Cross-posting this from the coronavirus update thread.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed during a morning press conference that Trump wants to station soldiers near the Canada-US border.
American government officials inside Donald Trump’s White House are actively discussing putting troops near the Canadian borders in light of U.S. border security concerns around the coronavirus pandemic, sources tell Global News.
Few people cross from Canada into the United States at an unofficial point each year but the goal of the policy would be to help border guards detect irregular crossers, the sources said.
Would these soldiers also stop the tens of thousands of Americans illegally crossing into Canada and force them to stay in their plague-infested country? If so, I fully support this move.
Cross-posting this from the coronavirus update thread.
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed during a morning press conference that Trump wants to station soldiers near the Canada-US border.
American government officials inside Donald Trump’s White House are actively discussing putting troops near the Canadian borders in light of U.S. border security concerns around the coronavirus pandemic, sources tell Global News.
Few people cross from Canada into the United States at an unofficial point each year but the goal of the policy would be to help border guards detect irregular crossers, the sources said.
Would these soldiers also stop the tens of thousands of Americans illegally crossing into Canada and force them to stay in their plague-infested country? If so, I fully support this move.
I was worried Trump would insist on reopening the border way too soon. He's been way too eager to go back to bussiness as usual. Looks like my worries were unfounded!
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El SkidThe frozen white northRegistered Userregular
Yes Trump use your paranoia to protect us from you. Trump has this weird fixation on mass migration to the US during this pandemic.
It's not weird. He's looking to create the perception that the US is still a beacon of light in the world, and thus that people from all over will rush to his country in a period of turmoil.
Because he is doing such a good job with this pandemic, you see.
"Well why did he have to post soldiers at our northern border if he's doing such a bad job?" his voters will say when confronted with evidence that he is badly botching this by refusing vaccines and telling everyone that everything is fine.
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DaimarA Million Feet Tall of AwesomeRegistered Userregular
He wants to be seen as a wartime president who was willing to throw troops and tanks and whatever around to protect the USA.
The Canadian government says it's "strongly opposed" to the idea of sending American troops to the border to intercept illegal migrants as part of that country's response to the coronavirus pandemic.
"This is an entirely unnecessary step, which we would view as damaging to our relationship," said Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland
"We understand the concerns about the coronavirus. We share those concerns, very much," she said.
"What we have said is, 'We really do not believe at all that there would be a public health justification for you to take this action. Of course, it's up to you to decide for yourselves.' And we've said we really don't think this is the right way to treat a trusted friend and military ally."
I’m more worried about mass desertions from soldiers wanting to take refuge in a safer country.
I would be more worried about once the US places soldiers there, they don’t go home after the crisis is over, and then the Kleptocracy in the USA starts eyeballing Canada’s resources
I’m more worried about mass desertions from soldiers wanting to take refuge in a safer country.
I would be more worried about once the US places soldiers there, they don’t go home after the crisis is over, and then the Kleptocracy in the USA starts eyeballing Canada’s resources
According to the article, they're not planning on placing soldiers in Canada, only within 30km of the border on the US side.
I’m more worried about mass desertions from soldiers wanting to take refuge in a safer country.
I would be more worried about once the US places soldiers there, they don’t go home after the crisis is over, and then the Kleptocracy in the USA starts eyeballing Canada’s resources
According to the article, they're not planning on placing soldiers in Canada, only within 30km of the border on the US side.
Same difference, with how mobile armies are in the modern age, and one of the biggest indicators throughout history of an attack is one side unilaterally massing troops on the border
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DaimarA Million Feet Tall of AwesomeRegistered Userregular
Putin has been telling him about his exploits in the Ukraine.
I’m all for being afraid of the rise of fascism in the US, and its implications for our security, but this is not it.
If anything, dispersing troops like that make it harder for the US to invade. Especially with infantry. They don’t need to reposition anything to be ready to invade, they already have bases near highways, railroads and seaways that lead straight to our industrial base and population centres.
There is no universe in which the United States can currently invade Canada without immediately falling into a civil war of its own.
I wouldn't wager against the universe where a reality-tv host catering to the kkk and neo-nazi far-right groups took power with Russia's help, built concentration camps on US soil, and now advocates killing American citizens for money, without starting a civil war.
There is no universe in which the United States can currently invade Canada without immediately falling into a civil war of its own.
I wouldn't wager against the universe where a reality-tv host catering to the kkk and neo-nazi far-right groups took power with Russia's help, built concentration camps on US soil, and now advocates killing American citizens for money, without starting a civil war.
Richy is right on here. We are beyond the pale here .
He couldn't even get a war on Iran while Bolton was in power, he is not getting a war on fucking Canada.
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ArcticLancerBest served chilled.Registered Userregular
He's also all about show and bravado. It's one thing in his entirely racist mind to go after "the brown guys in the bad place." It's another thing to claim that of Canadians and Canada.
He couldn't even get a war on Iran while Bolton was in power, he is not getting a war on fucking Canada.
It won’t be in a single administration or maybe even in a generation, but having a former hegemonic super power massing troops on your border is going to be bad news come climate and resource related emergencies.
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He couldn't even get a war on Iran while Bolton was in power, he is not getting a war on fucking Canada.
It won’t be in a single administration or maybe even in a generation, but having a former hegemonic super power massing troops on your border is going to be bad news come climate and resource related emergencies.
If the US had a will to invade, there would be little we could do about it.
But I think they're in the middle of a collapse, so who knows what the future will bring.
Hell, to be fair, Canada is teetering. Everything might be different in a year's time.
At this point do we know how many troops they plan to post on the border? If they're just adding a small number of troops to aid border services in shoring up their border, then I don't think there's too much cause for alarm. On the other hand, if they're moving troops in appreciable numbers, then we may want to keep an eye on things, and maybe move a few assets of our own to "assist" border security on our side.
He couldn't even get a war on Iran while Bolton was in power, he is not getting a war on fucking Canada.
It won’t be in a single administration or maybe even in a generation, but having a former hegemonic super power massing troops on your border is going to be bad news come climate and resource related emergencies.
If the US had a will to invade, there would be little we could do about it.
But I think they're in the middle of a collapse, so who knows what the future will bring.
Hell, to be fair, Canada is teetering. Everything might be different in a year's time.
So, what you are saying is that, if we all are really lucky, the Queen of North-North America will govern as directed by the advice of whomever has the confidence of the House of Common, Mackenzie King, Laurier, Kings' dogs, and FDR. Maybe Pearson and PET, if they are available.
This would mostly involve universal healthcare, and corgis for all.
Worrying about the US trying to wave their proverbial penis around because their leader would absolutely lean on their closest ally if he could personally make 20 bucks is fair though. I have no idea what Trump is getting at here, but it almost surely won’t benefit that many people
They're obsessed with border control and the narrative about "dirty foreigners" coming into their country this isn't complicated.
That and the US government is both unwilling and unable to accept the possibility that it's doing anything wrong; the increase in cases has to be foreigners, opposition governments at the state level, or both. In the last month Trump's scapegoated, in order, China, Mexico and the European Union as the singular reason people in the US are getting sick. He's taking aim at us this time simply because the previous attempts didn't stick and we're next on the list.
Wait, the american soldiers aren't there to keep those dirty foreigners in their shitty no healthcare squalor? I thought they were there to prevent them from mooching our healthcare?
Wait, the american soldiers aren't there to keep those dirty foreigners in their shitty no healthcare squalor? I thought they were there to prevent them from mooching our healthcare?
The official line is that we're the current big source of American cases and not the other way around.
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They're obsessed with border control and the narrative about "dirty foreigners" coming into their country this isn't complicated.
It is 100% an insane belief that everywhere else is a plagued hellscape and foreigners are dirty, and the "Chinese virus" is a threat because foreigners can bring it in, which is the biggest vector.
It's not particularly realistic, but it's what.. he believes, surely. He's doing this because he's convinced that foreigners are gonna bring the disease in (..more), and the US is handling it perfectly.
Wait, the american soldiers aren't there to keep those dirty foreigners in their shitty no healthcare squalor? I thought they were there to prevent them from mooching our healthcare?
Joke's on you, your (well, BC's) dumb government has decided to give temporary healthcare coverage to new residents who can't get to an ICBC office to prove that they're real and have the correct documents :P
Turns out the best way to avoid having to buy private insurance is to have a global pandemic going on when you transfer residency. I.. wouldn't recommend it on the whole, though.
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This clip implies that the reason for this is "illegal trade".
They're obsessed with border control and the narrative about "dirty foreigners" coming into their country this isn't complicated.
It is 100% an insane belief that everywhere else is a plagued hellscape and foreigners are dirty, and the "Chinese virus" is a threat because foreigners can bring it in, which is the biggest vector.
It's not particularly realistic, but it's what.. he believes, surely. He's doing this because he's convinced that foreigners are gonna bring the disease in (..more), and the US is handling it perfectly.
Wait, the american soldiers aren't there to keep those dirty foreigners in their shitty no healthcare squalor? I thought they were there to prevent them from mooching our healthcare?
Joke's on you, your (well, BC's) dumb government has decided to give temporary healthcare coverage to new residents who can't get to an ICBC office to prove that they're real and have the correct documents :P
Turns out the best way to avoid having to buy private insurance is to have a global pandemic going on when you transfer residency. I.. wouldn't recommend it on the whole, though.
If Ontario felt a pressing urge to do that, and save my spouse three months of private insurance, that would be just lovely. Going to have a look at the details.
In general border/travel news, Air Transat will be (temporarily) ceasing operations April 1st - the Mrs got a flight out just in time. Today, actually!
And Amtrak just emailed to say they’re cancelling our later cross-border train. In May. So I guess they don’t expect this to die down.
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The US has a volunteer army. I highly doubt there are a large number of people who volunteered for military service looking to desert.
Would these soldiers also stop the tens of thousands of Americans illegally crossing into Canada and force them to stay in their plague-infested country? If so, I fully support this move.
I was worried Trump would insist on reopening the border way too soon. He's been way too eager to go back to bussiness as usual. Looks like my worries were unfounded!
It's not weird. He's looking to create the perception that the US is still a beacon of light in the world, and thus that people from all over will rush to his country in a period of turmoil.
Because he is doing such a good job with this pandemic, you see.
"Well why did he have to post soldiers at our northern border if he's doing such a bad job?" his voters will say when confronted with evidence that he is badly botching this by refusing vaccines and telling everyone that everything is fine.
Canada 'strongly opposed' to U.S. stationing troops near shared border
https://cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-border-coronavirus-1.5510853
*going to crosspost into a corona thread
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According to the article, they're not planning on placing soldiers in Canada, only within 30km of the border on the US side.
Same difference, with how mobile armies are in the modern age, and one of the biggest indicators throughout history of an attack is one side unilaterally massing troops on the border
MWO: Adamski
If anything, dispersing troops like that make it harder for the US to invade. Especially with infantry. They don’t need to reposition anything to be ready to invade, they already have bases near highways, railroads and seaways that lead straight to our industrial base and population centres.
I wouldn't wager against the universe where a reality-tv host catering to the kkk and neo-nazi far-right groups took power with Russia's help, built concentration camps on US soil, and now advocates killing American citizens for money, without starting a civil war.
Richy is right on here. We are beyond the pale here .
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
It won’t be in a single administration or maybe even in a generation, but having a former hegemonic super power massing troops on your border is going to be bad news come climate and resource related emergencies.
MWO: Adamski
If the US had a will to invade, there would be little we could do about it.
But I think they're in the middle of a collapse, so who knows what the future will bring.
Hell, to be fair, Canada is teetering. Everything might be different in a year's time.
So, what you are saying is that, if we all are really lucky, the Queen of North-North America will govern as directed by the advice of whomever has the confidence of the House of Common, Mackenzie King, Laurier, Kings' dogs, and FDR. Maybe Pearson and PET, if they are available.
This would mostly involve universal healthcare, and corgis for all.
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Like, this is the guy who, last week, tried to buy German scientists and the vaccine they were working on
But my morning commute is a few seconds so...
That and the US government is both unwilling and unable to accept the possibility that it's doing anything wrong; the increase in cases has to be foreigners, opposition governments at the state level, or both. In the last month Trump's scapegoated, in order, China, Mexico and the European Union as the singular reason people in the US are getting sick. He's taking aim at us this time simply because the previous attempts didn't stick and we're next on the list.
The official line is that we're the current big source of American cases and not the other way around.
It is 100% an insane belief that everywhere else is a plagued hellscape and foreigners are dirty, and the "Chinese virus" is a threat because foreigners can bring it in, which is the biggest vector.
It's not particularly realistic, but it's what.. he believes, surely. He's doing this because he's convinced that foreigners are gonna bring the disease in (..more), and the US is handling it perfectly.
Joke's on you, your (well, BC's) dumb government has decided to give temporary healthcare coverage to new residents who can't get to an ICBC office to prove that they're real and have the correct documents :P
Turns out the best way to avoid having to buy private insurance is to have a global pandemic going on when you transfer residency. I.. wouldn't recommend it on the whole, though.
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If Ontario felt a pressing urge to do that, and save my spouse three months of private insurance, that would be just lovely. Going to have a look at the details.
In general border/travel news, Air Transat will be (temporarily) ceasing operations April 1st - the Mrs got a flight out just in time. Today, actually!
And Amtrak just emailed to say they’re cancelling our later cross-border train. In May. So I guess they don’t expect this to die down.
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As an American, sadly.., and honestly in my mind,
If he pulls that shit, I hope Canada punches us in the nose again, aka burn down our White House Again!
Goddammit Canada, Sorry, fucking Sorry!!