Looking over the vote list I am sus of people avoided wagons once the main two had been decided.
My vote pushes virgil into the lead and Segatais vote ties the lead. After that I feel anyone not voting to push or save the top spots is just throwing their vote away.
Kime would be my main sus but they were revenge voting after infidel voted first. So theres at least some logic there.
Lucedes, Wildcat, and H3Knuckles all voted sort of near each other and for someone who already had a vote.
Justiceforpluto broke a tie so they get minus sus points. (-SP)
JaysonFour and Invictus votes both seem way out of place on the timeline. They both voted avoided any wagon and they both voted for people who didnt have votes and both of the people they voted for died village. I think at least one of these two is a baddie.
I was thinking SeGaTai's vote that briefly tied Cyth with Virgil was bad, but to be fair it was 5 1/2 hours before vote close. While causing a tie is risky for village, I feel like as long as it is done when there's a lot of time left it can be okay, since you can often learn useful things from how people break the tie. So now I'm not sure how to feel about that vote.
It's not the tie that makes me question that vote, but the elevation of a villager above a lot of two-ofs.
Mafia like to push villagers to the front if there's a gaggle of villager and Mafia tied together.
But it looks like it was a grudge vote, so probably not the case in this instance.
A grudge vote is excellent cover for a mafia though
No, I voted for someone at random because I didn’t have any grudges, and three votes out of nowhere on someone on something as flimsy as “but but the guy he voted for died, so they must be a mafia” is kind of a weak reason for the sudden bandwagon, isn’t it? Unless it’s an innocent question with at least one mafia trying to hide in the bandwagon...
...and I know the three guys who are voting for me are better players than ‘let’s just bandwagon some rando and hope we hit paydirt’. So if this doesn’t stop, and when I die green, look to one of the people bandwagoning me because you’ll find mafia.
Bedlam for self preservation.
I’m not the bug you’re looking for, really.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
Fine. Maybe I was a little defensive, but let’s see how you react checking on the phalla and finding a bandwagon right on you from out of nowhere...
It’s just kind of jarring, you know? But just... hear me out: I’m usually a favorite to poke when the mafia needs to buy another day because of exactly this reason.
It's not out of know where. Can you explain why you decided to vote Spoit when it was a really close race between multiple wagons? Not trying to dog pile ya, it just seems really off.
Because I honestly was doing what I do every Day 1- voting someone random because I don’t have any grudges. Besides, another Day 1 kime vote didn’t really strike me as a good idea, so I just voted someone at random, and Spoit came up.
Was it sus? I suppose so, but why read so much into a Day 1 vote?
Because I honestly was doing what I do every Day 1- voting someone random because I don’t have any grudges. Besides, another Day 1 kime vote didn’t really strike me as a good idea, so I just voted someone at random, and Spoit came up.
Was it sus? I suppose so, but why read so much into a Day 1 vote?
Well, we have to start looking for clues eventually or we might as well forfeit.
On the one hand, sure. A couple votes fairly early day 2 is nothing to freak out over. On the other hand, of the couple times I got pissy about getting wagoned, the most heated I recall was when I was village.
On the one hand, sure. A couple votes fairly early day 2 is nothing to freak out over. On the other hand, of the couple times I got pissy about getting wagoned, the most heated I recall was when I was village.
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Didn't you explode last game as the Mafia?
The music faction game, with the three houses, that is.
Time is a meaningless construct.
On the one hand, sure. A couple votes fairly early day 2 is nothing to freak out over. On the other hand, of the couple times I got pissy about getting wagoned, the most heated I recall was when I was village.
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Didn't you explode last game as the Mafia?
The music faction game, with the three houses, that is.
Time is a meaningless construct.
You're conflating two different music-themed phallas by Locus:
I was not mafia in the Newfie music phalla, and basically got railroaded by JPants who I'd been networking with up to that point, and blew my stack.
I was a reservist who subbed in for a mafia (Green) in the Day the Music Died phalla, where I kind of unintentionally dicked over a few people towards the end as I tried to figure out a way to use the corruption mechanics to salvage a win (the village factions were on a role for several nights and IIRC I was the last true mafia standing). I was annoyed because I basically lost due to Gizzy having clued in on Green before he withdrew, but I don't recall getting heated in thread.
Ok.
Just seemed like you threw in the towel there, albeit maybe after you thought the game was over for you before vote shenanigans saved you.
The point being that doing that is a thing that happens.
Idk, I mostly just die.
H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
I feel like I used to survive to the last day more often than not when I played, so when I started getting voted out or killed on a regular basis it was hard not to feel like I'd somehow gotten worse, and I was salty about it for a few games (spread out over the course of a year).
Like Gizzy said in the quote you pulled up, it's better to just focus on helping our teams win. Most players die in a typical game, after all.
H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
Back on track, it's ~10 hours to vote close, and I need to get to bed. So, the JaysonFour wagon has a narrow lead, but it's mostly a hunch about their one-off vote for Spoit coming after wagons were established. But Austin's point about mafia trying to not vote for a soon-to-be-revealed villager is spoiled by the fact Spoit was killed (assuming spiders are mafia).
A few people have mentioned Invictus, because Spoit was the second vote against Invictus day one and also got killed, but they also made a one-off for Lost who we think got mafia killed?
And then there's the two votes on jdarksun because they haven't been pushing in thread for village collaboration, which ObiFett & Lucedes feel is uncharacteristic of them. I almost want to vote for jdark to tie it and see what happens?
Looking over the vote list I am sus of people avoided wagons once the main two had been decided.
Day 1 wagons are stupid and I will only vote for them if I'm feeling especially lazy/clueless*, so nyah
*Or it's kime
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
I gotta be able to drop off my vote tomorrow and I don't know whether there's going to be a line or not (probably not given the area I live in, but I don't want to take chances). So this is probably the last you'll hear from me until day 3 starts.
Other than Jayson's anger, the argument for him seems roughly the same as for Invictus, yet Jayson has 3 votes, where Inv only had 1 that disc redacted, and a mention by bedlam. I'm unsure about either case.
jdark wagon argument isn't bad, but I feel like a day and a half isn't enough time to rule out IRL interference?
I feel like I need to pick between jdark and Jayson, though. No one else is really standing out to me and making a one-off on Inv instead of breaking the three-three tie doesn't seem like a good move.
People saying being quiet is sus, which sure it can be sometimes, but yelling loudly drawing attention to yourself by trying to explain why someone else’s behavior is sus is sus in itself. But here I go doing the very thing. Sigh.
JaysonFour
But I have my eye on quite a few people based on my theory above. Careful out there friends.
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38thDoelets never be stupid againwait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered Userregular
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Yeah the logic only works if the spider kill is SK. If we assume that's mafia, then it'd be a terrible mafia play so would likely mean a villager
I'm not following you on this one.
It depends on whether the spider kill is mafia or not.
If the spider kill is a mafia kill, disc correctly pointed out that voting for Spoit wouldn't make sense because it'd tie someone to a person that was going to come up village. Bad for vote record. If J4 was mafia, and the spider kill is mafia, J4 would have created a bad vote record for themselves knowing they voted for a villager who was going to die that very night. Not a good play.
However, if the spider kill was SK instead, mafia would have no way of knowing that Spoit was going to die, so it allows for a mafia J4.
It's not the strongest connection there, so it's worth watching the votes play out more.
People saying being quiet is sus, which sure it can be sometimes, but yelling loudly drawing attention to yourself by trying to explain why someone else’s behavior is sus is sus in itself. But here I go doing the very thing. Sigh.
JaysonFour
But I have my eye on quite a few people based on my theory above. Careful out there friends.
^This guy is so mafia it hurts.
See also his nervous post from before. davidsdurions
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My vote pushes virgil into the lead and Segatais vote ties the lead. After that I feel anyone not voting to push or save the top spots is just throwing their vote away.
Kime would be my main sus but they were revenge voting after infidel voted first. So theres at least some logic there.
Lucedes, Wildcat, and H3Knuckles all voted sort of near each other and for someone who already had a vote.
Justiceforpluto broke a tie so they get minus sus points. (-SP)
JaysonFour and Invictus votes both seem way out of place on the timeline. They both voted avoided any wagon and they both voted for people who didnt have votes and both of the people they voted for died village. I think at least one of these two is a baddie.
My guts say go with JaysonFour for now.
A grudge vote is excellent cover for a mafia though
Day 1 vote are generally useless though
Guess I'll take a break!
OOOOooooOOOOoooOOo
...and I know the three guys who are voting for me are better players than ‘let’s just bandwagon some rando and hope we hit paydirt’. So if this doesn’t stop, and when I die green, look to one of the people bandwagoning me because you’ll find mafia.
Bedlam for self preservation.
I’m not the bug you’re looking for, really.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
So let’s stop trying to catch me in stupid word games and actually look for someone suspicious than trying to bandwagons little old me, yeah?
I can has cheezburger, yes?
I didn't vote for you and it was purely a joke. Hence the winking face at the end.
That last sentence was funny to me in that it implies you are a bug, just not the one we're looking for. I made me laugh, thought I'd share.
This reaction gets a pass for now, but just know that being this defensive about innocuous stuff like that is a great way to actually seem mafia.
I'm not following you on this one.
It’s just kind of jarring, you know? But just... hear me out: I’m usually a favorite to poke when the mafia needs to buy another day because of exactly this reason.
I’m village. Just... trust me.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
Was it sus? I suppose so, but why read so much into a Day 1 vote?
I can has cheezburger, yes?
Assuming spiders are the Mafia.
Well, we have to start looking for clues eventually or we might as well forfeit.
On the one hand, sure. A couple votes fairly early day 2 is nothing to freak out over. On the other hand, of the couple times I got pissy about getting wagoned, the most heated I recall was when I was village.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
...
Didn't you explode last game as the Mafia?
The music faction game, with the three houses, that is.
Time is a meaningless construct.
You're conflating two different music-themed phallas by Locus:
I was not mafia in the Newfie music phalla, and basically got railroaded by JPants who I'd been networking with up to that point, and blew my stack.
I was a reservist who subbed in for a mafia (Green) in the Day the Music Died phalla, where I kind of unintentionally dicked over a few people towards the end as I tried to figure out a way to use the corruption mechanics to salvage a win (the village factions were on a role for several nights and IIRC I was the last true mafia standing). I was annoyed because I basically lost due to Gizzy having clued in on Green before he withdrew, but I don't recall getting heated in thread.
Just seemed like you threw in the towel there, albeit maybe after you thought the game was over for you before vote shenanigans saved you.
The point being that doing that is a thing that happens.
Idk, I mostly just die.
Like Gizzy said in the quote you pulled up, it's better to just focus on helping our teams win. Most players die in a typical game, after all.
A few people have mentioned Invictus, because Spoit was the second vote against Invictus day one and also got killed, but they also made a one-off for Lost who we think got mafia killed?
And then there's the two votes on jdarksun because they haven't been pushing in thread for village collaboration, which ObiFett & Lucedes feel is uncharacteristic of them. I almost want to vote for jdark to tie it and see what happens?
LOL
Edit: hang on, brb.
Day 1 wagons are stupid and I will only vote for them if I'm feeling especially lazy/clueless*, so nyah
*Or it's kime
Other than Jayson's anger, the argument for him seems roughly the same as for Invictus, yet Jayson has 3 votes, where Inv only had 1 that disc redacted, and a mention by bedlam. I'm unsure about either case.
jdark wagon argument isn't bad, but I feel like a day and a half isn't enough time to rule out IRL interference?
I feel like I need to pick between jdark and Jayson, though. No one else is really standing out to me and making a one-off on Inv instead of breaking the three-three tie doesn't seem like a good move.
Nah, I'll leave it on jdark, I guess.
Jpants mrpaku and Jdark are also pretty quiet compared to other mechanic heavy games.
JaysonFour
But I have my eye on quite a few people based on my theory above. Careful out there friends.
Still think I’m mafia?
I can has cheezburger, yes?
It depends on whether the spider kill is mafia or not.
If the spider kill is a mafia kill, disc correctly pointed out that voting for Spoit wouldn't make sense because it'd tie someone to a person that was going to come up village. Bad for vote record. If J4 was mafia, and the spider kill is mafia, J4 would have created a bad vote record for themselves knowing they voted for a villager who was going to die that very night. Not a good play.
However, if the spider kill was SK instead, mafia would have no way of knowing that Spoit was going to die, so it allows for a mafia J4.
It's not the strongest connection there, so it's worth watching the votes play out more.
^This guy is so mafia it hurts.
See also his nervous post from before.
davidsdurions
Nervous post