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Does a toy modeled after a real thing acquire the traits of that thing? The green army men were familiar with army tactics, despite never being in the army. Or did Andy imprint his understanding of army tactics on them?
Can bootleg toys gain sentience or just their true selves?
Obviously they can; that would be an absurd limitation.
The real question is...would a knockoff Buzz Lightyear inherit the same factory-preset personality that an authentic one would, or a slightly-off approximation of it, or would it just be a blank slate?
Can bootleg toys gain sentience or just their true selves?
Obviously they can; that would be an absurd limitation.
The real question is...would a knockoff Buzz Lightyear inherit the same factory-preset personality that an authentic one would, or a slightly-off approximation of it, or would it just be a blank slate?
It would inherit the knocked-off version of it.
So if the backstory is hideously warped on the box, so too is the personality.
Do you think that all living toys comprehend and/or feel pain?
yes
when buzz fell down the stairwell and his limb popped out his psyche was shattered by the incomprehensible pain
it wasn’t the pain, it was the stark and unavoidable realization that he is indeed a toy and not the real ass buzz lightyear
I posit they can’t feel pain traditionally, like we humans do. They feel something akin to it, certainly, but it’s far more psychological
For example, when Woody's arm was ripped by Stinky Pete I figure it was less pain and more a feeling of loosing all sensation and function in his arm as a result.
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Everyone knows that what truly brings toys to life is the Globotech X-1000 3-D Organic Reactive Lattice Microchip
so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was
but how little making is required
is a ball and stick a Toy
I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children
If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life
If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys
So a bat or at least the ball is a Toy.
but this just proves Speed's point. That's not a normal hockey puck, that's a hockey puck with arms and legs. It's anthropormorphized in a way that a bat or a ball would not be.
so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was
but how little making is required
is a ball and stick a Toy
I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children
If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life
If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys
So a bat or at least the ball is a Toy.
but this just proves Speed's point. That's not a normal hockey puck, that's a hockey puck with arms and legs. It's anthropormorphized in a way that a bat or a ball would not be.
BUT if a child took a normal puck and began playing with it in anthro manner....would it pull a forky? If so would it long only to be slapped across ice the same way forky desires naught but the sweet embrace of the bin? Would the soul possess the puck but be unable to move or speak with no limbs, eyes, or mouth, just the terror of a being that can feel and want, but can do nothing for either.
It is worth remembering that Andy gets battleship for his birthday and the toys show relief over it, and are shown later playing the game, which does not move or express itself in any way, implying that even though it's played with by a child it doesn't qualify as a "toy"
so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was
but how little making is required
is a ball and stick a Toy
I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children
If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life
If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys
We do see toys that are still in-packaging as having Toyness before they have the opportunity to be physically handled by children though
So now we're entering into territory where we have to ask if it requires a Child to imagine them as having play, or if the adults making them being conscious of them being toys also provides the spark
It's the kids for sure. Or more specifically, their avarice.
so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was
but how little making is required
is a ball and stick a Toy
I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children
If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life
If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys
We do see toys that are still in-packaging as having Toyness before they have the opportunity to be physically handled by children though
So now we're entering into territory where we have to ask if it requires a Child to imagine them as having play, or if the adults making them being conscious of them being toys also provides the spark
It's the kids for sure. Or more specifically, their avarice.
I thought this at first, but Rex notes his origins, where he was built, etc. They seem to have some sort of imbued knowledge about their creation, which they wouldn't have if it was awoken after being desired.
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The toy story universe becomes a nightmare hellscape if you think about it at all with logic
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The really interesting Toy Story question is about the People Who Know. I'm not talking like Sid, who might be in denial to this day. But, you know, adults with nannycams or security systems and have seen everything. Some must have accepted the truth. Maybe they even confronted the toys, showed them the video evidence, but agreed to keep the toys' secrets as long as it makes their kids happy?
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I will have you know that this whole thread is making me think of a short film some local theatre company put together back in June that used the audio of a scene from Toy Story and stop motion footage of the artist's sex toy collection
It was very good but also seems to have been removed from YouTube
What if a kid plays with their food?
I can go to IHOP and get a pancake with a smiley face drawn on it. Does it become a toy if a kid plays with it?
Does it stop being a toy when the kid finally decides to sit down and eat the pancake?
What if a kid plays with their food?
I can go to IHOP and get a pancake with a smiley face drawn on it. Does it become a toy if a kid plays with it?
Does it stop being a toy when the kid finally decides to sit down and eat the pancake?
For most instances of that, the child would be actively playing with the food.
Now we know that living toys generally just ragdoll when a child is playing with them, but we also know that they frequently function in mimicry of how they are played with.
What I'm suggesting is that the quickening or ensoulment of a toy is something that happens after a child begins to play with it, as a result of that play. Essentially the lifeforce of a toy is a work of inertia - a toy, when played with, will attempt to continue the life that it was given while it was being played with.
Therefore, a child playing with their food would be beginning the quickening process, but by not ever leaving the emerging toy alone, it's never given true life before being consumed.
What if a kid plays with their food?
I can go to IHOP and get a pancake with a smiley face drawn on it. Does it become a toy if a kid plays with it?
Does it stop being a toy when the kid finally decides to sit down and eat the pancake?
So in this case should the pancacke become sentient its only driving want and purpose will be to have you eat it. Its a win win I guess.
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Woody is seen writing on a pad that is definitely a toy and has been played with but the notepad is not alive.
a bootleg goku exists but the only toys that appear in the toy story universe are those in the public domain and those disney owns
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when buzz fell down the stairwell and his limb popped out his psyche was shattered by the incomprehensible pain
Are toys just Primals?
The real question is...would a knockoff Buzz Lightyear inherit the same factory-preset personality that an authentic one would, or a slightly-off approximation of it, or would it just be a blank slate?
Yes.
Woody felt pain when Stinky Pete ripped his arm.
Parts that are meant to come apart don't generate pain though.
It would inherit the knocked-off version of it.
So if the backstory is hideously warped on the box, so too is the personality.
Could be, but not necessarily is
it wasn’t the pain, it was the stark and unavoidable realization that he is indeed a toy and not the real ass buzz lightyear
I posit they can’t feel pain traditionally, like we humans do. They feel something akin to it, certainly, but it’s far more psychological
For example, when Woody's arm was ripped by Stinky Pete I figure it was less pain and more a feeling of loosing all sensation and function in his arm as a result.
but this just proves Speed's point. That's not a normal hockey puck, that's a hockey puck with arms and legs. It's anthropormorphized in a way that a bat or a ball would not be.
If you kitbash an action figure, does the personality change to match the new character? At what point?
BUT if a child took a normal puck and began playing with it in anthro manner....would it pull a forky? If so would it long only to be slapped across ice the same way forky desires naught but the sweet embrace of the bin? Would the soul possess the puck but be unable to move or speak with no limbs, eyes, or mouth, just the terror of a being that can feel and want, but can do nothing for either.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
These are both questions that get directly addressed in the films
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I have only seen the first movies and bits and pieces of the second nothing of the rest
Well that and dark Voodoo magic.
It's the kids for sure. Or more specifically, their avarice.
I thought this at first, but Rex notes his origins, where he was built, etc. They seem to have some sort of imbued knowledge about their creation, which they wouldn't have if it was awoken after being desired.
Most fictional settings do.
I've spent five years deciphering the ways in which Angel Grove is a nightmare hellscape, safe only in comparison to Everywhere Else In That Setting
It was very good but also seems to have been removed from YouTube
I can go to IHOP and get a pancake with a smiley face drawn on it. Does it become a toy if a kid plays with it?
Does it stop being a toy when the kid finally decides to sit down and eat the pancake?
For most instances of that, the child would be actively playing with the food.
Now we know that living toys generally just ragdoll when a child is playing with them, but we also know that they frequently function in mimicry of how they are played with.
What I'm suggesting is that the quickening or ensoulment of a toy is something that happens after a child begins to play with it, as a result of that play. Essentially the lifeforce of a toy is a work of inertia - a toy, when played with, will attempt to continue the life that it was given while it was being played with.
Therefore, a child playing with their food would be beginning the quickening process, but by not ever leaving the emerging toy alone, it's never given true life before being consumed.
Click for a man losing his mind over toy story
So in this case should the pancacke become sentient its only driving want and purpose will be to have you eat it. Its a win win I guess.