[League of Legends] Now with Yasuo 2.0, Sivir 2.0, and Sona 2.0

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  • pyromaniac221pyromaniac221 this just might be an interestin YTRegistered User regular
    Jungle really is hell. At this point I'm stuck because the only other champions I know how to play belong in bot lane, and I will only be dragged back there as a rigid corpse, but man. It's rough sledding out here.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    So the remake mechanic when someone disconnects super early is pretty nice.

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  • pyromaniac221pyromaniac221 this just might be an interestin YTRegistered User regular
    It's good, but they need to bump the time threshold down to two minutes. I've lost several games where someone goes to the bathroom or something and doesn't make it to lane until ~2:30, at which point they have an insurmountable experience/wave disadvantage.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    I just want the thing where you can instantly ff no matter what when someone quits.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    edited September 21
    How many loses does it take to demote to a lower tier?

    Also, when will match making not be garbage? I'm bronze 2 and being teamed with silver and gold players.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Stragint wrote: »
    How many loses does it take to demote to a lower tier?

    Also, when will match making not be garbage? I'm bronze 2 and being teamed with silver and gold players.

    It happens almost immediately after you hit 0.

    If you are teaming with silver and gold it's because your internal MMR is higher than your displayed MMR, most likely.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Stragint wrote: »
    How many loses does it take to demote to a lower tier?

    Also, when will match making not be garbage? I'm bronze 2 and being teamed with silver and gold players.

    It happens almost immediately after you hit 0.

    If you are teaming with silver and gold it's because your internal MMR is higher than your displayed MMR, most likely.

    I feel really bad for the silver and gold players on my team.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I just won a game where our core went down to 200 HP

    Jesus Christ

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    edited September 21
    So yea, pretty sure I can't do solo queue ADC. I've played 13 games and won 4, all ADC. I can't figure out how to actually carry with a lead and I'm not sure how to come back from falling behind.

    In a 40 minute game I got a full build for Tristana going 14/4/5 and we still lost. I had no idea what to do to turn it into a win. Not because of my team, just me personally.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Stragint wrote: »
    So yea, pretty sure I can't do solo queue ADC. I've played 13 games and won 4, all ADC. I can't figure out how to actually carry with a lead and I'm not sure how to come back from falling behind.

    ADC is, no joke, the hardest role in the game to play well. Jungle is requires more macro knowledge, but ADC requires all the micro abilities ever in order to perform, and you have the weight of your team on your shoulders.

    It's not a role I'd suggest learning when you're starting out. Mid and Top have a much easier learning curve.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    edited September 21
    Stragint wrote: »
    So yea, pretty sure I can't do solo queue ADC. I've played 13 games and won 4, all ADC. I can't figure out how to actually carry with a lead and I'm not sure how to come back from falling behind.

    ADC is, no joke, the hardest role in the game to play well. Jungle is requires more macro knowledge, but ADC requires all the micro abilities ever in order to perform, and you have the weight of your team on your shoulders.

    It's not a role I'd suggest learning when you're starting out. Mid and Top have a much easier learning curve.

    Yea, ADC definitely feels different. I haven't played since season 3 so I've been out for a long time. I usually do ADC or jungle though so I might just switch to jungle, I've never been good at top and I feel like there is a lot of pressure to be good in mid.

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  • pyromaniac221pyromaniac221 this just might be an interestin YTRegistered User regular
    edited September 21
    My top yasuo died before I finished my second camp and spammed missing ping on me, then spent the rest of the game asking why I didn't "gank for free"

    e: Hm, yeah, I think I might take some months off from this game, it's just in an awful spot right now

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Stragint wrote: »
    So yea, pretty sure I can't do solo queue ADC. I've played 13 games and won 4, all ADC. I can't figure out how to actually carry with a lead and I'm not sure how to come back from falling behind.

    In a 40 minute game I got a full build for Tristana going 14/4/5 and we still lost. I had no idea what to do to turn it into a win. Not because of my team, just me personally.

    Sometimes games are unwinnable but some things that I think about:

    -Crush your lane if you can; go even if you are in a losing matchup. (Don't int. Non-inting options in order of preference: don't harass/don't push>don't cs>recall/don't get xp)

    -If you're winning, ward dragon. Also, get plates. If your jungler seems to want to gank for you or if you have a solid support you can freeze, otherwise you are best off getting plates. Nice to ward a bit into their jungle as well if you have the space.

    -Contest dragon if you can. If you're ahead, ping it and make your jungler come fight. Conversely, don't walk in 1v3 even though they're doing dragon in full vision. It's just not going to end well for you (but do walk in if you discover Vi doing drake alone lvl 4 with 200 hp to her name :D )

    -once laning is over, you will likely end up bouncing around a lot between side lanes and mid. Don't split if you think you'll die while splitting; don't split if you think your team will die without you, even if it means you're splitting the lane xp/cs with mid for a bit. Don't just mentally settle on "laning is over so I'm mid forever now"

    -in teamfights: is there any way for you to attack their priority target? Sometimes as ADC you must stay well out of things and shoot the tank, but depending on the situation, you might be able to get at their adc or carry mage, especially if you're something like Tristana and can hop over walls/reset your hop. Don't give yourself a free pass to not focus the priority target; you might be able to.

    -if you're the fed adc, people might be willing to listen to your calls. See if you can siege towers, if that makes sense, rather than doing whatever the fuck it is your team is doing.

    -be very aware of objective timings. Don't die right before baron/dragon and be very cautious even showing bot past a certain point of the game where that would allow the enemy team to baron while you're elsewhere.

    I'm not sure any of this is really helpful, since it's all sort of generic but I guess just try to think--I'm really ahead; how can I use this advantage? Who on the enemy team can negate this advantage (e.g. their fed assassin) and what can we do about it?

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  • PhasenPhasen Hell WorldRegistered User regular
    Back up to gold 4 after almost a month in the silver 3 mines. Not bad after a 1 year break.

    I am promptly getting my teeth kicked in in gold 4.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Oh hey, I missed it, but two more new issues of the KDA Harmonies comic went up. Issue 2 with Sera, and issue 3 with Eve

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  • PenumbraPenumbra Registered User regular


    I can’t wait to see pros get their hands on her.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Penumbra wrote: »


    I can’t wait to see pros get their hands on her.

    She looks like she's gonna be either OP or useless.

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  • MrGrimoireMrGrimoire Pixflare Registered User regular
    I just had one on my team going top lane in ranked. Was pretty useless.

  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    edited September 21
    So I actually managed to get a champ shard for a champ I don't have which was impressive. I got Zoe and I've been interested in that champ so I grabbed her.

    She is very complicated but I think I like the play style.

    What are masteries? I'm kind of confused on the whole system.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Masteries are just individual champion levels. You hit level 1-5 by playing the champ, then you have to use permanents/essence + tokens to unlock 6 and 7. It just gives you a flair that you can use in game and that people see pre game.

    You get the level 6 tokens by getting an S- game on the champ while at mastery 5, and you get the level 7 tokens by having an S rank game while being at mastery level 6. It takes 3 tokens for 7 and 2 for 6.

    Its mainly an essence sink for people who have been playing the game forever.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Penumbra wrote: »


    I can’t wait to see pros get their hands on her.

    She looks like she's gonna be either OP or useless.

    Can confirm both.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    If memory serves, I remember Riot saying that she very much is *NOT* a top-lane character, and that if she gets traction there she'd get nerfs.

    Really like how her kit flows when I was messing around with her in training, dunno if I'll ever get a chance to play her against humans for a while.

    Actually, thinking about it, I wonder how a Samira/Taric lane would go. Especially since when she goes in, he can mash R to negate some of the enemy burst.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    edited September 22
    PMAvers wrote: »
    If memory serves, I remember Riot saying that she very much is *NOT* a top-lane character, and that if she gets traction there she'd get nerfs.

    Really like how her kit flows when I was messing around with her in training, dunno if I'll ever get a chance to play her against humans for a while.

    Actually, thinking about it, I wonder how a Samira/Taric lane would go. Especially since when she goes in, he can mash R to negate some of the enemy burst.

    Well, sienna was supposed to be a support. They nerfed adc souls, she became a non cs adc, and is now a cs'ing adc.again after slight tweaks. Which, I believe, they are again changing last patch. Sometimes riot has ideas for champs and it doesn't work out, and people realize they're better elsewhere. Sometimes they embrace is it, like with a few mids who became supports. Or graves becoming a jungler. Other times they fight against it either pigeon holing or making a champ useless.

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  • StragintStragint Do Not Gift Always DeclinesRegistered User regular
    Just did a game where I got hardcore counter jungled and I had no support at all from mid or top with coming to help or warding.

    It was very frustrating.

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  • TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    PMAvers wrote: »
    If memory serves, I remember Riot saying that she very much is *NOT* a top-lane character, and that if she gets traction there she'd get nerfs.

    Really like how her kit flows when I was messing around with her in training, dunno if I'll ever get a chance to play her against humans for a while.

    Actually, thinking about it, I wonder how a Samira/Taric lane would go. Especially since when she goes in, he can mash R to negate some of the enemy burst.

    Well, sienna was supposed to be a support. They nerfed adc souls, she became a non cs adc, and is now a cs'ing adc.again after slight tweaks. Which, I believe, they are again changing last patch. Sometimes riot has ideas for champs and it doesn't work out, and people realize they're better elsewhere. Sometimes they embrace is it, like with a few mids who became supports. Or graves becoming a jungler. Other times they fight against it either pigeon holing or making a champ useless.

    Senna was expected to be both ADC and Support, but they want her to be a support first and ADC second. They said they're quite fine with both, but she can't be top tier at both or there is an issue.

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    Samira seems fun but she has a kit that demands her team provide some big engage opportunities and also protect her when she goes in. Its like she needs two supports.

    No idea if she's strong or weak in the long run and her kit seems fun, but if you're against a team with hard CC using 50% of her kit is a good way to kill yourself immediately.

    For now I think she plays best as a skirmisher instead of going for a bit 1v5 pentakill ultimate.

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  • PenumbraPenumbra Registered User regular
    I kind of expect to see her mid at some point. Ranged, dashes, blocks projectiles, and decent melee range damage too.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Yeah, I can see the usual engage supports working well with her. Leona, Naut, Thresh, Pyke... I've heard that Support Pants is on the rise again?

    Zilean could be interesting, using his ult to give her a chance to survive a engage and get out..

    Something I missed until I re-read her dash is that it can be used on allies.

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  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Yeah, I can see the usual engage supports working well with her. Leona, Naut, Thresh, Pyke... I've heard that Support Pants is on the rise again?

    Zilean could be interesting, using his ult to give her a chance to survive a engage and get out..

    Something I missed until I re-read her dash is that it can be used on allies.

    This is all true. Support Pantheon is fringe meta at the pro level, and her dash is usable on allies.

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  • PenumbraPenumbra Registered User regular
    Ivellius wrote: »
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Yeah, I can see the usual engage supports working well with her. Leona, Naut, Thresh, Pyke... I've heard that Support Pants is on the rise again?

    Zilean could be interesting, using his ult to give her a chance to survive a engage and get out..

    Something I missed until I re-read her dash is that it can be used on allies.

    This is all true. Support Pantheon is fringe meta at the pro level, and her dash is usable on allies.

    I would bet riot bucks that Support Pants will be absolutely be played at worlds. He’s been played all over the CN Super Server by a lot of the western supports.

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  • MrGrimoireMrGrimoire Pixflare Registered User regular
    Looked and apparently I have an 80% win rate with Lux mid this season. Guess I'm actually getting out of Bronze again.

    Strong, long range CC that can generate picks, and the ability to follow up on long range tank engages without expending a ton of gap-closer cooldowns is really good.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Penumbra wrote: »
    Ivellius wrote: »
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Yeah, I can see the usual engage supports working well with her. Leona, Naut, Thresh, Pyke... I've heard that Support Pants is on the rise again?

    Zilean could be interesting, using his ult to give her a chance to survive a engage and get out..

    Something I missed until I re-read her dash is that it can be used on allies.

    This is all true. Support Pantheon is fringe meta at the pro level, and her dash is usable on allies.

    I would bet riot bucks that Support Pants will be absolutely be played at worlds. He’s been played all over the CN Super Server by a lot of the western supports.

    He seems to me go be feast or famine. You either go big in lane and set up early kills, or you're entirely useless. I love seeing it, but hate it at the same time. I feel like I'd rather see brand, annie, fiddles, sett, stuff like that.

  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    MrGrimoire wrote: »
    Looked and apparently I have an 80% win rate with Lux mid this season. Guess I'm actually getting out of Bronze again.

    Strong, long range CC that can generate picks, and the ability to follow up on long range tank engages without expending a ton of gap-closer cooldowns is really good.

    You know the secret to getting out of bronze? Knowing how to hit r and do damage after you die. I swear karthus is a free pick out of bronze. Even if you lose lane, you hit r. And in bronze games often go long, more time for more dmg from r.

    I'm biased, I love karthus and am an one trick. But it feels so good to die in a late game teamfights, hit r, get a quadra, and watch your team kill the nexus.

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  • MrGrimoireMrGrimoire Pixflare Registered User regular
    I like Lux in that I can hard peel for my team and hit their back-line at the same time. Does help that Lux is the first champ I ever bought and I've played her on an off since s1. So I'm not in any way biased, either. Her whole kit just does a lot of work when you know how to leverage it.

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  • PenumbraPenumbra Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Penumbra wrote: »
    Ivellius wrote: »
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Yeah, I can see the usual engage supports working well with her. Leona, Naut, Thresh, Pyke... I've heard that Support Pants is on the rise again?

    Zilean could be interesting, using his ult to give her a chance to survive a engage and get out..

    Something I missed until I re-read her dash is that it can be used on allies.

    This is all true. Support Pantheon is fringe meta at the pro level, and her dash is usable on allies.

    I would bet riot bucks that Support Pants will be absolutely be played at worlds. He’s been played all over the CN Super Server by a lot of the western supports.

    He seems to me go be feast or famine. You either go big in lane and set up early kills, or you're entirely useless. I love seeing it, but hate it at the same time. I feel like I'd rather see brand, annie, fiddles, sett, stuff like that.

    I think a lot of his strength comes in the draft. He can be played in any lane and allows for the triple flex option.

    I agree about the feast or famine.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    MrGrimoire wrote: »
    I like Lux in that I can hard peel for my team and hit their back-line at the same time. Does help that Lux is the first champ I ever bought and I've played her on an off since s1. So I'm not in any way biased, either. Her whole kit just does a lot of work when you know how to leverage it.

    I love Lux! She is so strong and provides so much to her team. Being able to double Q people in teamfights feels so good, and yet also having the potential to oneshot the enemy ADC with ult is so nice. And the 40% CDR so you laser once every 25 seconds or so, yes please.

    I use her to get to gold on my smurf account and it's generally quite nice. Obviously into assassins it can be a little scary, but you can crush them pre-6 in lane usually and buy yourself some time to tank up.

    The only countermatchup I really don't like is Xerath, cause he does everything you do a little bit better (but his stuff is harder to land so I don't play him much). Some other mages outscale you as well, but you can come out of the gate strong and have enough of an impact on other lanes by dominating yours and roaming early such that it doesn't matter that later on a different mage can 1v1 you or do more teamfight damage eventually.

    People tend to get salty in all chat that you're beating them with a noob champ too :D

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  • Moridin889Moridin889 Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »

    Dang, That's a huge nerf. What sort of data were they getting to warrant that?

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    50% wr day 1 on a high skill floor/cap character is insane and going to have no problem getting close to 60%

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    I thought they were done over tuning champs on release.

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