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Part of why I've only leveled one DPS class, and is was the first class I've leveled, is that while tanks and healers are no less boring 1-50 they at least have a role in dungeons other than damage.
One thing that helps the boredom is leveling through PotD, especially once you have 51-60 unlocked, because you get to play at level 60 even if you're not.
Are there any decent introductions/guides to Deep Dungeons? I was reading up about them and they sound... weird. Like, do you pug into them or do you solo? How does progression work? What do you actually get for doing them? Etc.
Decided to work on leveling Pugilist a bit recently, just unlocked Monk.
Wow, there's... not a whole lot to this, is there. There really isn't anything interesting until like level 50.
Very few classes are interesting until 50, and some take until 80 to really come together.
I haven't gotten to tanks yet, but the only dps I've found that's on the same level of absolutely nothing for so long of a stretch is probably Dragoon, which IMO is too backloaded at later levels with dumping all its rotational shit on you. Monk just gets nothing except one more aoe and a handful of utility cooldowns from 30-50. Other dps at least get something that contributes to developing their playstyle - RDM gets more of their melee combo, BLM gets Fire III/Firestarter, MCH gets Heat Blast/Rook/Wildfire(though I'm willing to concede they got a better spread post-hoc because of the rework and their 30 start), NIN gets Chi, Jin and an aoe finally, SMN is kind of bleh but it at least gets Egi Assault II, BRD has to start learning how to rotate dem auraz, etc.
Are there any decent introductions/guides to Deep Dungeons? I was reading up about them and they sound... weird. Like, do you pug into them or do you solo? How does progression work? What do you actually get for doing them? Etc.
You pug them, progression is you start at level 1 on floor 1 and level up quickly to 50 by floor 50. You also get armor+weapon upgrades from silver chests that carry over between runs and jobs and make it easier. Once you reach floor 50, you can start from it on new files, and people mostly just run 50-60 over and over to farm exp. 10 floors takes about as long or a little less than a dungeon run and gives similar real exp to one at the end.
So, apparently one of the patches changed the tome gear from Stormblood to just be augmented, base?
The problem is that the rings, you used to be able to have the 390 version and 400 version if you upgraded one and bought it again.
Is there no way to do that now? I can't imagine they put in a way to downgrade things. I guess I need to see if I can find a different source of a level 70 ring :rotate:
So, apparently one of the patches changed the tome gear from Stormblood to just be augmented, base?
The problem is that the rings, you used to be able to have the 390 version and 400 version if you upgraded one and bought it again.
Is there no way to do that now? I can't imagine they put in a way to downgrade things. I guess I need to see if I can find a different source of a level 70 ring :rotate:
So, apparently one of the patches changed the tome gear from Stormblood to just be augmented, base?
The problem is that the rings, you used to be able to have the 390 version and 400 version if you upgraded one and bought it again.
Is there no way to do that now? I can't imagine they put in a way to downgrade things. I guess I need to see if I can find a different source of a level 70 ring :rotate:
Depending where you're at, I'd just buy one from an NPC in the Shadowbringers town. Or see where the prior tier's rings are located.
the augmented-by-default only applies to the 50/60/70 gear, 80 gear you still have to jump through the hoops and start with the non-augmented version
I don't think there's any way to get non-augmented versions of those pieces anymore for the purpose of stacking the rings
So, apparently one of the patches changed the tome gear from Stormblood to just be augmented, base?
The problem is that the rings, you used to be able to have the 390 version and 400 version if you upgraded one and bought it again.
Is there no way to do that now? I can't imagine they put in a way to downgrade things. I guess I need to see if I can find a different source of a level 70 ring :rotate:
Depending where you're at, I'd just buy one from an NPC in the Shadowbringers town. Or see where the prior tier's rings are located.
Yeah I'll probably just grab the vendor one.
It's more bugging my need to have everything "complete", than any real functional problem. I've got half the jobs with the 400/390 Scavean rings, but just played a lot today and started buying the set for BRD/MCH/DNC and noticed they had changed it.
As dumb as it is, I'm probably going to turn in the 390 rings for other jobs into the IF vendor, so there is uniformity in my level 70-80 sets for leveling. :rotate:
Can someone give me a quick primer on housing? I generally don't much care for it in MMOs, double so with FFIV's per-server limitations, however it appears it's the only way to dye your chocobo (and a faster way to level it, which I wouldn't mind, because it's gone up one rank in the past 30 levels...). I've seen some mention of apartments that are more easily available? Also, are there limits to what you can do with different types?
I would be rather crushed to spend days setting shit up, only to discover that, no, the one thing you wanna do requires the thing only 100 people per server can get.
I bought an apartment room which gives access to the chocobo stable out front for giving it the level-up onions, that's significantly cheaper (and easier) than getting an available housing plot.
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If your FC has a house that also works.
...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Are there any decent introductions/guides to Deep Dungeons? I was reading up about them and they sound... weird. Like, do you pug into them or do you solo? How does progression work? What do you actually get for doing them? Etc.
You pug them, progression is you start at level 1 on floor 1 and level up quickly to 50 by floor 50. You also get armor+weapon upgrades from silver chests that carry over between runs and jobs and make it easier. Once you reach floor 50, you can start from it on new files, and people mostly just run 50-60 over and over to farm exp. 10 floors takes about as long or a little less than a dungeon run and gives similar real exp to one at the end.
The most important aspect that makes this fast is that there are no enforced roles in PotD. You can very much do it with 4 DPS and most pug groups will be that setup.
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The one thing that makes me hesitant to buy a house is the 45 day of inactivity limit. Don't get me wrong, it's necessary and good, but I don't want to have to stay subscribed perpetually, lest I lost millions of gil. Not a good feeling at all.
I bought an apartment room which gives access to the chocobo stable out front for giving it the level-up onions, that's significantly cheaper (and easier) than getting an available housing plot.
you don't need to stable them to use the level cap onions, you can just summon them as a combat pet with gyshal greens and use the onion while targeting them there.
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
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We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
questionable if the ascians can still reach that timeline the way they normally travel between shards, they don't seem to be aware of where the crystal tower on the first came from.
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
questionable if the ascians can still reach that timeline the way they normally travel between shards, they don't seem to be aware of where the crystal tower on the first came from.
ascians are funny because like every story beat encounter with mortals in the game is them going "wait what the fuck is that. you can do THAT? i thought i was omnipotent about all magic what the fuck is that."
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
questionable if the ascians can still reach that timeline the way they normally travel between shards, they don't seem to be aware of where the crystal tower on the first came from.
ascians are funny because like every story beat encounter with mortals in the game is them going "wait what the fuck is that. you can do THAT? i thought i was omnipotent about all magic what the fuck is that."
"aw shucks, I shouldn't have spent all that time cackling evilly behind a mask"
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
questionable if the ascians can still reach that timeline the way they normally travel between shards, they don't seem to be aware of where the crystal tower on the first came from.
You would assume
there were ascians in that time line too. Separate time line separate thing
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
questionable if the ascians can still reach that timeline the way they normally travel between shards, they don't seem to be aware of where the crystal tower on the first came from.
ascians are funny because like every story beat encounter with mortals in the game is them going "wait what the fuck is that. you can do THAT? i thought i was omnipotent about all magic what the fuck is that."
"aw shucks, I shouldn't have spent all that time cackling evilly behind a mask"
Pride and Hubris are potent.
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FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
The one thing that makes me hesitant to buy a house is the 45 day of inactivity limit. Don't get me wrong, it's necessary and good, but I don't want to have to stay subscribed perpetually, lest I lost millions of gil. Not a good feeling at all.
I understand your sentiment because I've definitely been there in other games. This is a classic example of Sunk Cost Fallacy. You can't recover the funds anyway, so staying subscribed just because you spent a bunch of funds on housing isn't providing much benefit.
This would be the same as me continuing my WoW sub because I didn't want to lose access to the mount collection I'd spent a lot of time and money putting together. Ultimately, the game wasn't fun for me anymore and I didn't have the free time to play it the way I liked, so I unsubscribed.
Well, your mount collection won't disappear should you resubscribe. I imagine the FOMO here is working on the assumption that they would be coming back at some point.
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
questionable if the ascians can still reach that timeline the way they normally travel between shards, they don't seem to be aware of where the crystal tower on the first came from.
You would assume
there were ascians in that time line too. Separate time line separate thing
We finish out the new Tales from the Shadows with An Unpromised Tomorrow, in which those who fought to save a past no longer their own find their work did not go unnoticed...
Makes sense somewhat.
It's not like there would be no 8th astral era. At bare minimum Elidibus would show up to help out because they don't want to destroy the source.
questionable if the ascians can still reach that timeline the way they normally travel between shards, they don't seem to be aware of where the crystal tower on the first came from.
ascians are funny because like every story beat encounter with mortals in the game is them going "wait what the fuck is that. you can do THAT? i thought i was omnipotent about all magic what the fuck is that."
"aw shucks, I shouldn't have spent all that time cackling evilly behind a mask"
Pride and Hubris are potent.
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the millennia of body-hopping and being tempered was probably wearing away at their memories and personalities and turning them more megalomaniacal and psychopathic
Okay, so before I waste a bunch of fruit- I have a general understanding of how feeding a chocobo (to dye it) works, however the instructions are ambiguous. On one hand, you're given a feeding order, but they also state that, should you get no feather change message, you should just keep feeding it the same fruit? Even though the feeding order is preset and alternates fruit?
Which one is it? Do I keep feeding them in proscribed order until I get the message, or do I keep feeding the first fruit on the list?
And as an addendum, can I just feed it the entire queue of fruit and hit the final hue after 6h as some people in Reddit comments seem to imply, or do I need to do it change by change?
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Okay, so before I waste a bunch of fruit- I have a general understanding of how feeding a chocobo (to dye it) works, however the instructions are ambiguous. On one hand, you're given a feeding order, but they also state that, should you get no feather change message, you should just keep feeding it the same fruit? Even though the feeding order is preset and alternates fruit?
Which one is it? Do I keep feeding them in proscribed order until I get the message, or do I keep feeding the first fruit on the list?
And as an addendum, can I just feed it the entire queue of fruit and hit the final hue after 6h as some people in Reddit comments seem to imply, or do I need to do it change by change?
Yeah you can just shotgun all the fruit in one cycle to get there, the fruit order is because there is a set range of values the color variables can be, and if you would exit that range, you get nothing. So you've gotta alternate between +color and -color to keep it in range so the other colors you're trying to tweak can shift.
Assuming nothing has changed from when I colorized my chocobo back around the 5.1 patch, at least.
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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Okay, so before I waste a bunch of fruit- I have a general understanding of how feeding a chocobo (to dye it) works, however the instructions are ambiguous. On one hand, you're given a feeding order, but they also state that, should you get no feather change message, you should just keep feeding it the same fruit? Even though the feeding order is preset and alternates fruit?
Which one is it? Do I keep feeding them in proscribed order until I get the message, or do I keep feeding the first fruit on the list?
And as an addendum, can I just feed it the entire queue of fruit and hit the final hue after 6h as some people in Reddit comments seem to imply, or do I need to do it change by change?
Yeah you can just shotgun all the fruit in one cycle to get there, the fruit order is because there is a set range of values the color variables can be, and if you would exit that range, you get nothing. So you've gotta alternate between +color and -color to keep it in range so the other colors you're trying to tweak can shift.
Assuming nothing has changed from when I colorized my chocobo back around the 5.1 patch, at least.
Yeah, it caps out at like 255 of each point so you just have to avoid overflowing 0 or 255 when feeding. The messages don't always pop up since I think sometimes you won't move into a different color result with a feeding.
Maaan, I just want to do Cinder Drift for the first time!
67 minutes in the queue and 0/2 0/2 2/4 :rotate:
At least I don't technically have to do it before I move on with the MSQ, but still.
If you're waiting that long for anything, don't queue for it. Use Party Finder. Create a PF group, mention it's your first time doing it. You'll get takers.
I got it, finally; I knew it had to align with people using Trials queue at some point.
It was super easy. I considered just doing PF, but I haven't had a ton of luck doing first time things there. I've tried getting even small groups to run through the remaining two sets of Alexander raids I never did from HW, but haven't gotten any takers.
I don't always play at the best times to get people though.
It's all good. It's not like I don't have any number of other things to do while in queue. Not playing really since 5.0, I've got plenty of catching up all over.
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One thing that helps the boredom is leveling through PotD, especially once you have 51-60 unlocked, because you get to play at level 60 even if you're not.
I haven't gotten to tanks yet, but the only dps I've found that's on the same level of absolutely nothing for so long of a stretch is probably Dragoon, which IMO is too backloaded at later levels with dumping all its rotational shit on you. Monk just gets nothing except one more aoe and a handful of utility cooldowns from 30-50. Other dps at least get something that contributes to developing their playstyle - RDM gets more of their melee combo, BLM gets Fire III/Firestarter, MCH gets Heat Blast/Rook/Wildfire(though I'm willing to concede they got a better spread post-hoc because of the rework and their 30 start), NIN gets Chi, Jin and an aoe finally, SMN is kind of bleh but it at least gets Egi Assault II, BRD has to start learning how to rotate dem auraz, etc.
You pug them, progression is you start at level 1 on floor 1 and level up quickly to 50 by floor 50. You also get armor+weapon upgrades from silver chests that carry over between runs and jobs and make it easier. Once you reach floor 50, you can start from it on new files, and people mostly just run 50-60 over and over to farm exp. 10 floors takes about as long or a little less than a dungeon run and gives similar real exp to one at the end.
Monk actually comes together fairly quickly, I think they have all their meaningful stuff by 60 or so.
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The problem is that the rings, you used to be able to have the 390 version and 400 version if you upgraded one and bought it again.
Is there no way to do that now? I can't imagine they put in a way to downgrade things. I guess I need to see if I can find a different source of a level 70 ring :rotate:
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There's always the market board.
Depending where you're at, I'd just buy one from an NPC in the Shadowbringers town. Or see where the prior tier's rings are located.
3DS: 0473-8507-2652
Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
PSN: AbEntropy
I don't think there's any way to get non-augmented versions of those pieces anymore for the purpose of stacking the rings
Yeah I'll probably just grab the vendor one.
It's more bugging my need to have everything "complete", than any real functional problem. I've got half the jobs with the 400/390 Scavean rings, but just played a lot today and started buying the set for BRD/MCH/DNC and noticed they had changed it.
As dumb as it is, I'm probably going to turn in the 390 rings for other jobs into the IF vendor, so there is uniformity in my level 70-80 sets for leveling. :rotate:
Origin: Galedrid - Nintendo: Galedrid/3222-6858-1045
Blizzard: Galedrid#1367 - FFXIV: Galedrid Kingshand
I would be rather crushed to spend days setting shit up, only to discover that, no, the one thing you wanna do requires the thing only 100 people per server can get.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
The most important aspect that makes this fast is that there are no enforced roles in PotD. You can very much do it with 4 DPS and most pug groups will be that setup.
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16 takes place on one of the shards confirmed
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
I dunno. Since I first tried leveling past 10 sometime in early shadowbringers or late stormblood right before shadowbringers launched.
Makes sense somewhat.
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ascians are funny because like every story beat encounter with mortals in the game is them going "wait what the fuck is that. you can do THAT? i thought i was omnipotent about all magic what the fuck is that."
"aw shucks, I shouldn't have spent all that time cackling evilly behind a mask"
You would assume
Pride and Hubris are potent.
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
I understand your sentiment because I've definitely been there in other games. This is a classic example of Sunk Cost Fallacy. You can't recover the funds anyway, so staying subscribed just because you spent a bunch of funds on housing isn't providing much benefit.
This would be the same as me continuing my WoW sub because I didn't want to lose access to the mount collection I'd spent a lot of time and money putting together. Ultimately, the game wasn't fun for me anymore and I didn't have the free time to play it the way I liked, so I unsubscribed.
the second-to-last tales from the shadows also says
Did they do anything to mitigate the amount of bots that filled the lists last time?
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Blizzard: Galedrid#1367 - FFXIV: Galedrid Kingshand
Which one is it? Do I keep feeding them in proscribed order until I get the message, or do I keep feeding the first fruit on the list?
And as an addendum, can I just feed it the entire queue of fruit and hit the final hue after 6h as some people in Reddit comments seem to imply, or do I need to do it change by change?
Yeah you can just shotgun all the fruit in one cycle to get there, the fruit order is because there is a set range of values the color variables can be, and if you would exit that range, you get nothing. So you've gotta alternate between +color and -color to keep it in range so the other colors you're trying to tweak can shift.
Assuming nothing has changed from when I colorized my chocobo back around the 5.1 patch, at least.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
Yeah, it caps out at like 255 of each point so you just have to avoid overflowing 0 or 255 when feeding. The messages don't always pop up since I think sometimes you won't move into a different color result with a feeding.
3DS: 0473-8507-2652
Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
PSN: AbEntropy
67 minutes in the queue and 0/2 0/2 2/4 :rotate:
At least I don't technically have to do it before I move on with the MSQ, but still.
Origin: Galedrid - Nintendo: Galedrid/3222-6858-1045
Blizzard: Galedrid#1367 - FFXIV: Galedrid Kingshand
If you're waiting that long for anything, don't queue for it. Use Party Finder. Create a PF group, mention it's your first time doing it. You'll get takers.
It was super easy. I considered just doing PF, but I haven't had a ton of luck doing first time things there. I've tried getting even small groups to run through the remaining two sets of Alexander raids I never did from HW, but haven't gotten any takers.
I don't always play at the best times to get people though.
It's all good. It's not like I don't have any number of other things to do while in queue. Not playing really since 5.0, I've got plenty of catching up all over.
Origin: Galedrid - Nintendo: Galedrid/3222-6858-1045
Blizzard: Galedrid#1367 - FFXIV: Galedrid Kingshand