The spooky guy with red eyes is Wrathion, one of Deathwing's kids or grandkids but not "corrupted" .
There is a Cataclysm quest in the Badlans where you help a red dragon hatch him from and keep him alive and safe from being corrupted by other black dragons and Deathwing. Reward is a trinket that summons him as a whelp to fight for you for a minute or so.
Then in Mists of Pandaria he hangs out at a bar and gives you quests that let you put sockets and special gems in your weapons and eventually a legendary cloak, all the whole hinting at an incoming demon invasion and trying to escalate the horde vs alluance war because he believes the only way to beat the demons is to have one dominant faction instead of this halfsies deal we have.
Then during WoD he is absent, and in Legion you run into his servants saying we are all douchebags for not consolidating into one faction via warfare, and it's this big mystery of where is he? This continues trough early BfA.
Then in the latest patch he shows up and tells the SW king about N'Zoth, and i guess they had no way to shuehorn this to the horde player any other way than "Valeera was at that meeting so she's just going to tell you what happened". Then you do a quest chain that ends with Wrathion hanging out in the Chamber of Heart (your special BfA necklace), and next step is to kill N'Zoth. And he gives you a legendary cloak again!
Then in the raid,
you fight him in dragon form as first boss
except it's not really him, it's N'zoth fing with you with an illusion. Then after you best the first 3 bosses, Wrathion gives you a speed boost when you res after a wipe to get you back to the fight. Then in boss before last he
opens the way to fight him. Then he helps restore your sanity in second to last and last boss (if you don't dodge sanity drain mechanics you get mind controlled).
Also, a lot of people ship Anduin and Wrathion, which seems weird to me but eh.
Well, the first interaction I saw between the two involved Anduin punching Wrathion in the face, who responding by making a snide remark and then saying "I guess I might have deserved that."
So uh, yeah, I can absolutely see shippers just taking that dynamic and going nuts.
Wrathions agents are also vaguely present for one of the island expedition quests. Where they mumble some totally-not-foreshadowing about the dragon isles before telling you to leave.
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
The fact the Dragon Isles wasn't a part of this expansion both makes no sense, and also makes a ton of sense?
Like it may be saving for an entire expansion, but at the same time BFA was totally the fucking kitchen sink of WoW lore things to tackle in a single expansion, so why not.
So my gear is still mostly shit, but I have 2 stacks of Baleful Invocation and Explosive Impact and yes please I like this a lot.
Turns out shitting out a billion imps at the speed of light is pretty fun!
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zucchinirobotheropretty much amazingRegistered Userregular
so this is probably a repeat discussion, but man the horde is really directionless huh?
Without fail, their leaders die or turn evil every expansion. Every expansion features at least one bad guy group that was at least in some part affiliated with the horde, and some of the racial factions have a rotating cast of leaders who haven't really had much development or done enough for me to care about them. On the flip side, every expansion's Good Guy NPC is aligned somewhat with alliance, and the horde just tags along (Khadgar, Tirion, Magni).
Do alliance players get this same feeling with their leaders, or am I just sour grapes?
Pretty much every one of the warlords had some callback to their video in WoD somewhere. Like killrogs whole "This is the death I foresaw" being his fathers last words to him or whatever.
Which really makes you curious as to why these videos werent given to the players at any fucking point in the game, like how we got the harbingers in legion.
The MoP videos also should have been included in the game. WoW has had a really bad habit for a long time of including rather key story and characterization development in content outside of the game, which leaves the players who play the game confused or just giving up on following any of the lore at all.
Pretty much every one of the warlords had some callback to their video in WoD somewhere. Like killrogs whole "This is the death I foresaw" being his fathers last words to him or whatever.
Which really makes you curious as to why these videos werent given to the players at any fucking point in the game, like how we got the harbingers in legion.
Decided to use the 110 boost I got for preordering Shadowlands on an Alliance Rogue, mostly to see more of spooky drowned witch land from the Alliance pov, and also because low level rogue is boring as shit.
Initial impressions are 1) Spooky drowned witch land is cool as hell, 2) Rogue is a whole lot more fun at 110, I'm enjoying all three specs a lot, and 3) oh my fucking god all of the Alliance characters are fucking nerds. Except for Jania, who is mildly terrifying, but only because she gives off the vibe of someone who would be really into eugenics and racial cleansing. Like, Jania creeps me the fuck out and I'm not entirely sure why.
Kinda tangential to WoW itself, but does Warcraft 3 Reforged still completely fucking suck?
I kinda want to pick it up just to play through the old single player campaigns, but I can't remember if the game itself was busted or only the multiplayer/online stuff.
As someone who never played Warcraft III I have been slowly limping through Reforged single player and the game is fine!
I think the complaints were:
- multiplayer has (had? I have no idea) some issues
- they had initially promised all the in-have cutscenes completely redone to a higher standard and they ended up not
- they had initially promised that would make in game city and town layouts match how they look like in WoW but they ended up leaving them how they originally were laid out in WC3
As someone who never played Warcraft III I have been slowly limping through Reforged single player and the game is fine!
I think the complaints were:
- multiplayer has (had? I have no idea) some issues
- they had initially promised all the in-have cutscenes completely redone to a higher standard and they ended up not
- they had initially promised that would make in game city and town layouts match how they look like in WoW but they ended up leaving them how they originally were laid out in WC3
Yeah totally, but you also understand how as someone who never played the game basically none of those complaints actually register to me except the multiplayer one
i don't think they were trying to sell you, specifically, on those complaints and that you should think them too
but that game was definitely a mess when it released that was much lower in quality than initially advertised
Yeah sorry I didn’t mean to make it seem like that it was more of an aside than an actual reply (I just replied cause it was in response to my post)
I definitely get why people were upset by it but my party line since release (cause I had it preordered) was that if you had no real expectations for that game (me) it was actually still a pretty good experience and that has been how I’ve experienced the game
definitely wasn’t meant to downplay that people had a right to be upset with what they’re upset about
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There is a Cataclysm quest in the Badlans where you help a red dragon hatch him from and keep him alive and safe from being corrupted by other black dragons and Deathwing. Reward is a trinket that summons him as a whelp to fight for you for a minute or so.
Then in Mists of Pandaria he hangs out at a bar and gives you quests that let you put sockets and special gems in your weapons and eventually a legendary cloak, all the whole hinting at an incoming demon invasion and trying to escalate the horde vs alluance war because he believes the only way to beat the demons is to have one dominant faction instead of this halfsies deal we have.
Then during WoD he is absent, and in Legion you run into his servants saying we are all douchebags for not consolidating into one faction via warfare, and it's this big mystery of where is he? This continues trough early BfA.
Then in the latest patch he shows up and tells the SW king about N'Zoth, and i guess they had no way to shuehorn this to the horde player any other way than "Valeera was at that meeting so she's just going to tell you what happened". Then you do a quest chain that ends with Wrathion hanging out in the Chamber of Heart (your special BfA necklace), and next step is to kill N'Zoth. And he gives you a legendary cloak again!
Then in the raid,
They are stealthed in Highmountain.
Well, the first interaction I saw between the two involved Anduin punching Wrathion in the face, who responding by making a snide remark and then saying "I guess I might have deserved that."
So uh, yeah, I can absolutely see shippers just taking that dynamic and going nuts.
The way they kept dodging him returning only for him to just kind of come back like it was no big deal was super anticlimactic.
Like it may be saving for an entire expansion, but at the same time BFA was totally the fucking kitchen sink of WoW lore things to tackle in a single expansion, so why not.
Turns out shitting out a billion imps at the speed of light is pretty fun!
Without fail, their leaders die or turn evil every expansion. Every expansion features at least one bad guy group that was at least in some part affiliated with the horde, and some of the racial factions have a rotating cast of leaders who haven't really had much development or done enough for me to care about them. On the flip side, every expansion's Good Guy NPC is aligned somewhat with alliance, and the horde just tags along (Khadgar, Tirion, Magni).
Do alliance players get this same feeling with their leaders, or am I just sour grapes?
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ergo the writing is perfect
We even got the "incase you forgot grom is orc Jesus" when he was crucified in the raid at the end of wod
I still lol about that
Im not dismissing the jesus allegory, but the whole strung up on a cross bit was a direct reference to his lords of war video.
Pretty much every one of the warlords had some callback to their video in WoD somewhere. Like killrogs whole "This is the death I foresaw" being his fathers last words to him or whatever.
Which really makes you curious as to why these videos werent given to the players at any fucking point in the game, like how we got the harbingers in legion.
you expect me to read? what am i some kind of nerd
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Yes
hahaha I dont remember this
the dranei asking if varian is a bitch is amazing
the "look for chests (except Mechagon) ones" and the look for 12 different items in Nazjatar one
not worth the time it takes
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Initial impressions are 1) Spooky drowned witch land is cool as hell, 2) Rogue is a whole lot more fun at 110, I'm enjoying all three specs a lot, and 3) oh my fucking god all of the Alliance characters are fucking nerds. Except for Jania, who is mildly terrifying, but only because she gives off the vibe of someone who would be really into eugenics and racial cleansing. Like, Jania creeps me the fuck out and I'm not entirely sure why.
I kinda want to pick it up just to play through the old single player campaigns, but I can't remember if the game itself was busted or only the multiplayer/online stuff.
I think the complaints were:
- multiplayer has (had? I have no idea) some issues
- they had initially promised all the in-have cutscenes completely redone to a higher standard and they ended up not
- they had initially promised that would make in game city and town layouts match how they look like in WoW but they ended up leaving them how they originally were laid out in WC3
Yeah totally, but you also understand how as someone who never played the game basically none of those complaints actually register to me except the multiplayer one
but that game was definitely a mess when it released that was much lower in quality than initially advertised
I deffo thought her and Thrall were gong to knock boots at some point
Yeah sorry I didn’t mean to make it seem like that it was more of an aside than an actual reply (I just replied cause it was in response to my post)
I definitely get why people were upset by it but my party line since release (cause I had it preordered) was that if you had no real expectations for that game (me) it was actually still a pretty good experience and that has been how I’ve experienced the game
definitely wasn’t meant to downplay that people had a right to be upset with what they’re upset about