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Black Lives Matter Thread 3: not really about Minneapolis at this point

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Isn't rent specified in the terms of the lease? I mean we're four months into this thing so I guess a lot of leases have been renewed, but unless you're month to month doubling that seems really odd.

  • NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Isn't rent specified in the terms of the lease? I mean we're four months into this thing so I guess a lot of leases have been renewed, but unless you're month to month doubling that seems really odd.

    Should be, but U.S. cities are pretty notoriously lax on making laws protecting poor people or making sure that those are exist are ever enforced, for a lot of reasons. There was a book a few years back called Evicted, which went into how shitty landlords have no problem blaming existing issues on current tenants, and just "well, if you're going to go to court over this, maybe we'll raise a few other issues, eh?" and bending them over a barrel until they just pay up. An eviction makes it almost impossible to get a well-kept place to rent, so people are often very willing to take it on the chin to avoid getting one on their record.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Living in the US more and more seems like a total nightmare

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  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    Seems like?

    No it's an actual nightmare.

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Narbus wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Isn't rent specified in the terms of the lease? I mean we're four months into this thing so I guess a lot of leases have been renewed, but unless you're month to month doubling that seems really odd.

    Should be, but U.S. cities are pretty notoriously lax on making laws protecting poor people or making sure that those are exist are ever enforced, for a lot of reasons. There was a book a few years back called Evicted, which went into how shitty landlords have no problem blaming existing issues on current tenants, and just "well, if you're going to go to court over this, maybe we'll raise a few other issues, eh?" and bending them over a barrel until they just pay up. An eviction makes it almost impossible to get a well-kept place to rent, so people are often very willing to take it on the chin to avoid getting one on their record.

    Yeah technically you have a decent amount of renters rights in a lot of the states. But effectively because you're a renter you know you're going to need a new place at some point and that means that if your last place is a person who hates you it's going to be a lot harder. Particularly if you're no longer in a situation where you feel comfortable popping into a place under an existing lease as a roommate. But if you know for a fact that you're going to buy a house next, you're doing great!

    My most impressive win in my years of dealing with at-best absentee landlords is that I got a security deposit back because it was legally mandated that I get it back.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Living in the US more and more seems like a total nightmare

    Unless you're rich, living in the US is an extremely inadvisable activity.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Like.. I have a friend that is studying medicine in Europe. And she wants to go to the US afterwards, is doing all the steps she needs to do to be able to have her degree be valid in the US. Hard working and all that. But man.

    First of all, why would you live in the US?

    And second of all, supporting a Healthcare system that awful, that leads to so much suffering and exploitation..

    I'm not sure what to think of that

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
  • H0b0manH0b0man Registered User regular
    I don't really view most healthcare professionals of supporting the healthcare system. It's more of an issue with insurance companies being greedy fucks.

    Hell my sister is a physician assistant and she hates how our current system is set up.

    No matter what the situation is with our shitty insurance system, people still need doctors.

    As for why your friend would want to move to the US that's a big fat "no fucking idea" from me.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »

    Gorsuch with another one. Good lord what a weird year for the court.

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Don't get too happy with him, the court ruled religious-affiliated businesses don't have to pay health insurance for birth control or abortions and are allowed to ignore employment discrimination laws.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »

    Gorsuch with another one. Good lord what a weird year for the court.

    Gorsuch is more or less a libertarian. There are issues where he can be aligned with the left.

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »

    The Cliff Notes on this (really interesting!) case
    1. Any Major Crime committed on reservation land, by a tribal member, with another tribal member as victim, is AUTOMATICALLY a matter for Federal courts
    2. A Creek nation citizen committed a heinous crime, against another Creek nation citizen, on what was once the Creek reservation. Oklahoma tried the man in a state court, and convicted him.
    3. Inspired by a case that went to the Supreme Court a few years ago (but the court deadlocked and the matter was never settled), defense attorneys for the Creek citizen sought to overturn the conviction on the grounds of, "Congress never actually dissolved the Creek reservation, this case should've been tried in a federal court."
    4. Oklahoma's whole case was, "We MEANT to have Congress dissolve that reservation, and we behaved as though we had, but we just kinda... Forgot. So... We're cool, right?"
    5. They were not cool.

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    So did most of Oklahoma defacto just become Creek land?

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    So did most of Oklahoma defacto just become Creek land?

    haha no

    it could, but this case is specific to the major crime act

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    So did most of Oklahoma defacto just become Creek land?

    This would be too funny to ever be allowed to happen

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Isn't rent specified in the terms of the lease? I mean we're four months into this thing so I guess a lot of leases have been renewed, but unless you're month to month doubling that seems really odd.

    I inherited several houses after my grandad passed (one was the house I was renting from him, one was his house, and the other was another rental). We moved into his house and the people already renting the other house asked if their daughter and her husband could move into the house we had left. We said sure, they're fine, it's all one big family that lives in those two houses now (we're all on the same property). Thing is, they never signed a lease with my grandad and I haven't bothered making them sign one. It could come back to bite us in the future, but whatever, I'm stupid and lazy. When the pandemic hit I halved their rents because I wasn't sure how it'd affect their ability to work, and their rents were already super, super low for the area to begin with (turns out their income is fine, but I've left the rents halved because we don't need it).

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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »

    The Cliff Notes on this (really interesting!) case
    1. Any Major Crime committed on reservation land, by a tribal member, with another tribal member as victim, is AUTOMATICALLY a matter for Federal courts
    2. A Creek nation citizen committed a heinous crime, against another Creek nation citizen, on what was once the Creek reservation. Oklahoma tried the man in a state court, and convicted him.
    3. Inspired by a case that went to the Supreme Court a few years ago (but the court deadlocked and the matter was never settled), defense attorneys for the Creek citizen sought to overturn the conviction on the grounds of, "Congress never actually dissolved the Creek reservation, this case should've been tried in a federal court."
    4. Oklahoma's whole case was, "We MEANT to have Congress dissolve that reservation, and we behaved as though we had, but we just kinda... Forgot. So... We're cool, right?"
    5. They were not cool.

    Although specific to the major crimes act, I think this case could be hugely important for indigenous peoples lawsuits in a wide variety of other areas. Kind of amazing

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    A handful of cases now have grounds to be retried in a different court, there's precedent for citizens of other tribal nations in Oklahoma to try the same legal maneuver, and the underlying logic of the precedent ("Treaties don't go away if you ignore them") could provide interesting ammunition in other indigenous legal matters in Oklahoma

    But it ain't a magic "This is Indian Country again" wand, unfortunately

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    The main takeaway from Gorsuch this year in his rulings is that he genuinely believes that treaties should be honored.

  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    The main takeaway from Gorsuch this year in his rulings is that he genuinely believes that treaties should be honored.

    I don't know, he's a right wing libertarian, so I suspect there is something evil or duplicitous about this

    Right wing libertarian only care about the law when it's convenient for them personally

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    It is absurd the amount of reading about rental law I had to do before calling my leasing office to discuss the rent raise they pushed through.

    Since there are caveats for lease amending within the contract period, automatic renewal periods, month to month changeover possibility since rent can go up on a month to month pretty easily and they have a rubberstamp lawyer on retainer for evictions.

    And this is one of the 'good' companies.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    I assume Clarence Thomas secretly wants to live in Mad Max world its the only possible explanation.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    I assume Clarence Thomas secretly wants to live in Mad Max world its the only possible explanation.

    clarence thomas cries each night that daddy scalia isn't there to tuck him in

  • JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    I assume Clarence Thomas secretly wants to live in Mad Max world its the only possible explanation.

    Yes ...

    “Secretly”...

  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    I assume Clarence Thomas secretly wants to live in Mad Max world its the only possible explanation.

    that's just conservatism

  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    They all imagine that it is them that will be Lord Humungus.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Convervatives like to imagine they'd all become Immortan Joe if things went to shit. (See rich assholes investigating ways to biometrically lock up food so they can lord over their post-apoc throngs)

  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »

    The Cliff Notes on this (really interesting!) case
    1. Any Major Crime committed on reservation land, by a tribal member, with another tribal member as victim, is AUTOMATICALLY a matter for Federal courts
    2. A Creek nation citizen committed a heinous crime, against another Creek nation citizen, on what was once the Creek reservation. Oklahoma tried the man in a state court, and convicted him.
    3. Inspired by a case that went to the Supreme Court a few years ago (but the court deadlocked and the matter was never settled), defense attorneys for the Creek citizen sought to overturn the conviction on the grounds of, "Congress never actually dissolved the Creek reservation, this case should've been tried in a federal court."
    4. Oklahoma's whole case was, "We MEANT to have Congress dissolve that reservation, and we behaved as though we had, but we just kinda... Forgot. So... We're cool, right?"
    5. They were not cool.

    Oh shit, so that was the case I listened to a whole podcast series about what feels like an eternity ago.

    I'm really glad the decision went in the Creek nation's favor.

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    edited July 2020
    Stilts wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »

    The Cliff Notes on this (really interesting!) case
    1. Any Major Crime committed on reservation land, by a tribal member, with another tribal member as victim, is AUTOMATICALLY a matter for Federal courts
    2. A Creek nation citizen committed a heinous crime, against another Creek nation citizen, on what was once the Creek reservation. Oklahoma tried the man in a state court, and convicted him.
    3. Inspired by a case that went to the Supreme Court a few years ago (but the court deadlocked and the matter was never settled), defense attorneys for the Creek citizen sought to overturn the conviction on the grounds of, "Congress never actually dissolved the Creek reservation, this case should've been tried in a federal court."
    4. Oklahoma's whole case was, "We MEANT to have Congress dissolve that reservation, and we behaved as though we had, but we just kinda... Forgot. So... We're cool, right?"
    5. They were not cool.

    Oh shit, so that was the case I listened to a whole podcast series about what feels like an eternity ago.

    I'm really glad the decision went in the Creek nation's favor.

    This Land was primarily about the Murphy case (the one that deadlocked SCOTUS when Gorsuch recused himself), but the underlying legal precepts are the same

    But yeah, This Land is a great podcast about tribal sovereignty, Oklahoma history, Cherokee history - it's good shit! Definitely worth a listen.

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  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Like, is Cruz being willfully ignorant, or does he actually not comprehend that native tribes were here first and the land was stolen from them.

  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    conservatives are aware of who was here first, they simply do not care, and feigning ignorance is among their favorite tactics

  • TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    Like, is Cruz being willfully ignorant, or does he actually not comprehend that native tribes were here first and the land was stolen from them.

    Neither. He's deliberately riling up the GOP base.

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    I, for one, am shocked to discover that Ted Cruz is a disingenuous racist idiot

  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    The Wet'suwet'en land being violated despite court orders in saying it was unceded should have tipped everyone off the settlers do actually think they own the land

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited July 2020
    Edit:Tweets loaded.

    Good gods

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