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Pardon my French [Canadian Politics Thread]

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  • ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    If you make 40K$/year and 20K$ in UBI would bump you up a tax bracket, then don't ask for UBI money! So, no, you're not paying 20K$/year to every Canadian, you're paying it to everyone who's poor minus children, which is at most 13% according to the Low Income Measure, or 8.7% according to the Market Basket Measure. So 20e3 $ * 3.2e6 = 64e9, or 64 billion dollars for the MBM, or 20e3 * 4.55e6 = 91e9, or 91 billion dollars for the LIM. So the silly goose who was going on about trillions of dollars can shove it, honestly. And that's just if everybody who qualifies gets the whole 20K$!

    Universal Basic Income is for people who have little or no income, not for (barely) above-median income people.

    Or we could implement negative tax rates, where if you make below a certain amount, you get money.

    Children's rights are human rights.
  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    That's not UBI then. You're leaving the Universal out.

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    I would assume that if a system existed, there'd be the option to opt out of it... if you were of some weird mind to want to. It reminds me of that story of that BC guy who specifically opted out of health care and then got some wicked cancer and a huge medical bill. I didn't even know that was something you could do, much less want to. But if that's what you want... fine, why stop you.

    "The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
  • AtheraalAtheraal Registered User regular
    It'd still be indistinguishable from UBI if you had to sign up to get it, assuming there was no eligibility requirement in the signup beyond identifying yourself as a citizen. Just check a box on your tax form that you want it, or do it from your CRA account like the CERB

  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    Perhaps there could be a separate thread for the hypothetical UBI debate.

  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Most discussions I have seen around UBI have defined the idea as everyone gets paid, no tests.

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  • BlarghyBlarghy Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Elaro wrote: »
    If you make 40K$/year and 20K$ in UBI would bump you up a tax bracket, then don't ask for UBI money! So, no, you're not paying 20K$/year to every Canadian, you're paying it to everyone who's poor minus children, which is at most 13% according to the Low Income Measure, or 8.7% according to the Market Basket Measure. So 20e3 $ * 3.2e6 = 64e9, or 64 billion dollars for the MBM, or 20e3 * 4.55e6 = 91e9, or 91 billion dollars for the LIM. So the silly goose who was going on about trillions of dollars can shove it, honestly. And that's just if everybody who qualifies gets the whole 20K$!

    Universal Basic Income is for people who have little or no income, not for (barely) above-median income people.

    Or we could implement negative tax rates, where if you make below a certain amount, you get money.

    Turning down extra money because it would put you in a higher tax bracket betrays a very poor understanding of how tax brackets work to begin with. And UBI is meant to be a payment to everyone, rich or poor. Its meant to be taxed away from the rich, but it needs to be present at the mid range to avoid negative marginal income traps.

    Blarghy on
  • OmnomnomPancakeOmnomnomPancake Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Pretty grim to hear people call UBI a 'pie in the sky' idea.

    Like, Canadians are struggling with immense debt. Jobs are collapsing everywhere. PANDEMIC. Automation is around the bend in DOZENS of job sectors. The environment is LITERALLY collapsing.

    We did national healthcare. We can do this. If it's a PR game, then it can be fucking won.

    Trudeau is his dad's son, so he wants his equivalent to the '82 Charter for his legacy, and it might be UBI. However, he is also a neoliberal stooge who is truly not prioritizing Canada's future, and might give the portfolio to Bardish Chagger to purposefully fuck it up like she did with Electoral Reform.

    Consider it his reward to her for all the recent fraud she's been pulling: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/waterloo-mp-minister-bardish-chagger-we-charity-1.5657204


    In other news on falling on your sword for a tasty Liberal reward:

    https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2020/09/canada-nominates-mr-bill-morneau-as-a-candidate-for-secretary-general-of-the-organisation-for-economic-co-operation-and-development.html

    Good old Billy Morneau is getting the nomination for Secretary General of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Take note Jodi Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, this is how you bite the bullet!

    It's the sort of obscene and blatant corruption like this that makes me want a UBI. The system is not working for anyone if these 1% motherfuckers traipse from their bank jobs from daddy to government job filled with fraud to elitist policy institutions working towards fucking Canadians with doomed neoliberal policies.

    Rich white man fails upwards, is rewarded at each step. Fuck this guy so hard.

    OmnomnomPancake on
  • Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    People are asking how UBI can be implemented, what it would look like, if it is even physically possible or not without completely wrecking our economy. That isn't the same as saying it isn't possible. Really, most of us are hoping it is possible. But simply hoping for a thing does not make it guaranteed that it can work.

    Saying that the people asking these questions and having these concerns are against UBI is a wrong assumption.

  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    We don’t even have agreement on what UBI means as a concept in this thread, people insert their own assumptions and non UBI (not necessarily invalid, just not UBI) programs.

    Will require a lot of education on what it is generally and why it can help. Any hand waving will undermine trying to get others to seriously consider it.

    I’m not pro or anti UBI, I’m for fixing wealth disparity. Need to know what we can do here and “no, UBI is the solution, just accept that and we will figure out the details” isn’t a compelling case that’s getting my buy-in.

    There are other economic changes that we should be discussing, especially since the UBI conceit seems to be we need that as a basis anyways. There are changes to labour that can affect worker exploitation that contributes to the disparity, and run into the same economic concerns with subsidies and industry being attracted to other countries (that are not enacting similar reforms) and capitalism gets in the way. How do we integrate tax reform (UBI or other social programs) with that?

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    I think its interesting that we might be seeing right now the first steps of what in practical terms a Canadian UBI would be with CERB, essentially we can get behind Enhanced EI.

    Its been pretty clear, those on Indian Act, provincial SA, disability, and students are getting just hosed in comparison. We can address a lot of these extranalities as a country because we've already seen that we can beat two the biggest Public Relations culture nightmares:

    - Socialism is not a dirty word to us
    - We like multi-culturalism

    Its become very apparent due to the 2 party dominant system to the south of us that we're so much better off having 5 viable parties (I am defining "viability" in terms of an MP or MLA getting elected somewhere in one of our ridings in our country/province, not in terms of forming government). We really should lean into a voting system that supports our desire for more than two viable parties, then we are way more likely to see our Canadian version of UBI that includes as much cooperation across our full nuanced spectrum.

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Y'all ready for another checkmark in the win column for Canada?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/free-automatic-tax-returns-benefits-1.5739678
    The federal government says it will soon introduce a free, automatic tax filing system for simple returns — a policy change meant to provide government benefits to qualified people who don't collect them now because they skip filing their taxes.

    The promise — a one-line commitment buried in the 6,783-word speech from the throne — could help hundreds of thousands of low- and fixed-income Canadians access benefits that are only paid to people who file tax returns.

    ...

    Thirty-six countries, including Germany, Japan and the United Kingdom, already permit return-free filing for some taxpayers.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    I think its interesting that we might be seeing right now the first steps of what in practical terms a Canadian UBI would be with CERB, essentially we can get behind Enhanced EI.

    Its been pretty clear, those on Indian Act, provincial SA, disability, and students are getting just hosed in comparison. We can address a lot of these extranalities as a country because we've already seen that we can beat two the biggest Public Relations culture nightmares:

    - Socialism is not a dirty word to us
    - We like multi-culturalism

    Its become very apparent due to the 2 party dominant system to the south of us that we're so much better off having 5 viable parties (I am defining "viability" in terms of an MP or MLA getting elected somewhere in one of our ridings in our country/province, not in terms of forming government). We really should lean into a voting system that supports our desire for more than two viable parties, then we are way more likely to see our Canadian version of UBI that includes as much cooperation across our full nuanced spectrum.

    The problem with the US system is not that it's two parties. Nor are more parties really the big pluses of our system of government. A lot of it is structural (the US system is a clusterfuck of obstruction and bad representation) and a lot of it is a lack of historical factors that would leave our system way more fucked up. Although we are still it seems seeing some polarization and extremism creeping in, at least at the elected officials level of the conservative party.

    The main benefits of a more representative voting system for us would be keeping the conservatives out of power.

  • ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    That's not UBI then. You're leaving the Universal out.

    Are you joking right now?

    What I'm considering, and what most sane people are considering, is an opt-in program that gets you an amount of taxable income for as long as you need, that supplements small incomes, but that becomes less and less financially worthwhile the more money you make. This will assure that everyone (Universality) gets a Basic Income.

    Elaro on
    Children's rights are human rights.
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Elaro wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    That's not UBI then. You're leaving the Universal out.

    Are you joking right now?

    What I'm considering, and what most sane people are considering, is an opt-in program that gets you an amount of taxable income for as long as you need, that supplements small incomes, but that becomes less and less financially worthwhile the more money you make. This will assure that everyone (Universality) gets a Basic Income.

    That's not what UBI means when people are discussing it.

    Like, from wikipedia, just as an easy example of what people mean:
    Universal basic income (UBI), also called basic income, citizen's income, citizen's basic income, basic income guarantee, basic living stipend, guaranteed annual income, or universal demogrant, is a theoretical governmental public program for a periodic payment delivered to all citizens of a given population without a means test or work requirement.

    You can certainly propose another idea but when people are talking about UBI, that's exactly what they are talking about. Everyone gets money.

    Taxes generally zero it out or make it negative at higher income levels. There's even very well supported proposals to structure it as essentially a negative income tax.

  • PhistiPhisti Registered User regular
    700 new cases in Ontario reported in the last 24 hours. Yeah, I'm starting to sweat kids in school even though my town has been 'quiet', the positive tests being a lagging indicator and the push to get everyone back to work, plus university students and business travel back on... this isn't going to end well.

  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    I couldn't understand how sending kids back to school was going to work. I guess locally people are lining up for tests at 6am, the place opens at 9 and are generally given a ticket to come back around noon and spend a couple hours there. Now locally they've agreed to let some local pharmacies do testing - but not drop in - appointment only, and the appointments are for very specific test reasons.

    On the upside, the heating and cooling guys were here today and got the stuff ordered so I'll have central air for next summer if we're not all 28days latering it.

  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Al_wat wrote: »
    People are asking how UBI can be implemented, what it would look like, if it is even physically possible or not without completely wrecking our economy. That isn't the same as saying it isn't possible. Really, most of us are hoping it is possible. But simply hoping for a thing does not make it guaranteed that it can work.

    Saying that the people asking these questions and having these concerns are against UBI is a wrong assumption.

    I have lots of concerns but I 100% think this is something we need. That being said I don't think as it stands you can get over 50% of liberal supporters to vote for it much less 50% of Canadians. A minority government is probably not where this is going to start IMO.

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  • ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    That's not UBI then. You're leaving the Universal out.

    Are you joking right now?

    What I'm considering, and what most sane people are considering, is an opt-in program that gets you an amount of taxable income for as long as you need, that supplements small incomes, but that becomes less and less financially worthwhile the more money you make. This will assure that everyone (Universality) gets a Basic Income.

    That's not what UBI means when people are discussing it.

    Like, from wikipedia, just as an easy example of what people mean:
    Universal basic income (UBI), also called basic income, citizen's income, citizen's basic income, basic income guarantee, basic living stipend, guaranteed annual income, or universal demogrant, is a theoretical governmental public program for a periodic payment delivered to all citizens of a given population without a means test or work requirement.

    You can certainly propose another idea but when people are talking about UBI, that's exactly what they are talking about. Everyone gets money.

    Taxes generally zero it out or make it negative at higher income levels. There's even very well supported proposals to structure it as essentially a negative income tax.

    The only difference between what you're talking about and what I'm talking about is that I'm talking about it being opt-in. It's still available to the whole population, but you have to apply.

    I mean, giving 20K to people without their consent seems completely bonkers. No wonder it's discussed as a pie-in-the-sky nonsense idea.

    Children's rights are human rights.
  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Elaro wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    That's not UBI then. You're leaving the Universal out.

    Are you joking right now?

    What I'm considering, and what most sane people are considering, is an opt-in program that gets you an amount of taxable income for as long as you need, that supplements small incomes, but that becomes less and less financially worthwhile the more money you make. This will assure that everyone (Universality) gets a Basic Income.

    That's not what UBI means when people are discussing it.

    Like, from wikipedia, just as an easy example of what people mean:
    Universal basic income (UBI), also called basic income, citizen's income, citizen's basic income, basic income guarantee, basic living stipend, guaranteed annual income, or universal demogrant, is a theoretical governmental public program for a periodic payment delivered to all citizens of a given population without a means test or work requirement.

    You can certainly propose another idea but when people are talking about UBI, that's exactly what they are talking about. Everyone gets money.

    Taxes generally zero it out or make it negative at higher income levels. There's even very well supported proposals to structure it as essentially a negative income tax.

    The only difference between what you're talking about and what I'm talking about is that I'm talking about it being opt-in. It's still available to the whole population, but you have to apply.

    I mean, giving 20K to people without their consent seems completely bonkers. No wonder it's discussed as a pie-in-the-sky nonsense idea.

    What? You must be the only person who if the CRA adds more deductions to your taxes would respond with "I didn't consent for you to give me more money"

    You have to assume anyone that can keep any of it will take it. It's like not using the RRSP match at your work, it's just free money, why not take it?

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    That's not UBI then. You're leaving the Universal out.

    Are you joking right now?

    What I'm considering, and what most sane people are considering, is an opt-in program that gets you an amount of taxable income for as long as you need, that supplements small incomes, but that becomes less and less financially worthwhile the more money you make. This will assure that everyone (Universality) gets a Basic Income.

    That's not what UBI means when people are discussing it.

    Like, from wikipedia, just as an easy example of what people mean:
    Universal basic income (UBI), also called basic income, citizen's income, citizen's basic income, basic income guarantee, basic living stipend, guaranteed annual income, or universal demogrant, is a theoretical governmental public program for a periodic payment delivered to all citizens of a given population without a means test or work requirement.

    You can certainly propose another idea but when people are talking about UBI, that's exactly what they are talking about. Everyone gets money.

    Taxes generally zero it out or make it negative at higher income levels. There's even very well supported proposals to structure it as essentially a negative income tax.

    The only difference between what you're talking about and what I'm talking about is that I'm talking about it being opt-in. It's still available to the whole population, but you have to apply.

    I mean, giving 20K to people without their consent seems completely bonkers. No wonder it's discussed as a pie-in-the-sky nonsense idea.

    What? You must be the only person who if the CRA adds more deductions to your taxes would respond with "I didn't consent for you to give me more money"

    You have to assume anyone that can keep any of it will take it. It's like not using the RRSP match at your work, it's just free money, why not take it?

    Also the point of UBI is not to make it opt-in because the most likely people to miss out on an opt-in system are those that need it most. That's why left-wing policy generally pushes hard for opt-out rather then opt-in.

    shryke on
  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    In covid news, the situation in Québec continues to deteriorate. Montreal and Québec City are now red zones, with new restrictions (but not complete confinement) in place, and most other regions are now yellow. In a more positive news, as of today Québec City's alt-right anti-mask conspiracy-theory trash-radio station is being boycotted by most major ad buyers.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Here's a story from my small city that is so infuriating to me that I simply do not know how to process it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-counil-poems-1.5742710?fbclid=IwAR09-CpwuAxndWQ06oMiAGUZTA13M4rSLdxG0NiOGh5UQs8XQi1APGnN6RU

  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Here's a story from my small city that is so infuriating to me that I simply do not know how to process it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-counil-poems-1.5742710?fbclid=IwAR09-CpwuAxndWQ06oMiAGUZTA13M4rSLdxG0NiOGh5UQs8XQi1APGnN6RU
    Can we take a moment to cherish the perfection that she titled the poem Those Who Need To Hear This Won't Listen?

  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    In covid news, the situation in Québec continues to deteriorate. Montreal and Québec City are now red zones, with new restrictions (but not complete confinement) in place, and most other regions are now yellow. In a more positive news, as of today Québec City's alt-right anti-mask conspiracy-theory trash-radio station is being boycotted by most major ad buyers.

    The restriction announcements aren't (and have never been) as thorough as I'd like - there's been no word on whether or not sports are now cancelled, or will they maintain their status from the orange zone of being neither 'events' or 'social gatherings' and therefore can proceed,
    On the face of it, you'd expect them to be cancelled, if you're supposed to be keeping 2m distance outdoors and that makes playing sports nearly impossible - but so far there's no definitive word from the Ministère and the ASBM haven't a clue either.
    That said it wouldn't be unprecedented to have contradictory restrictions, so god only knows at this point.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    HerrCron wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    In covid news, the situation in Québec continues to deteriorate. Montreal and Québec City are now red zones, with new restrictions (but not complete confinement) in place, and most other regions are now yellow. In a more positive news, as of today Québec City's alt-right anti-mask conspiracy-theory trash-radio station is being boycotted by most major ad buyers.

    The restriction announcements aren't (and have never been) as thorough as I'd like - there's been no word on whether or not sports are now cancelled, or will they maintain their status from the orange zone of being neither 'events' or 'social gatherings' and therefore can proceed,
    On the face of it, you'd expect them to be cancelled, if you're supposed to be keeping 2m distance outdoors and that makes playing sports nearly impossible - but so far there's no definitive word from the Ministère and the ASBM haven't a clue either.
    That said it wouldn't be unprecedented to have contradictory restrictions, so god only knows at this point.

    That's because the province is trying to close just enough things to prevent guillotines from coming out because they are not managing the epidemy, while trying to avoid spending money to keep people and stores who need to be closed alive.
    If they keep things ambiguous, they can deflect criticism with "personal responsibility" when the number of cases goes up, and "but you were open, not our problem" when things go bankrupt.

    Turn out right wing governments suck, even when they are not full on fascist.

  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Here's a story from my small city that is so infuriating to me that I simply do not know how to process it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-counil-poems-1.5742710?fbclid=IwAR09-CpwuAxndWQ06oMiAGUZTA13M4rSLdxG0NiOGh5UQs8XQi1APGnN6RU

    The idea that poems are not supposed to be political is so mind fucking stupid I had to pause my reading at that point.
    A poet Laureate doesn't exist to just be in the background writing poems about puppies and sunshine and inane bullshit.


  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Cities have poet laureates?

  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Here's a story from my small city that is so infuriating to me that I simply do not know how to process it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-counil-poems-1.5742710?fbclid=IwAR09-CpwuAxndWQ06oMiAGUZTA13M4rSLdxG0NiOGh5UQs8XQi1APGnN6RU

    The idea that poems are not supposed to be political is so mind fucking stupid I had to pause my reading at that point.
    A poet Laureate doesn't exist to just be in the background writing poems about puppies and sunshine and inane bullshit.


    I wouldn't be surprised if our council basically thought it was the Poet Laureate's job to just recite quotes from Lynard Skynard songs.

  • OmnomnomPancakeOmnomnomPancake Registered User regular
    Picking a poet laureate is in itself political. Anything they do afterwards is political. Expecting the person who makes beautiful and thought provoking words to self-censor is fucking bullshit.

    "I completely agree with freedom of speech and the right for people to say what they want to say — but that was never the intention of this form that we developed." - Dan Keenan, Councilor.

    Hahaha go fuck yourself

  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Here's a story from my small city that is so infuriating to me that I simply do not know how to process it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-counil-poems-1.5742710?fbclid=IwAR09-CpwuAxndWQ06oMiAGUZTA13M4rSLdxG0NiOGh5UQs8XQi1APGnN6RU

    The idea that poems are not supposed to be political is so mind fucking stupid I had to pause my reading at that point.
    A poet Laureate doesn't exist to just be in the background writing poems about puppies and sunshine and inane bullshit.


    I wouldn't be surprised if our council basically thought it was the Poet Laureate's job to just recite quotes from Lynard Skynard songs.

    "And be a simple kind of man..."

  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Here's a story from my small city that is so infuriating to me that I simply do not know how to process it: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-counil-poems-1.5742710?fbclid=IwAR09-CpwuAxndWQ06oMiAGUZTA13M4rSLdxG0NiOGh5UQs8XQi1APGnN6RU

    The idea that poems are not supposed to be political is so mind fucking stupid I had to pause my reading at that point.
    A poet Laureate doesn't exist to just be in the background writing poems about puppies and sunshine and inane bullshit.


    I wouldn't be surprised if our council basically thought it was the Poet Laureate's job to just recite quotes from Lynard Skynard songs.

    "And be a simple kind of man..."

    Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
    An eastern man don't need him around, anyhow.

    PSN: Canadian_llama
  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Disco11 wrote: »

    Everyone related to that case should be fired and prosecuted if an inquiry finds they could have saved her or improved her care.
    Fuck them all forever.


    edit: fired regardless of outcome but I meant put those fucks in jail if someone is dead from their dehumanizing bullshit.

    Aridhol on
  • Romantic UndeadRomantic Undead Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »

    Everyone related to that case should be fired and prosecuted if an inquiry finds they could have saved her or improved her care.
    Fuck them all forever.

    Good lord I almost want to re-sign up to Facebook just to share this to my racist family.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »

    Everyone related to that case should be fired and prosecuted if an inquiry finds they could have saved her or improved her care.
    Fuck them all forever.


    edit: fired regardless of outcome but I meant put those fucks in jail if someone is dead from their dehumanizing bullshit.

    I lost my aunt to COVID earlier this year and had to say goodbye to a woman that I love dearly over fucking zoom. This woman dying with stupid racists literally in the room made me rage so much I had to step outside.

    The nurses for my Aunt at Maisonneuve-Rosemont Hospital in MTL were top-notch FYI. Don't want to disp[arage the 99% of them that are pure rockstars for doing what they do.

    PSN: Canadian_llama
  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »

    Everyone related to that case should be fired and prosecuted if an inquiry finds they could have saved her or improved her care.
    Fuck them all forever.


    edit: fired regardless of outcome but I meant put those fucks in jail if someone is dead from their dehumanizing bullshit.

    Some firing occurred today, with the rest under investigation.

  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »

    An excerpt from the article that sends a chill down my spine:
    One professor told the commission the situation is so dire many Indigenous people will avoid going to the hospital over fears of being discriminated against, and those who have no choice but to go mentally prepare themselves first for the treatment they’ll be subjected to.

    What. The. Fuck.

    Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, we were warned, repeatedly:

    https://www.mmiwg-ffada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Supplementary-Report_Genocide.pdf

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  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Maybe we need patient advocates, not employed by the health authority, to be present walking around the hospital.
    You can't rely on a patient who is hurt, anxious and probably intimidated to speak up and family isn't always there or even willing to stand up.

    Prosecuting these people only removes these people.
    This goes hand in hand with the "drinking game" story that came out a few months ago.

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