[2020 ELECTION] THREAD OF WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FORK

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    +2 for Biden/Hickenlooper, done!

    I haven't donated in a while this election. Is there a good sense of the best senate races to donate to in order to facilitate a flip? Biden's flush with cash and some downticket help seems like it would be best served at this point, and I'm looking for a good place to start.

    I've seen people specifically stumping for Gary Peters, but also an easy one is Get Mitch or Die Trying:

    "Here's who we're raising for:

    Doug Jones (Alabama)
    Al Gross (Alaska)
    John Hickenlooper (Colorado)
    Jon Ossoff (Georgia)
    Raphael Warnock (Georgia)
    Theresa Greenfield (Iowa)
    Barbara Bollier (Kansas)
    Gary Peters (Michigan)
    Mike Espy (Mississippi)
    Steve Bullock (Montana)
    Cal Cunningham (North Carolina)
    MJ Hegar (Texas)"

    Anything donated is just split evenly to those folks. I'd say that probably a couple of those are a bit long-shot, like poor Jones does not seem likely to retain Alabama, but that's a good spread of winnable Senate races.

    I really appreciate the way ActBlue just allows you to get very deeply angry at Mitch McConnell but instead of wasting money on the race where he's fucking up goddamn 10 points despite literally giggling about killing his constituents you can donate to a big spread of people who can take his power away.

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  • MagellMagell Sphinx! Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    All the campaigns have a ton of cash. You're better off donating to a mutual aid fund now.

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Texas Senate
    Cornyn (R): 49% (+5)
    Hegar (D): 46% (+6)
    (change from early September)
    PPP, MOE 3.7%, phone poll

    PPP were fairly close to the Texas result in 2018 IIRC.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    The money is most likely to make a difference in Iowa (Greenfield), Kansas (Bollier), or Montana (Bullock). Close races and none of them are enormous fundraising stars like Gideon or Harrison.

    EDIT: Oh also the two Georgia races, but you'll have more time for Warnock for sure. And it's entirely possible both go to runoffs, I think.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Looking at some of the close senate races. Obviously, turnout is going to be key. That said, some of them probably hinge on the polls over estimating Trump's support, under estimating the turnout of the youth vote and minorities that lean more towards democrats or both of those.

    Edit: To clarify, I'm leaning towards this being the case with SC and Texas. I'm not really that optimistic on winning the senate seat in TX and even though odds are better in SC, nationalizing the race might have hurt Harrison's chances, we'll see though.

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    21.3 million people have voted so far. Hope it ticks up even faster as more states open.

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  • ChanusChanus I've seen things... Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    21.3 million people have voted so far. Hope it ticks up even faster as more states open.

    equal to about 16% of the total votes cast in 2016 and we're still three weeks out

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    National Democratic Party is investing a record 50 million in state legislative races. Which might tell you how cheap it is to buy state legislatures for big money.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
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  • SixSix Heartbreakingly vulnerable yet unabashedly sensual Registered User regular
    National Democratic Party is investing a record 50 million in state legislative races. Which might tell you how cheap it is to buy state legislatures for big money.

    Who could have thought this was a good idea?

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

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  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    +2 for Biden/Hickenlooper, done!

    I haven't donated in a while this election. Is there a good sense of the best senate races to donate to in order to facilitate a flip? Biden's flush with cash and some downticket help seems like it would be best served at this point, and I'm looking for a good place to start.

    Honestly they are all doing well. I personally went for Mike Espy in Mississippi, Al Gross in Alaska and Steve Bullock in Montana this last week because they have a little less and/or are in cheaper markets but tight races. Bollier is also an excellent option (*thinks about it and donates*)

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  • ToxTox I kill threads Punch DimensionRegistered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    National Democratic Party is investing a record 50 million in state legislative races. Which might tell you how cheap it is to buy state legislatures for big money.

    Who could have thought this was a good idea?

    Not sure if sarcastic but for anyone who doesn't know why this would be a good idea, winning a shitton of state legislatures in 2010 is a big part of how the GOP fucked everything so hard

    They got into power right as the census results were being put into place so they got to redraw all the lines

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    National Democratic Party is investing a record 50 million in state legislative races. Which might tell you how cheap it is to buy state legislatures for big money.

    Who could have thought this was a good idea?

    Not sure if sarcastic but for anyone who doesn't know why this would be a good idea, winning a shitton of state legislatures in 2010 is a big part of how the GOP fucked everything so hard

    They got into power right as the census results were being put into place so they got to redraw all the lines

    The 2010 election is responsible for the lost decade we just had. If I could have my way, the 2020 election would enable the Democratic party to redraw things so they get 10 years of unfettered power, because we have a ton of work to do, that needs to be done over a sustained period of time to hit a critical mass, and backsliding could literally mean death for vast swaths of people.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    National Democratic Party is investing a record 50 million in state legislative races. Which might tell you how cheap it is to buy state legislatures for big money.

    Who could have thought this was a good idea?

    Not sure if sarcastic but for anyone who doesn't know why this would be a good idea, winning a shitton of state legislatures in 2010 is a big part of how the GOP fucked everything so hard

    They got into power right as the census results were being put into place so they got to redraw all the lines

    The 2010 election is responsible for the lost decade we just had. If I could have my way, the 2020 election would enable the Democratic party to redraw things so they get 10 years of unfettered power, because we have a ton of work to do, that needs to be done over a sustained period of time to hit a critical mass, and backsliding could literally mean death for vast swaths of people.

    Texas, Michigan, and Pennsylvania having fair maps would be like 10-15 extra seats for Democrats in the House.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
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  • SixSix Heartbreakingly vulnerable yet unabashedly sensual Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    National Democratic Party is investing a record 50 million in state legislative races. Which might tell you how cheap it is to buy state legislatures for big money.

    Who could have thought this was a good idea?

    Not sure if sarcastic but for anyone who doesn't know why this would be a good idea, winning a shitton of state legislatures in 2010 is a big part of how the GOP fucked everything so hard

    They got into power right as the census results were being put into place so they got to redraw all the lines

    Is sarcastic.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

    The Hunter Biden stuff is landing like a lead balloon. From what I've seen not even getting coverage outside the right wing websites

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

    The Hunter Biden stuff is landing like a lead balloon. From what I've seen not even getting coverage outside the right wing websites

    WaPo reported on the NYP’s story, but barely mentioned the actual content of it and instead spend 95% of the piece saying “and then there’s these dumb motherfuckers.”

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

    The Hunter Biden stuff is landing like a lead balloon. From what I've seen not even getting coverage outside the right wing websites

    The biggest thing is that Hunter Biden / Burisma is old news. All it reminds people of is that Trump got impeached trying to blackmail Ukraine over it.

    If the whistleblower hadn't thrown all that in the open last fall it might have had some teeth, but outside hard right already circles it is - at worst - pretty nepotism everyone assumes is just baked in.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Spoken or unspoken nepotism might have happened. Thing is they're pretending he got this job out of nowhere. He worked for an international legal firm that got a contract with Burisma which landed him on the board. Even if his name helped its not like he was completely unqualified for the job

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

    The Hunter Biden stuff is landing like a lead balloon. From what I've seen not even getting coverage outside the right wing websites

    The biggest thing is that Hunter Biden / Burisma is old news. All it reminds people of is that Trump got impeached trying to blackmail Ukraine over it.

    If the whistleblower hadn't thrown all that in the open last fall it might have had some teeth, but outside hard right already circles it is - at worst - pretty nepotism everyone assumes is just baked in.

    I mean the bigger story was Giulani is a Russian mole (we knew this) and that our intelligence agencies warned the president and he didn't care. That was a much bigger story than the NYP nothing burger.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

    The Hunter Biden stuff is landing like a lead balloon. From what I've seen not even getting coverage outside the right wing websites

    because it's just so.. badly done? like.. wow. three kids in a trenchcoat could've probably made up a more believable story, if all they wanted to do is go see a movie

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    I'm just surprised that the GOP and Russia had a year to come up with a new plan after the "drop dirt on Hunter!" plan was exposed and lead to the impeachment of the president and they couldn't do it.

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Tomanta wrote: »
    I'm just surprised that the GOP and Russia had a year to come up with a new plan after the "drop dirt on Hunter!" plan was exposed and lead to the impeachment of the president and they couldn't do it.

    It's not November 4th yet. Outside turn spit.

    But yeah, hopefully this wet fart is their best.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Like lots of the stuff they threw at Obama it makes we presume more innocence than anything. There's so little there they couldn't even come up with a decent smear campaign

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

    The Hunter Biden stuff is landing like a lead balloon. From what I've seen not even getting coverage outside the right wing websites

    The biggest thing is that Hunter Biden / Burisma is old news. All it reminds people of is that Trump got impeached trying to blackmail Ukraine over it.

    If the whistleblower hadn't thrown all that in the open last fall it might have had some teeth, but outside hard right already circles it is - at worst - pretty nepotism everyone assumes is just baked in.

    I can't help but think that an offense about nepotism is always going to land poorly for the Trump campaign, because even the most fervent Trump voter can't ignore that his family have been occupying some absurdly high positions over the last four years.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    PA's map is actually pretty fair right now after the PA Supreme Court forced redistricting two years ago.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    National Democratic Party is investing a record 50 million in state legislative races. Which might tell you how cheap it is to buy state legislatures for big money.

    Who could have thought this was a good idea?

    Not sure if sarcastic but for anyone who doesn't know why this would be a good idea, winning a shitton of state legislatures in 2010 is a big part of how the GOP fucked everything so hard

    They got into power right as the census results were being put into place so they got to redraw all the lines

    The 2010 election is responsible for the lost decade we just had. If I could have my way, the 2020 election would enable the Democratic party to redraw things so they get 10 years of unfettered power, because we have a ton of work to do, that needs to be done over a sustained period of time to hit a critical mass, and backsliding could literally mean death for vast swaths of people.

    Texas, Michigan, and Pennsylvania having fair maps would be like 10-15 extra seats for Democrats in the House.

    Yeah, look how many seats the democrats got out of VA, once the courts forced them to draw fair maps. Problem is, that only happened because the fuckers couldn't proven that they weren't being fucking racist when they drew the VA maps. Once they figure out how to rig the system without being obviously racist, we're kind of screwed if the current court doesn't get expanded.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Comey letter was next Friday schedule-wise, so if they want to ratfuck around again, the Biden campaign should assume the bastards think that's appropriate timing.

    They already started this week

    The Hunter Biden stuff is landing like a lead balloon. From what I've seen not even getting coverage outside the right wing websites

    The biggest thing is that Hunter Biden / Burisma is old news. All it reminds people of is that Trump got impeached trying to blackmail Ukraine over it.

    If the whistleblower hadn't thrown all that in the open last fall it might have had some teeth, but outside hard right already circles it is - at worst - pretty nepotism everyone assumes is just baked in.

    I can't help but think that an offense about nepotism is always going to land poorly for the Trump campaign, because even the most fervent Trump voter can't ignore that his family have been occupying some absurdly high positions over the last four years.

    Like Jared blackmailing millions out of Qatar to bail out his real estate company?

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Oh hey, I guess Susan Collins' concern doesn't extend very far: https://mainernews.com/susan-collins-backs-qanon-believers-for-maine-legislature/

    "Sen. Susan Collins is financially supporting the state legislative campaigns of two fellow Maine Republicans who fervently believe in QAnon, the perverse conspiracy theory whose adherents are considered a domestic terror threat by the FBI. In recent days, Facebook and YouTube have announced actions to curb the spread of QAnon content due to mounting fears that its followers — who deify President Trump and believe his enemies are a global cabal of pedophilic Satanists — will engage in violence before or after Election Day.

    Kevin Bushey and Brian Redmond, the QAnon believers supported by Collins, are both military veterans who eagerly anticipate a political bloodbath will soon erupt nationwide, ultimately leading to arrests, military trials, and “God-declared executions” for “traitors” like top Democratic politicians and donors, socialists, Planned Parenthood, and Black Lives Matter and Sunrise Movement activists."

    The GOP needs to be burned down, the ashes salted, and then the ashes need to be dumped into an active volcano, made out of acid.

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    Susan Collins kinda reminds me of my mom

    tearfully, apologetically, incessantly wrong

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  • Fleur de AlysFleur de Alys Biohacker Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Nightslyr wrote: »
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    Bogart wrote: »
    It's perhaps not his worst characteristic but I am regularly astonished at how tree-stump-fuckingly stupid he is.

    He’s prideful, wrathful, gluttonous, lustful, greedy, envious, and lazy. He’s an exemplar of every single one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

    And yes, also very stupid.

    It hurts me very deeply that millions of people look at that shambling collection of terrible qualities and think “yes, that’s what I want in a president.”

    It hurts me very deeply that millions of people apparently identify with him and/or exhibit those same traits. Trump is a visible symptom of the underlying problem, and that problem won't magically disappear if Trump loses. It's only the first step in a lot of necessary work.

    I see him and I see everything my culture and values taught is wrong. It's highly dislocating to reality to realize that not everyone thinks bullying is a bad thing, but that in fact, many people admire bullies.
    This is what it's like in the rural American countryside. Toxic masculinity isn't just prevalent, it's essentially currency. The power structure is primarily who can out-tough-guy all the other guys. That creates the pecking order. This is one reason it's so dangerous to be LGBTQ+ out here - it automatically knocks you off the ladder. Having an education also knocks you down the ladder. And women are so inherently powerless that many of us embrace our own oppression. My mother has never voted once in her life.

    Religion here broadly doesn't focus on being a good person. It focuses on fire and brimstone warnings of eternal torture, paired with commands to establish religious dominance over the Other in order to secure the blessings of God, and not a single bit of that is an exaggeration.

    This is why giving rural voters so much power in America is so terrible for our country. I understand the framers' motives on protecting rural communities from the tyranny of cities, but they overcompensated, and now we have imposition from ignorance. That gets us Trumps, along with all the other absolute walnuts in the Tea Party House.

    I have no idea how you'd begin to fix this long-term, but in the short term, it's absolutely critical to reform voting to rip power away from the countryside.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    I think the framers’ motive on “protecting” rural communities from the “tyranny” of cities was the landowners’ protecting their own interests (greed and powet) and the northern, merchant-oriented framer bloc compromising with them

    I really don’t think there’s a peaceful way out on an acceptably short-enough timeline

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Harris County (Houston) has raked in over 100k votes a day for three days now. All record breaking days.

    I accidently slipped into the comments on one of the local news reports on this; reading the comments continues to remain a mistake.

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  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    Remember, after all, this whole country started because some rich people were pissed about paying their taxes.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Biden drew 2.3 million more viewers than Trump.

    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
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  • ChanusChanus I've seen things... Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Remember, after all, this whole country started because some rich people were pissed about paying their taxes.

    that's not entirely fair

    also because they kept being told to stop killing native americans so much because it was expensive to deal with

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Biden drew 2.3 million more viewers than Trump.

    I guess people want Mr. Rodgers and not Jerry Springer.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Biden drew 2.3 million more viewers than Trump.
    Hmmm. That might make Trump understand he is most likely losing, and a little more likely to try some different tack.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    Remember, after all, this whole country started because some rich people were pissed about paying their taxes.

    that's not entirely fair

    also because they kept being told to stop killing native americans so much because it was expensive to deal with

    Yeah it was taxes AND regulation

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