There was a kerfuffle when Afghanistan adopted a woodland camouflage pattern instead of a desert pattern, due to a popular perception that the country is mostly desert
But there is actually geographically a lot of vegetation
in my experience a lot of US people have trouble conceiving of other countries as not being mono-seasonal mono-biomes. The number of times I get asked if Australia has winter ...
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Honestly, I blame the fact that American schools always teach the Mercator projection. It makes everything south of the equator look a lot closer to the equator than it actually is (while also shrinking it), and we get taught that equator == never not hot in school, so people go from there.
Hmm. When I talk to people, it seems less like they're extrapolating from topological data and more like other countries aren't seen as quite inhabiting the real world. They're somehow abstracted into lower-dimensional spaces mostly informed by the Discovery Channel. I do think part of it is a lack of intuitive understanding that we live on a globe, though.
(To be fair, Germans always used to ask me what Australians eat for breakfast, which is also a totally baffling question ("uh ... whatever they want ...?") until you realise Frühstuck is an extremely rigidly defined ritual in most german households).
Incidentally if anyone ever wants to read one of the most powerful and moving book about war ever, Boys In Zinc by Svetlana Alexievitch is an incredible collection of interviews with ordinary Russians about the Afghan War, including soldiers, families of soldiers, nurses and support staff, politicians, logisticians etc. It's not a dry book about the tactics and high level politics of the war, it's about what it was like to experience in Russia and Afghanistan, and it is astoundingly gripping and emotionally devastating.
It is arguably one of the best works of non-fiction I have ever read and I recommend it to anyone. It's also very easy to read because it's in the language of very ordinary people. It also will not inflame any warlike sentiments you have, because it's pretty honest about how fucking awful it was (and after reading it you realise the parallels with the NATO invasion and what an insane idea that was too)
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Hmm. When I talk to people, it seems less like they're extrapolating from topological data and more like other countries aren't seen as quite inhabiting the real world. They're somehow abstracted into lower-dimensional spaces mostly informed by the Discovery Channel. I do think part of it is a lack of intuitive understanding that we live on a globe, though.
(To be fair, Germans always used to ask me what Australians eat for breakfast, which is also a totally baffling question ("uh ... whatever they want ...?") until you realise Frühstuck is an extremely rigidly defined ritual in most german households).
That could be, too, but in my experience Americans don't do this so much with countries north of the equator and I think the squishing of countries south of it strongly contributes to the idea that they're just hot all the time.
Some if it is also ignorance of where things actually are. Like, a lot of Americans think Chile is Amazonian rainforest.
Hmm. When I talk to people, it seems less like they're extrapolating from topological data and more like other countries aren't seen as quite inhabiting the real world. They're somehow abstracted into lower-dimensional spaces mostly informed by the Discovery Channel. I do think part of it is a lack of intuitive understanding that we live on a globe, though.
(To be fair, Germans always used to ask me what Australians eat for breakfast, which is also a totally baffling question ("uh ... whatever they want ...?") until you realise Frühstuck is an extremely rigidly defined ritual in most german households).
That could be, too, but in my experience Americans don't do this so much with countries north of the equator and I think the squishing of countries south of it strongly contributes to the idea that they're just hot all the time.
Some if it is also ignorance of where things actually are. Like, a lot of Americans think Chile is Amazonian rainforest.
yeah there's definitely a hemispherical bias of some kind going on. You can practically spit on Antarctica from south america, and that's not hard to see on a map.
Hmm. When I talk to people, it seems less like they're extrapolating from topological data and more like other countries aren't seen as quite inhabiting the real world. They're somehow abstracted into lower-dimensional spaces mostly informed by the Discovery Channel. I do think part of it is a lack of intuitive understanding that we live on a globe, though.
(To be fair, Germans always used to ask me what Australians eat for breakfast, which is also a totally baffling question ("uh ... whatever they want ...?") until you realise Frühstuck is an extremely rigidly defined ritual in most german households).
That could be, too, but in my experience Americans don't do this so much with countries north of the equator and I think the squishing of countries south of it strongly contributes to the idea that they're just hot all the time.
Some if it is also ignorance of where things actually are. Like, a lot of Americans think Chile is Amazonian rainforest.
I reckon that's not remotely limited to Americans tbh
Hmm. When I talk to people, it seems less like they're extrapolating from topological data and more like other countries aren't seen as quite inhabiting the real world. They're somehow abstracted into lower-dimensional spaces mostly informed by the Discovery Channel. I do think part of it is a lack of intuitive understanding that we live on a globe, though.
(To be fair, Germans always used to ask me what Australians eat for breakfast, which is also a totally baffling question ("uh ... whatever they want ...?") until you realise Frühstuck is an extremely rigidly defined ritual in most german households).
That could be, too, but in my experience Americans don't do this so much with countries north of the equator and I think the squishing of countries south of it strongly contributes to the idea that they're just hot all the time.
Some if it is also ignorance of where things actually are. Like, a lot of Americans think Chile is Amazonian rainforest.
yeah there's definitely a hemispherical bias of some kind going on. You can practically spit on Antarctica from south america, and that's not hard to see on a map.
Yeah there's a significant penguin population in Argentina.
I wonder if you could undo the desertification of australia like in those areas where those lone peeps planted trees
I don't really know how to react to this. We're trying, obviously? It's a whole big environmental thing here? Repopulating native grasses is usually more important than planting trees though. The best scenario right now would be to return the country to its pre-colonial state.
I wonder if you could undo the desertification of australia like in those areas where those lone peeps planted trees
I don't really know how to react to this. We're trying, obviously? It's a whole big environmental thing here? Repopulating native grasses is usually more important than planting trees though. The best scenario right now would be to return the country to its pre-colonial state.
I wonder if you could undo the desertification of australia like in those areas where those lone peeps planted trees
I don't really know how to react to this. We're trying, obviously? It's a whole big environmental thing here? Repopulating native grasses is usually more important than planting trees though. The best scenario right now would be to return the country to its pre-colonial state.
Not really an attack on australia, just wondering out loud what that would look like if it was like extremely large scale
did australia have forests millions of years ago before its plate started migrating, or was it more grasslandy?
I didn't think it was an attack it just seemed weirdly patronising, like "ok BUT has australia tried sending out a bunch of old men with saplings and a shovel? that's a great initiative" when we have entire scientific institutions devoted to this stuff.
millions of years ago everything (landmass location, atmospheric composition, local geology, flora in general) was so different that it's not really relevant. There were native australian coniferous trees in what is now Argentina 52 million years ago, if that helps. Almost certainly it would have been heavily forested during the high CO2 high humidity periods, I don't know the fossil records off the top of my head.
From the point of view of maintaining or restoring biodiversity to a range that would be considered normal over the last, say, 10 millennia (which is about as long term as we can really think about in terms of conservation), we can look to indigenous records and the diaries of the very first colonial expeditions. The biomes vary massively across the continent, but there was certainly a lot more old growth forest/rainforest, especially in the equatorial and temperate regions. However, probably also a lot less secondary forest/sparse bushland, which has tended to come back in areas which were once cleared for grazing and now been left alone.
The areas most subject to desertification (central/south australia) were probably not forested within a human-inhabited era, they would have been mostly grasslands and scrub. But a lot of those zones were cultivated, the product of millennia of agricultural activities planting (native) roots and seeds. So, I don't know if you would call that a natural state, it's very much human-maintained, but it seems to have been a sustainable state that was adapted to local conditions and had reached some kind of equilibrium with the native fauna. So, if we want to reclaim those areas, that's usually considered the best approach, rather than trying to transplant trees from the hills and highlands, which usually have much higher water requirements.
The breakfast question sounds to me like they wanna know if Australians eat English breakfast or more continental-style breakfast
Well, yeah, that's what I assumed. It's just a question I can't answer sensibly because there isn't a singular breakfast tradition in australia, especially considering our multiple waves of immigration. So the answer is "Both, and neither". Like, as an answerable question it's about on par with "How do australians style their hair?"
I can tell you what you would get if you ordered a 'full aussie breakfast' at a cafe, but almost nobody would ever eat that at home.
edit: I should have just said "congee" and dared them to make an issue of it.
There was a kerfuffle when Afghanistan adopted a woodland camouflage pattern instead of a desert pattern, due to a popular perception that the country is mostly desert
But there is actually geographically a lot of vegetation
When I got deployed way back in 2001 I had a tan ground crew jumper {Being as tall as I am the Corps did the wear this} I had the m81 armor in tan as well so I kind of stood out in a group wearing green and tan vests
Hmm. When I talk to people, it seems less like they're extrapolating from topological data and more like other countries aren't seen as quite inhabiting the real world. They're somehow abstracted into lower-dimensional spaces mostly informed by the Discovery Channel. I do think part of it is a lack of intuitive understanding that we live on a globe, though.
(To be fair, Germans always used to ask me what Australians eat for breakfast, which is also a totally baffling question ("uh ... whatever they want ...?") until you realise Frühstuck is an extremely rigidly defined ritual in most german households).
That could be, too, but in my experience Americans don't do this so much with countries north of the equator and I think the squishing of countries south of it strongly contributes to the idea that they're just hot all the time.
Some if it is also ignorance of where things actually are. Like, a lot of Americans think Chile is Amazonian rainforest.
I reckon that's not remotely limited to Americans tbh
sure but nobody does exceptionalism like us americans
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I tell ya, I ran across this, and laughed, out loud, for a good 45 seconds.
in my experience a lot of US people have trouble conceiving of other countries as not being mono-seasonal mono-biomes. The number of times I get asked if Australia has winter ...
I blame Star Wars.
I have a hard time thinking in 40k about agriculture worlds {worlds given over the whole production of food} As there are temperature zones and other factors
And worlds like Catachan producing a number of guard regiments on a constant schedule.
Worlds of continental sized jungles {as it would be humid as F on that world if it was a earth like atmosphere.}
and atmospheres! we humans only work in a certain mix so not everyworld would be the same or even within that narrow band
I blame science fiction in general
World building is hard
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But there is actually geographically a lot of vegetation
I blame Star Wars.
(To be fair, Germans always used to ask me what Australians eat for breakfast, which is also a totally baffling question ("uh ... whatever they want ...?") until you realise Frühstuck is an extremely rigidly defined ritual in most german households).
It is arguably one of the best works of non-fiction I have ever read and I recommend it to anyone. It's also very easy to read because it's in the language of very ordinary people. It also will not inflame any warlike sentiments you have, because it's pretty honest about how fucking awful it was (and after reading it you realise the parallels with the NATO invasion and what an insane idea that was too)
That could be, too, but in my experience Americans don't do this so much with countries north of the equator and I think the squishing of countries south of it strongly contributes to the idea that they're just hot all the time.
Some if it is also ignorance of where things actually are. Like, a lot of Americans think Chile is Amazonian rainforest.
yeah there's definitely a hemispherical bias of some kind going on. You can practically spit on Antarctica from south america, and that's not hard to see on a map.
I reckon that's not remotely limited to Americans tbh
Yeah there's a significant penguin population in Argentina.
when I went to Oz 30 years ago, the emperor penguins were returning
so we did a tour
I think we saw about 7 of them total and me and and very small japanese man almost got blown over the cliff due to high winds
I don't really know how to react to this. We're trying, obviously? It's a whole big environmental thing here? Repopulating native grasses is usually more important than planting trees though. The best scenario right now would be to return the country to its pre-colonial state.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/may/13/its-time-to-embrace-the-history-of-the-country-first-harvest-of-dancing-grass-in-200-years
how about emu corpses
weirdly those make things worse
Not really an attack on australia, just wondering out loud what that would look like if it was like extremely large scale
did australia have forests millions of years ago before its plate started migrating, or was it more grasslandy?
I didn't think it was an attack it just seemed weirdly patronising, like "ok BUT has australia tried sending out a bunch of old men with saplings and a shovel? that's a great initiative" when we have entire scientific institutions devoted to this stuff.
millions of years ago everything (landmass location, atmospheric composition, local geology, flora in general) was so different that it's not really relevant. There were native australian coniferous trees in what is now Argentina 52 million years ago, if that helps. Almost certainly it would have been heavily forested during the high CO2 high humidity periods, I don't know the fossil records off the top of my head.
From the point of view of maintaining or restoring biodiversity to a range that would be considered normal over the last, say, 10 millennia (which is about as long term as we can really think about in terms of conservation), we can look to indigenous records and the diaries of the very first colonial expeditions. The biomes vary massively across the continent, but there was certainly a lot more old growth forest/rainforest, especially in the equatorial and temperate regions. However, probably also a lot less secondary forest/sparse bushland, which has tended to come back in areas which were once cleared for grazing and now been left alone.
The areas most subject to desertification (central/south australia) were probably not forested within a human-inhabited era, they would have been mostly grasslands and scrub. But a lot of those zones were cultivated, the product of millennia of agricultural activities planting (native) roots and seeds. So, I don't know if you would call that a natural state, it's very much human-maintained, but it seems to have been a sustainable state that was adapted to local conditions and had reached some kind of equilibrium with the native fauna. So, if we want to reclaim those areas, that's usually considered the best approach, rather than trying to transplant trees from the hills and highlands, which usually have much higher water requirements.
Well, yeah, that's what I assumed. It's just a question I can't answer sensibly because there isn't a singular breakfast tradition in australia, especially considering our multiple waves of immigration. So the answer is "Both, and neither". Like, as an answerable question it's about on par with "How do australians style their hair?"
I can tell you what you would get if you ordered a 'full aussie breakfast' at a cafe, but almost nobody would ever eat that at home.
edit: I should have just said "congee" and dared them to make an issue of it.
When I got deployed way back in 2001 I had a tan ground crew jumper {Being as tall as I am the Corps did the wear this} I had the m81 armor in tan as well so I kind of stood out in a group wearing green and tan vests
Two Chechen gentlemen in Syria are almost certainly up to no good
But...damn they fly though.....
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sure but nobody does exceptionalism like us americans
Was it to keep the cigarette dry in the espresso?
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Well there was some really interesting names that were chosen that I did wonder how that person would remember like the Lord of Reading
Keen of you to assume I ever log out...
when tube changed my name i thought i'd gotten banned, because everything was saved and my phone naturally thought i was trying to log in as just 'houk'
i literally had to go in and find a post of mine to discover my name had been changed, and then update all of my auto-login info from there
I tell ya, I ran across this, and laughed, out loud, for a good 45 seconds.
I mean I don't purposefully log out but the forums sometimes tell me to log in 8 times in a row.
I have a hard time thinking in 40k about agriculture worlds {worlds given over the whole production of food} As there are temperature zones and other factors
And worlds like Catachan producing a number of guard regiments on a constant schedule.
Worlds of continental sized jungles {as it would be humid as F on that world if it was a earth like atmosphere.}
and atmospheres! we humans only work in a certain mix so not everyworld would be the same or even within that narrow band
I blame science fiction in general
World building is hard