I'm pretty sure they are terrified of moving the timeline forward because that ties their hands for future film releases.
But if they go far enough ahead, they can be vague enough about the past to keep pretty much all their options open.
Realistically, SERIOUS MANDALORIAN SPOILERS
We probably aren’t seeing past the ST until we learn how Grogu survived a second Temple Massacre.
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At this point they should treat it like comic book franchises and just expect to reset the universe every decade or so. Or they could just be explicit about the cycle endlessly repeating itself over and over again.
At this point they should treat it like comic book franchises and just expect to reset the universe every decade or so. Or they could just be explicit about the cycle endlessly repeating itself over and over again.
In Star Wars technology never really advances - it's a universe plagued with regression, setback and apocalypse so you can still go back in time thousands of years and have better technology then they do in the "current" chronology.
The problem these days is Hollywood takes "spend a $100m and you must save the world, solar system, galaxy or universe" as a truism. They're terrified of having a main movie franchise not involve the fate of the galaxy or whatever hence "Death Star laser Star Destroyers" being something I presume a bunch of executives saw and said "you know what, that seems totally fine".
Which is sad because there is a version of post-OT Star Wars, the version we've seen in The Mandalorian where you could go with the agreement that The New Republic will not be destroyed as part of the setting, but is dealing with varied and significant but not apocalyptic threats. But in it's main movie franchise I'm pretty sure the directive from Disney is still, somehow, "no politics" despite the fact this was never really the problem with the Prequels.
In fact I think I could even simplify that further: "there are no planet exploding superweapons. There is noting that can do more damage then the current world nuclear arsenal."
They could have patterned it after the MCU, where we have movies featuring different casts of characters that only come together for crossover events. It would have had the advantage of not having the comics laying around creating expectations.
I'm pretty sure they are terrified of moving the timeline forward because that ties their hands for future film releases.
They (justifiably) ran screaming from film releases after TROS. They should be more terrified of not doing stuff Filoni and Favreau have signed off on.
The premise of Star Wars High Republic has about as much appeal to me as the premise for Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Discovery.
I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
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Star wars has always had different eras being explored at the same time.
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I mean, they had some stuff post RoTJ in the books, but KotOR wasn't until after AotC
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The premise of Star Wars High Republic has about as much appeal to me as the premise for Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Discovery.
I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
I'd be OK with a prequel setting as long as it has a specific story it's trying to tell. Enterprise would have been better if it had focused on the story of how the Federation was created instead of just a bunch of random stories with hull plating instead of shields. High Republic might be worth it if they try and tell a story about how the Republic and the Jedi took their first steps on the path to ruin.
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The premise of Star Wars High Republic has about as much appeal to me as the premise for Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Discovery.
I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
High Republic isn’t a prequel though? It’s just a setting. They picked an arbitrary date to tell some stories in. One thankfully detached from almost anything in the OT.
I don’t really care what imaginary year the events will take place during.
The premise of Star Wars High Republic has about as much appeal to me as the premise for Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Discovery.
I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
High Republic isn’t a prequel though? It’s just a setting. They picked an arbitrary date to tell some stories in. One thankfully detached from almost anything in the OT.
I don’t really care what imaginary year the events will take place during.
The High Republic is basically the PT but without the whole Clone Wars/Sith thing from what I've seen. They are basically aiming for enough before the PT that everything is fine and gonna be fine for awhile but close enough that it's basically the same.
The premise of Star Wars High Republic has about as much appeal to me as the premise for Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Discovery.
I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
High Republic isn’t a prequel though? It’s just a setting. They picked an arbitrary date to tell some stories in. One thankfully detached from almost anything in the OT.
I don’t really care what imaginary year the events will take place during.
The High Republic is basically the PT but without the whole Clone Wars/Sith thing from what I've seen. They are basically aiming for enough before the PT that everything is fine and gonna be fine for awhile but close enough that it's basically the same.
200 years earlier just doesn’t seem far enough removed to me.
The premise of Star Wars High Republic has about as much appeal to me as the premise for Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Discovery.
I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
High Republic isn’t a prequel though? It’s just a setting. They picked an arbitrary date to tell some stories in. One thankfully detached from almost anything in the OT.
I don’t really care what imaginary year the events will take place during.
The High Republic is basically the PT but without the whole Clone Wars/Sith thing from what I've seen. They are basically aiming for enough before the PT that everything is fine and gonna be fine for awhile but close enough that it's basically the same.
200 years earlier just doesn’t seem far enough removed to me.
Oddly, 200 years later would work for me.
Yeah, I was surprised it was only that little too. It feels only just long enough to work. Like cutting it real tight here.
The beginning of the fall of the Jedi, rather than the end.
That’s something that’d be cool to see. There’s no way the Jedi realistically acted like unfeeling jerks their whole existence. Watching a more open, friendlier order slide in to rigid dogma has good potential.
The beginning of the fall of the Jedi, rather than the end.
When things were great (except they were never really great for the people in the margins) are stories we really should be telling more about these days.
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the starting point is the jedi at (something resembling) their actual best, instead of the truly shitty enforcement arm they are by the time episode 1 rolls around. Which is interesting, because even 'old republic' stuff has tended to look like prequel jedi (read: awful) a lot of the time. I've only read the first few chapters they put online but the distinction was really well done, imo.
I don't think this era is going to get into, say, palpatine learning the secrets of force immaculate conception, but i do think you'll probably see a bit of the groundwork for the jedi order becoming more militant and hopelessly entwined with the republic.
The premise of Star Wars High Republic has about as much appeal to me as the premise for Star Trek Enterprise and Star Trek Discovery.
I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
High Republic isn’t a prequel though? It’s just a setting. They picked an arbitrary date to tell some stories in. One thankfully detached from almost anything in the OT.
I don’t really care what imaginary year the events will take place during.
The High Republic is basically the PT but without the whole Clone Wars/Sith thing from what I've seen. They are basically aiming for enough before the PT that everything is fine and gonna be fine for awhile but close enough that it's basically the same.
200 years earlier just doesn’t seem far enough removed to me.
Oddly, 200 years later would work for me.
Yeah, 200 years earlier puts it in Kenobi's "For a thousand generations..." era of Jedi peace keepers, so we kind of know what to expect.
200 years in the future though... that's 6 times the lifespan of the Empire (from end of Clone Wars to end of Return of the Jedi). That would give plenty of time for the New Republic to rise, fall, and something new to reform out of the ashes and then crumble or an entire different string of events.
I'd be curious to see what other than just a gradual dogmatic rot pushed them to trying to eradicate anything even remotely Dark even within normal human nature from where they presumably started.
The Qui-Gon comic a while back presents the idea that lashing out at perceived Dark Side stuff is what allows it to flourish, and that staying calm basically starves it out.
Hating the Dark and seeking to destroy it in every corner of the galaxy or your soul is itself Dark no matter how detached and devoted to the Light you think of yourself as being.
But if you have a shocking close call as an institution, staying the course because everything turned out fine can be hard to sell.
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The more you watch the PT and it's other stuff, the more disturbing lightsaber combat becomes. That shit is just limbs flying everywhere. It's kinda fucked up.
The beginning of the fall of the Jedi, rather than the end.
I think the idea is to avoid anything to do with the fall of the jedi and the republic. This is the High Republic when everything is awesome.
Someone Mentioned Marius and Sulla, which falls firmly into the beginning of the fall of the Roman Republic
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The problem with a setting like the High Republic is if they try to do some kind of big epic storylines, like maybe someone tries to destroy the Republic. Well, we already know that aint gonna happen for another 200 years, so it's not a very exciting story.
Or they might do something lame like there's a planet destroying super weapon and it's pointed right at Hossian Prime. O-hoo, Hossian Prime has been spared......... THIS TIME DUN-DUN-DUUUUUN *wink wink nudge nudge*
If they stick to, like, character-centric stories it could work, but I have very little faith they'll do that. Sooner or later some kind of galaxy spanning epic storyline will come about and it'll be stupid.
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If the High Republic sticks with low-key character-driven stories, I might entirely retract my annoyance at the time period they're picking.
But five bucks says it's all going to tie into Darth Sidious and his master in order to tie it to high-stakes galaxy-altering shit.
The problem with a setting like the High Republic is if they try to do some kind of big epic storylines, like maybe someone tries to destroy the Republic. Well, we already know that aint gonna happen for another 200 years, so it's not a very exciting story.
Or they might do something lame like there's a planet destroying super weapon and it's pointed right at Hossian Prime. O-hoo, Hossian Prime has been spared......... THIS TIME DUN-DUN-DUUUUUN *wink wink nudge nudge*
If they stick to, like, character-centric stories it could work, but I have very little faith they'll do that. Sooner or later some kind of galaxy spanning epic storyline will come about and it'll be stupid.
I'm a huge fan of big settings with localized crises. I'm not sure Hollywood entirely knows how to do those, but you could totally tell an amazing story of like, a couple of neighboring star systems squaring off for a localized war, and the threat to the Republic is the ramifications of trying to deal with it (and debate over how they should deal with it) from a couple of different perspectives.
I mean if you wanted to tie everything together, such an event would totally be the sort of thing which kickstarts then "grand army of the Republic" argument and leads to the eventual setting for the secret clone army order by disaffected Jedi separatists who eventually get exploited by the Sith for the events of the PT and where that leads.
Give me space battles with weird constraints and unclear belligerents, Republic cruiser's trying to navigate peacekeeping between factions going out of their way to provoke and escalate one another, or war where no one has military hardware and it's all militias and "space technicals" getting in fights.
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Well, hopefully the showrunner(s?) realize the appeal of Mandalorian was that it wasn't about galaxy spanning warfare, but about smaller scale plots. (At least until S2 anyway...)
The beginning of the fall of the Jedi, rather than the end.
That’s something that’d be cool to see. There’s no way the Jedi realistically acted like unfeeling jerks their whole existence. Watching a more open, friendlier order slide in to rigid dogma has good potential.
But that would be change, which we all know is icky :P
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But if they go far enough ahead, they can be vague enough about the past to keep pretty much all their options open.
Realistically, SERIOUS MANDALORIAN SPOILERS
In Star Wars technology never really advances - it's a universe plagued with regression, setback and apocalypse so you can still go back in time thousands of years and have better technology then they do in the "current" chronology.
The problem these days is Hollywood takes "spend a $100m and you must save the world, solar system, galaxy or universe" as a truism. They're terrified of having a main movie franchise not involve the fate of the galaxy or whatever hence "Death Star laser Star Destroyers" being something I presume a bunch of executives saw and said "you know what, that seems totally fine".
Which is sad because there is a version of post-OT Star Wars, the version we've seen in The Mandalorian where you could go with the agreement that The New Republic will not be destroyed as part of the setting, but is dealing with varied and significant but not apocalyptic threats. But in it's main movie franchise I'm pretty sure the directive from Disney is still, somehow, "no politics" despite the fact this was never really the problem with the Prequels.
In fact I think I could even simplify that further: "there are no planet exploding superweapons. There is noting that can do more damage then the current world nuclear arsenal."
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I really give no fucks about prequels and pre-prequels, and although those other shows were bad for other reasons than their timelines, I'm concerned that the kind of management cowardice that prevents a show from advancing a setting engenders the kind of environment where you get a poorly written series.
I'd be OK with a prequel setting as long as it has a specific story it's trying to tell. Enterprise would have been better if it had focused on the story of how the Federation was created instead of just a bunch of random stories with hull plating instead of shields. High Republic might be worth it if they try and tell a story about how the Republic and the Jedi took their first steps on the path to ruin.
And the comics that KOTOR was based on was started in 92.
IIRC, that was a great, long running, comic series.
I will die on the hill that Redemption is the one legit great thing that Kevin James Anderson has written.
High Republic isn’t a prequel though? It’s just a setting. They picked an arbitrary date to tell some stories in. One thankfully detached from almost anything in the OT.
I don’t really care what imaginary year the events will take place during.
The High Republic is basically the PT but without the whole Clone Wars/Sith thing from what I've seen. They are basically aiming for enough before the PT that everything is fine and gonna be fine for awhile but close enough that it's basically the same.
200 years earlier just doesn’t seem far enough removed to me.
Oddly, 200 years later would work for me.
Yeah, I was surprised it was only that little too. It feels only just long enough to work. Like cutting it real tight here.
If they play it like that that's actually going to be really cool.
That’s something that’d be cool to see. There’s no way the Jedi realistically acted like unfeeling jerks their whole existence. Watching a more open, friendlier order slide in to rigid dogma has good potential.
When things were great (except they were never really great for the people in the margins) are stories we really should be telling more about these days.
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I think the idea is to avoid anything to do with the fall of the jedi and the republic. This is the High Republic when everything is awesome.
the starting point is the jedi at (something resembling) their actual best, instead of the truly shitty enforcement arm they are by the time episode 1 rolls around. Which is interesting, because even 'old republic' stuff has tended to look like prequel jedi (read: awful) a lot of the time. I've only read the first few chapters they put online but the distinction was really well done, imo.
I don't think this era is going to get into, say, palpatine learning the secrets of force immaculate conception, but i do think you'll probably see a bit of the groundwork for the jedi order becoming more militant and hopelessly entwined with the republic.
Yeah, 200 years earlier puts it in Kenobi's "For a thousand generations..." era of Jedi peace keepers, so we kind of know what to expect.
200 years in the future though... that's 6 times the lifespan of the Empire (from end of Clone Wars to end of Return of the Jedi). That would give plenty of time for the New Republic to rise, fall, and something new to reform out of the ashes and then crumble or an entire different string of events.
The Qui-Gon comic a while back presents the idea that lashing out at perceived Dark Side stuff is what allows it to flourish, and that staying calm basically starves it out.
Hating the Dark and seeking to destroy it in every corner of the galaxy or your soul is itself Dark no matter how detached and devoted to the Light you think of yourself as being.
But if you have a shocking close call as an institution, staying the course because everything turned out fine can be hard to sell.
That’ll get me to watch it.
A one-armed Trandoshan Jedi, which... Trandoshans can regrow limbs, so...
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Someone Mentioned Marius and Sulla, which falls firmly into the beginning of the fall of the Roman Republic
Or they might do something lame like there's a planet destroying super weapon and it's pointed right at Hossian Prime. O-hoo, Hossian Prime has been spared......... THIS TIME DUN-DUN-DUUUUUN *wink wink nudge nudge*
If they stick to, like, character-centric stories it could work, but I have very little faith they'll do that. Sooner or later some kind of galaxy spanning epic storyline will come about and it'll be stupid.
But five bucks says it's all going to tie into Darth Sidious and his master in order to tie it to high-stakes galaxy-altering shit.
I'm a huge fan of big settings with localized crises. I'm not sure Hollywood entirely knows how to do those, but you could totally tell an amazing story of like, a couple of neighboring star systems squaring off for a localized war, and the threat to the Republic is the ramifications of trying to deal with it (and debate over how they should deal with it) from a couple of different perspectives.
I mean if you wanted to tie everything together, such an event would totally be the sort of thing which kickstarts then "grand army of the Republic" argument and leads to the eventual setting for the secret clone army order by disaffected Jedi separatists who eventually get exploited by the Sith for the events of the PT and where that leads.
Give me space battles with weird constraints and unclear belligerents, Republic cruiser's trying to navigate peacekeeping between factions going out of their way to provoke and escalate one another, or war where no one has military hardware and it's all militias and "space technicals" getting in fights.
But that would be change, which we all know is icky :P
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