I mean, it's a huge fucking pile of things wrong with America, but making every fucking government position an elected position especially judges and sheriffs are pretty high on the list.
I'd throw local police forces on that list too at this point. There's too fucking many of them and it makes keeping an eye on them or keeping them in line more difficult.
I mean, it's a huge fucking pile of things wrong with America, but making every fucking government position an elected position especially judges and sheriffs are pretty high on the list.
I'd throw local police forces on that list too at this point. There's too fucking many of them and it makes keeping an eye on them or keeping them in line more difficult.
Yeah that summer camp thing sounds like deciding the best way to treat a cut is to not bandage it then roll around in sewage.
A problem with a lot of the super spreader events are that they do so many things wrong it is hard to figure out what is worse.
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
I mean, it's a huge fucking pile of things wrong with America, but making every fucking government position an elected position especially judges and sheriffs are pretty high on the list.
I'd throw local police forces on that list too at this point. There's too fucking many of them and it makes keeping an eye on them or keeping them in line more difficult.
What even is a sheriff
Generally, each level of administration (City, County, State, Federal) has its own law enforcement branch(es). Sheriffs are, technically, county law enforcement.
I do not believe most of these governments are willing to crack down on this stuff.
Yeah, I'm sure it's a meme on conservative facebook (ie - facebook).
I don't believe a lot of governments have the ability to really crack down on this shit because of a lack of political support. Politicizing a pandemic is bad and all that.
There is something inherrently lacking in credibility about a posted notice that refers to the issuing authority as the "government," as opposed to the actual mayor/city/county/governor/state/agency. It seems unnatural not to lay the blame on the specific entity if you know who they are.
I'd give its claims at least a little more consideration if it said "Mayor jerkface," because at least that author knows we have a mayor, and may have come to the conclusion that they were a jerkface honestly.
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Hey so it's supposed to be a mask AND six feet, and certainly not a mask means you can go down to three feet, right? Cause people I work with said that and I'm preeeetty sure that's not how it works. Especially if you're indoors all day?
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If you're indoors all day you probably want to be on the other side of the room near a window. But yes more distance = better.
All of us retail workers are so fucked. Just so god damned fucked.
As someone who works in retail, I'm counting on the hourish long 'lunch' all the management in my store has every day wherein they sit in the smallish conference room with their masks off to eat and yak every day to give them all the 'rona as soon as one of them gets it and shut our store down for a good while.
It's a fucking mask + six feet if you can't avoid it otherwise.
It doesn't mean you are safe, it means we acknowledge that no matter what you do some basic human interactions are required and pretty much all of them can be distanced to this point in the worst case.
It doesn't mean six feet is done magic no risk bubble. It means sometimes when you can't help it, you might get close to someone else.
And certainly not six feet is totally safe, so five is basically no risk, four is fine, and give me a quick hug because what will ten seconds do after all?
Is there a word for something that should definitely be some kind of major crime?
I am pretty sure that doing things that gets thousands killed because the person thinks it will mainly kill people in blue states is something that really should be a crime.
Kushner’s team hammered out a detailed plan, which Vanity Fair obtained. It stated, “Current challenges that need to be resolved include uneven testing capacity and supplies throughout the US, both between and within regions, significant delays in reporting results (4-11 days), and national supply chain constraints, such as PPE, swabs, and certain testing reagents.”
The plan called for the federal government to coordinate distribution of test kits, so they could be surged to heavily affected areas, and oversee a national contact-tracing infrastructure. It also proposed lifting contract restrictions on where doctors and hospitals send tests, allowing any laboratory with capacity to test any sample. It proposed a massive scale-up of antibody testing to facilitate a return to work. It called for mandating that all COVID-19 test results from any kind of testing, taken anywhere, be reported to a national repository as well as to state and local health departments.
And it proposed establishing “a national Sentinel Surveillance System” with “real-time intelligence capabilities to understand leading indicators where hot spots are arising and where the risks are high vs. where people can get back to work.”
By early April, some who worked on the plan were given the strong impression that it would soon be shared with President Trump and announced by the White House. The plan, though imperfect, was a starting point. Simply working together as a nation on it “would have put us in a fundamentally different place,” said the participant.
But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.
Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.
Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.
That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.
In April, Phoenix, Arizona, was struggling just to provide tests to its health care workers and patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19. When Mayor Kate Gallego reached out to the federal government for help, she got an unmistakable message back: America’s fifth-largest city was on its own. “We didn’t have a sufficient number of cases to warrant” the help, Gallego told Vanity Fair.
Phoenix found itself in a catch-22, which the city’s government relations manager explained to lawyers in an April 21 email obtained by Vanity Fair through a public records request: “On a call with the county last week the Mayor was told that the region has [not] received FEMA funds related to testing because we don’t have bad numbers. The problem with that logic is that the Mayor believes we don’t have bad numbers because [of] a lack of testing.”
In June, Phoenix’s case counts began to rise dramatically. At a drive-through testing site near her house, Gallego saw miles-long lines of cars waiting in temperatures above 100 degrees. “We had people waiting 13 hours to get a test,” said Gallego. “These are people who are struggling to breathe, whose bodies ache, who have to sit in a car for hours. One man, his car had run out of gas and he had to refill while struggling to breathe.”
Experts are now warning that the U.S. testing system is on the brink of collapse. “We are at a very bad moment here,” said Margaret Bourdeaux. “We are about to lose visibility on this monster and it’s going to rampage through our whole country. This is a massive emergency.”
It may seem impossible for anyone but the federal government to scale up diagnostic testing one hundred-fold through a painstaking and piecemeal approach. But in private conversations, dispirited members of the White House task force urged members of the Rockefeller coalition to persist in their efforts. “Despite what we might be hearing, there is nothing being done in the administration on testing,” one of them was told on a phone call.
“It was a scary and telling moment,” the participant recounted.
On March 31, three weeks after the World Health Organization designated the coronavirus outbreak a global pandemic, a DHL truck rattled up to the gray stone embassy of the United Arab Emirates in Washington, D.C., delivering precious cargo: 1 million Chinese-made diagnostic tests for COVID-19, ordered at the behest of the Trump administration.
Normally, federal government purchases come with detailed contracts, replete with acronyms and identifying codes. They require sign-off from an authorized contract officer and are typically made public in a U.S. government procurement database, under a system intended as a hedge against waste, fraud, and abuse.
This purchase did not appear in any government database. Nor was there any contract officer involved. Instead, it was documented in an invoice obtained by Vanity Fair, from a company, Cogna Technology Solutions (its own name misspelled as “Tecnology” on the bill), which noted a total order of 3.5 million tests for an amount owed of $52 million. The “client name” simply noted “WH.”
Over the next three months, the tests’ mysterious provenance would spark confusion and finger-pointing. An Abu Dhabi–based artificial intelligence company, Group 42, with close ties to the UAE’s ruling family, identified itself as the seller of 3.5 million tests and demanded payment. Its requests were routed through various divisions within Health and Human Services, whose lawyers sought in vain for a bona fide contracting officer.
But the million tests, some of which were distributed by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to several states, were of no help. According to documents obtained by Vanity Fair, they were examined in two separate government laboratories and found to be “contaminated and unusable.”
The gamble that son-in-law real estate developers, or Morgan Stanley bankers liaising with billionaires, could effectively stand in for a well-coordinated federal response has proven to be dead wrong. Even the smallest of Jared Kushner’s solutions to the pandemic have entangled government agencies in confusion and raised concerns about illegality.
In the three months after the mysterious test kits arrived at the UAE embassy, diplomats there had been prodding the U.S. government to make good on the $52 million shipment. Finally, on June 26, lawyers for the Department of Health and Human Services sent a cable to the embassy, directed to the company which had misspelled its own name on the original invoice: Cogna Technology Solutions LLC.
The cable stated, “HHS is unable to remit payment for the test kits in question, as the Department has not identified any warranted United States contracting officer” or any contract documents involved in the procurement. The cable cited relevant federal contract laws that would make it “unlawful for the Government to pay for the test kits in question.”
But perhaps most relevant for Americans counting on the federal government to mount an effective response to the pandemic and safeguard their health, the test kits didn’t work. As the Health and Human Services cable to the UAE embassy noted: “When the kits were delivered they were tested in accordance with standard procedures and were found to be contaminated and unusable.”
An FDA spokesperson told Vanity Fair the tests may have been rendered ineffective because of how they were stored when they were shipped from the Middle East. “The reagents should be kept cold,” the spokesperson said.
Although officials with FEMA and Health and Human Services would not acknowledge that the tests even exist, stating only that there was no official government contract for them, the UAE’s records are clear enough. As a spokesperson for the UAE embassy confirmed, “the US Government made an urgent request for additional COVID-19 test kits from the UAE government. One million test kits were delivered to the US government by April 1. An additional 2.5 million test kits were delivered to the US government by April 20.”
The tests may not have worked, in other words, but Donald Trump would have been pleased at the sheer number of them.
Just a bunch of both monstrously incompetent and also monstrously callous people
This coming out the same time evictions start is really bad. It's the part if the story where you're yelling at the protagonist to leave town 'cause things are about to get real bad, real fast.
Six feet typically means three people which doesn’t sound like proper social distancing at all, frankly.
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On a heavier note, I have spoken with my parents about how I may not be coming home for Thanksgiving. Discussed how we will socially distance while there.
Vaccine distribution will be ‘joint venture’ between CDC and Pentagon
The plan breaks with the longstanding precedent that CDC distributes vaccines during major outbreaks through a centralized ordering system.
State and local government groups have already raised concerns about Pentagon involvement and using new methods in coronavirus vaccine distribution. The CDC “already leads and maintains a highly effective system of vaccine ordering and distribution,” groups including the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials wrote in June. “With time of the essence we strongly recommend against designing new and untested systems of vaccine distribution.”
The state and local officials also questioned whether military involvement in vaccine administration would undermine already shaky public confidence in vaccines.
I am 90% sure this is because Trump thinks the military would be amazing at this.
Sure hope nobody has any trouble getting admitted to a hospital
Not strictly on topic, but since this came up and it's important for this information to get to as many people as possible: The above tweeted article points to "backyard poultry" as the source of the outbreak.
The FDA has said that Red Onions are the source of the salmonella.
Salmonella outbreak update: Do not eat, serve, or sell onions from Thomson International, Inc., or food made with them. This includes red, white, yellow, and sweet onions. 396 illnesses in 34 states. Read more: https://go.usa.gov/xfm3p
Sure hope nobody has any trouble getting admitted to a hospital
Not strictly on topic, but since this came up and it's important for this information to get to as many people as possible: The above tweeted article points to "backyard poultry" as the source of the outbreak.
The FDA has said that Red Onions are the source of the salmonella.
Salmonella outbreak update: Do not eat, serve, or sell onions from Thomson International, Inc., or food made with them. This includes red, white, yellow, and sweet onions. 396 illnesses in 34 states. Read more: https://go.usa.gov/xfm3p
I was not previously aware that you could get salmonella from vegetables.
Did we ever get an update from the forumer who went to the ER with Covid symptoms early on and was told to go home and isolate because he (?) clearly had it so they didn’t want to waste a test?
Sure hope nobody has any trouble getting admitted to a hospital
Not strictly on topic, but since this came up and it's important for this information to get to as many people as possible: The above tweeted article points to "backyard poultry" as the source of the outbreak.
The FDA has said that Red Onions are the source of the salmonella.
Salmonella outbreak update: Do not eat, serve, or sell onions from Thomson International, Inc., or food made with them. This includes red, white, yellow, and sweet onions. 396 illnesses in 34 states. Read more: https://go.usa.gov/xfm3p
So is this a big national distributor or limited to a certain region? I wash all my produce as soon as it comes in the house nowadays so I don’t have any stickers on them, and I’d prefer not to throw out perfectly fine food when I’m limiting my grocery trips to once per ten days
My school is doing the normal teacher orientation stuff starting next week. Coffee and donut meeting in the morning! Guest speaker who isn't over zoom for some reason! Lunch at the nearby community center! Too many of these things involve people in a not very big room taking off their masks! Teachers are all gonna get covid before students even show up.
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Did we ever get an update from the forumer who went to the ER with Covid symptoms early on and was told to go home and isolate because he (?) clearly had it so they didn’t want to waste a test?
Sure hope nobody has any trouble getting admitted to a hospital
Not strictly on topic, but since this came up and it's important for this information to get to as many people as possible: The above tweeted article points to "backyard poultry" as the source of the outbreak.
The FDA has said that Red Onions are the source of the salmonella.
Salmonella outbreak update: Do not eat, serve, or sell onions from Thomson International, Inc., or food made with them. This includes red, white, yellow, and sweet onions. 396 illnesses in 34 states. Read more: https://go.usa.gov/xfm3p
So is this a big national distributor or limited to a certain region? I wash all my produce as soon as it comes in the house nowadays so I don’t have any stickers on them, and I’d prefer not to throw out perfectly fine food when I’m limiting my grocery trips to once per ten days
34 states leads me to think it is a bit more than a regional concern.
Though the west coast seems to have had more exposure.
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Did we ever get an update from the forumer who went to the ER with Covid symptoms early on and was told to go home and isolate because he (?) clearly had it so they didn’t want to waste a test?
Sure hope nobody has any trouble getting admitted to a hospital
Not strictly on topic, but since this came up and it's important for this information to get to as many people as possible: The above tweeted article points to "backyard poultry" as the source of the outbreak.
The FDA has said that Red Onions are the source of the salmonella.
Salmonella outbreak update: Do not eat, serve, or sell onions from Thomson International, Inc., or food made with them. This includes red, white, yellow, and sweet onions. 396 illnesses in 34 states. Read more: https://go.usa.gov/xfm3p
So is this a big national distributor or limited to a certain region? I wash all my produce as soon as it comes in the house nowadays so I don’t have any stickers on them, and I’d prefer not to throw out perfectly fine food when I’m limiting my grocery trips to once per ten days
34 states leads me to think it is a bit more than a regional concern.
Though the west coast seems to have had more exposure.
Except washington, weird. With all the crying up here you think we eat onions everyday...
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Did we ever get an update from the forumer who went to the ER with Covid symptoms early on and was told to go home and isolate because he (?) clearly had it so they didn’t want to waste a test?
Sure hope nobody has any trouble getting admitted to a hospital
Not strictly on topic, but since this came up and it's important for this information to get to as many people as possible: The above tweeted article points to "backyard poultry" as the source of the outbreak.
The FDA has said that Red Onions are the source of the salmonella.
Salmonella outbreak update: Do not eat, serve, or sell onions from Thomson International, Inc., or food made with them. This includes red, white, yellow, and sweet onions. 396 illnesses in 34 states. Read more: https://go.usa.gov/xfm3p
So is this a big national distributor or limited to a certain region? I wash all my produce as soon as it comes in the house nowadays so I don’t have any stickers on them, and I’d prefer not to throw out perfectly fine food when I’m limiting my grocery trips to once per ten days
34 states leads me to think it is a bit more than a regional concern.
Though the west coast seems to have had more exposure.
Except washington, weird. With all the crying up here you think we eat onions everyday...
I have heard of lettuce being a salmonella vector before, but this is the first time I've seen onions implicated. I would imagine it's a similar mechanic at play, though I'm unsure of the exact culprit in either case.
I have heard of lettuce being a salmonella vector before, but this is the first time I've seen onions implicated. I would imagine it's a similar mechanic at play, though I'm unsure of the exact culprit in either case.
Fecal contamination of fields, if I'm not mistaken.
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I'd throw local police forces on that list too at this point. There's too fucking many of them and it makes keeping an eye on them or keeping them in line more difficult.
What even is a sheriff
A problem with a lot of the super spreader events are that they do so many things wrong it is hard to figure out what is worse.
Generally, each level of administration (City, County, State, Federal) has its own law enforcement branch(es). Sheriffs are, technically, county law enforcement.
There is something inherrently lacking in credibility about a posted notice that refers to the issuing authority as the "government," as opposed to the actual mayor/city/county/governor/state/agency. It seems unnatural not to lay the blame on the specific entity if you know who they are.
I'd give its claims at least a little more consideration if it said "Mayor jerkface," because at least that author knows we have a mayor, and may have come to the conclusion that they were a jerkface honestly.
*takes a deep breath*
WHY THE FUCK ARE CRUISE SHIPS STILL RUNNING? WHY ARE THERE STILL CRUISE SHIPS DURING THIS PANDEMIC?
WE ALREADY SAW WHAT HAPPENS SEVERAL TIMES! WHAT THE FUCK?!?
@Atlas in Chains summed it up pretty well in the NFL thread.
"It's pretty clear at this point that everybody needs to touch the stove for themselves, nobody is going to take the word of the guy before them screaming in agony."
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And frequent hand sanitization. Because a mask, without sanitization when you're putting it on or taking it off, is a half measure.
All of us retail workers are so fucked. Just so god damned fucked.
I think someone brought up the point a while ago that it's some peoples retirement plan, they are cheaper than assisted living facilities.
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As someone who works in retail, I'm counting on the hourish long 'lunch' all the management in my store has every day wherein they sit in the smallish conference room with their masks off to eat and yak every day to give them all the 'rona as soon as one of them gets it and shut our store down for a good while.
It doesn't mean you are safe, it means we acknowledge that no matter what you do some basic human interactions are required and pretty much all of them can be distanced to this point in the worst case.
It doesn't mean six feet is done magic no risk bubble. It means sometimes when you can't help it, you might get close to someone else.
And certainly not six feet is totally safe, so five is basically no risk, four is fine, and give me a quick hug because what will ten seconds do after all?
This coming out the same time evictions start is really bad. It's the part if the story where you're yelling at the protagonist to leave town 'cause things are about to get real bad, real fast.
Six feet typically means three people which doesn’t sound like proper social distancing at all, frankly.
On a heavier note, I have spoken with my parents about how I may not be coming home for Thanksgiving. Discussed how we will socially distance while there.
Are you light enough to carry and/or swing around like a club?
If I came hit someone with you, they're too close
*rolls dice*
Sure hope nobody has any trouble getting admitted to a hospital
Who could have expected this besides everybody by this point.
Just cancel the season.
Not strictly on topic, but since this came up and it's important for this information to get to as many people as possible: The above tweeted article points to "backyard poultry" as the source of the outbreak.
The FDA has said that Red Onions are the source of the salmonella.
Edit: The CDC is saying the same.
I was not previously aware that you could get salmonella from vegetables.
This is a whole new kind of disturbing.
So is this a big national distributor or limited to a certain region? I wash all my produce as soon as it comes in the house nowadays so I don’t have any stickers on them, and I’d prefer not to throw out perfectly fine food when I’m limiting my grocery trips to once per ten days
Okay, who had "Salmonella" for August? Anyone?
34 states leads me to think it is a bit more than a regional concern.
Though the west coast seems to have had more exposure.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Except washington, weird. With all the crying up here you think we eat onions everyday...
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Must be something in the air
It only counts if they specified salmonella onions.
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Fecal contamination of fields, if I'm not mistaken.