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US Immigration Policy - ICE still the worst, acting in open defiance of orders given.

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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Nah, he probably took it out of something nobody in the military needs, like the medical services or retirement.

    ... or fixing the mold problems in on-base housing.

  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Nah, he probably took it out of something nobody in the military needs, like the medical services or retirement.

    ... or fixing the mold problems in on-base housing.

    Eh, what's the worst that could happen, someone gets a headache?

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  • Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    New York Times: Border Patrol Will Deploy Elite Tactical Agents to Sanctuary Cities

    Yet another "Oh shit" moment caused by an unchained Trump.

  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    Well that sounds ominous.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    New York Times: Border Patrol Will Deploy Elite Tactical Agents to Sanctuary Cities

    Yet another "Oh shit" moment caused by an unchained Trump.

    I wonder when they're gonna start simply murdering people they think are illegals

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  • MeeqeMeeqe Lord of the pants most fancy Someplace amazingRegistered User regular
    Approximately 2 years ago.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Meeqe wrote: »
    Approximately 2 years ago.

    Well, the concentration camp murder had started, but Gestapo wasn't running around murdering people in the streets in broad daylight yet.

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  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Meeqe wrote: »
    Approximately 2 years ago.

    Well, the concentration camp murder had started, but Gestapo wasn't running around murdering people in the streets in broad daylight yet.

    Yeah, murdering unarmed people in the streets is the police's job.

    Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2020
    What gets my goat is that they are purporting to penalize localities and justify it simply by them not wanting to spend resources doing the federal government's job for them.

    It would be like suing a city because it refused to perform the census. Not for blocking census workers or something, but just for not spending the resources and manhours to perform the census itself. Because of course a city or state isn't going to do that; it isn't their responsibility and they have more pressing issues to attend to.

    I don't know how someone can profess to be conservative and then be totally okay with such a heavy hand by the federal government. I mean I do get it, they're being completely hypocritical. But this whole mess is just astounding.

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular

    Yeah, murdering unarmed people in the streets is the police's job.

    Why do you think the cops wanted ICE to stop wearing the POLICE badge on their stuff.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    What gets my goat is that they are purporting to penalize localities and justify it simply by them not wanting to spend resources doing the federal government's job for them.

    It would be like suing a city because it refused to perform the census. Not for blocking census workers or something, but just for not spending the resources and manhours to perform the census itself. Because of course a city or state isn't going to do that; it isn't their responsibility and they have more pressing issues to attend to.

    I don't know how someone can profess to be conservative and then be totally okay with such a heavy hand by the federal government. I mean I do get it, they're being completely hypocritical. But this whole mess is just astounding.

    Conservatives have never cared about states rights.

  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2020
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    What gets my goat is that they are purporting to penalize localities and justify it simply by them not wanting to spend resources doing the federal government's job for them.

    It would be like suing a city because it refused to perform the census. Not for blocking census workers or something, but just for not spending the resources and manhours to perform the census itself. Because of course a city or state isn't going to do that; it isn't their responsibility and they have more pressing issues to attend to.

    I don't know how someone can profess to be conservative and then be totally okay with such a heavy hand by the federal government. I mean I do get it, they're being completely hypocritical. But this whole mess is just astounding.

    Conservatives have never cared about states rights.

    If there's one thing that has been driven home to me in the past few years, is that my definition of that term, and the way most people who continue to self describe as such seem to define it, are almost completely different.

    EDIT: I'm talking about "conservative" not "state's rights". The latter term is super loaded and I refuse to use it in a sentence because it is basically a dogwhistle. I prefer to say "Municipal Autonomy" because I care more about the state staying out of the city's business than I care about the feds staying out of the state's business... though in the end I care about both quite a bit.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    "States rights" has always been a euphemism for "we should be able to oppress those we don't like regardless of what you say."

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    "States rights" has always been a euphemism for "we should be able to oppress those we don't like regardless of what you say."

    It basically comes down to the desire for a pyramidal power structure where they happen to be on the upper half.

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Okay, going to cut slightly against the thrust of the thread here. This is the point of sanctuary cities. Local law enforcement will not spend money doing immigration enforcement, so the natural step would be for the federal government to do their own jobs, which will mean more funding for enforcement in those cities.

    Now, sending in the task force intended to deal with smugglers is a misappropriation of resources, and that also doesn't forgive other tactics used (going into courthouses, etc), but like... sending more enforcers to those areas is the EXPECTED reaction to local police not policing federal immigration laws.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

    It also doesn't prevent the deportation of convicted violent criminals. It mostly just makes traffic stops and witness reports easier because people don't have to worry about losing their livelihood if they interact with a beat cop.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

    It also doesn't prevent the deportation of convicted violent criminals. It mostly just makes traffic stops and witness reports easier because people don't have to worry about losing their livelihood if they interact with a bear cop.

    I realize you probably meant to type "beat cop", but that is one heck of an image.

  • Giggles_FunsworthGiggles_Funsworth Blight on Discourse Bay Area SprawlRegistered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

    It also doesn't prevent the deportation of convicted violent criminals. It mostly just makes traffic stops and witness reports easier because people don't have to worry about losing their livelihood if they interact with a bear cop.

    I realize you probably meant to type "beat cop", but that is one heck of an image.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    The US to begin using SWAT teams for routine deportations.

    New York Times reporter:

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    The US to begin using SWAT teams for routine deportations.

    New York Times reporter:

    Totally normal behavior here. Just go on your way, citizen. Nothing to see. ICE is your friend. You will report any communists or socialists. Stay away from foreign nationals. They will infect you.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    When do the inevitable shootouts between ICE and local police because one pulled a gun on the other?

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    When the local cop is not white

    Possibly plainclothes

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    You know what? I'm beginning to think that this Administration might not be completely sincere about it's immigration policy.


    ""We are desperate -- desperate -- for more people," Mulvaney said during private speech in London. "We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.” w/@nickmiroff:"
    *link to a WaPo article*
    - Josh Dawsey (and Nick Miroff) is a reporter for the Washington Post.

    Seems like they're NOT opposed to all immigration. Just certain types of immigration. From certain countries.

    If I didn't know any better, I'd think that this Administration is a touch racist.

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    You know what? I'm beginning to think that this Administration might not be completely sincere about it's immigration policy.


    ""We are desperate -- desperate -- for more people," Mulvaney said during private speech in London. "We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.” w/@nickmiroff:"
    *link to a WaPo article*
    - Josh Dawsey (and Nick Miroff) is a reporter for the Washington Post.

    Seems like they're NOT opposed to all immigration. Just certain types of immigration. From certain countries.

    If I didn't know any better, I'd think that this Administration is a touch racist.

    Except they've cut legal immigration, even for the 'right' kind of people, waaaaaaay down too, so, no. They really are just xenophobic dickweeds.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    Is there audio? Please tell me there's audio.

  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    You know what? I'm beginning to think that this Administration might not be completely sincere about it's immigration policy.


    ""We are desperate -- desperate -- for more people," Mulvaney said during private speech in London. "We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.” w/@nickmiroff:"
    *link to a WaPo article*
    - Josh Dawsey (and Nick Miroff) is a reporter for the Washington Post.

    Seems like they're NOT opposed to all immigration. Just certain types of immigration. From certain countries.

    If I didn't know any better, I'd think that this Administration is a touch racist.

    I just can't imagine why immigration might be down over the last four years. What could possibly have caused that?????

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    https://www.newsweek.com/judge-says-conditions-us-border-holding-cells-violated-constitution-monumental-ruling-1488281
    A federal judge in Arizona has ruled that conditions at U.S. border holding cells operated by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency violated the Constitution.

    In a case first launched in 2015 over conditions at Tucson sector holding facilities, U.S. District Judge David Bury said on Wednesday that the conditions migrants and asylum seekers have had to face under CBP custody have been "substantially worse than detainees face upon commitment to either a civil immigration detention facility or even a criminal detention facility, like a jail or prison."

    "The Court finds that the conditions of detention in CBP holding cells, especially those that preclude sleep over several nights, are presumptively punitive and violate the Constitution," he said.

    The court, Bury noted, heard how plaintiffs complained of overcrowding, with cold, hard concrete floors and bench surfaces, cold temperatures, no blankets or mats and unsanitary cell conditions, precluding sleeping.

    It also heard that cell conditions were unsanitary, with a lack of waste receptacles, "insufficient housekeeping," a lack of personal hygiene products and shower facilities, as well as insufficient access to food and water.

    Bury also said the court was concerned about the lack of a universal medical questionnaire designed by medical professionals, particularly since medical screenings were being "performed by agents without any medical training."

    Noting that migrants and asylum seekers had been held in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions for longer than 12 hours, Bury said CBP was not to hold migrants and asylum seekers for more than 48 hours at its Tucson sector going forward.

    Condemning CBP for allowing migrants and asylum seekers to be forced to sleep in bathrooms in overcrowded holding areas, Bury said the practice was "unsanitary and degrading" and banned CBP from allowing it to happen again.

    "The evidence is undisputed that conditions of confinement at Tucson Sector CBP stations are substantially worse than conditions afforded criminal detainees at the Santa Cruz County jail or other jail facilities, where detainees are medically screened by medical professionals; have a bed with cloth sheets, blankets, and pillows, and an opportunity for uninterrupted sleep; have clean clothing, including second layers for warmth; showers, toothbrushes and toothpaste, and warm meals with a variety of food choices, including fruits and vegetables, accommodating food allergies and religious beliefs," Bury wrote.

    "Likewise, the conditions of confinement for civil immigration detainees similarly improve once they are transferred from CBP holding cells to detention centers operated by the United States Marshals, ICE, ERO, Health and Human Services (HHS), and other immigration detention agencies and organization," he said.

    The conditions at Tucson Sector facilities, he said, fail to meet the same standards. As such, he said, "there is a presumption that the conditions of extended confinement at the Tucson Sector facilities violate the Plaintiffs' constitutional rights."

    Note this isn't all detention centers, it's one specifically egregious case where the judge basically said "this is so bad, you either need to get them out of those conditions within 48 hours or let them go at the end of that time." However, it's also precedent that "worse than prison is violating the Constitution," at least.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    Jragghen wrote: »
    https://www.newsweek.com/judge-says-conditions-us-border-holding-cells-violated-constitution-monumental-ruling-1488281
    A federal judge in Arizona has ruled that conditions at U.S. border holding cells operated by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency violated the Constitution.

    In a case first launched in 2015 over conditions at Tucson sector holding facilities, U.S. District Judge David Bury said on Wednesday that the conditions migrants and asylum seekers have had to face under CBP custody have been "substantially worse than detainees face upon commitment to either a civil immigration detention facility or even a criminal detention facility, like a jail or prison."

    "The Court finds that the conditions of detention in CBP holding cells, especially those that preclude sleep over several nights, are presumptively punitive and violate the Constitution," he said.

    The court, Bury noted, heard how plaintiffs complained of overcrowding, with cold, hard concrete floors and bench surfaces, cold temperatures, no blankets or mats and unsanitary cell conditions, precluding sleeping.

    It also heard that cell conditions were unsanitary, with a lack of waste receptacles, "insufficient housekeeping," a lack of personal hygiene products and shower facilities, as well as insufficient access to food and water.

    Bury also said the court was concerned about the lack of a universal medical questionnaire designed by medical professionals, particularly since medical screenings were being "performed by agents without any medical training."

    Noting that migrants and asylum seekers had been held in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions for longer than 12 hours, Bury said CBP was not to hold migrants and asylum seekers for more than 48 hours at its Tucson sector going forward.

    Condemning CBP for allowing migrants and asylum seekers to be forced to sleep in bathrooms in overcrowded holding areas, Bury said the practice was "unsanitary and degrading" and banned CBP from allowing it to happen again.

    "The evidence is undisputed that conditions of confinement at Tucson Sector CBP stations are substantially worse than conditions afforded criminal detainees at the Santa Cruz County jail or other jail facilities, where detainees are medically screened by medical professionals; have a bed with cloth sheets, blankets, and pillows, and an opportunity for uninterrupted sleep; have clean clothing, including second layers for warmth; showers, toothbrushes and toothpaste, and warm meals with a variety of food choices, including fruits and vegetables, accommodating food allergies and religious beliefs," Bury wrote.

    "Likewise, the conditions of confinement for civil immigration detainees similarly improve once they are transferred from CBP holding cells to detention centers operated by the United States Marshals, ICE, ERO, Health and Human Services (HHS), and other immigration detention agencies and organization," he said.

    The conditions at Tucson Sector facilities, he said, fail to meet the same standards. As such, he said, "there is a presumption that the conditions of extended confinement at the Tucson Sector facilities violate the Plaintiffs' constitutional rights."

    Note this isn't all detention centers, it's one specifically egregious case where the judge basically said "this is so bad, you either need to get them out of those conditions within 48 hours or let them go at the end of that time." However, it's also precedent that "worse than prison is violating the Constitution," at least.

    That's good for now, but that precedent will never last past the Supreme Court.

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  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 2020
    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

    ... but not their generation, so fuck everyone who comes after them, right?

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

    ... but not their generation, so fuck everyone who comes after them, right?

    It will be their generation, as they go into the understaffed nursing homes in a few years and are left to sit hopelessly in filth as there are not enough workers to tend to them.

  • RaijuRaiju Shoganai JapanRegistered User regular
    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

    ... but not their generation, so fuck everyone who comes after them, right?

    It will be their generation, as they go into the understaffed nursing homes in a few years and are left to sit hopelessly in filth as there are not enough workers to tend to them.

    The rich ones certainly have nothing to worry about. The middle class and poor Trumpers can just crap into their MAGA hats when their Depends undergarments start overflowing, I guess, all the while refusing to accept any blame for their part in the labor shortage.

  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    https://www.newsweek.com/judge-says-conditions-us-border-holding-cells-violated-constitution-monumental-ruling-1488281
    A federal judge in Arizona has ruled that conditions at U.S. border holding cells operated by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency violated the Constitution.

    In a case first launched in 2015 over conditions at Tucson sector holding facilities, U.S. District Judge David Bury said on Wednesday that the conditions migrants and asylum seekers have had to face under CBP custody have been "substantially worse than detainees face upon commitment to either a civil immigration detention facility or even a criminal detention facility, like a jail or prison."

    "The Court finds that the conditions of detention in CBP holding cells, especially those that preclude sleep over several nights, are presumptively punitive and violate the Constitution," he said.

    The court, Bury noted, heard how plaintiffs complained of overcrowding, with cold, hard concrete floors and bench surfaces, cold temperatures, no blankets or mats and unsanitary cell conditions, precluding sleeping.

    It also heard that cell conditions were unsanitary, with a lack of waste receptacles, "insufficient housekeeping," a lack of personal hygiene products and shower facilities, as well as insufficient access to food and water.

    Bury also said the court was concerned about the lack of a universal medical questionnaire designed by medical professionals, particularly since medical screenings were being "performed by agents without any medical training."

    Noting that migrants and asylum seekers had been held in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions for longer than 12 hours, Bury said CBP was not to hold migrants and asylum seekers for more than 48 hours at its Tucson sector going forward.

    Condemning CBP for allowing migrants and asylum seekers to be forced to sleep in bathrooms in overcrowded holding areas, Bury said the practice was "unsanitary and degrading" and banned CBP from allowing it to happen again.

    "The evidence is undisputed that conditions of confinement at Tucson Sector CBP stations are substantially worse than conditions afforded criminal detainees at the Santa Cruz County jail or other jail facilities, where detainees are medically screened by medical professionals; have a bed with cloth sheets, blankets, and pillows, and an opportunity for uninterrupted sleep; have clean clothing, including second layers for warmth; showers, toothbrushes and toothpaste, and warm meals with a variety of food choices, including fruits and vegetables, accommodating food allergies and religious beliefs," Bury wrote.

    "Likewise, the conditions of confinement for civil immigration detainees similarly improve once they are transferred from CBP holding cells to detention centers operated by the United States Marshals, ICE, ERO, Health and Human Services (HHS), and other immigration detention agencies and organization," he said.

    The conditions at Tucson Sector facilities, he said, fail to meet the same standards. As such, he said, "there is a presumption that the conditions of extended confinement at the Tucson Sector facilities violate the Plaintiffs' constitutional rights."

    Note this isn't all detention centers, it's one specifically egregious case where the judge basically said "this is so bad, you either need to get them out of those conditions within 48 hours or let them go at the end of that time." However, it's also precedent that "worse than prison is violating the Constitution," at least.

    I find it especially distressing that this is a case from 2015, not even part of the new wave of Trump-endorsed abuses.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/02/how-stephen-miller-manipulates-donald-trump-to-further-his-immigration-obsession
    On January 11, 2018, Trump summoned Dick Durbin, a Democratic senator from Illinois, and Lindsey Graham, from South Carolina, to the White House so that they could explain the terms of a bipartisan deal they’d reached. It would offer a path to citizenship for daca recipients in exchange for increased border security and enforcement measures. The President told the senators that he was ready to back their plan. But, two hours later, when they entered the Oval Office, they found that they were not alone. Miller had invited a group of far-right Republicans—including Tom Cotton and David Perdue, the sponsors of a bill to cut legal immigration in half—to join them. The “fix is in,” Durbin told an aide. When Graham brought up Haitian immigrants, while explaining an aspect of the agreement, Trump asked, “Why would we want all these people from shithole countries?” He now refused to endorse the deal he had supported that morning.

    In the weeks that followed, whenever Trump responded positively to an overture by Democrats, Miller interceded. “Whoever has access to the President last—that’s what sticks,” a White House official told me. “Miller always made sure he was that person.” Graham said, “As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we’re going nowhere.”
    Miller had ideas of his own. In 2013, during the unaccompanied-minors crisis, an official at ice had suggested separating parents and children once they reached the border, in the hope of deterring other families from travelling north. The White House had dismissed the proposal as inhumane, but Miller took it up again. “He was obsessed with the idea of consequences,” a top D.H.S. official who worked with Miller at the time told me. “He’d always say to us, ‘They are breaking the law, and the only way we’ll change that is if there’s a consequence.’ ” The consequences were specific. The official said, “Miller made clear to us that, if you start to treat children badly enough, you’ll be able to convince other parents to stop trying to come with theirs.” Miller had already led a meeting at the White House to pressure D.O.J. officials to prosecute border crossers as criminals. (Doing so was the basis for separating families: while parents faced criminal charges, their children were treated as unaccompanied minors.) In April, he and Hamilton wrote a Presidential memorandum directing agencies to end catch and release; they also composed a letter, signed by Attorney General Sessions, articulating a policy, called zero tolerance, for prosecuting all adults who were arrested by D.H.S. for illegal entry.

    Sessions announced the new policy at a gathering of law-enforcement officials in Arizona, saying that if parents were caught “smuggling” their children into the country they’d be separated from them and treated as criminals. The head of Customs and Border Protection, Kevin McAleenan, and the head of ice, Tom Homan, signed off on zero tolerance, as did Nielsen. Miller, however, forced the policy into action before D.H.S. was ready to implement it. When border agents began separating families, the Administration hadn’t yet made plans to reunite them, a direct result of “the pressure he brought to bear,” a top D.H.S. official said. By late June, more than twenty-five hundred children, including a hundred and two under the age of five, had been separated from their parents, many of whom didn’t know where the government had taken them. In an ice detention center in El Paso, groups of separated mothers secretly exchanged information in the cafeteria to compile lists of their missing children and smuggle out requests to local lawyers for help.
    According to a D.H.S. official who worked closely with Miller, as “the problems got more complex, and as the frustrations mounted,” his behavior became erratic. At meetings, he would ask for data that were irrelevant to the discussion, then launch into a monologue. Another D.H.S. official said, “You didn’t know which Stephen you were going to get. He could be very articulate, then he’d be quoting Breitbart in a diatribe. It was all over the place.” His policy ideas were often impracticable or unrelated to the issue under discussion. He wanted the department to house all migrants at Guantánamo Bay, and the F.B.I. to conduct immigration arrests. One official told me, “It got tedious. None of it would solve the problem we had. And, at the end of the operations he was pushing, the question would just be: Are you going to have something meaningful and sustainable that isn’t just a sharp elbow?”
    With the border virtually sealed, Miller is turning his attention inward. D.H.S. has begun sending armed agents from Border Patrol swat teams to New York, Chicago, and other so-called sanctuary cities, where local law enforcement has limited its coöperation with ice. “There’s no one left at D.H.S. to say ‘No’ to Miller anymore,” a senior department official told me. Another official was present at a meeting in which Miller advocated allowing ice officers to pull children out of school.

    This summer, months before the election, the Supreme Court is expected to rule on whether the Administration can cancel daca. “Everything—everything!—hinges on that decision,” a former senior D.H.S. official told me. If the Supreme Court ends daca, then “Miller will be in ecstasy. He’ll finally have the leverage over the Democratic Congress that he’s been dying to have this entire time. He’ll say, ‘Well, you’re all worried we’re going to deport them. What will you agree to?’ ” The official continued, “It’ll be the summer of a huge campaign, and Miller will be in his glory.”
    For me the biggest difference between Trump's immigration policies and anything Obama did is the desire to hurt people, including innocents, as much as possible because the cruelty might dissuade them.

    Cruelty is not the result of not caring or being unable or unwilling to dedicate sufficient resources to an issue. It is the entire point.

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  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    I'm wondering what the hell Miller is expecting from the court. They aren't going to rule that DACA is illegal, nor are they going to rule that there is no path to ending DACA. If they hadn't used this flimsy excuse to start with and just drafted a slightly better once, DACA would be gone by now. But then Miller doesn't sound like the type to understand law in the first place.

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    I'm wondering what the hell Miller is expecting from the court. They aren't going to rule that DACA is illegal, nor are they going to rule that there is no path to ending DACA. If they hadn't used this flimsy excuse to start with and just drafted a slightly better once, DACA would be gone by now. But then Miller doesn't sound like the type to understand law in the first place.

    Be thankful of the small miracle that is this Administration's incompetence outweighing it's corruption and cruelty, or there'd be zero chance (rather than the slim to maybe) of unfucking the country.

    I mean, admittedly, it doesn't feel great to see the damage they're doing while being this incompetent. But it's better that it's Three Stooges than Ozymandias playing with the levers of power.

  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    I'm wondering what the hell Miller is expecting from the court. They aren't going to rule that DACA is illegal, nor are they going to rule that there is no path to ending DACA. If they hadn't used this flimsy excuse to start with and just drafted a slightly better once, DACA would be gone by now. But then Miller doesn't sound like the type to understand law in the first place.

    He's likely hoping that either Trump will continue impersonating his favorite president by ignoring the judiciary, or hoping that it'll kick off another "evil unelected judges are letting terrorists attend your kid's schools!" moral panic.

    I mean, dude's a white-supremacist cryptofascist; he was never seriously planning on working with the system.

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Well, this is horrifying.
    (Economist reporter)
    A 5-4 conservative split in a major immigration case, Hernandez v. Mesa. Court rules that a US border-patrol agent cannot be held to account for killing a Mexican boy at play across the southern border.

    A border patrol agent killed a Mexican kid in Mexico because he was playing near the border. The Conservative judges have declared that the rule of the land is that there is no accountability period for border patrol agents who shoot people so long as the person they shoot is in Mexico. RBG in particular disagrees strenuously.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    wonderful

    I wonder how those same justices would feel if mexico adopted that policy

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