Under Kathleen Kennedy we got a god tier Star Wars movie with The Last Jedi, an actually good nostalgia trip with Rogue One, and a fun space romp with Force Awakens, not to mention Mandalorian and the continuation of the Clone Wars series and Rebels. The only trip up was RoS and to a lesser extent Solo, but that was still pretty fun for what it was. I'm willing to cut her a bit of slack.
"god tier" is a bit of a stretch, but even taking that for granted ~2 out of 5 is not a great batting average.
While the redemption they went with was definitely dumb, Kylo was introduced to us in TFA as desperately trying to resist the "call of the Light". They set up from the off that he was having to consciously choose to be an evil little shit.
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While the redemption they went with was definitely dumb, Kylo was introduced to us in TFA as desperately trying to resist the "call of the Light". They set up from the off that he was having to consciously choose to be an evil little shit.
I mean, yes, generally speaking being evil is a choice. At least according to most of our conceptions of ethics and free will (however half-baked they may be).
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The ST's handling of the Force and personal choices was just... abysmal. Ben's big "failing" is being targeted by a Dark Side user, after which point he apparently has no personal choice, everything he does is because he's being controlled. Then the "hold" is broken, TA-DA! Suddenly he's an independent person again and nothing was his fault! And then for Rey, it doesn't seem to matter at all if she's pissed off or just determined, she's randomly going to either be immune to the Dark Side, angrily using the Light Side, or fire off Force lightning with zero training and zero actual consequences. She basically has her own version of the Force with zero consistency to it.
The Dark Side is supposed to be appealing because it's easy but dangerous because it's destructive. It's a choice, not a matter of having it jump you in your sleep and suddenly you're infected by the Dark Side and lose all free will. You can recover from using it but it always leaves a mark, there are no free passes to giving the Dark Side a spin without penalties.
The Force is more like some kind of free-floating parasite in the ST over anything else, just taking over lives and cutting out any kind of personal choice or consequence from the story.
If anyone thought there was no chance at all of Ben Solo, Han and Leia’s only child, getting—at worst—a Vader-like redemption (turns back to the Light and dies right away), I would question if they ever saw a Star Wars before.
There was obviously a chance of it because Kylo Ren is explicitly a wannabe Vader and so Vader's arc looms large over his entire character. And alo just the general trend toward nostalgia and fanservice and all that stuff. But in terms of the story, TLJ addresses the issue and shuts the door pretty damn firmly on the whole idea. The obviousness of the whole thing is why it does that. It's pretty clear Johnson and co knew this was a thing floating around that the story needed to address at some point and they decided to tackle it head-on and resolve it.
And then TROS goes back to that well because, well, it's a badly written film that wants to either undo or ignore the previous entry in the trilogy.
I still think a redemption would have been possible, it would just have to have actual effort being put into it.
I could see a valid criticism of TLJ being that it wasted time on blocking out a lazy redemption that it could have spent setting up a better one, but that's kind of rendered irrelevant by RoS just going for the lazy redemption anyway.
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The whole Kylo being set up for redemption is anither reason I dislike the ST! He's a fucking school shooter writ large. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Vader's redemption wasn't about Vader, but Luke. We cared about what Vader was doing, felt that conflict, through the lens of Luke Skywalker's efforts. There isn't any "Is Vader actually a good boy?", it's "Is Luke right that a spark of Anakin remains?"
But in the ST, we don't really have an anchor for that redemption arc, so it becomes much more "well, Kylo might actually be good, maybe?", which doesn't work when he's murdered billions. This is one of the more egregious errors the ST made, narrativewise.
If anyone thought there was no chance at all of Ben Solo, Han and Leia’s only child, getting—at worst—a Vader-like redemption (turns back to the Light and dies right away), I would question if they ever saw a Star Wars before.
There was obviously a chance of it because Kylo Ren is explicitly a wannabe Vader and so Vader's arc looms large over his entire character. And alo just the general trend toward nostalgia and fanservice and all that stuff. But in terms of the story, TLJ addresses the issue and shuts the door pretty damn firmly on the whole idea. The obviousness of the whole thing is why it does that. It's pretty clear Johnson and co knew this was a thing floating around that the story needed to address at some point and they decided to tackle it head-on and resolve it.
And then TROS goes back to that well because, well, it's a badly written film that wants to either undo or ignore the previous entry in the trilogy.
I still think a redemption would have been possible, it would just have to have actual effort being put into it.
I could see a valid criticism of TLJ being that it wasted time on blocking out a lazy redemption that it could have spent setting up a better one, but that's kind of rendered irrelevant by RoS just going for the lazy redemption anyway.
It wasn't really wasting time. TLJ addresses the idea of Kylo Ren's redemption as part of the story it's telling about Rey (and also Kylo Ren himself). It's not just randomly thrown in solely for the purpose of shutting that door. It's yet another point in the film where Rey is forced to define her identity for herself rather then latching on to someone else. And it highlights that Kylo Ren isn't bad just because Snoke is whispering in his ear. He can move beyond Snoke and Vader and the old ideology of the Sith, but that doesn't make him a good person.
Also the idea that Kylo could be redeemed was not originated in TLJ it was originated in TFA. Han literally goes to redeem him. They talk about how it was all snokes fault and not their baby boy the whole time.
Also the idea that Kylo could be redeemed was not originated in TLJ it was originated in TFA. Han literally goes to redeem him. They talk about how it was all snokes fault and not their baby boy the whole time.
And TROS suggests JJ believed that was a thing. That it was all the bad mentor's fault. Whereas TLJ suggests Johnson viewed Kylo Ren himself as being the problem.
Kylo Ren was only "redeemable" through some sort of bullshit Force magic that is not explained in even the vaguest terms and is presented in such a badly-edited manner that you have no idea what the fuck is going on, other than Leia dies from it, because I guess making someone who's really bad really good is as taxing as bringing someone dead back to life? Oooh, maybe that's it! It's a metaphor!*
*We don't actually understand what a metaphor is.
Kylo Ren had no "redemption arc" at all. They just flipped a switch from "evil" to "good" and called it a redemption.
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Under Kathleen Kennedy we got a god tier Star Wars movie with The Last Jedi, an actually good nostalgia trip with Rogue One, and a fun space romp with Force Awakens, not to mention Mandalorian and the continuation of the Clone Wars series and Rebels. The only trip up was RoS and to a lesser extent Solo, but that was still pretty fun for what it was. I'm willing to cut her a bit of slack.
"god tier" is a bit of a stretch, but even taking that for granted ~2 out of 5 is not a great batting average.
Yes it is? That’s .400 and is basically superhuman.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
Nobody really cares about TFA because it's a huge kind of boring retread. We all agreed at the time it was just not terrible but I've felt absolutely no compulsion to re-watch it ever.
Rogue One was great and I have it on Blu-ray.
TLJ is the last coherent attempt at new story making in the Star Wars universe and let's be real: Pacific Rim has a more coherent and purposeful second act then TLJ (casino planet) before completely squandering every possibly interesting plothook into the third movie.
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I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
I saw that rumor, and no, just no. Disney, you crapped up the ST, accept it and move on. Though I guess there'd be something poetic about cribbing Abram's alternate timeline schtick from Trek '09 to (effectively) unmake two of his movies.
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Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
The hilarious thing is, even if they would do something that crazy, we won’t be getting anyone back for do-over. Well, maybe Luke. But I’m pretty sure none of the new cast would be coming back. For some people, this may be the point.
So now we’re either in a timeline where Han and Leia are already dead, they don’t exist on-camera, or we’ve jumped down the timeline to the future.
And if you’re gonna do option 3, why even retcon the ST?
The problem is that the ST dismantled most of the existing universe while leaving behind nothing new to build off of. The current timeline is pretty much over. They can always make new things up, but anything they do might as well be an alternate universe for all that it matters.
I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
A rumor from some random dude who willingly calls himself "Doomcock" and says the seeds for this move have already been planted because... mirrors exist.
I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
A rumor from some random dude who willingly calls himself "Doomcock" and says the seeds for this move have already been planted because... mirrors exist.
Oh internet, never change.
I definitely place little credence in it, I was just amused that the content of the rumour is "Disney might erase the ST" and it was reported as "Disney might erase TLJ".
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They had their one chance to finish things with the original cast and they’ve forever fucked it up.
It’s time to do something new with a vast universe full of stories to tell.
There's really no reason to erase the ST at this point. If they don't like the characters or the story they can just do a time skip. ROS didn't really say much about what comes next anyway.
There's really no reason to erase the ST at this point. If they don't like the characters or the story they can just do a time skip. ROS didn't really say much about what comes next anyway.
My guess is, what comes next is a new Sith-led despotic superpower with a massive planet-destroying weapon will rise from the ashes of the First Order but will be defeated by a rag-tag resistance movement involving exactly one Jedi.
I mean, they could just copy Legacy. Cade Skywalker is more or less the platonic ideal of a Jedi that does not care about destiny, and learn to become calm and let go of his anger, to the point of turning a dark side power into a light side one.
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There's really no reason to erase the ST at this point. If they don't like the characters or the story they can just do a time skip. ROS didn't really say much about what comes next anyway.
My guess is, what comes next is a new Sith-led despotic superpower with a massive planet-destroying weapon will rise from the ashes of the First Order but will be defeated by a rag-tag resistance movement involving exactly one Jedi.
I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
A rumor from some random dude who willingly calls himself "Doomcock" and says the seeds for this move have already been planted because... mirrors exist.
Oh internet, never change.
Reminds me of when I used to visit the TFN forums during the prequel era. There was some guy by the name of Shadow-something (don't remember exactly) who made his own website that claimed he had the leaked script of whatever the next movie was in the trilogy. The 'leak' was, of course, his own cringe fan fiction, including a scantily clad female Twi'lek Sith apprentice who would try to seduce Anakin (because that's the kind of thing Lucas was known for, lawl). The guy was smart enough to rewrite his fiction to include what was revealed in actual leaks as they were revealed, but he always kept that seduction segment.
What was really funny/sad was the number of people who fell for it and believed him despite how obviously bullshit it was. Of course, a lot of the same people believed that Palpatine was a non-Force using clone of Sidious right up until RotS, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I feel like I would have really gotten along with a movie that had Finn not end up as a Jedi, but as a competent dude who rocked a lightsaber occasionally anyway. Maybe that's heresy?
The time jump between TLJ and TROS should have been long enough for Rey to have some new Jedi training, even if they weren’t all rocking lightsabers yet.
Rey and her Jedi vs Kylo and his Knights should have been the big melee action sequence.
I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
A rumor from some random dude who willingly calls himself "Doomcock" and says the seeds for this move have already been planted because... mirrors exist.
Oh internet, never change.
Reminds me of when I used to visit the TFN forums during the prequel era. There was some guy by the name of Shadow-something (don't remember exactly) who made his own website that claimed he had the leaked script of whatever the next movie was in the trilogy. The 'leak' was, of course, his own cringe fan fiction, including a scantily clad female Twi'lek Sith apprentice who would try to seduce Anakin (because that's the kind of thing Lucas was known for, lawl). The guy was smart enough to rewrite his fiction to include what was revealed in actual leaks as they were revealed, but he always kept that seduction segment.
What was really funny/sad was the number of people who fell for it and believed him despite how obviously bullshit it was. Of course, a lot of the same people believed that Palpatine was a non-Force using clone of Sidious right up until RotS, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
A rumor from some random dude who willingly calls himself "Doomcock" and says the seeds for this move have already been planted because... mirrors exist.
Oh internet, never change.
Reminds me of when I used to visit the TFN forums during the prequel era. There was some guy by the name of Shadow-something (don't remember exactly) who made his own website that claimed he had the leaked script of whatever the next movie was in the trilogy. The 'leak' was, of course, his own cringe fan fiction, including a scantily clad female Twi'lek Sith apprentice who would try to seduce Anakin (because that's the kind of thing Lucas was known for, lawl). The guy was smart enough to rewrite his fiction to include what was revealed in actual leaks as they were revealed, but he always kept that seduction segment.
What was really funny/sad was the number of people who fell for it and believed him despite how obviously bullshit it was. Of course, a lot of the same people believed that Palpatine was a non-Force using clone of Sidious right up until RotS, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I want to comment on how someone is discussing a rumour, because how they're discussing it is far more interesting than the actual rumour.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
A rumor from some random dude who willingly calls himself "Doomcock" and says the seeds for this move have already been planted because... mirrors exist.
Oh internet, never change.
Reminds me of when I used to visit the TFN forums during the prequel era. There was some guy by the name of Shadow-something (don't remember exactly) who made his own website that claimed he had the leaked script of whatever the next movie was in the trilogy. The 'leak' was, of course, his own cringe fan fiction, including a scantily clad female Twi'lek Sith apprentice who would try to seduce Anakin (because that's the kind of thing Lucas was known for, lawl). The guy was smart enough to rewrite his fiction to include what was revealed in actual leaks as they were revealed, but he always kept that seduction segment.
What was really funny/sad was the number of people who fell for it and believed him despite how obviously bullshit it was. Of course, a lot of the same people believed that Palpatine was a non-Force using clone of Sidious right up until RotS, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Supershadow.
Yup, that was it!
You're not him, right? :rotate:
Nope!
There's actually a Wookiepedia entry about him! Hah! (The forums I frequented back in the day did much more... in-depth... debunkings of his various claims.)
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I still find it disappointing that Finn went from one of the first characters shown in the first TFA trailer, to not even getting to say something important in RoS.
They really need to build up characters and stories that are new - like the Mandalorian.
I still find it disappointing that Finn went from one of the first characters shown in the first TFA trailer, to not even getting to say something important in RoS.
They really need to build up characters and stories that are new - like the Mandalorian.
And Finn had just in the stuff shown in RoS the chance for one hell of a subplot, what with the discovery of other First Order rebels. Imagine the end scene having a bunch of Star Destroyers show up to attack Palp's fleet because Finn inspired a larger rebellion?
I still find it disappointing that Finn went from one of the first characters shown in the first TFA trailer, to not even getting to say something important in RoS.
They really need to build up characters and stories that are new - like the Mandalorian.
None of the heroes but Rey got to do anything in TROS. Poe and Finn just kinda tag along but get no meaningful story. They try and shoehorn in some romance shit I guess, but it's shitty on top of being offensive and retcon-tastic.
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If TRoS had bothered to be a decent followup to TLJ, Finn at a minimum would've also been a Jedi, but I would've also loved for Poe and Rose to also get in on that, extra points for having them trained up by Leia. Getting a whole new crop of Jedi would've ditched the stupid "Jedi come from special lineage" bullshit, plus it would've been thematically far more fitting for the new Jedi to become stronger by spreading their belief instead of hoarding it like the Sith.
Then we still could've had the dumbass Palpatine reveal and him obsessed with Rey (though only for being the strongest Jedi, dump that bloodline garbage) but the final confrontation is all the Jedi fighting together to multiply the strength of any one Jedi. The result being that, without the Jedi being blinded by dogma and manipulated into being separated and weak by Palpatine, a handful of even fledgling Jedi can wipe the floor with one of the most powerful Sith in history. As for Ben, have him legit side with Palpatine but continue with giving up on Vader's heritage, only to finally not echo but exceed his grandfather by turning on Palpatine in the end (after seeing through Rey and the others that the Dark Side truly is a sham and the Jedi are on a far better path) and following him into death via the Force to make certain he is truly destroyed.
Not only would it have underscored that the Resistance would win by fighting for each other instead of revenge, it would be a direct thematic counter to the Sith pursuit of individual power and have a far more interesting situation than Rey getting to be the only Jedi because she has the highest power level.
There's really no reason to erase the ST at this point. If they don't like the characters or the story they can just do a time skip. ROS didn't really say much about what comes next anyway.
My guess is, what comes next is a new Sith-led despotic superpower with a massive planet-destroying weapon will rise from the ashes of the First Order but will be defeated by a rag-tag resistance movement involving exactly one Jedi.
That Jedi's name?
Bae Skypaltine
I've almost cracked the code, what was the message?! The fate of the galaxy may hang in the balance...
"Yousa betta hurry up! Annie's gotta go!"
Be sure... to drink your... Skypaltine.
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I'm not ready to go "Disney with Star Wars bad." I liked Rogue One, Solo was weird but overall I was okay with it. The episodic films is where I head tilt.
The way I see things, they made a mistake with the new trilogy. They were trying to adhere to Lucas' shallow level "good is good, evil is evil" stuff while also trying to make things more compelling (or make more direct political statements, etc). You can't do both at the same time. It makes things very awkward. They would've been better off fully embracing Lucas' style. That's why I like Rogue One and Solo - they didn't try to emulate Lucas' film direction style, or his shallow level depictions of the setting.
So a rumor of Disney rebooting things or making more, I don't care one way or the other. Not any differently than how I think of the Disney Corporation for any of their endeavors, at least.
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"god tier" is a bit of a stretch, but even taking that for granted ~2 out of 5 is not a great batting average.
I mean, yes, generally speaking being evil is a choice. At least according to most of our conceptions of ethics and free will (however half-baked they may be).
The Dark Side is supposed to be appealing because it's easy but dangerous because it's destructive. It's a choice, not a matter of having it jump you in your sleep and suddenly you're infected by the Dark Side and lose all free will. You can recover from using it but it always leaves a mark, there are no free passes to giving the Dark Side a spin without penalties.
The Force is more like some kind of free-floating parasite in the ST over anything else, just taking over lives and cutting out any kind of personal choice or consequence from the story.
I still think a redemption would have been possible, it would just have to have actual effort being put into it.
I could see a valid criticism of TLJ being that it wasted time on blocking out a lazy redemption that it could have spent setting up a better one, but that's kind of rendered irrelevant by RoS just going for the lazy redemption anyway.
Vader's redemption wasn't about Vader, but Luke. We cared about what Vader was doing, felt that conflict, through the lens of Luke Skywalker's efforts. There isn't any "Is Vader actually a good boy?", it's "Is Luke right that a spark of Anakin remains?"
But in the ST, we don't really have an anchor for that redemption arc, so it becomes much more "well, Kylo might actually be good, maybe?", which doesn't work when he's murdered billions. This is one of the more egregious errors the ST made, narrativewise.
It wasn't really wasting time. TLJ addresses the idea of Kylo Ren's redemption as part of the story it's telling about Rey (and also Kylo Ren himself). It's not just randomly thrown in solely for the purpose of shutting that door. It's yet another point in the film where Rey is forced to define her identity for herself rather then latching on to someone else. And it highlights that Kylo Ren isn't bad just because Snoke is whispering in his ear. He can move beyond Snoke and Vader and the old ideology of the Sith, but that doesn't make him a good person.
And TROS suggests JJ believed that was a thing. That it was all the bad mentor's fault. Whereas TLJ suggests Johnson viewed Kylo Ren himself as being the problem.
*We don't actually understand what a metaphor is.
Kylo Ren had no "redemption arc" at all. They just flipped a switch from "evil" to "good" and called it a redemption.
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Yes it is? That’s .400 and is basically superhuman.
The rumour: Some people at Disney are planning to use a plot device from Rebels to create an oldschool DC-Style Crisis and erase the Sequel Trilogy from Canon.
The headline of the article discussing the rumour: "DISNEY RESETTING STAR WARS; ERASING LAST JEDI"
I just find it interesting that the article writers put so much focus on TLJ when if this rumour is true (which I doubt), the entire saga is on the chopping block.
Rogue One was great and I have it on Blu-ray.
TLJ is the last coherent attempt at new story making in the Star Wars universe and let's be real: Pacific Rim has a more coherent and purposeful second act then TLJ (casino planet) before completely squandering every possibly interesting plothook into the third movie.
I saw that rumor, and no, just no. Disney, you crapped up the ST, accept it and move on. Though I guess there'd be something poetic about cribbing Abram's alternate timeline schtick from Trek '09 to (effectively) unmake two of his movies.
Guarantee Waititi won’t be giving any fucks about trying to make sense of TRoS.
So now we’re either in a timeline where Han and Leia are already dead, they don’t exist on-camera, or we’ve jumped down the timeline to the future.
And if you’re gonna do option 3, why even retcon the ST?
The main reason, I suspect, they want to retcon(if true) is that after RoS none of the main cast want anything to do with them.
A rumor from some random dude who willingly calls himself "Doomcock" and says the seeds for this move have already been planted because... mirrors exist.
Oh internet, never change.
Maybe you can get Daisy to do the Ghost thing...and even then, it wouldn’t be necessary.
Doing a retcon/replace on the diverse ST cast is just asking for trouble.
I definitely place little credence in it, I was just amused that the content of the rumour is "Disney might erase the ST" and it was reported as "Disney might erase TLJ".
It’s time to do something new with a vast universe full of stories to tell.
My guess is, what comes next is a new Sith-led despotic superpower with a massive planet-destroying weapon will rise from the ashes of the First Order but will be defeated by a rag-tag resistance movement involving exactly one Jedi.
That Jedi's name?
Bae Skypaltine
Reminds me of when I used to visit the TFN forums during the prequel era. There was some guy by the name of Shadow-something (don't remember exactly) who made his own website that claimed he had the leaked script of whatever the next movie was in the trilogy. The 'leak' was, of course, his own cringe fan fiction, including a scantily clad female Twi'lek Sith apprentice who would try to seduce Anakin (because that's the kind of thing Lucas was known for, lawl). The guy was smart enough to rewrite his fiction to include what was revealed in actual leaks as they were revealed, but he always kept that seduction segment.
What was really funny/sad was the number of people who fell for it and believed him despite how obviously bullshit it was. Of course, a lot of the same people believed that Palpatine was a non-Force using clone of Sidious right up until RotS, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
"...only mights and maybes."
I feel like I would have really gotten along with a movie that had Finn not end up as a Jedi, but as a competent dude who rocked a lightsaber occasionally anyway. Maybe that's heresy?
whatever heresey is cool get on my level
Rey and her Jedi vs Kylo and his Knights should have been the big melee action sequence.
Supershadow.
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Yup, that was it!
You're not him, right? :rotate:
It's the big reason I dislike TLJ so much. I was all ready for Rey and Finn to be tag team champs.
Nope!
There's actually a Wookiepedia entry about him! Hah! (The forums I frequented back in the day did much more... in-depth... debunkings of his various claims.)
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/SuperShadow
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They really need to build up characters and stories that are new - like the Mandalorian.
And Finn had just in the stuff shown in RoS the chance for one hell of a subplot, what with the discovery of other First Order rebels. Imagine the end scene having a bunch of Star Destroyers show up to attack Palp's fleet because Finn inspired a larger rebellion?
Instead we get horses. For some reason.
None of the heroes but Rey got to do anything in TROS. Poe and Finn just kinda tag along but get no meaningful story. They try and shoehorn in some romance shit I guess, but it's shitty on top of being offensive and retcon-tastic.
Then we still could've had the dumbass Palpatine reveal and him obsessed with Rey (though only for being the strongest Jedi, dump that bloodline garbage) but the final confrontation is all the Jedi fighting together to multiply the strength of any one Jedi. The result being that, without the Jedi being blinded by dogma and manipulated into being separated and weak by Palpatine, a handful of even fledgling Jedi can wipe the floor with one of the most powerful Sith in history. As for Ben, have him legit side with Palpatine but continue with giving up on Vader's heritage, only to finally not echo but exceed his grandfather by turning on Palpatine in the end (after seeing through Rey and the others that the Dark Side truly is a sham and the Jedi are on a far better path) and following him into death via the Force to make certain he is truly destroyed.
Not only would it have underscored that the Resistance would win by fighting for each other instead of revenge, it would be a direct thematic counter to the Sith pursuit of individual power and have a far more interesting situation than Rey getting to be the only Jedi because she has the highest power level.
I've almost cracked the code, what was the message?! The fate of the galaxy may hang in the balance...
"Yousa betta hurry up! Annie's gotta go!"
Be sure... to drink your... Skypaltine.
The way I see things, they made a mistake with the new trilogy. They were trying to adhere to Lucas' shallow level "good is good, evil is evil" stuff while also trying to make things more compelling (or make more direct political statements, etc). You can't do both at the same time. It makes things very awkward. They would've been better off fully embracing Lucas' style. That's why I like Rogue One and Solo - they didn't try to emulate Lucas' film direction style, or his shallow level depictions of the setting.
So a rumor of Disney rebooting things or making more, I don't care one way or the other. Not any differently than how I think of the Disney Corporation for any of their endeavors, at least.