GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
It was the second impact that was scary. Hitting the wall and going over is one thing, but then having another car impact the drivers side at full speed is the real scary part.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
That's actually great news, because generally with no status updates and the black screens it's not good...but if he's awake that's extremely positive.
Yeah the t-bone impact at 200 mph while his car is inverted that causes the entire frame of the car to flex is not exactly what can be expected of the safety features to be able to handle.
I hope he’s okay. I heard one rumor type that said he was awake but that’s not confirmed or even necessarily a sign of him being okay long term.
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It's a season of T-bone accidents beyond what safety features can handle. Hubert was the same.
There is one crash I can think off that was worse, Geoff Bodine in the truck series in 2000. I was 15 and ditched school to watch the race live (Trucks ran Friday at noon) and watched it live as it happened.
He somehow survived it, and after recovering came back to race again.
If you watch the replays closely, you can see Geoff's helmet bounce off the pavement.
I caught the end of daytona when that accident happened. And the last 12 laps +ot looked more like bar closing time than a race. People just intentionally raming other cars causing accident after accident. Its less who is fastest but who got a bit lucky out of the last dozen cars still capable of moving.
I caught the end of daytona when that accident happened. And the last 12 laps +ot looked more like bar closing time than a race. People just intentionally raming other cars causing accident after accident. Its less who is fastest but who got a bit lucky out of the last dozen cars still capable of moving.
Daytona still relys on drafting strategies, so much of that wasn't so much deliberately ramming as it was trying to optimize speed on that particular row and push the lead car.
Which carries a lot of risk in the best of conditions, but is a recipe for disaster at the tail end of races when cars and drivers are worn out and everyone is hungry to get ahead of the other guy at the end.
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I caught the end of daytona when that accident happened. And the last 12 laps +ot looked more like bar closing time than a race. People just intentionally raming other cars causing accident after accident. Its less who is fastest but who got a bit lucky out of the last dozen cars still capable of moving.
Daytona still relys on drafting strategies, so much of that wasn't so much deliberately ramming as it was trying to optimize speed on that particular row and push the lead car.
Which carries a lot of risk in the best of conditions, but is a recipe for disaster at the tail end of races when cars and drivers are worn out and everyone is hungry to get ahead of the other guy at the end.
I understand drifting but most of the "drifting" I saw was making clear physical contact with the lead car as they were reacting to the impacts. Between those and what clearly were intentional side impacts its more of a demolition derby than a race. It looked like everybody was just so aggressive that they were just yolo'ing regardless of the cost and allowing that to go on is going to get people killed.
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I caught the end of daytona when that accident happened. And the last 12 laps +ot looked more like bar closing time than a race. People just intentionally raming other cars causing accident after accident. Its less who is fastest but who got a bit lucky out of the last dozen cars still capable of moving.
Daytona still relys on drafting strategies, so much of that wasn't so much deliberately ramming as it was trying to optimize speed on that particular row and push the lead car.
Which carries a lot of risk in the best of conditions, but is a recipe for disaster at the tail end of races when cars and drivers are worn out and everyone is hungry to get ahead of the other guy at the end.
I understand drifting but most of the "drifting" I saw was making clear physical contact with the lead car as they were reacting to the impacts. Between those and what clearly were intentional side impacts its more of a demolition derby than a race. It looked like everybody was just so aggressive that they were just yolo'ing regardless of the cost and allowing that to go on is going to get people killed.
Sorry @kaid but they said drafting, not drifting. Drafting is about getting into the wake of the car that's punching a hole in the air ahead of you, so you get better speed for less effort. Sometimes it's strategic to not want to overtake the first car with that extra speed, so you nudge the rear bumper of the lead car. Rubbin' is racin', and all that. You can also draft lead cars by being reeeeally close to their sides when overtaking. Understandably it's really hard not to make side-contact with the lead car when you're >200mph going around a banked corner and literally getting sucked into the side of them. Not making contact would be tricky business in best conditions, and a damn near Herculean task at the end of a long race
edit: and hats-off again to modern safety devices holy smokes. Bit of luck has gone into that quick recovery, sure, but I'm still putting 99% of the reason he's able to even be in a hospital to walk out of to all the racing engineers behind the scenes over the many decades and across many racing series who've working towards getting us to this point.
Theyve tried many things over the years but given it's a restrictor plate track drafting is just how it is
Unless a pack of 220mph cars is some how safer on Daytona it might be I dunno but it'd also be insane
Watch the 2010 and 2011 (I think? Search for 'tandem drafting' on youtube to see it) Daytona/Talladega races to get an idea of what the racing might be like without the restrictor plates. Those were the first couple years where the cars front and rear bumpers lined up perfectly so a rear car could push the car in front all the way around the track. They'd make it around the track about two times before the rear car started to overheat, so they'd swap spots and then start the pushing again. Ultimately the fans hated it because of how spread out the field got, and the drivers/teams hated it because it required cooperation to an insane degree to compete, so NASCAR made it a rule that they couldn't push at all, but that was impossible to enforce (where is the line between an extended bump and a push? Was it the driver in front that trail braked, or driver behind that got a good run?), so they now let drivers push on the straights but not in the corners.
For the first 450 miles drivers are extremely courteous and will give way and willingly drop back instead of blocking the driver behind with a great run. The last 50 miles though? No one gives a single inch to anyone else, and if you're in the lead it's either block and win or don't block and lose. It's rather obvious which choice a driver will make in that moment
yeah ive seen em its a pretty interesting conundrum and limited by how safe a oval track can be, for all Nascars fault's they really do take safety seriously since Earnhardt died. Indycar FINALLY put a wind shield in after losing so many drivers dies pointlessly because oval crashes destroy cars in incredible ways
you made me youtube and this was a video that kinda explains the whole thing I guess?
Superspeedways are also well theres only two of em thank god the racing isnt this bumpy at the other 2 miles
Short track racing? hooo boy smashing and bashing Bristol ain't the insanity it used to be but Martinsville is easily hands down always some of the best racing you'll see every year, even if you hate oval racing
oh put F1 on the Charlotte Roval if they never go back to indy please and thank you
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The Merc system certainly has people talking anyway. Honestly, I somewhat expect it to be banned. I've seen systems banned for less over the years, and the FIA's interpretation can change on a whim (or to whatever suits them at the time).
I would have some immediate questions about the system itself though. How safe is a moving steering column, particularly in a crash? Does the system fail-safe? What happens if it fails anyway, for example mid corner? On the performance side of things, how much benefit does it actually give? I imagine it's significant enough if Merc have gone ahead with it, but also fairly useless on tracks like Monaco where it's nearly all corners. Likewise I wonder how it's configured. I'd assume it's pre-set values at the start and end otherwise it would be very awkward to manage.
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I hope he’s okay. I heard one rumor type that said he was awake but that’s not confirmed or even necessarily a sign of him being okay long term.
There is one crash I can think off that was worse, Geoff Bodine in the truck series in 2000. I was 15 and ditched school to watch the race live (Trucks ran Friday at noon) and watched it live as it happened.
He somehow survived it, and after recovering came back to race again.
Hopefully Newman is able to do the same.
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Part of me wants to awesome that because bloody hell that's a photo
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i got my hopes up last season, and I thought it was probably the worst season since I started watching.. worse even than the Vettel years...
so i guess we can only go up!
He's been treated and released. I can't believe he's walking!
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Daytona still relys on drafting strategies, so much of that wasn't so much deliberately ramming as it was trying to optimize speed on that particular row and push the lead car.
Which carries a lot of risk in the best of conditions, but is a recipe for disaster at the tail end of races when cars and drivers are worn out and everyone is hungry to get ahead of the other guy at the end.
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EDIT: Never mind, just watched the video, it's still there.
I understand drifting but most of the "drifting" I saw was making clear physical contact with the lead car as they were reacting to the impacts. Between those and what clearly were intentional side impacts its more of a demolition derby than a race. It looked like everybody was just so aggressive that they were just yolo'ing regardless of the cost and allowing that to go on is going to get people killed.
There's a simple explanation
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That is phenomenal news about Ryan Newman.
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Sorry @kaid but they said drafting, not drifting. Drafting is about getting into the wake of the car that's punching a hole in the air ahead of you, so you get better speed for less effort. Sometimes it's strategic to not want to overtake the first car with that extra speed, so you nudge the rear bumper of the lead car. Rubbin' is racin', and all that. You can also draft lead cars by being reeeeally close to their sides when overtaking. Understandably it's really hard not to make side-contact with the lead car when you're >200mph going around a banked corner and literally getting sucked into the side of them. Not making contact would be tricky business in best conditions, and a damn near Herculean task at the end of a long race
edit: and hats-off again to modern safety devices holy smokes. Bit of luck has gone into that quick recovery, sure, but I'm still putting 99% of the reason he's able to even be in a hospital to walk out of to all the racing engineers behind the scenes over the many decades and across many racing series who've working towards getting us to this point.
Unless a pack of 220mph cars is some how safer on Daytona it might be I dunno but it'd also be insane
A very cunning move by Torro Rosso to change their name to something that's not easily confused/overlaps with another team
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Watch the 2010 and 2011 (I think? Search for 'tandem drafting' on youtube to see it) Daytona/Talladega races to get an idea of what the racing might be like without the restrictor plates. Those were the first couple years where the cars front and rear bumpers lined up perfectly so a rear car could push the car in front all the way around the track. They'd make it around the track about two times before the rear car started to overheat, so they'd swap spots and then start the pushing again. Ultimately the fans hated it because of how spread out the field got, and the drivers/teams hated it because it required cooperation to an insane degree to compete, so NASCAR made it a rule that they couldn't push at all, but that was impossible to enforce (where is the line between an extended bump and a push? Was it the driver in front that trail braked, or driver behind that got a good run?), so they now let drivers push on the straights but not in the corners.
For the first 450 miles drivers are extremely courteous and will give way and willingly drop back instead of blocking the driver behind with a great run. The last 50 miles though? No one gives a single inch to anyone else, and if you're in the lead it's either block and win or don't block and lose. It's rather obvious which choice a driver will make in that moment
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you made me youtube and this was a video that kinda explains the whole thing I guess?
Superspeedways are also well theres only two of em thank god the racing isnt this bumpy at the other 2 miles
Short track racing? hooo boy smashing and bashing Bristol ain't the insanity it used to be but Martinsville is easily hands down always some of the best racing you'll see every year, even if you hate oval racing
oh put F1 on the Charlotte Roval if they never go back to indy please and thank you
I'm sure we'll get "is it legal" challenges in about five minutes.
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Mercedes: "When the driver pulls on the steering wheel, it straightens the wheels out so the car can go faster!"
Dynamic toe-in, toe-out what the...?
Like, how is that not forbidden under Parc Fermé?
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I would have some immediate questions about the system itself though. How safe is a moving steering column, particularly in a crash? Does the system fail-safe? What happens if it fails anyway, for example mid corner? On the performance side of things, how much benefit does it actually give? I imagine it's significant enough if Merc have gone ahead with it, but also fairly useless on tracks like Monaco where it's nearly all corners. Likewise I wonder how it's configured. I'd assume it's pre-set values at the start and end otherwise it would be very awkward to manage.