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Trump's Lame Duck Extravaganza
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Donald Trump, having lost the election, gets to be president for a couple of months. This thread is to talk about all the unexpected and expected things he'll do as president for the next 74 days.
Things you can't talk about here:
Democratic party, and Democratic party related shenanigans.
Liberals, the left.
The media.
Things you can't talk about here:
Democratic party, and Democratic party related shenanigans.
Liberals, the left.
The media.
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Trump is going to attempt to absolutely powerbomb whats left of the government on his way out.
This is a thing I expect him to be doing a lot of over the next two and a half months.
The best case scenario right now is him taking his ball and going home.
IMO it would be fantastic if he had dirt that could get Mitch put in jail because I wouldn't at all be surprised if Mitch was up to some illegal shit behind the scenes. Lawlessness seems par for the course for the GOP and jail time for Mitch probably gets him permanently out of the Senate. Though I'd settle for something that just costs the GOP the GA runoffs.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
He's going to fire people who shouldn't be fired and have nothing to do with this because he's a dipshit.
He's going to take anything not bolted down in the White House because he's a petty thief.
Just a long string of "LOOK HOW MUCH OF A TOUGH GUY I STILL AM" type shit, one last assertion of "dominance" or whatever.
Here, lemme try it.
TRUMP CAN GET FUCKED IN EVERY WAY UNTIL JANUARY, THEN HE CAN JUST FUCK OFF
I'm moderately worried about the lame duck, but I'm also hopeful that both Congress (including the Republican side) and all the career officials out there will simply stonewall him for the next couple months while the transition happens. The main concern will be the pardon extravaganza...I expect him to take it further than usual.
I don't know, I'm really hoping for a Jazzy Jeff situation
Operation turbo-fuck everyone he can on his way out the door engaged.
I predict he does crimes that the Republican congress wont even cover for and in an effort to save their own party McConnell and the Republicans in the House throw him deep deep under the bus.
e: OMG the deep state was always about getting rid of Donald Trump! The conspiracy won?!?!
There's zero chance of Trump accepting his loss until after certification, which would be too late?
And even then its a small chance.
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Yes, the usual peaceful transition of power would a concession speech today, have Biden invited to the White House sometime in the coming day or two, and then the preparation to hand of everything would be in full swing. No major policy "stuff" would happen, and half of America would forget that the incoming guy wasn't already President until inauguration day when they'd be like "oh, right."
Instead, we are going to get an absolute shitshow.
Actually, this is exactly why he is liable to backstab republicans. It'll because he can't accept the results, that he'll look upon Mitch and the GOP and feel that they had betrayed him because they got to keep their positions of power.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
So I don't disagree that some backstabbing will happen due to perceived lack of loyalty. However you're implying that Trump recognizes he's in a different position WRT to the election than McConnell. This I dispute.
Keep in mind he already figured out a while ago that he didn't have the votes. That isn't going to impede him one bit from continuing the fight at least till certification, and very likely after. In order to have a scorched earth "if I'm going you're all going with me!", you have to accept that you're going first.
Why would he need to do this? Also what business dealings? This speculation feels a lot like the (wildly inaccurate) speculation that happened on these forums around the time when COMEY got the axe.
. . .and backstabbing Republicans? Why? He got nearly everything he wanted from them including a third Supreme Court pick. He has a bruised ego now, but he'll leave when it is time to leave because while he may not be President after January he still have a ton of political charisma to expend. Makes no sense that he would just say "to hell with it."
yup the supreme court hears the ACA case and likely destroys obamacare on the 10th
I'm guessing there's even money that Trump does something along those lines for less wholesome reasons.
Why would he need to do this? Because he doesn't want to go to jail? We have a pretty good idea that his tax returns are not looking great and are already waiting in the courts. For business dealings, any of the Trump brand stuff that has been happening in Turkey, Russia, etc, where he used his position to profit.
He's got a lot of shit coming his way when he can't hide behind the presidency. So I'm curious if we'll see some sort of covering up or immunity type bargains made here.
I think you're badly confusing Trump for a normal politician.
The fact that he lost is always everyone else's fault, and the first thing he will blame is his ungrateful supreme court picks for not handing him the election, and then all the Republicans that aren't out there arguing for the end of democracy on his behalf. (Don Jr. already went there.) What you've done for him in the past matters zip if you aren't giving him what he wants right now, just ask Comey and Sessions. And look how gleeful he was to trash the 2018 house GoP losses from reps that weren't sufficiently loyal to him, he does not give a shit about the party beyond what they can do for him.
I don't know that he's going to scorched earth as much as people want but there's zero reason for him to go quietly into the night or take one for the team. The only way he leaves peacefully/willingly is if he resigns in a "you can't fire me, I quit!" ("Even though I won the election!") And that will be just before Pence pardons him for all his federal crimes.
Regarding supreme court picks, you have it backwards. Nominating whomever the Federalist Society told him to was something he gave the Republicans so they'd hold their nose and have his back, not something the Republicans gave him.
Not if he deports people and they get murdered in their country of origin, which has happened multiple times already.
He already started doing so:
God I hope so. The next two months will be extremely eventful as Covid runs rampant out of control, the Senate does nothing, and the ACA is overturned and millions of Americans have their health insurance cancelled.
This is on top of the normal graft, pardons, and petty firings. The Trump admin is going to actively burn everything down and leave as many corpses as they can, and this needs to be hammered home in Georgia so people elect a Democratic Senate. It's a long shot, it's going to be difficult, but Trump may accidentally help in this instance.
Remember, Mitch's wife is the current SecTrans, and there are rumors of lots of improprieties with regards to her family's shipping business.
As for stabbing McConnell in the back, I know exactly how Trump does that - he kills McConnell's new stimulus push, giving the Democrats leverage in the GA runoffs.
The thing is that Miller can't do that alone, and now that there's a clock running over his head, people aren't going to stick their necks out for him.
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I'm not sure he's really recovered from it the first time.
I wouldn't count on him getting Covid again. That is not really confirmed as a thing that happens to normal people, and if it is it's at least very rare so far. But.... we'll see. At the very least I think there's good evidence Covid drained him the first time and he's still tired, so maybe he'll just golf and relax these few months.
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I admit this is extremely likely. Especially if he thinks he can use it as some kind of bargaining chip to retain the presidency. He needs some massive incentive to play ball.
By the same token, that just means Republicans have to convince him that they have his back, even if they won't follow through, like with the Barrett pick.