Dune 2 is uh... tough to get through nowadays. But what an innovation.
I still love it though, one of my favorite games of all time. There have been many ports with improvements, like adding infinite mouse select and even multiplayer, but yeah, unless you grew up with it I don't see it appealing to many newcomers.
Dune Dynasty is probably one of the best ones I've encountered. Faithful to the original game, adds improvements, and even Skirmish modes 'n such.
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I remember warcraft 1 only letting you select... 4? units at a time?
that was really something
I'm having trouble remembering but I *think* this was patched (one way or the other, I forget which way they went with it). I know at some point you could literally select every unit (though it would only display four icons selected)
Now that Reforged is out and has its own thread, I really feel like we need a title change or a new thread. This has been just the general Blizzard thread for a long time.
tl;dr, I would say this patch at least puts the game in a state where it is not an embarrassingly awful mess, fixing some, perhaps most, of the more prolific showstopper bugs
still a lot of work to do, but this an almost acceptable first step
I was thinking more like rebranding into "the Blizzard thread" in general, since it's unclear if the Classics team has any more projects, and people keep talking about miscellaneous Blizzard stuff in here anyway. I don't feel strongly about it though, just a nitpick.
the w3 thread itself doesn't get a lot of activity and I think it's best for detailed discussion about the game itself... which, there isn't much of that anyway
anything other than that seems fine for this thread
there are some wc1 screenshots where its clearly only 4 units visible in the selection window
but whatever the case may be, one thing can be stated with confidence: Warcraft 1 was jank as hell.
Jank as hell by modern standards, sure. But that was also over 25 years ago.
It's kind of weird to realize that you could probably run Warcraft 1 on a wristwatch now.
It was pretty jank for the time, even. Keep in mind that WC1 and WC2 came out slightly more than a year apart from each other.
I remember when WC2 released, it was the day I never played WC1 again. They are just night and day. And they were both still DOS games.
Warcraft II is still selling on GOG and probably the greatest sin I've committed in this lifetime is not snagging a copy, because it's still good as hell after all these years.
I was late to the Warcraft party back in the day. I had honestly never even heard of Warcraft 1, until after Warcraft 2 came out. But I was even late to WC2. I didn't buy-in to the series until that Warcraft Battle Chest was available, which contained WC1, WC2, and WC2 Tides of Darkness. But the worst part of all of that, there was a WC2 demo. And I played the hell out of that demo before I got the battle chest. So my introduction to the series was WC2. And then I had to go back and learn WC1 and all of its archaic ways. It was misery to play WC1, having already played the glorious WC2 demo.
But I forced myself to do it. I forced myself to play through all of the WC1 Orc and Human campaigns. I'm glad I did it once, but that's also a game I will probably never replay ever again as long as I live.
Warcraft II wound up being the only game we were allowed to play in the computer lab after school. (The moderator justifying it by saying the strategy elements pushed it above other videogames as being okay to have in school). When I saw the battlechest in stores, I totally scooped it up and proceeded to play through war1/2/x in a go. 'course this was back when I cheated as much as possible in games, so it was basically turning on cheat codes and running through the story. I don't think I've actually ever beat those games legitimately. I have with Starcraft, War 3 and SC2 though.
Absolutey devoured those manuals though. Loved all the lore stuff, to the point where I made a fansite for the then upcoming Warcraft Adventures, which lead to a bunch of other weird stuff like me working on the unreleased Reptiles Total Conversion, and working with @Warlock82 on a Warcraft lore website for awhile.
My first actual hands on experience with Warcraft 2 was on the original Playstation. My older brother had played it at school and hyped me up on the concept a lot -- my anticipation was definitely high. We had a PC but my world of games was limited to "what's on sale at the local wal-mart" in the 90s, and were fairly poor so renting on PSX was pretty much the way in. The rental disc was super scratched and nigh unplayable, unless you played the campaign in Italian.
So that's my hardcore PC gaming cred -- Warcraft 2 on PSX in Italian.
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Hey, the console versions of War2 weren't terrible! Even had some QOL improvements like build queues and increased unit selection limit.
My WC1 strategy was summoning the elementals, which were OP as fuck, turning them invisible, and sneaking them into the enemy base. Back then, the victory condition was almost always "Destroy the enemy town hall" so I would just get a bunch of mages, summon a bunch of elementals, invis them, then surround the town hall, break invis, and raze it to the ground before the enemy team was able to kill the elementals.
Cheap? Yes. Do I regret using such un-gentlemanly tactics? No.
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I think in WC1, I did spear-throwers and catapults.
In WC2, ogre-magi with Bloodlust. Most games were just
It's everything Blizzard should have done, only better, and free...
Minus the graphical asset overhaul, anyway. I say that as someone who's been pretty impressed by OpenRA for years, but there's not really confusing it with the planned HD remaster.
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This would be really cool to check out. Was Warcraft adventures, or whatever the cancelled adventure game.way back when, ever leaked in any form?
Yup, though it was on sketchy russian website so I never had the nerve to try it out. I should whip up a virtual machine at some point.
At the time it was legit - I played through it. Doubt those links still work though. I'm sure it's floating around the web somewhere tho :P It was... yeah, I can see why they cancelled it...
YouTube personality Rhykker has posted a video stating that a leak has been released about Diablo 2 Remastered. The game will be called Diablo 2: Resurrected and was leaked by someone who has leaked Diablo 4 and Shadowlands for Blizzcon 2019.
The game could be released on q4 of 2020, but might be delayed a little bit because the devs are working from home.
I really don't understand the point of a D2 remake; it's not like Diablo 2 didn't age well. I feel like a diablo 3 overhaul would have made a lot more sense.
I really don't understand the point of a D2 remake; it's not like Diablo 2 didn't age well. I feel like a diablo 3 overhaul would have made a lot more sense.
But D3 looks fine? It really doesn't need a remaster. D2 looks daattteeeddd. As much as I love it, it looks very old. Which would be fine if the aesthetic had been pixel art, but it wasn't.
I really don't understand the point of a D2 remake; it's not like Diablo 2 didn't age well. I feel like a diablo 3 overhaul would have made a lot more sense.
But D3 looks fine? It really doesn't need a remaster. D2 looks daattteeeddd. As much as I love it, it looks very old. Which would be fine if the aesthetic had been pixel art, but it wasn't.
More like a gameplay overhaul.
D3 is a fine shell with plenty of great assets that just turned out... poorly. Lots of people still like it/play it, not saying it's objectively terrible, but activision/blizzard is obviously in the mindset of pushing games-as-a-service. I don't see the point of making Diablo Immortal, Diablo 2 Remastered, and Diablo 4 when they could just throw some talent at D3.
Take D3, throw some fancy new shaders on it, 8k texture update, redo the combat system, release simultaneously on PC, console, and mobile.
I don't see them changing the combat feel much, but I would like improvements to the game systems. Skill rebalancing, easier respeccing, an endgame difficulty that scales every act, etc.
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I still love it though, one of my favorite games of all time. There have been many ports with improvements, like adding infinite mouse select and even multiplayer, but yeah, unless you grew up with it I don't see it appealing to many newcomers.
Dune Dynasty is probably one of the best ones I've encountered. Faithful to the original game, adds improvements, and even Skirmish modes 'n such.
I'm having trouble remembering but I *think* this was patched (one way or the other, I forget which way they went with it). I know at some point you could literally select every unit (though it would only display four icons selected)
but whatever the case may be, one thing can be stated with confidence: Warcraft 1 was jank as hell.
It's kind of weird to realize that you could probably run Warcraft 1 on a wristwatch now.
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Shit, an Apple watch is more powerful than all the PCs I used to play 90s and early 00 vidyas.
Just kinda hard to mount a Voodoo 2 inside of it tho.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/warcraft3/t/warcraft-iii-version-1321-patch-notes/19379
tl;dr, I would say this patch at least puts the game in a state where it is not an embarrassingly awful mess, fixing some, perhaps most, of the more prolific showstopper bugs
still a lot of work to do, but this an almost acceptable first step
anything other than that seems fine for this thread
It was pretty jank for the time, even. Keep in mind that WC1 and WC2 came out slightly more than a year apart from each other.
I remember when WC2 released, it was the day I never played WC1 again. They are just night and day. And they were both still DOS games.
Warcraft II is still selling on GOG and probably the greatest sin I've committed in this lifetime is not snagging a copy, because it's still good as hell after all these years.
Also I feel old now.
But I forced myself to do it. I forced myself to play through all of the WC1 Orc and Human campaigns. I'm glad I did it once, but that's also a game I will probably never replay ever again as long as I live.
WC2 on the other hand... that game holds up.
Absolutey devoured those manuals though. Loved all the lore stuff, to the point where I made a fansite for the then upcoming Warcraft Adventures, which lead to a bunch of other weird stuff like me working on the unreleased Reptiles Total Conversion, and working with @Warlock82 on a Warcraft lore website for awhile.
Four scorpions at a time.
I don't even remember if it was successful for that mission. I doubt it.
So that's my hardcore PC gaming cred -- Warcraft 2 on PSX in Italian.
Some of the end missions were only beatable by constantly summoning scorpions/spiders and elementals and sending them to their deaths.
Cheap? Yes. Do I regret using such un-gentlemanly tactics? No.
In WC2, ogre-magi with Bloodlust. Most games were just
This would be really cool to check out. Was Warcraft adventures, or whatever the cancelled adventure game.way back when, ever leaked in any form?
Yup, though it was on sketchy russian website so I never had the nerve to try it out. I should whip up a virtual machine at some point.
Yes, several streamers have played through it in its "entirety".
It's a tonal roller coaster and I'm absolutely not surprised it was cancelled.
Dune 2000 is inside the OpenRA client, though, a project I just want to talk about.
It's a new open source engine C&C or Red Alert, Dune 2000 and Tiberian Sun.
It works online, in LAN, and is just amaaaaaaaaaaaazing to play.
It's everything Blizzard should have done, only better, and free...
Minus the graphical asset overhaul, anyway. I say that as someone who's been pretty impressed by OpenRA for years, but there's not really confusing it with the planned HD remaster.
I would love to play this. I wonder if it's possible to find...
At the time it was legit - I played through it. Doubt those links still work though. I'm sure it's floating around the web somewhere tho :P It was... yeah, I can see why they cancelled it...
YouTube personality Rhykker has posted a video stating that a leak has been released about Diablo 2 Remastered. The game will be called Diablo 2: Resurrected and was leaked by someone who has leaked Diablo 4 and Shadowlands for Blizzcon 2019.
The game could be released on q4 of 2020, but might be delayed a little bit because the devs are working from home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_Visions
Bonus points if they also disable the Diablo 2 client on release as well.
But D3 looks fine? It really doesn't need a remaster. D2 looks daattteeeddd. As much as I love it, it looks very old. Which would be fine if the aesthetic had been pixel art, but it wasn't.
More like a gameplay overhaul.
D3 is a fine shell with plenty of great assets that just turned out... poorly. Lots of people still like it/play it, not saying it's objectively terrible, but activision/blizzard is obviously in the mindset of pushing games-as-a-service. I don't see the point of making Diablo Immortal, Diablo 2 Remastered, and Diablo 4 when they could just throw some talent at D3.
Take D3, throw some fancy new shaders on it, 8k texture update, redo the combat system, release simultaneously on PC, console, and mobile.
Have to agree that 3 really doesn’t need a remaster, at least in the traditional sense.
Plus, in a world where we already know 4 is coming, Diablo 3mastered would only draw “but why aren’t you working on 4?!?”