The council won't do that and she knows it. I don't know with whom she's trying to curry favor in this move.
If her goal is to get Sawant off the council, she'd be better off issuing statements about how inappropriate and inexplicable it is to use CHOP security murdering two unarmed black kids as a talking point for her tax on Amazon, and just keeping up the pressure every time Sawant says something dumber than the last time.
Incidentally, while I am not 100% on Sawant, she has earned so much freaking credit with me from this.
I think she's an idiot who looks at everything through just one lens, but if her constituents want to keep re-electing her, I'm not in a position to tell them what to do. I'll just think less of them for it.
On the other hand, Durkan _is_ supposed to be representing me, and she's done a lot of damage.
Incidentally, while I am not 100% on Sawant, she has earned so much freaking credit with me from this.
I think she's an idiot who looks at everything through just one lens, but if her constituents want to keep re-electing her, I'm not in a position to tell them what to do. I'll just think less of them for it.
On the other hand, Durkan _is_ supposed to be representing me, and she's done a lot of damage.
Definitely far from perfect, and I did put a lot of thought into my last vote for her, but her competition is more corporate-owned Durkanites, so lesser evil etc. All in all, I'm glad she's around even if I don't agree with all of her positions or actions.
Incidentally, while I am not 100% on Sawant, she has earned so much freaking credit with me from this.
I think she's an idiot who looks at everything through just one lens, but if her constituents want to keep re-electing her, I'm not in a position to tell them what to do. I'll just think less of them for it.
On the other hand, Durkan _is_ supposed to be representing me, and she's done a lot of damage.
When you're a socialist its not one lense, its the lense. Complaints that socialists look at everything through the lense of class and capitalism feel like complaints that liberals make everything about race.
Sawant is the closest ally the protesters have in government. Durkan was always going to retaliate and Sawabt likely wont be the last target.
Which protestors? She's actively trying to judo black people being murdered into "we must tax Amazon." If there's ever been a valid complaint about BLM being co-opted by people who are claiming to be allies for their own pet causes, there you have one.
That being said, you aren't wrong. She is the closest ally they have in government.
Sawant is the closest ally the protesters have in government. Durkan was always going to retaliate and Sawabt likely wont be the last target.
Which protestors? She's actively trying to judo black people being murdered into "we must tax Amazon." If there's ever been a valid complaint about BLM being co-opted by people who are claiming to be allies for their own pet causes, there you have one.
That being said, you aren't wrong. She is the closest ally they have in government.
Dude. She was out there with us when the cops were attacking people. She let the protesters into city hall. She led the call for Durkan to resign. She's risked her safety and career to support change for black americans.
But shit, she linked crime to capitalism, maybe the most anodyne talking point in the entire socialist lexicon so boooo
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And her Tax Amazon drive is about low-income housing, which is no less important to Black futures than abolishing the police.
Sawant is the closest ally the protesters have in government. Durkan was always going to retaliate and Sawabt likely wont be the last target.
Which protestors? She's actively trying to judo black people being murdered into "we must tax Amazon." If there's ever been a valid complaint about BLM being co-opted by people who are claiming to be allies for their own pet causes, there you have one.
That being said, you aren't wrong. She is the closest ally they have in government.
Dude. She was out there with us when the cops were attacking people. She let the protesters into city hall. She led the call for Durkan to resign. She's risked her safety and career to support change for black americans.
But shit, she linked crime to capitalism, maybe the most anodyne talking point in the entire socialist lexicon so boooo
And her Tax Amazon drive is about low-income housing, which is no less important to Black futures than abolishing the police.
And is especially important because Seattle is developing its own San Francisco-style rot, where the people that work retail there have zero chance of being able to afford to live there.
It's not some crazy criticism to say that movements putting class first have historically left racial minorities behind?
Like especially in America which is just steeped in racism, playing the working class against itself along racial lines.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Welp, someone in Auburn lost most of the fingers on their left hand, so Fourth of July is well and truly here.
Yick.
I made sure to warn all my FB friends that Thursday night through Sunday is probably going to just be an incredibly bad time to be outside with all the covid spreading during fireworks nonsense.
Going to be an especially rough year for pets and ERs, too.
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Welp, someone in Auburn lost most of the fingers on their left hand, so Fourth of July is well and truly here.
Yick.
I made sure to warn all my FB friends that Thursday night through Sunday is probably going to just be an incredibly bad time to be outside with all the covid spreading during fireworks nonsense.
Going to be an especially rough year for pets and ERs, too.
And my poor daughter, who is terrified of the noise. The last couple days have been real rough.
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I will remain on record as disapproving of candidates who run for a district position, focus on at-large issues, and campaign on slogans statutorily prohibited at the state level.
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
It's not some crazy criticism to say that movements putting class first have historically left racial minorities behind?
Like especially in America which is just steeped in racism, playing the working class against itself along racial lines.
Its a pretty crazy criticism when the subject is a poc socialist laying it on the line for racial justice while the struggle is getting a bunch of ostensibly liberal white people on board, yes
I will remain on record as disapproving of candidates who run for a district position, focus on at-large issues, and campaign on slogans statutorily prohibited at the state level.
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
"Tax Amazon" is a slogan for raising taxes on a whole host of companies. The government has every right to insutute, say, a head tax.
It's not some crazy criticism to say that movements putting class first have historically left racial minorities behind?
Like especially in America which is just steeped in racism, playing the working class against itself along racial lines.
Its a pretty crazy criticism when the subject is a poc socialist laying it on the line for racial justice while the struggle is getting a bunch of ostensibly liberal white people on board, yes
Councilmember Kshama Sawant said during a council briefing the shooting “highlights the urgency to address the endemic violence in our society under capitalism.”
This is the thing I'm talking about.
I wouldn't call that "laying it on the line for racial justice".
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I will remain on record as disapproving of candidates who run for a district position, focus on at-large issues, and campaign on slogans statutorily prohibited at the state level.
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
"Tax Amazon" is a slogan for raising taxes on a whole host of companies. The government has every right to insutute, say, a head tax.
Was there ever an explanation for the flat tax instead of a graduated tax?
I will remain on record as disapproving of candidates who run for a district position, focus on at-large issues, and campaign on slogans statutorily prohibited at the state level.
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
"Tax Amazon" is a slogan for raising taxes on a whole host of companies. The government has every right to insutute, say, a head tax.
Was there ever an explanation for the flat tax instead of a graduated tax?
Because our stupid state constitution won't allow progressive taxes?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
It's not some crazy criticism to say that movements putting class first have historically left racial minorities behind?
Like especially in America which is just steeped in racism, playing the working class against itself along racial lines.
Its a pretty crazy criticism when the subject is a poc socialist laying it on the line for racial justice while the struggle is getting a bunch of ostensibly liberal white people on board, yes
Councilmember Kshama Sawant said during a council briefing the shooting “highlights the urgency to address the endemic violence in our society under capitalism.”
This is the thing I'm talking about.
I wouldn't call that "laying it on the line for racial justice".
Sawant's contribution to the cause does not begin or end with her desire to dismantle capitalism. Did you not know she was the one who let protesters into city hall? That she was leading early calls for Durkan's resignation? I saw her personally on the streets trying to get the cops to calm down.
Remarks about how socialists miss the mark on race particularly rankle here, because like I said, they're being employed against a poc woman doing her best to fight against a white liberal establishment in service of racial justice.
It all makes the criticsm of socialists feel more like a liberal catechism than any kind of real evaluation.
I will remain on record as disapproving of candidates who run for a district position, focus on at-large issues, and campaign on slogans statutorily prohibited at the state level.
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
"Tax Amazon" is a slogan for raising taxes on a whole host of companies. The government has every right to insutute, say, a head tax.
Was there ever an explanation for the flat tax instead of a graduated tax?
Because our stupid state constitution won't allow progressive taxes?
What, seriously? WA forces all taxes to be flat taxes?
I will remain on record as disapproving of candidates who run for a district position, focus on at-large issues, and campaign on slogans statutorily prohibited at the state level.
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
"Tax Amazon" is a slogan for raising taxes on a whole host of companies. The government has every right to insutute, say, a head tax.
Was there ever an explanation for the flat tax instead of a graduated tax?
Because our stupid state constitution won't allow progressive taxes?
What, seriously? WA forces all taxes to be flat taxes?
iirc I think the constitutional language is specifically for if we ever implemented an income tax
which is why you have weird end-runs like the head tax which are way unpopular because they're unusual
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I will remain on record as disapproving of candidates who run for a district position, focus on at-large issues, and campaign on slogans statutorily prohibited at the state level.
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
"Tax Amazon" is a slogan for raising taxes on a whole host of companies. The government has every right to insutute, say, a head tax.
Was there ever an explanation for the flat tax instead of a graduated tax?
Because our stupid state constitution won't allow progressive taxes?
What, seriously? WA forces all taxes to be flat taxes?
iirc I think the constitutional language is specifically for if we ever implemented an income tax
which is why you have weird end-runs like the head tax which are way unpopular because they're unusual
Geeze, I wasn't aware there was that boneheaded restriction. This state is so backwards still.
I always found the head tax to be absurd because it completely ignored the "value" of a given worker, I didn't realize it was the state's own fault that the only options were absurd ones.
It's not some crazy criticism to say that movements putting class first have historically left racial minorities behind?
Like especially in America which is just steeped in racism, playing the working class against itself along racial lines.
Its a pretty crazy criticism when the subject is a poc socialist laying it on the line for racial justice while the struggle is getting a bunch of ostensibly liberal white people on board, yes
Councilmember Kshama Sawant said during a council briefing the shooting “highlights the urgency to address the endemic violence in our society under capitalism.”
This is the thing I'm talking about.
I wouldn't call that "laying it on the line for racial justice".
Sawant's contribution to the cause does not begin or end with her desire to dismantle capitalism. Did you not know she was the one who let protesters into city hall? That she was leading early calls for Durkan's resignation? I saw her personally on the streets trying to get the cops to calm down.
Remarks about how socialists miss the mark on race particularly rankle here, because like I said, they're being employed against a poc woman doing her best to fight against a white liberal establishment in service of racial justice.
It all makes the criticsm of socialists feel more like a liberal catechism than any kind of real evaluation.
I mean, do you think what she said there was dumb?
The thing the rankles on my side is that your comments give the appearance that Sawant is beyond criticism, that supporting the main cause of dethroning capitalism absolves you from having your motives questioned.
Like... that's the criticism, that she isn't actually putting racial justice first. Like yes she's here supporting a movement for racial justice but is also using it to advance her own platform of issues that aren't related to racism in policing.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
It's not some crazy criticism to say that movements putting class first have historically left racial minorities behind?
Like especially in America which is just steeped in racism, playing the working class against itself along racial lines.
Its a pretty crazy criticism when the subject is a poc socialist laying it on the line for racial justice while the struggle is getting a bunch of ostensibly liberal white people on board, yes
Councilmember Kshama Sawant said during a council briefing the shooting “highlights the urgency to address the endemic violence in our society under capitalism.”
This is the thing I'm talking about.
I wouldn't call that "laying it on the line for racial justice".
Sawant's contribution to the cause does not begin or end with her desire to dismantle capitalism. Did you not know she was the one who let protesters into city hall? That she was leading early calls for Durkan's resignation? I saw her personally on the streets trying to get the cops to calm down.
Remarks about how socialists miss the mark on race particularly rankle here, because like I said, they're being employed against a poc woman doing her best to fight against a white liberal establishment in service of racial justice.
It all makes the criticsm of socialists feel more like a liberal catechism than any kind of real evaluation.
I mean, do you think what she said there was dumb?
The thing the rankles on my side is that your comments give the appearance that Sawant is beyond criticism, that supporting the main cause of dethroning capitalism absolves you from having your motives questioned.
Like... that's the criticism, that she isn't actually putting racial justice first. Like yes she's here supporting a movement for racial justice but is also using it to advance her own platform of issues that aren't related to racism in policing.
If marching, protesting, risking career and safety isnt putting racial justice first because you still made an off hand remark about alleviating violence by ending capitalism then what the fuck do words mean? Is this true of all the protesters who want both racial justice and to end capitalism?
There are so many moving targets that it seems like leftists arent meant to ever hit.
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If her goal is to get Sawant off the council, she'd be better off issuing statements about how inappropriate and inexplicable it is to use CHOP security murdering two unarmed black kids as a talking point for her tax on Amazon, and just keeping up the pressure every time Sawant says something dumber than the last time.
Better yet, Durkan could resign.
"The Gall of that (Brown) woman to ask me questions, in MY OWN CITY!? Investigate HER!"
I see that Mayor Durkan has been getting pointers , from orange Dear Leader, on how to get rid of meddlesome Priest.
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I think she's an idiot who looks at everything through just one lens, but if her constituents want to keep re-electing her, I'm not in a position to tell them what to do. I'll just think less of them for it.
On the other hand, Durkan _is_ supposed to be representing me, and she's done a lot of damage.
Definitely far from perfect, and I did put a lot of thought into my last vote for her, but her competition is more corporate-owned Durkanites, so lesser evil etc. All in all, I'm glad she's around even if I don't agree with all of her positions or actions.
When you're a socialist its not one lense, its the lense. Complaints that socialists look at everything through the lense of class and capitalism feel like complaints that liberals make everything about race.
How could we not? Its the sea we all swim in.
Which protestors? She's actively trying to judo black people being murdered into "we must tax Amazon." If there's ever been a valid complaint about BLM being co-opted by people who are claiming to be allies for their own pet causes, there you have one.
That being said, you aren't wrong. She is the closest ally they have in government.
Dude. She was out there with us when the cops were attacking people. She let the protesters into city hall. She led the call for Durkan to resign. She's risked her safety and career to support change for black americans.
But shit, she linked crime to capitalism, maybe the most anodyne talking point in the entire socialist lexicon so boooo
I didn't question her commitment to socialism.
And is especially important because Seattle is developing its own San Francisco-style rot, where the people that work retail there have zero chance of being able to afford to live there.
We did it, guys!
You did that. Youre the one who brought up this tangent. Come on.
Well, Sawant did. I brought it up here, since we were talking about her.
I mean, it's the Washington thread, not the police brutality thread.
You did it. You proved your irrelevant point by doing the thing you said was going to happen.
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Like especially in America which is just steeped in racism, playing the working class against itself along racial lines.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Yick.
I made sure to warn all my FB friends that Thursday night through Sunday is probably going to just be an incredibly bad time to be outside with all the covid spreading during fireworks nonsense.
Going to be an especially rough year for pets and ERs, too.
And my poor daughter, who is terrified of the noise. The last couple days have been real rough.
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Steam: Korvalain
This is completely independent of my feelings on rent control; it's clearly not a panacea as we can see in SF/NYC, but that's as may be as long as it's explicitly prohibited by WA state. (https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=35.21.830) As for "Tax Amazon!" I have yet to see a coherent proposal on what comprises "Amazon" for these purposes, and how and what the tax should be collected on, and under what authority. (And I have FEELINGS about "well we should just do it anyway".)
Its a pretty crazy criticism when the subject is a poc socialist laying it on the line for racial justice while the struggle is getting a bunch of ostensibly liberal white people on board, yes
"Tax Amazon" is a slogan for raising taxes on a whole host of companies. The government has every right to insutute, say, a head tax.
This is the thing I'm talking about.
I wouldn't call that "laying it on the line for racial justice".
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Was there ever an explanation for the flat tax instead of a graduated tax?
Because our stupid state constitution won't allow progressive taxes?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Sawant's contribution to the cause does not begin or end with her desire to dismantle capitalism. Did you not know she was the one who let protesters into city hall? That she was leading early calls for Durkan's resignation? I saw her personally on the streets trying to get the cops to calm down.
Remarks about how socialists miss the mark on race particularly rankle here, because like I said, they're being employed against a poc woman doing her best to fight against a white liberal establishment in service of racial justice.
It all makes the criticsm of socialists feel more like a liberal catechism than any kind of real evaluation.
What, seriously? WA forces all taxes to be flat taxes?
iirc I think the constitutional language is specifically for if we ever implemented an income tax
which is why you have weird end-runs like the head tax which are way unpopular because they're unusual
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Geeze, I wasn't aware there was that boneheaded restriction. This state is so backwards still.
I always found the head tax to be absurd because it completely ignored the "value" of a given worker, I didn't realize it was the state's own fault that the only options were absurd ones.
Thanks for the info.
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I mean, do you think what she said there was dumb?
The thing the rankles on my side is that your comments give the appearance that Sawant is beyond criticism, that supporting the main cause of dethroning capitalism absolves you from having your motives questioned.
Like... that's the criticism, that she isn't actually putting racial justice first. Like yes she's here supporting a movement for racial justice but is also using it to advance her own platform of issues that aren't related to racism in policing.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
If marching, protesting, risking career and safety isnt putting racial justice first because you still made an off hand remark about alleviating violence by ending capitalism then what the fuck do words mean? Is this true of all the protesters who want both racial justice and to end capitalism?
There are so many moving targets that it seems like leftists arent meant to ever hit.
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