Really unfortunate about Saw Gerrera leading the Isis insurgents in hindsight, whoops!
The funny thing is that while it's pronounced Isis on the show, it's been spelled Iziz since it was first made up back in 1993. (I suspected, when I saw the spelling in TOR after they made Onderon a planet in the game, that the spelling was changed so they could say "Nope it's not Isis it's Iziz see" but it always was that way. Onderon is one of those Legends things that was saved from the Great Mouse Adjustment by having been adapted into Clone Wars, but more of it survived intact than I thought.)
Well. They came up with it in 1993. Long before ISIL was a thing
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daveNYCWhy universe hate Waspinator?Registered Userregular
The problem with all the Tatooine in the ST is that they're there for the audience, not the characters. Luke hated the place and it holds a bunch of crappy memories like losing a bar fight, the charred corpses of his aunt, uncle, and a bunch of Jawas, fighting a Rancor, and almost being dumped into the Sarlac. Why would Luke see the twin sunsets as he's dying and why would that bring him peace? You'd think that he'd see wherever he had made his home during happier times or maybe a love interest, but since we know none of those details, we get Tatooine because it's what the audience will recognize.
The RoS scene is even worse. Why would Rey go to live on Tatooine, why would she bring Leia's lightsabre there, why would she take Skywalker as her last name when Organa, Solo, Organa-Solo, and Palpatine would be better choices. Abrams and the nostalgia button.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
Literally his last word on the place is: "There's nothing to see. I used to live here, you know."
Before that, as he was leaving the first time, most of his comments were to express doubt that he'd ever return (or want to).
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Giggles_FunsworthBlight on DiscourseBay Area SprawlRegistered Userregular
The problem with all the Tatooine in the ST is that they're there for the audience, not the characters. Luke hated the place and it holds a bunch of crappy memories like losing a bar fight, the charred corpses of his aunt, uncle, and a bunch of Jawas, fighting a Rancor, and almost being dumped into the Sarlac. Why would Luke see the twin sunsets as he's dying and why would that bring him peace? You'd think that he'd see wherever he had made his home during happier times or maybe a love interest, but since we know none of those details, we get Tatooine because it's what the audience will recognize.
The RoS scene is even worse. Why would Rey go to live on Tatooine, why would she bring Leia's lightsabre there, why would she take Skywalker as her last name when Organa, Solo, Organa-Solo, and Palpatine would be better choices. Abrams and the nostalgia button.
I don't think she went to live on Tatooine dude, she just left the sabers to rest there because it was Luke and his father's ancestral home and Alderaan is an asteroid field. And she took the name to continue their legacy, and Luke and Leia were the closest things to parents she'd ever had. There's a lot that I can be extremely critical of with that movie but that beat really hit for me.
Rey calling herself a Skywalker is only bad part of that scene. Laying the sabers to rest at the remains of the Lars farm was perfectly OK.
(Why the Lars farm was left untouched in 30 some years, I don't know. But that's not something I'll fuss about.)
There's some concept art for an unfilmed scene where she arrives at the farmstead and Tusken raiders are looting the place/living there.
When I first heard of that, I thought a really funny way to end the movie would've been for Rey, upon encountering the Tuskens, to whip out her new lightsaber and *gasp* it's reeeeeeeed!
I dont think there is much evidence that Luke hated Tatooine. But he doesnt see tatooine because he loved it so much. He sees tatooine because his journey is complete.
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daveNYCWhy universe hate Waspinator?Registered Userregular
I dont think there is much evidence that Luke hated Tatooine. But he doesnt see tatooine because he loved it so much. He sees tatooine because his journey is complete.
"Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from."
- L. Skywalker
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
I dont think there is much evidence that Luke hated Tatooine. But he doesnt see tatooine because he loved it so much. He sees tatooine because his journey is complete.
"Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from."
- L. Skywalker
And? A Kid wants to leave his home and go on an adventure. Does not mean he hates his home and still does not negate the actual reason for rememberance... the adventure
I dont think there is much evidence that Luke hated Tatooine. But he doesnt see tatooine because he loved it so much. He sees tatooine because his journey is complete.
"Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from."
- L. Skywalker
And? A Kid wants to leave his home and go on an adventure. Does not mean he hates his home and still does not negate the actual reason for rememberance... the adventure
Unfortunately only the PT has such a crude level of dialogue where the character just says what they're feeling. Though given the importance of bloodlines in the story, I think I could argue that Luke likely inherited Anakin's dislike of sand.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
How the hell is Luke like a father to Rey? He spends the majority of TLJ arguing with her and essentially wanting her to leave his island. Han Solo was a far warmer, far more supportive figure.
In any event, her taking the Skywalker name feels cheap. It's another pointless addition, one made to spite the character development and trajectory that TLJ set up. There was a clear solution - having the Skywalker legacy end with Kylo, and Rey recognizing that her comrades are the family she so desperately craved. For extra bold flavor, have Poe and Finn become a couple.
But, yeah, it's okay to have the Skywalker lineage end. Or, you could add to Luke's legend by calling any future light side Force users Skywalkers. Where it's a title, not a name. Regardless, there's better options than having her adopt herself into the family.
I maybe would have had a completely different movie, but I actually think part way through the last film if there’d been a fight scene where Fin, Ben and Rey kept swapping laser swords, and Rey kept the red one for the rest of it that’d be neat.
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The problem with all the Tatooine in the ST is that they're there for the audience, not the characters. Luke hated the place and it holds a bunch of crappy memories like losing a bar fight, the charred corpses of his aunt, uncle, and a bunch of Jawas, fighting a Rancor, and almost being dumped into the Sarlac. Why would Luke see the twin sunsets as he's dying and why would that bring him peace? You'd think that he'd see wherever he had made his home during happier times or maybe a love interest, but since we know none of those details, we get Tatooine because it's what the audience will recognize.
The RoS scene is even worse. Why would Rey go to live on Tatooine, why would she bring Leia's lightsabre there, why would she take Skywalker as her last name when Organa, Solo, Organa-Solo, and Palpatine would be better choices. Abrams and the nostalgia button.
I don't think she went to live on Tatooine dude, she just left the sabers to rest there because it was Luke and his father's ancestral home and Alderaan is an asteroid field. And she took the name to continue their legacy, and Luke and Leia were the closest things to parents she'd ever had. There's a lot that I can be extremely critical of with that movie but that beat really hit for me.
The title of the track on the score is A New Home, and traditionally Williams receives a copy of the script so he can better score the movie.
It might have been nice to see that Rey spent the time after TLJ training some new people. Then a big fight with Rey and her new Jedi vs. Kylo and the Knights of Ren...
I wonder if they had the last scene in mind when they came up with the title, or if they had the title first, and worked back from there.
Rian Johnson said he didn't use the Knights of Ren for the big TLJ fight scene because he looked at the materials on them and felt like they deserved a bit of characterization and exploration to them, not just having them all job a single fight.
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“ In the latest issue, Ren (yes, Ren is a person), Ben Solo and the Knights are on Minemoon of Mimban hunting an artifact called the Mindsplinter. Solo witnesses his new mentor kill innocent miners despite the assurances he would release them after getting the information they needed. Soon after, two Jedi trainees who were friends with Ben ambush him. As one of his former classmates tries to convince Ben he can still change his mind and come back to the Jedi, Ren snaps his neck with the force. Ren tells Ben that Snoke was wrong about his potential and the two start an intense lightsaber fight - which ends with Ben thrusting a lightsaber through Ren's chest.
By killing Ren, Ben has a choice. He could return to his path as a Jedi or finish what Ren started. He immediately encounters the other young Jedi, and proclaims that "I'm a murderer, remember?" as he lunges Ren's red lightsaber through her chest. The Knights of Ren see all this unfold and bow down to their new leader. Defeating Ren and killing the Jedi showed the Knights that Ben was the real deal and he now has their undivided loyalty. The comic ends with Ben forming his crossguard lightsaber and accepting his fate as Kylo Ren.”
If nothing else, it makes me want a story where a ragtag band of heroes are in a race against time with a ragtag band of villains, with a lot of crossover between their goals and views. Imagine if Ben and Hux had a Poe and Fin, a Chewie and BB8, and they stuck together for three movies.
I maintain that if Fin and Rey had been given equal standing as the protagonist, and we followed Ben’s own journey as a third protagonist they could have really explored the themes they were circling.
Rey can’t side with Ben as the single hero, but with Fin as another Force user (perhaps with all the subtler power, leaving Rey a ‘brute force’ user) we could at least play with it a little.
Seriously, it looks like they were designed by a five-year-old. All black, all masks, no details showing a personal history. Just get a child and asks them to draw scary people, and you get this.
If nothing else, it makes me want a story where a ragtag band of heroes are in a race against time with a ragtag band of villains, with a lot of crossover between their goals and views. Imagine if Ben and Hux had a Poe and Fin, a Chewie and BB8, and they stuck together for three movies.
I can be down with this.
What if RoS was a race between the heroes and the Knights of Ren for the Sith Wayfinder?
What does it do? What does it lead to? Ehhh... Haven't worked that out.
But a galactic treasure-hunt/race would have been fantastic.
If nothing else, it makes me want a story where a ragtag band of heroes are in a race against time with a ragtag band of villains, with a lot of crossover between their goals and views. Imagine if Ben and Hux had a Poe and Fin, a Chewie and BB8, and they stuck together for three movies.
I can be down with this.
What if RoS was a race between the heroes and the Knights of Ren for the Sith Wayfinder?
What does it do? What does it lead to? Ehhh... Haven't worked that out.
But a galactic treasure-hunt/race would have been fantastic.
You know that nonsense fleet Grandad had... How about he was 4D chess enough to have the beginnings of a spare fleet being built outside known space, but he died before he could use it?
For Ben it’s simply stopping the rebels from getting new ships, for them it’s arming themselves after TLJ.
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The funny thing is that while it's pronounced Isis on the show, it's been spelled Iziz since it was first made up back in 1993. (I suspected, when I saw the spelling in TOR after they made Onderon a planet in the game, that the spelling was changed so they could say "Nope it's not Isis it's Iziz see" but it always was that way. Onderon is one of those Legends things that was saved from the Great Mouse Adjustment by having been adapted into Clone Wars, but more of it survived intact than I thought.)
that's worse than Jizz
The RoS scene is even worse. Why would Rey go to live on Tatooine, why would she bring Leia's lightsabre there, why would she take Skywalker as her last name when Organa, Solo, Organa-Solo, and Palpatine would be better choices. Abrams and the nostalgia button.
Before that, as he was leaving the first time, most of his comments were to express doubt that he'd ever return (or want to).
The show came out a couple years before they made it big on the world stage too.
But we were watching it and I was like "They're insurgents in where?!" 👀
I don't think she went to live on Tatooine dude, she just left the sabers to rest there because it was Luke and his father's ancestral home and Alderaan is an asteroid field. And she took the name to continue their legacy, and Luke and Leia were the closest things to parents she'd ever had. There's a lot that I can be extremely critical of with that movie but that beat really hit for me.
(Why the Lars farm was left untouched in 30 some years, I don't know. But that's not something I'll fuss about.)
There's some concept art for an unfilmed scene where she arrives at the farmstead and Tusken raiders are looting the place/living there.
When I first heard of that, I thought a really funny way to end the movie would've been for Rey, upon encountering the Tuskens, to whip out her new lightsaber and *gasp* it's reeeeeeeed!
"Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from."
- L. Skywalker
And? A Kid wants to leave his home and go on an adventure. Does not mean he hates his home and still does not negate the actual reason for rememberance... the adventure
Its a normal human feeling, I think.
Unfortunately only the PT has such a crude level of dialogue where the character just says what they're feeling. Though given the importance of bloodlines in the story, I think I could argue that Luke likely inherited Anakin's dislike of sand.
In any event, her taking the Skywalker name feels cheap. It's another pointless addition, one made to spite the character development and trajectory that TLJ set up. There was a clear solution - having the Skywalker legacy end with Kylo, and Rey recognizing that her comrades are the family she so desperately craved. For extra bold flavor, have Poe and Finn become a couple.
But, yeah, it's okay to have the Skywalker lineage end. Or, you could add to Luke's legend by calling any future light side Force users Skywalkers. Where it's a title, not a name. Regardless, there's better options than having her adopt herself into the family.
The title of the track on the score is A New Home, and traditionally Williams receives a copy of the script so he can better score the movie.
I wonder if they had the last scene in mind when they came up with the title, or if they had the title first, and worked back from there.
Look at these storm troopers that rolled in black paint and dirt.
Who the fuck is Ren? Why should I care? Who are these assholes, anyway? What’s their deal? No? Nothing?
Do they even have names other than, “random asshole with a stick” and “similar random asshole but wearing a cape?”
Yeah, they’re just randos.
In fact Ben probably paid people to dress up so it looked like he had pals.
"Stimpy cheated! I wrote that poem!"
-Ren
It was in the tie in comics.
And having read them, no, no one should care.
*looks at TROS then looks directly at the camera*
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By killing Ren, Ben has a choice. He could return to his path as a Jedi or finish what Ren started. He immediately encounters the other young Jedi, and proclaims that "I'm a murderer, remember?" as he lunges Ren's red lightsaber through her chest. The Knights of Ren see all this unfold and bow down to their new leader. Defeating Ren and killing the Jedi showed the Knights that Ben was the real deal and he now has their undivided loyalty. The comic ends with Ben forming his crossguard lightsaber and accepting his fate as Kylo Ren.”
TLDR the knights of ren were always jobbers
I maintain that if Fin and Rey had been given equal standing as the protagonist, and we followed Ben’s own journey as a third protagonist they could have really explored the themes they were circling.
Rey can’t side with Ben as the single hero, but with Fin as another Force user (perhaps with all the subtler power, leaving Rey a ‘brute force’ user) we could at least play with it a little.
It fits with their personalities and backstories.
Fun fact if you use a free filter app on your phone you can make their designs 20% better.
I'm leaning towards contractual obligations to tell the story.
I can be down with this.
What if RoS was a race between the heroes and the Knights of Ren for the Sith Wayfinder?
What does it do? What does it lead to? Ehhh... Haven't worked that out.
But a galactic treasure-hunt/race would have been fantastic.
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You know that nonsense fleet Grandad had... How about he was 4D chess enough to have the beginnings of a spare fleet being built outside known space, but he died before he could use it?
For Ben it’s simply stopping the rebels from getting new ships, for them it’s arming themselves after TLJ.
:whistle: It started when a Smuggler's Kid was trained by Skywalker... :whistle:
Like the Ginyu Force.
Although, if I am being honest, I judge most b-tier villain teams by the Ginyu Force.
The Knights still had Too much Ren merch left to sell