The White House is going to hold another update press conference presumably any second now. I wonder how many days in a row they're going to do these...maybe we can coin a new phrase for them something that incorporates them being press briefings, and that they happen daily. Wouldn't that be something?
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NHS has cancelled all non-urgent surgeries for 3 months in order to free up 30,000 hospital beds.
I'm supposed to be having surgery next month. At a private clinic, but something tells me it's not going to happen anyway.
The White House is going to hold another update press conference presumably any second now. I wonder how many days in a row they're going to do these...maybe we can coin a new phrase for them something that incorporates them being press briefings, and that they happen daily. Wouldn't that be something?
He's probably trying to prove he isn't dying of Covid 19.
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The Imperial College report is one of the things that convinced the UK government to (in a half-arsed way) step up their suppression measures and tell people to stay home, not go out to social events or places and practice social distancing. It's a well respected college and its report should be taken seriously.
This press briefing so far has mostly just been ridiculous bullshit they could have put out in a statement rather than have the President, Vice President, Treasury Secretary, and at least three of the typical background health officials all standing around for the duration of the thing as a few of them take turns talking. It's pathetically transparent.
The only real notable thing is that the White House seems very interested in getting money to people quickly on top of the payroll tax cut that he wants. Talking like they're going to give out lump sums in excess of the $1,000 dollars that has been floated.
The most ridiculous thing has been that when people have asked about restaurants being forced to close down and resort to take out orders and delivery but that not being enough business to keep them open, Trump and Mnuchin seem to think that this only means fast food places, Trump talked about how he contacted McDonalds, Wendy's, and Burger King and told them to stay open and thinks that's a great way for people to eat, and considers them small businesses due to franchisee's.
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The Imperial College report is one of the things that convinced the UK government to (in a half-arsed way) step up their suppression measures and tell people to stay home, not go out to social events or places and practice social distancing. It's a well respected college and its report should be taken seriously.
Yeah, I was going to chime in that I'm not sure how their hard science staff stacks up, but they are hella respected in liberal arts and I've had some minor correspondences with a couple of their history professors.
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Senior Fellow at New America and general policy wonk, Vicki Shabo, has a nice breakdown of the changes the Senate is making to "fix" the House Bill. The short version...they're stripping a lot of things out or adding more loopholes. And the original Dem bill in the House was much better before they had to water some stuff down to get the GOP on board...and yet they're STILL wanting to strip out more protections.
I don't know how respected the college is, but quite a few news sources are running with this, some claiming the report was given to Trump.
There’s a detail here I want to pull out:
The report notes that this strategy could have to be in place until a vaccine is developed, which could take 18 months — saying it is "the only viable strategy at the current time."
18 months is a long time, but I also wonder if we aren’t being optimistic with that figure. As far as I know, though some animal-affecting coronavirusus have vaccines, we haven’t successfully developed any that address known human coronaviruses. I imagine the resources and efforts now are (hopefully) beyond any prior effort, but it still doesn’t seem like a given.
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Elections in Ohio (scheduled for today) which were on, then off, then back on, are now off until June 2. I'm annoyed that the request for an absentee ballot requires generating a PDF with your information, printing it out, signing and sending to the BOE. If I can file my state taxes 100% online, why can't I also request a ballot the same way?
Rhetorical question. I know they want to make paying them money as easy as possible and giving votes as difficult as possible
Elections in Ohio (scheduled for today) which were on, then off, then back on, are now off until June 2. I'm annoyed that the request for an absentee ballot requires generating a PDF with your information, printing it out, signing and sending to the BOE. If I can file my state taxes 100% online, why can't I also request a ballot the same way?
Rhetorical question. I know they want to make paying them money as easy as possible and giving votes as difficult as possible
I’m annoyed at this too.
I understand why it’s a bad time to vote, but the inconsistency in the information sucks, which is a shame cause I think Ohio has been handling things pretty well on the whole. So far.
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The health system where I work has just erected a quarantine tent in the parking lot
Do we work in the same place?
We're watching a video on ventilation of multiple patients using a single machine and working out the supplies we need to rig it.
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Unsure if it was all of Iowa or just my city (Des Moines), we are doing the restaurant/bar closing stuff, and group cap down to 10, effective in about 7 minutes from this post.
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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At this point an exponential increase is just realistic, but its nice to see an official who acknowledges that this is going to get worse before it can get better.
He also goes on to claim that every Texan who needs a test will be able to get one by Friday, claiming they'll be testing 10,000 people a day. This sounds familiar but I don't know enough about the actual underlying issues to know for sure if we actually have the capacity for real widespread testing.
I work in a uk government office, and we've just had vulnerable people sent home, people who have had cancer, etc.
No official email or notification, though, so it may just be a local decision.
UK cinemas shutting down too, so we do seem to be about 10 days behind Italy and Spain in terms of what we're doing.
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I hate the like, constant feeling of anticipation I've been feeling lately. It's like waiting for the other shoe to drop when your upstairs neighbor only has one leg or something.
This press briefing has been going on for an hour and a half. I guess its convenient that none of these people have anything better to do than stand around behind the President while he defends calling it the "Chinese Virus" and attacking anyone who is critical of how he's handled this.
I don't know how respected the college is, but quite a few news sources are running with this, some claiming the report was given to Trump.
There’s a detail here I want to pull out:
The report notes that this strategy could have to be in place until a vaccine is developed, which could take 18 months — saying it is "the only viable strategy at the current time."
18 months is a long time, but I also wonder if we aren’t being optimistic with that figure. As far as I know, though some animal-affecting coronavirusus have vaccines, we haven’t successfully developed any that address known human coronaviruses. I imagine the resources and efforts now are (hopefully) beyond any prior effort, but it still doesn’t seem like a given.
I assume that if we finally got testing up and running properly, we could ease up a lot on the quarantine measures. Still wouldn't be a return to normal, but could help.
We don't understand that we started taking actions two months late, and we don't understand that we completely lack useful data. We're gonna insist that we're doing fuckin great here though.
Man at this point you just gotta hope that their ability to be the luckiest motherfuckers of all time works out for all of us, that our snail pace response was somehow sufficient, and that we don't have a massive death toll in the coming months.
Oh also ended the press briefing by saying the tests everyone else is using is a bad test which is why we didn't want them. Also saying that they were never actually offered to us.
We don't understand that we started taking actions two months late, and we don't understand that we completely lack useful data. We're gonna insist that we're doing fuckin great here though.
Man at this point you just gotta hope that their ability to be the luckiest motherfuckers of all time works out for all of us, that our snail pace response was somehow sufficient, and that we don't have a massive death toll in the coming months.
Oh also ended the press briefing by saying the tests everyone else is using is a bad test which is why we didn't want them. Also saying that they were never actually offered to us.
Yeah this one jumped out at me. Trump (and the doctor lady?) said that the WHO test had a 50% false positive/false negative rate. The doctor clarified to "47%" I guess to make it seem more accurate, but that seems like a pretty huge failure rate to just be hearing about for the first time, coincidentally from the administration that insisted on developing its own tests.
We don't understand that we started taking actions two months late, and we don't understand that we completely lack useful data. We're gonna insist that we're doing fuckin great here though.
Man at this point you just gotta hope that their ability to be the luckiest motherfuckers of all time works out for all of us, that our snail pace response was somehow sufficient, and that we don't have a massive death toll in the coming months.
Oh also ended the press briefing by saying the tests everyone else is using is a bad test which is why we didn't want them. Also saying that they were never actually offered to us.
Yeah this one jumped out at me. Trump (and the doctor lady?) said that the WHO test had a 50% false positive/false negative rate. The doctor clarified to "47%" I guess to make it seem more accurate, but that seems like a pretty huge failure rate to just be hearing about for the first time, coincidentally from the administration that insisted on developing its own tests.
I’m not optimistic about America reopening for usual business until September at the earliest. I know people in general are thinking things will go back to normal in, like, April. But I think once we start seeing the death toll rise, it will be difficult to convince people they need to go out in public.
I’m not optimistic about America reopening for usual business until September at the earliest. I know people in general are thinking things will go back to normal in, like, April. But I think once we start seeing the death toll rise, it will be difficult to convince people they need to go out in public.
We aren't even going to see the effect of the current restrictions for another few weeks. Then it'll take more time to actually beat down the case load.
Even if things go perfectly we're looking at probably end of May ish. At best.
I’m not optimistic about America reopening for usual business until September at the earliest. I know people in general are thinking things will go back to normal in, like, April. But I think once we start seeing the death toll rise, it will be difficult to convince people they need to go out in public.
It'll go the opposite way. After a few weeks of being stuck inside people will be tired of this shit and want to return to normal.
Honestly, I doubt any non-authoritarian state is capable of maintaining this kind of lockdown for too long.
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I don't know how respected the college is, but quite a few news sources are running with this, some claiming the report was given to Trump.
There’s a detail here I want to pull out:
The report notes that this strategy could have to be in place until a vaccine is developed, which could take 18 months — saying it is "the only viable strategy at the current time."
18 months is a long time, but I also wonder if we aren’t being optimistic with that figure. As far as I know, though some animal-affecting coronavirusus have vaccines, we haven’t successfully developed any that address known human coronaviruses. I imagine the resources and efforts now are (hopefully) beyond any prior effort, but it still doesn’t seem like a given.
Well, if we end up developing a good vaccine on a coronavirus, maybe we'll be able to more quickly combat the next one, which could be important. Imagine this, with MERS level fatality rate. Bad times now, but they could be worse, and may very well be in the nebulous far future.
I’m not optimistic about America reopening for usual business until September at the earliest. I know people in general are thinking things will go back to normal in, like, April. But I think once we start seeing the death toll rise, it will be difficult to convince people they need to go out in public.
It'll go the opposite way. After a few weeks of being stuck inside people will be tired of this shit and want to return to normal.
Honestly, I doubt any non-authoritarian state is capable of maintaining this kind of lockdown for too long.
Yeah once summer rolls around the only thing that's going to convince people to stay inside is if people they know personally are dropping dead
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State of Florida finally doing something more than zero. Governor ordered all bars and clubs closed starting at 5 PM today. To remain so for 30 days. Restaurants are not being ordered to but “recommended” to operate at 50% dine in capacity and have 6 ft separation between seating. They are also encouraged to move to take out/delivery as much as possible and employees have to be screened before working, whatever that means. It’s not nearly enough but it’s something at least. https://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Governor-Bars-nightclubs-to-close-at-5-pm-568863681.html
I don't know how respected the college is, but quite a few news sources are running with this, some claiming the report was given to Trump.
There’s a detail here I want to pull out:
The report notes that this strategy could have to be in place until a vaccine is developed, which could take 18 months — saying it is "the only viable strategy at the current time."
18 months is a long time, but I also wonder if we aren’t being optimistic with that figure. As far as I know, though some animal-affecting coronavirusus have vaccines, we haven’t successfully developed any that address known human coronaviruses. I imagine the resources and efforts now are (hopefully) beyond any prior effort, but it still doesn’t seem like a given.
Well, if we end up developing a good vaccine on a coronavirus, maybe we'll be able to more quickly combat the next one, which could be important. Imagine this, with MERS level fatality rate. Bad times now, but they could be worse, and may very well be in the nebulous far future.
Oh absolutely. I guess I’m just wondering whether the development of a human-coronavirus vaccine is more of a medical breakthrough than a given, which seems like something people are taking for granted.
Like, all these “Trust in science” memes are fine and I think well-intentioned, but science is about a process that leads to a lot of (incredibly useful!) dead ends. It’s just not clear to me where the confidence that we can accomplish this at all is coming from, and I am generally very bullish on what humanity can accomplish with attention and resources.
Dallas County just reported 5 more cases, with 3 of them being 20 to 30 year olds.
Not surprising since up to this weekend the bars were still crowded from what I saw on my social media feeds. Restaurants and bars are now closed down, but Ft Worth is still allowing them to operate and half maximum capacity.
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We don't understand that we started taking actions two months late, and we don't understand that we completely lack useful data. We're gonna insist that we're doing fuckin great here though.
Man at this point you just gotta hope that their ability to be the luckiest motherfuckers of all time works out for all of us, that our snail pace response was somehow sufficient, and that we don't have a massive death toll in the coming months.
Oh also ended the press briefing by saying the tests everyone else is using is a bad test which is why we didn't want them. Also saying that they were never actually offered to us.
Yeah this one jumped out at me. Trump (and the doctor lady?) said that the WHO test had a 50% false positive/false negative rate. The doctor clarified to "47%" I guess to make it seem more accurate, but that seems like a pretty huge failure rate to just be hearing about for the first time, coincidentally from the administration that insisted on developing its own tests.
IIRC, it was fairly well known that the tests other countries were using had a fairly high false negative rate (I'm not aware of there being a false positive problem), which is why every person was tested multiple times simultaneously.
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This kind of stuff makes me super scared of it. I have severe asthma... Granted I'm not in the age range of it being dangerous... Still.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241245211.html
I'm supposed to be having surgery next month. At a private clinic, but something tells me it's not going to happen anyway.
Welp. We were down to the occassional restaurant pick up as it is. This seals it.
He's probably trying to prove he isn't dying of Covid 19.
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https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-report-us-uk-strategies-e45bc5d4-d2f1-40e2-825e-429b2b7c1b50.html
I don't know how respected the college is, but quite a few news sources are running with this, some claiming the report was given to Trump.
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The only real notable thing is that the White House seems very interested in getting money to people quickly on top of the payroll tax cut that he wants. Talking like they're going to give out lump sums in excess of the $1,000 dollars that has been floated.
The most ridiculous thing has been that when people have asked about restaurants being forced to close down and resort to take out orders and delivery but that not being enough business to keep them open, Trump and Mnuchin seem to think that this only means fast food places, Trump talked about how he contacted McDonalds, Wendy's, and Burger King and told them to stay open and thinks that's a great way for people to eat, and considers them small businesses due to franchisee's.
Yeah, I was going to chime in that I'm not sure how their hard science staff stacks up, but they are hella respected in liberal arts and I've had some minor correspondences with a couple of their history professors.
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There’s a detail here I want to pull out:
18 months is a long time, but I also wonder if we aren’t being optimistic with that figure. As far as I know, though some animal-affecting coronavirusus have vaccines, we haven’t successfully developed any that address known human coronaviruses. I imagine the resources and efforts now are (hopefully) beyond any prior effort, but it still doesn’t seem like a given.
Well good to see my own expectations aren't wrong.
Depressing to see they're right though.
I’m annoyed at this too.
I understand why it’s a bad time to vote, but the inconsistency in the information sucks, which is a shame cause I think Ohio has been handling things pretty well on the whole. So far.
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Do we work in the same place?
We're watching a video on ventilation of multiple patients using a single machine and working out the supplies we need to rig it.
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At this point an exponential increase is just realistic, but its nice to see an official who acknowledges that this is going to get worse before it can get better.
He also goes on to claim that every Texan who needs a test will be able to get one by Friday, claiming they'll be testing 10,000 people a day. This sounds familiar but I don't know enough about the actual underlying issues to know for sure if we actually have the capacity for real widespread testing.
No official email or notification, though, so it may just be a local decision.
UK cinemas shutting down too, so we do seem to be about 10 days behind Italy and Spain in terms of what we're doing.
I assume that if we finally got testing up and running properly, we could ease up a lot on the quarantine measures. Still wouldn't be a return to normal, but could help.
We don't understand that we started taking actions two months late, and we don't understand that we completely lack useful data. We're gonna insist that we're doing fuckin great here though.
Man at this point you just gotta hope that their ability to be the luckiest motherfuckers of all time works out for all of us, that our snail pace response was somehow sufficient, and that we don't have a massive death toll in the coming months.
Oh also ended the press briefing by saying the tests everyone else is using is a bad test which is why we didn't want them. Also saying that they were never actually offered to us.
Yeah this one jumped out at me. Trump (and the doctor lady?) said that the WHO test had a 50% false positive/false negative rate. The doctor clarified to "47%" I guess to make it seem more accurate, but that seems like a pretty huge failure rate to just be hearing about for the first time, coincidentally from the administration that insisted on developing its own tests.
Which were faulty.
We aren't even going to see the effect of the current restrictions for another few weeks. Then it'll take more time to actually beat down the case load.
Even if things go perfectly we're looking at probably end of May ish. At best.
It'll go the opposite way. After a few weeks of being stuck inside people will be tired of this shit and want to return to normal.
Honestly, I doubt any non-authoritarian state is capable of maintaining this kind of lockdown for too long.
Well, if we end up developing a good vaccine on a coronavirus, maybe we'll be able to more quickly combat the next one, which could be important. Imagine this, with MERS level fatality rate. Bad times now, but they could be worse, and may very well be in the nebulous far future.
Just checked, its government wide.
Yeah once summer rolls around the only thing that's going to convince people to stay inside is if people they know personally are dropping dead
https://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Governor-Bars-nightclubs-to-close-at-5-pm-568863681.html
Oh absolutely. I guess I’m just wondering whether the development of a human-coronavirus vaccine is more of a medical breakthrough than a given, which seems like something people are taking for granted.
Like, all these “Trust in science” memes are fine and I think well-intentioned, but science is about a process that leads to a lot of (incredibly useful!) dead ends. It’s just not clear to me where the confidence that we can accomplish this at all is coming from, and I am generally very bullish on what humanity can accomplish with attention and resources.
Not surprising since up to this weekend the bars were still crowded from what I saw on my social media feeds. Restaurants and bars are now closed down, but Ft Worth is still allowing them to operate and half maximum capacity.
IIRC, it was fairly well known that the tests other countries were using had a fairly high false negative rate (I'm not aware of there being a false positive problem), which is why every person was tested multiple times simultaneously.
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