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Latin America Thread: Because North American politics are too dang tame.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular


    Normal not coup stuff happening in Bolivia

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular


    Normal not coup stuff happening in Bolivia

    I havent heard the reason for it yet, other than "he has unfinished business with the justice in Bolivia", wich sounds like something a mobster or a self appointed fascist leader would say.

    Either way, he is in Argentina now, and the new party in power is not going to hand Morales over.

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Brazil's government is prosecuting Glenn Greenwald after he published messages that embarassed government prosecutors. They allege he facilitated illegal activity.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/world/americas/glenn-greenwald-brazil-cybercrimes.html#click=https://t.co/ybl09s8IEg

    Greenwald has had several run ins with the fascist government in Brazil and has been a rhetorical target for sone time.

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    NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    Brazil's government is prosecuting Glenn Greenwald after he published messages that embarassed government prosecutors. They allege he facilitated illegal activity.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/world/americas/glenn-greenwald-brazil-cybercrimes.html#click=https://t.co/ybl09s8IEg

    Greenwald has had several run ins with the fascist government in Brazil and has been a rhetorical target for sone time.

    This is an interesting case. He's talked about it on a few left leaning podcasts in the last year, including the same happening to him in Venezuela. There's a good episode of Useful Idiots with him on this topic.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Whoops turns out the entire premise for the obviously bullshit coup was bullshit.



    Chris Mayes is an MSNBC host

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Hey, random update to this entire affair!
    Exit polls suggest Evo Morales’s leftwing party has pulled off a stunning political comeback in Bolivia’s presidential election, although an official result has yet to emerge.

    Two private surveys projected that Luis Arce, the candidate for Morales’s Movimiento al Socialismo (Mas), secured more than 50% of the vote in the ballot on Sunday, with his closest rival, the centrist former president Carlos Mesa, receiving about 30%.

    Arce, a former finance minister under Morales, claimed victory in a late-night broadcast from La Paz. “We have reclaimed democracy and above all we have reclaimed hope,” said the 57-year-old UK-educated economist, widely known as Lucho.

    Arce vowed to end the uncertainty that has plagued his bitterly divided nation since October 2019, when hotly disputed claims of vote rigging against his party resulted in mass street protests, the presidential election being scrapped and Morales being forced from the country by security forces in what his supporters call a racist, rightwing coup.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/bolivia-election-exit-polls-suggest-thumping-win-evo-morales-party-luis-arce

    Note: the headlines keep emphasizing Morales but it's Luis Arce that won, not him. They are just from the same party.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    At least from a face saving point of view, I don't get this argument it is a huge blow to the USA given the argument was not that no left wing party was allowed to win the presidential election and, if you believe the idea that the USA wanted some poor sources of lithium that badly, it doesn't even mean they can't get them.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    I mean the US was involved in the coup so its at least a rebuke

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Luis Arce seems to be fairly well liked or at least accepted among mainstream boring foreign affairs types.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    At least from a face saving point of view, I don't get this argument it is a huge blow to the USA given the argument was not that no left wing party was allowed to win the presidential election and, if you believe the idea that the USA wanted some poor sources of lithium that badly, it doesn't even mean they can't get them.

    I still can't find much of anything on the argument that the coup was US backed. There's a lot on the Organization of American States' being misleading as fuck about the election and starting the ball rolling on it but after that most articles yada yada yada and then just claim the US backed the coup. I'm not sure if evidence has turned up anywhere and it's just not being mentioned.

    Also, hilariously, found at least one source claiming it was a Canada-backed coup.

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    WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    At least from a face saving point of view, I don't get this argument it is a huge blow to the USA given the argument was not that no left wing party was allowed to win the presidential election and, if you believe the idea that the USA wanted some poor sources of lithium that badly, it doesn't even mean they can't get them.

    I still can't find much of anything on the argument that the coup was US backed. There's a lot on the Organization of American States' being misleading as fuck about the election and starting the ball rolling on it but after that most articles yada yada yada and then just claim the US backed the coup. I'm not sure if evidence has turned up anywhere and it's just not being mentioned.

    Also, hilariously, found at least one source claiming it was a Canada-backed coup.

    It's probably a conclusion people jump to because a US three-letter-agency pulling some shady shit to oust a South American left-wing government and install a military-backed fascist is not entirely unprecedented.

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    GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    At least from a face saving point of view, I don't get this argument it is a huge blow to the USA given the argument was not that no left wing party was allowed to win the presidential election and, if you believe the idea that the USA wanted some poor sources of lithium that badly, it doesn't even mean they can't get them.

    I still can't find much of anything on the argument that the coup was US backed. There's a lot on the Organization of American States' being misleading as fuck about the election and starting the ball rolling on it but after that most articles yada yada yada and then just claim the US backed the coup. I'm not sure if evidence has turned up anywhere and it's just not being mentioned.

    Also, hilariously, found at least one source claiming it was a Canada-backed coup.

    It's probably a conclusion people jump to because a US three-letter-agency pulling some shady shit to oust a South American left-wing government and install a military-backed fascist is not entirely unprecedented.

    if I remember correctly wasn't the US told about like the potential coup and our response was basically "have fun storming the castle kids"?

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    At least from a face saving point of view, I don't get this argument it is a huge blow to the USA given the argument was not that no left wing party was allowed to win the presidential election and, if you believe the idea that the USA wanted some poor sources of lithium that badly, it doesn't even mean they can't get them.

    I still can't find much of anything on the argument that the coup was US backed. There's a lot on the Organization of American States' being misleading as fuck about the election and starting the ball rolling on it but after that most articles yada yada yada and then just claim the US backed the coup. I'm not sure if evidence has turned up anywhere and it's just not being mentioned.

    Also, hilariously, found at least one source claiming it was a Canada-backed coup.

    It's probably a conclusion people jump to because a US three-letter-agency pulling some shady shit to oust a South American left-wing government and install a military-backed fascist is not entirely unprecedented.

    if I remember correctly wasn't the US told about like the potential coup and our response was basically "have fun storming the castle kids"?

    you might be thinking of Venezula, where some idiots did a plan even the Trump admin went "Wait what? no"

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Bolivians got very luck in that the right wing didnt really seem ready to actually have power after they seized it.

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    WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    Bolivians got very luck in that the right wing didnt really seem ready to actually have power after they seized it.

    The coup government also did not actually have much in the way of popular support. There were constant protests.

    If they'd fixed the elections there'd be the kind of civil unrest that leads to civil war.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular


    Yeah, the Guatemalan Congress building is on fire. Protesters were absolutely furious at the new budget that was pushed through very rapidly, before anyone could really react to it. The budget cut funds to the judiciary and public health (including funds to battle malnutrition) while increasing congressional meal stipends, among other things. This, during a pandemic, after being flooded by the remnants of back-to-back major hurricanes. This is likely just the beginning, as protesters are demanding the resignation of the president and 3/4 of the legislature.

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    KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Some good news out of Ecuador. The Presidential election, between three candidates, looks to be headed toward a runoff between left wing economist Andres Arrauz and lefter wing environmentalist/indigenous activist Yaku Perez. Guillermo Lasso, a center-right banker who made his name leading Coca Cola's Ecuadorian branch, was perceived as a front runner, but came in third, potentially disqualifying him from the April runoff. However, he will likely pursue a recount, since his loss to Perez was by an extremely narrow margin.

    Reading articles about it is pretty funny, Bloomberg in particular seems in a state of near panic:

    Ecuador Election: Bonds Slump After Guillermo Lasso Trails in Vote Count


    Knife-Edge Election to Decide Whether Ecuador Stays a U.S. Ally



    Ecuador Bonds Tumble as Election Leaves 'Worst-Case Scenario'



    IMF's Woes in Latin America Set to Grow After Ecuador Vote

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    leading Coca Cola's Ecuadorian branch

    Wow I bet he did a lot of only cool not bad stuff!

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    On not just political news, there's a lot of interesting things from Latin American history. Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional related the story of the first hot dog vendor in Caracas, a Jewish immigrant that came to Venezuela escaping from the Nazis:
    The first hot dog vendor in Caracas was Jewish and arrived in Venezuela escaping from the Nazis

    The story of León Zinn deserves to be told over and over again. Born in Poland, he grew up in Vienna, Austria, from where he escaped Nazism. A clever move by his mother allowed him to leave the Dachau concentration camp, northwest of Munich, where he was being held, and begin a journey that took him to Venezuela, along with many others, a country that welcomed him with arms open.

    “My grandmother Berta, determined to save her son, bought a ticket to Trinidad that included the visa. On that ship, which was the Köenigstein, my father got on with 26 years of age, alone, hoping for a wonderful and unknown world ”, said Susana Zinn, León's daughter.

    The ships Caribia and Köenigstein served for 251 Jews, mostly citizens of Vienna, to seek refuge in the Caribbean. The full story is told in the documentary The Ships of Hope, by Jonathan Jakubowicz and it is necessary to remember it on the occasion of the 76 years since the liberation of Auschwitz, the largest Nazi extermination camp.

    The ships sailed from Hamburg: the Caribia, on January 14, 1939. The Köenigstein, a month later. León, who traveled on the Köenigstein, wrote a diary, which inspired the documentary and other publications, such as Rumbo a la libertad, a graphic story illustrated by Eduardo Sanabria and published by Espacio Anna Frank, a non-profit organization “that promotes the practice of coexistence, between the different social groups of Venezuela, without distinction of creed, race, education or economic position, cultivating principles such as healthy coexistence, respect for the different and moral courage ”.
    One of the many ships that came to the New World to escape the horrors of the Holocaust, their arrival wasn't easy:
    No port in the Caribbean wanted to host them. Trinidad, Barbados, the Dominican Republic and Guyana rejected them. Hitler pressured governments not to receive the ships. Only Venezuela took the risk. The Caribia arrived at Puerto Cabello on February 3, 1939. On March 8 the passengers of the Köenigstein disembarked in La Guaira.

    “My dad told me how some of them came to Puerto Cabello, after all the ordeal. He explained to me how the Venezuelan civil society organized and spoke with General Eleazar López Contreras, president at the time, so that they would be allowed in, ”said León Zinn's daughter.

    “They arrived in Puerto Cabello at 3:00 am and my father told me how people left with their cars and trucks to light the port. They came with their cuatros to sing songs, they brought mangoes and bananas. They could not believe that after having suffered rejection, hatred, fanaticism, arriving in Venezuela and seeing how they were received with such affection. That was a shock for him and for all the travelers, ”she explained.

    “They were transferred to the Mampote farm in Miranda state, where they were cared for until they could fend for themselves,” she added.
    We venezuelans are proud, for better or for worse. Besides being the right thing to do, my guess is that even the indifferent to the Jewish plight weren't going to let themselves be coerced by threats. Zinn managed to flourish in the country:
    Entrepreneur and hot dog vendor
    León was a printer by profession. He got a job in Caracas. In parallel, he set up a hot dog stand at Coney Island, an amusement park that operated in San Martin, Los Palos Grandes, and El Paraíso. “It was the first hot dog stand in Venezuela. My brother has all the bills and the rental data for the position, ”said Susana Zinn.

    Likewise, she assured her, he was the first importer of Kodak products to Venezuela.

    "All those who came were entrepreneurs, people who wanted to work," she stressed.

    Susana Zinn: "My father taught me that we should not lose hope" "My father always told me: Venezuela is a unique country, there is no other country like it in the world. The people are wonderful, supportive, ”she stressed.

    “He taught me not to lose hope. That there are good people in the world and that civil society can achieve a lot when it is united; that most of the people are not fanatics but want the good for others, ”she said.

    León Zinn got married in Venezuela. He had three children. He died in 1977.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    *Someone* made a video supposedly showing that Colombian guerrillas supported Andrés Arauz. An ornithologist quickly realized it was a fake. One of the bird calls in the background was that of a pale-browed tinamou (Crypturellus transfasciatus) which only ranges in dry forests of Ecuador and very northern Peru, not into Colombia and definitely not where the actual guerrillas are, and other bird calls are also of birds that live in the dry forests (though not as definitively as the tinamou).

    The important question of course is which *someone* made this and other faked political videos trying to influence the election.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Jeanine Áñez, the "interim president" during the right-wing/military coup of Bolivia, has just been arrested on charges of terrorism and sedition.

    A lot of media outlets are being awfully sympathetic to her, as if she and her cronies are being politically oppressed and weren't the ones being obvious oppressors.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Jeanine Áñez, the "interim president" during the right-wing/military coup of Bolivia, has just been arrested on charges of terrorism and sedition.

    A lot of media outlets are being awfully sympathetic to her, as if she and her cronies are being politically oppressed and weren't the ones being obvious oppressors.

    Is my opinion that this is blatant political retaliation for two reasons:

    First, the MAS was a co-drafter for the Legislation for new elections, which means that they accepted the terms set:
    LA PAZ, Bolivia—Lawmakers rushed Saturday to approve legislation that paves the way for a new presidential election and bars the candidacy of Evo Morales, marking a new path for his socialist movement without its standard-bearer.

    A bill—drafted jointly by members of Mr. Morales’s Movement Toward Socialism party, or MAS, and the political opposition—would prohibit candidates who have served in office for two consecutive terms from an upcoming snap election to replace the longtime leader, who is now in exile after an October vote marred by fraud allegations.

    The bill, approved unanimously Saturday in the Senate, is expected to get the green light from the lower house of Congress later in the day.

    Second, she's being accused of sedition and making a coup, but the reason why Morales had to leave was because the military said that they wouldn't support him:
    General Williams Kaliman told reporters on Sunday: "After analysing the conflicted domestic situation, we ask the president to resign his presidential mandate to allow for pacification and the maintaining of stability, for the good of our Bolivia."

    He added that the military had ordered "operations in the air and on land to neutralise armed groups acting outside the law".

    So, what's with that?

    Anyways, the Bolivian opposition decided to stab each other in the back for power by having everybody postulate a candidate instead of coming to a concensus. Both elections and political mistakes have consequences, specially when the other side plays for keeps.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    I dont understand how either of those points absolve her

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    The uniformed heads of the Brazilian military resigned their posts in response to the firing of the defense minister:


    Leaders of all three branches of the Brazilian military just resigned in protest after Bolsonaro fired his defense minister yesterday.

    The author is a reporter for Huffington Post.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    And Bolsonaro went "you can't resign, you're fired!".

    It's pretty frightening whats going on there. He might actually try and eneact a military putsch to stay in power.

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    GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    And Bolsonaro went "you can't resign, you're fired!".

    It's pretty frightening whats going on there. He might actually try and eneact a military putsch to stay in power.

    Speaking from up North the last guy came disturbingly close because he had removed and replaced a lot of the command chain.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Today is also the anniversary of the last military coup. 31st of March is when the military took over the last time and which parts of the military still celebrate as the "revolution".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_in_Brazil

    (That also reminds me of the fucked up foreign policy of the West during the Cold War, makes my blood boil everytime I think about it. Particularly the US and UK fucked over so many even slightly left leaning governments and supprted and trained a bunch of fascist dictators, torturers and murderers)

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Mexico's cartel wars are getting worse. Various cartels have united against a new cartel. The government's neglect has left towns to protect themselves through militia and an indigenous community has cut itself off from Mexico to protect themselves from the cartels.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqIVjYTJE5E

    ALMO's response to this has been a disgrace. He campaigned on cleaning up Mexico, but he's just another corrupt goose.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    So, I was having a politics discussion with a friend from the "global north", who had the impression that left wing movements had a lot of support in South America in general, and I went into script mode with something we always say to excuse the low number of votes that socialist parties get down here in Argentina, despite having a ton of socialist policies that everyone takes for granted. The common excuse is "that the left is splintered into a lot of small parties that get obliterated in the primaries or split the left vote".

    But I could only name 2 socialist parties off the top of my head, so I went to google "how many national political parties Argentina", and they define national by any party that is recognized in at least 5 provinces. I bolded recognized, because they just need to exist to be in the list, even if they dont have a single member in an elected position in any level of government.

    It´s about 80 of them in 2019, counting any political leaning, most of this parties dont have presidential candidates, but still I thought it was a bit much, considering there is basically only one main party and it´s oposition is it´s latest offshoot of people who didn´t want to go to primaries.

    Is this normal? How many parties are there in your country, like "in paper" vs. parties that actually contest for power ?

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    So, I was having a politics discussion with a friend from the "global north", who had the impression that left wing movements had a lot of support in South America in general, and I went into script mode with something we always say to excuse the low number of votes that socialist parties get down here in Argentina, despite having a ton of socialist policies that everyone takes for granted. The common excuse is "that the left is splintered into a lot of small parties that get obliterated in the primaries or split the left vote".

    But I could only name 2 socialist parties off the top of my head, so I went to google "how many national political parties Argentina", and they define national by any party that is recognized in at least 5 provinces. I bolded recognized, because they just need to exist to be in the list, even if they dont have a single member in an elected position in any level of government.

    It´s about 80 of them in 2019, counting any political leaning, most of this parties dont have presidential candidates, but still I thought it was a bit much, considering there is basically only one main party and it´s oposition is it´s latest offshoot of people who didn´t want to go to primaries.

    Is this normal? How many parties are there in your country, like "in paper" vs. parties that actually contest for power ?

    America is not a parliamentary country, so the political alliances between different factions are made before elections. This means there are essentially 2 parties with supposedly wide policy goals and so on. There are myriad small parties, but they really only matter if they are connected to one of the two main parties, or as spoilers. There are also some independents, who choose who to caucus with.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    So, I was having a politics discussion with a friend from the "global north", who had the impression that left wing movements had a lot of support in South America in general, and I went into script mode with something we always say to excuse the low number of votes that socialist parties get down here in Argentina, despite having a ton of socialist policies that everyone takes for granted. The common excuse is "that the left is splintered into a lot of small parties that get obliterated in the primaries or split the left vote".

    But I could only name 2 socialist parties off the top of my head, so I went to google "how many national political parties Argentina", and they define national by any party that is recognized in at least 5 provinces. I bolded recognized, because they just need to exist to be in the list, even if they dont have a single member in an elected position in any level of government.

    It´s about 80 of them in 2019, counting any political leaning, most of this parties dont have presidential candidates, but still I thought it was a bit much, considering there is basically only one main party and it´s oposition is it´s latest offshoot of people who didn´t want to go to primaries.

    Is this normal? How many parties are there in your country, like "in paper" vs. parties that actually contest for power ?

    America is not a parliamentary country, so the political alliances between different factions are made before elections. This means there are essentially 2 parties with supposedly wide policy goals and so on. There are myriad small parties, but they really only matter if they are connected to one of the two main parties, or as spoilers. There are also some independents, who choose who to caucus with.

    Yeah the independents part I always found a bit confusing, but you guys have the green party, the libertarian party, and there were a couple more, I counted 4 small parties (plus democrat and republican).

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    LordSolarMachariusLordSolarMacharius Red wine with fish Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    So, I was having a politics discussion with a friend from the "global north", who had the impression that left wing movements had a lot of support in South America in general, and I went into script mode with something we always say to excuse the low number of votes that socialist parties get down here in Argentina, despite having a ton of socialist policies that everyone takes for granted. The common excuse is "that the left is splintered into a lot of small parties that get obliterated in the primaries or split the left vote".

    But I could only name 2 socialist parties off the top of my head, so I went to google "how many national political parties Argentina", and they define national by any party that is recognized in at least 5 provinces. I bolded recognized, because they just need to exist to be in the list, even if they dont have a single member in an elected position in any level of government.

    It´s about 80 of them in 2019, counting any political leaning, most of this parties dont have presidential candidates, but still I thought it was a bit much, considering there is basically only one main party and it´s oposition is it´s latest offshoot of people who didn´t want to go to primaries.

    Is this normal? How many parties are there in your country, like "in paper" vs. parties that actually contest for power ?

    In Canada we have five major political parties (that actually hold any seats). I was actually a little surprised at the last election, because my riding just had candidates from them (well, four of them - the Bloc Québécois is regional to Québec); usually there'll be a Communist/Christian Heritage/Libertarian candidate as well.

    Wikipedia says that there are 14 recognised minor parties. Of those, only the Communist and right-wing populist People's Party have actually held any seats (2 in 1943 and 1 in 2018, respectively).

    Our head of state is technically Queen Elizabeth (but her representative, the Governor General, is "suggested" by/can be removed by the Prime Minister) so parties don't run anything like a presidential candidate. We just vote for our local MP, and they support someone to be the Prime Minister. As a result, whichever party is foremost in the House of Commons will generally see its leader made Prime Minister.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Five major political parties is the largest number of parties Ive seen so far, regardless of number of parties it usually goes down to two or three at the most wich concentrate all real political power.

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    LordSolarMachariusLordSolarMacharius Red wine with fish Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Five major political parties is the largest number of parties Ive seen so far, regardless of number of parties it usually goes down to two or three at the most which concentrate all real political power.

    Well... the Liberals (Centre Left) and Conservatives (Right) consistently outpace the others, taking around ~35% of the vote each. They're usually the only ones who can reasonably be expected to form a government. The NDP (Left) takes ~20% and Greens (Environmental) take ~5%, but spread out enough that they're consistently under represented in number of MPs in comparison. The Bloc (Regional) also ends up ~5%, but concentrated entirely in Québec so they end up with a sizable sway in the House.

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    The graph shows how the Conservatives tend to have periodic splits/mergers between their Progressive and Regressive wings, and ends in 2014 (before Trudeau righted the ship for the Liberals). The big "other" spike in the 90s was from the Reform Party, who ended up gutting the Progressive Conservatives and have been wearing them like a skin-suit for the past twenty years.

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    RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    I can say that as a Latin American who has lived in a socialist country that I had to flee from if I wanted to find insulin that I need to live, I'm fucking sick and tired of socialist and far left regimes.

    Uruguay, where I live, used to have one of those as well, but not anymore. Sadly, a few of their policies are still in place.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Five major political parties is the largest number of parties Ive seen so far, regardless of number of parties it usually goes down to two or three at the most which concentrate all real political power.

    Well... the Liberals (Centre Left) and Conservatives (Right) consistently outpace the others, taking around ~35% of the vote each. They're usually the only ones who can reasonably be expected to form a government. The NDP (Left) takes ~20% and Greens (Environmental) take ~5%, but spread out enough that they're consistently under represented in number of MPs in comparison. The Bloc (Regional) also ends up ~5%, but concentrated entirely in Québec so they end up with a sizable sway in the House.

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    The graph shows how the Conservatives tend to have periodic splits/mergers between their Progressive and Regressive wings, and ends in 2014 (before Trudeau righted the ship for the Liberals). The big "other" spike in the 90s was from the Reform Party, who ended up gutting the Progressive Conservatives and have been wearing them like a skin-suit for the past twenty years.

    Yeah, I think the way to think about it is that Canada is functionally a two-party system (at the federal level anyway) with some minor and/or regional parties nibbling at the edges or acting as boosts or spoilers to the major 2 parties in various ways.

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    KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    RockinX wrote: »
    I can say that as a Latin American who has lived in a socialist country that I had to flee from if I wanted to find insulin that I need to live, I'm fucking sick and tired of socialist and far left regimes.

    Uruguay, where I live, used to have one of those as well, but not anymore. Sadly, a few of their policies are still in place.
    Which policies in Uruguay do you refer to? Legitimately curious; I know nothing about Uruguayan politics or governance.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    RockinX wrote: »
    I can say that as a Latin American who has lived in a socialist country that I had to flee from if I wanted to find insulin that I need to live, I'm fucking sick and tired of socialist and far left regimes.

    Uruguay, where I live, used to have one of those as well, but not anymore. Sadly, a few of their policies are still in place.

    It blows my mind that being in countries that are not only neighbours but culturally so similar, we have such a different experience with right leaning and left leaning policies.
    Also, isnt the lack of medical supplies a direct consecuence of being under an embargo? (Im asuming you fled Venezuela, but I could be remembering wrong)

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    RockinXRockinX Registered User regular
    Kaputa wrote: »
    RockinX wrote: »
    I can say that as a Latin American who has lived in a socialist country that I had to flee from if I wanted to find insulin that I need to live, I'm fucking sick and tired of socialist and far left regimes.

    Uruguay, where I live, used to have one of those as well, but not anymore. Sadly, a few of their policies are still in place.
    Which policies in Uruguay do you refer to? Legitimately curious; I know nothing about Uruguayan politics or governance.

    There is a tax of like 150% the price of any package that is imported from any other country if the purchase exceeds $200, or if we import more than three times per year. You might think it's frivolous to be unable to import stuff, but I have missed out on sponsorships because we cannot receive products without paying for them, and ironically enough, I used to buy my insulin from a local association of diabetics, and sometimes they've had trouble in customs with a few kinds of insulin that made it impossible for me to buy it there, and I've gone a few days without it.
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    RockinX wrote: »
    I can say that as a Latin American who has lived in a socialist country that I had to flee from if I wanted to find insulin that I need to live, I'm fucking sick and tired of socialist and far left regimes.

    Uruguay, where I live, used to have one of those as well, but not anymore. Sadly, a few of their policies are still in place.

    It blows my mind that being in countries that are not only neighbours but culturally so similar, we have such a different experience with right leaning and left leaning policies.
    Also, isnt the lack of medical supplies a direct consecuence of being under an embargo? (Im asuming you fled Venezuela, but I could be remembering wrong)

    You're correct. That's where I'm from. But there is no embargo in Venezuela. The only ones affected by US sanctions are politicians linked to the socialist party.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    No, US sanctions against Venezuela arent that targeted.

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