 58%. To match 50%, you only have to shoot 33% from 3.
The idea that there's all this efficient scoring just waiting for a big man to step up and claim them in the paint is crazy.
Steph (and the rest of that first warriors title team) 'changed the game' in the sense that they were the acid test of an idea that lots of people probably had but few were capitalizing on
when the inevitable rule change to making 3s more difficult or less frequent happens the Curry Warriors will absolutely be exhibit A; the bad boy Pistons didn't invent hand checking, either
it was the smallest on the list but
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It's a fallacy to say that all of these big men shooting threes will open an opportunity for someone to dominate in the paint. It just will not happen.
Shaq, at his peak, averaged 58% FG%.
To match 58% on 2s, you only need to shoot 38% on 3s.
There are 62 players in the league who are shooting that well or better this season.
In the 2000 season, only 13 players even shot above 50%, let alone 58%. To match 50%, you only have to shoot 33% from 3.
The idea that there's all this efficient scoring just waiting for a big man to step up and claim them in the paint is crazy.
Fouls and true shooting come into play here as well, but in general yeah, you only have to hit something like 33% of your 3-pointers to make it a shot worth taking.
It's a fallacy to say that all of these big men shooting threes will open an opportunity for someone to dominate in the paint. It just will not happen.
Shaq, at his peak, averaged 58% FG%.
To match 58% on 2s, you only need to shoot 38% on 3s.
There are 62 players in the league who are shooting that well or better this season.
In the 2000 season, only 13 players even shot above 50%, let alone 58%. To match 50%, you only have to shoot 33% from 3.
The idea that there's all this efficient scoring just waiting for a big man to step up and claim them in the paint is crazy.
Fouls and true shooting come into play here as well, but in general yeah, you only have to hit something like 33% of your 3-pointers to make it a shot worth taking.
It also makes your team streaky though. Variance is probably higher game to game for the tougher 3 pt shot, and the point loss for shooting worse is heavier. So you have games where you shoot better than your average and look unbeatable. And games where you shoot worse and look like idiots chucking bricks.
There’s something to be said for reliability. Which is why I think the warriors were better when KD was eating up potential long balls with his inside game, even if the analytics say they were less useful possessions.
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It also makes your team streaky though. Variance is probably higher game to game for the tougher 3 pt shot, and the point loss for shooting worse is heavier. So you have games where you shoot better than your average and look unbeatable. And games where you shoot worse and look like idiots chucking bricks.
There’s something to be said for reliability. Which is why I think the warriors were better when KD was eating up potential long balls with his inside game, even if the analytics say they were less useful possessions.
It also makes your team streaky though. Variance is probably higher game to game for the tougher 3 pt shot, and the point loss for shooting worse is heavier. So you have games where you shoot better than your average and look unbeatable. And games where you shoot worse and look like idiots chucking bricks.
There’s something to be said for reliability. Which is why I think the warriors were better when KD was eating up potential long balls with his inside game, even if the analytics say they were less useful possessions.
Which you solve by increasing your volume.
Well there is a volume limit. And NBA pace of play is pretty quick as it is. It can increase but not all that much realisticaly. Not over an entire season. And certainly not without impacting 3pt percentages.
Its also counterable as opponents can reduce pace of play to increase variance. (Something you should do against a team that is both better than you and also shoots more threes than you do)
I wasn't a fan of the man off the court, but no matter my personal feelings towards Kobe, this turn of events sucks balls for his family and the families of the other 4 people that died.
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I have a degree in hitting a double high-C (seriously, my degree is in jazz trumpet, focused more on “heavy metal” trumpeting)
The difficulty is doing it 7 times in a song at 916 decibels
You're a man after my dad's heart. He is a hell of the player himself.
Growing up I'd watch/hear him going note for note on Maynard, Al Hirt, and Gillespie. Triple tounging is pretty much his only major weakness, so he'd be a tad sloppy trying to keep up with the likes of Severinsen, Mendez, or Sandoval.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
I mean, the article you are quoting is mostly about Lillard. In fact it points out Lillard was taking more deep threes than Curry, before the Curry show really took off (2013-14). So I guess Lillard is really the one who changed the game.
20 threes in 15 game minutes 8-)
These refs need to go to a different era harrumph
the Nets home court paint job make me think my TV is broken
Watched an interview with Shaq yesterday, where he said people started to drift away from the paint because of his physicality. That is why you have all those forwards and centers shooting jumpers instead of going into the post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mFqvJNwXVA
This was pretty interesting. And I agree. If you are a big man in the NBA, this is the best time to start dominating in the paint, because teams and defenses are so keyed in to perimeter defense and shooting.
Steph looks like some guy who plays at the Y. He definitely has a leg up both in the nature and nurture departments, but he looks like a normal dude. And that makes him much more aspirational as a player. There is literally an entire generation of kids out there shooting 3's as soon as they can chuck a basketball, and that's going to drastically change how the game will be played over the long term.
The 3-point shot was more valuable than nearly every other shot since its inception, and yet it was never taken seriously as as thing until Steph started launching the ball from near half-court with 40% accuracy and forced everyone to recognize its value. People used to treat basketball as an inside-out game. Now it is very much an outside-in game. There are players now would've dominated 20 years ago at the C/PF who are now barely staying in the league because they can't shoot the 3 and aren't fast enough to switch or defend against it from the paint.
Instead of using his giant size to bully his way to a 60% post attempt, he threatens it and moves the D around to account for the possibility, but then passes out to an 65% rim attempt for a team mate or a 40% 3 attempt
Shaq, at his peak, averaged 58% FG%.
To match 58% on 2s, you only need to shoot 38% on 3s.
There are 62 players in the league who are shooting that well or better this season.
In the 2000 season, only 13 players even shot above 50%, let alone 58%. To match 50%, you only have to shoot 33% from 3.
The idea that there's all this efficient scoring just waiting for a big man to step up and claim them in the paint is crazy.
when the inevitable rule change to making 3s more difficult or less frequent happens the Curry Warriors will absolutely be exhibit A; the bad boy Pistons didn't invent hand checking, either
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Fouls and true shooting come into play here as well, but in general yeah, you only have to hit something like 33% of your 3-pointers to make it a shot worth taking.
It also makes your team streaky though. Variance is probably higher game to game for the tougher 3 pt shot, and the point loss for shooting worse is heavier. So you have games where you shoot better than your average and look unbeatable. And games where you shoot worse and look like idiots chucking bricks.
There’s something to be said for reliability. Which is why I think the warriors were better when KD was eating up potential long balls with his inside game, even if the analytics say they were less useful possessions.
Which you solve by increasing your volume.
Well there is a volume limit. And NBA pace of play is pretty quick as it is. It can increase but not all that much realisticaly. Not over an entire season. And certainly not without impacting 3pt percentages.
Its also counterable as opponents can reduce pace of play to increase variance. (Something you should do against a team that is both better than you and also shoots more threes than you do)
Yeah, it just hit my newsfeed. Helo crash just outside LA with 4 others on board.
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Thus far 2020 is just shit.
I wasn't a fan of the man off the court, but no matter my personal feelings towards Kobe, this turn of events sucks balls for his family and the families of the other 4 people that died.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Holy shit
Also apparently Rick Fox
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This is confirmed fake news.
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I hope that's not true. Didn't he just have a daughter recently as well?
Yeah, last summer. Gigi (the 13 year old) is a star in the amateur and prep school circuits.
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Apparently they were on their way to one of her practices.
Damn, damn, damn.