The Department of Justice has submitted a proposal to the White House to change the way they enforce Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
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The change would specifically eliminate “disparate impact” protections for minorities. This is one of the most important tools in civil rights cases, because it doesn’t require plaintiffs to prove intent to discriminate. Instead, it covers instances where policies have a different impact on minority groups.
For example, one of the most famous of these types of cases involved literacy tests for voting that was meant to prevent Black people from voting. Because they had frequently been forced out of schools, this put Black people at a disadvantage. The law didn’t specifically single out Black Americans, but its effects took away their right to vote more than others.
this is one that needs reversing, ASAP.
I can't see how it would even make it through what I assume is the rule-making process for this kind of thing before Biden is in charge and just kills it. But maybe it can move faster then that.
It can't, and will be subject to the Congressional Review Act. Which, actually, might be a blessing in disguise because that would make any future regulatory proposal like this explicitly illegal.
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Even if they managed to get it passed in the next two weeks, what'd be stopping Biden from just nullifying it?
The Department of Justice has submitted a proposal to the White House to change the way they enforce Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
..
The change would specifically eliminate “disparate impact” protections for minorities. This is one of the most important tools in civil rights cases, because it doesn’t require plaintiffs to prove intent to discriminate. Instead, it covers instances where policies have a different impact on minority groups.
For example, one of the most famous of these types of cases involved literacy tests for voting that was meant to prevent Black people from voting. Because they had frequently been forced out of schools, this put Black people at a disadvantage. The law didn’t specifically single out Black Americans, but its effects took away their right to vote more than others.
this is one that needs reversing, ASAP.
I can't see how it would even make it through what I assume is the rule-making process for this kind of thing before Biden is in charge and just kills it. But maybe it can move faster then that.
It can't, and will be subject to the Congressional Review Act. Which, actually, might be a blessing in disguise because that would make any future regulatory proposal like this explicitly illegal.
The proposed change was quietly submitted by the department last month and bypassed the normal federal rule-making process that requires the government to publish the change and allow for public comment. It was one of former Attorney General Bill Barr’s last acts.
Yeah, so, basically what I figured. So this should (hopefully) all be for nothing and no one gets harmed.
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But even if people are making lists of this shit, even if they only spend a little time establishing what was done, why it was bad, how they can fix it, and maybe even spitball some ways to improve, so much awful needs fixing it’ll all add up to take time.
Time during which the US political Right will be yelling at them about how they need to fix everything and also are something something death panels, while the political Left lambastes them for only solving 5 of the 5 million things that need doing.
We joke about it here all the time. Hell, posters in D&D openly joke about expecting to be insufferable shortly after the new admin takes power, due to their expected failures to fix things and make actual improvements.
Which is to say that trashing enough shit on the way out is actually both very on brand for this admin, and might help provide enough (figurative) rope to let various groups hang themselves (up with infighting).
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
The Republicans tried adding an amendment to the coronavirus relief bill that would defund any schools that allowed transgender kids to play on sports teams that did not correspond to their gender assigned-at-birth.
Tommy Tuberville introduced the amendment, but the vote was defeated 50-49 (it needed 60 votes to pass).
Lisa Murkowksi was the only Republican who voted against the amendment.
Joe Manchin was the only Democrat who voted for it.
(if anyone is confused by the vote count one of the Republicans fucked off to Alaska earlier in the day)
Not to be outdone, Alabama Republicans introduced a bill to criminalize providing healthcare to trans kids and some adults, as well as force teachers into reporting any gender conforming behavior.
The Republicans tried adding an amendment to the coronavirus relief bill that would defund any schools that allowed transgender kids to play on sports teams that did not correspond to their gender assigned-at-birth.
Tommy Tuberville introduced the amendment, but the vote was defeated 50-49 (it needed 60 votes to pass).
Lisa Murkowksi was the only Republican who voted against the amendment.
Joe Manchin was the only Democrat who voted for it.
Fucking seriously? I've defended Manchin in the past as the lesser evil (rather than Republicans winning that seat, and for example, Garland having zero chance of confirmation), but he's making it VERY hard to continue to do so. Given it wasn't going to win, he could have just voted Present (and then used some excuse as to why, it being a states rights matter and this was federal overreach, I mean he's proficient at using bullshit justifications for his positions).
Also, Susan Collins can continue to sit near the top of my "Fuck off you feckless hypocritical shitbird" board for not at least abstaining either (after all, I thought abstinence was their "thing"). I mean, she'll have some issue unseating Rubio, or current top place Lindsay Graham, but she keeps trying. Kavanaugh definitely put her up there, but Graham's screaming fit at the confirmation kept him atop it.
Just have to enforce their own small minded "morality" on the population. Continue to tire of this shit.
This is pretty much the exact scenario where phrases like "the lesser evil" hold no meaning. If the lesser evil is still bigoted against a minority, the aspects elsewhere in which they can be useful to the party are a cold comfort to the minority. We were fortunate this time, but...
Manchin is still the lesser evil, but he's clearly more like a moderate Republican than a Democrat. The thing is, from his state, any Republican replacing him would not be even remotely moderate, and probably a mad Trumper.
I have to bring this up: Lately, I've been seeing the phrase "lesser evil" being used a lot by people to excuse/minimize all sorts of behavior from Democratic politicians.
Manchin supported the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. He voted against repealing DADT back in 2010. He opposed legalizing same-sex marriage, and his official statement on the ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges was, and I quote in its entirety:
“America is a nation of laws, and we must respect and abide by the Supreme Court’s decision.”
We've known he's no ally to LGBT rights for quite some time now.
Maybe we should strive to hold our elected officials to a higher standard than "less evil than the Republican candidate." "Less evil" is still evil.
This is pretty much the exact scenario where phrases like "the lesser evil" hold no meaning. If the lesser evil is still bigoted against a minority, the aspects elsewhere in which they can be useful to the party are a cold comfort to the minority. We were fortunate this time, but...
Lesser evil in that some of the things he will accomplish have potential for good whereas a Republican in that spot wouldn't (ie, the Garland nomination I mentioned), not that in this specific trans rights case, he's any better than the vilest foaming at the mouth Republican.
Cold comfort to those directly affected, but not having an AG, or having one that would pass a Republican Senate, and allowing zero judicial nominations to pass for the next four years, on top of the transphobia, would be inarguably worse.
Maybe we should strive to hold our elected officials to a higher standard than "less evil than the Republican candidate." "Less evil" is still evil.
I don't vote in West Virginia.
Our choice is Joe Manchin, who is conservative but doesn't vote with the Republicans all the time. Or Joe Republican, who always votes with the Republicans.
West Virginia isn't a place that's going to return a socialist firebrand.
There's a big gulf between Joe Manchin and this hypothetical socialist firebrand you've introduced, and the not-evil side starts a fair ways before you get to where the socialist firebrand is standing.
Like not consistently opposing rights for LGBT folx.
Maybe we should strive to hold our elected officials to a higher standard than "less evil than the Republican candidate." "Less evil" is still evil.
I don't vote in West Virginia.
Our choice is Joe Manchin, who is conservative but doesn't vote with the Republicans all the time. Or Joe Republican, who always votes with the Republicans.
West Virginia isn't a place that's going to return a socialist firebrand.
There's a big gulf between Joe Manchin and this hypothetical socialist firebrand you've introduced, and the not-evil side starts a fair ways before you get to where the socialist firebrand is standing.
West Virginia went for Trump+40. Yes, Manchin is essentially a moderate Republican with an egregious record on LGBT rights, but treating any scenario where we can get anyone who isn't worse in the seat is... overly optimistic.
Hi, bi trans woman here. The fact that you're turning a thread about the rights about me and my community into yet another Manchin slap fight thread is kinda gross.
Especially since none of you apparently give a shit about the much worse bill I posted about.
Hi, bi trans woman here. The fact that you're turning a thread about the rights about me and my community into yet another Manchin slap fight thread is kinda gross.
Especially since none of you apparently give a shit about the much worse bill I posted about.
Also Bi trans woman here
Manchin is a bastard, and no one is coopting the suffering of our community for a dunk here.
No one made him side with the GOP against the community. That is on him. And he should be held accountable for it
I don't know that this one is a great one to debate. It's so direct to people's lives that a lot of things you could say are going to cut and hurt someone no matter how much you tried to make it so they didn't. All we can do is accept that at this time, Manchin is stuck here, and we really need to do what we can to make sure that he does not have an opportunity to hurt anyone with the power he has, and emphasize to our political leaders that being in an alliance with him does affect our ability to feel safe.
I would very much like an exhaustive list of gender conformity rules from those Republicans. None of this "I know it when I see it" nonsense. Detail for everyone how teenage boys and girls are supposed to act.
Cause based on my own experience I'm fairly certain I know how most teenagers will act.
To paraphrase Frederick Douglas, when speaking of the Republican Party regarding the rights of black Americans, the party is the boat, and all else is the sea.
Joe Manchin decided he wanted to be a goddamn breach in the hull.
I would very much like an exhaustive list of gender conformity rules from those Republicans. None of this "I know it when I see it" nonsense. Detail for everyone how teenage boys and girls are supposed to act.
Cause based on my own experience I'm fairly certain I know how most teenagers will act.
Hi, bi trans woman here. The fact that you're turning a thread about the rights about me and my community into yet another Manchin slap fight thread is kinda gross.
Especially since none of you apparently give a shit about the much worse bill I posted about.
Also Bi trans woman here
Manchin is a bastard, and no one is coopting the suffering of our community for a dunk here.
No one made him side with the GOP against the community. That is on him. And he should be held accountable for it
We don't need 30 pages of the stupid lesser evil vs burn it all down argument on a topic that had no chance of becoming law anyway.. Manchin is an transphobic asshole, it is known.
Our rights, our humanity should not be conditional.
Sorry I removed the post because I realised it was hurtful.
I appreciate it, but it is frustrating as hell this shit has to keep happening.
We expect this shit from the GOP. They’re a collection of bigoted, neoconfederate bastards whose entire power structure relies on the patriarchy and its life destroying toxicity. We shouldn’t have to be fielding this shit, in the year 2021, from Democrats as well. They have to be goddamn better.
And there’s the paranoia that this shit is gonna keep happening; this is like a mirror of the shit I keep hearing about out of the UK from UK trans an other UK queer folk, and how it has purchase even among ostensible liberals over there
I don’t want that shit happening here. We can’t afford for it to. Getting trump and his cadre out of power was supposed to be a bulwark against that. But Manchin’s support works to legitimize it within the party, which means under no certain terms can it be accepted whatsoever. The trans community and our allies cannot, under any circumstance, allow that shit to get laundered into the only party that has the power and will to help us in America
And so I guess to answer the earlier question: The reason folks are focusing on Manchin instead of the “worse bill” is because of the fact that Manchin, even though he’s one democrat versus a GOP backed bill that’s even worse, is Manchin represents an existential threat to our only electoral safeguard (the Democrats)
The UK has gone crazy about trans people. I blame JK Rowling, honestly. She made it respectable to hate trans people.
It is, sadly, deeper than Rowling. My understanding is it’s particularly borne out of the difference between the Feminist circles in the US and the UK, but now that it’s growing more in the UK, it’s hitting the point where it can start exporting to other connected communities (like the US)
But Rowling is definitely a vector for it’s spread. But its important to remember she’s only that: a vector, not the source
I would say it's more that Rowling was such a prominent figure that it caused a number of people to be exposed to behaviour that was not being disseminated as publicly.
And there’s the paranoia that this shit is gonna keep happening; this is like a mirror of the shit I keep hearing about out of the UK from UK trans an other UK queer folk, and how it has purchase even among ostensible liberals over there
I don’t want that shit happening here. We can’t afford for it to. Getting trump and his cadre out of power was supposed to be a bulwark against that. But Manchin’s support works to legitimize it within the party, which means under no certain terms can it be accepted whatsoever. The trans community and our allies cannot, under any circumstance, allow that shit to get laundered into the only party that has the power and will to help us in America
Manchin means it had support with Manchin, which isn't surprising since he's tbe rightmost Dem. But fortunately that also makes his shit less dangerous since it's just "conservative Dem sides with Republicans" which is yeah no shit that happens.
What makes the UK stuff more persuasive is a bunch of actual left wingers buy into it. Manchin isn't the inroad they want there. Gabbard might have been but thankfully she went mask off too early and flamed out.
I was under the impression that Rowling herself got caught up in it because it was so widespread there
That is mine as well; it started when she started expressing sympathies to less well known transphobes, and then the press kept pushing on that until it reached the point she went out and out vocal TERF
And there’s the paranoia that this shit is gonna keep happening; this is like a mirror of the shit I keep hearing about out of the UK from UK trans an other UK queer folk, and how it has purchase even among ostensible liberals over there
I don’t want that shit happening here. We can’t afford for it to. Getting trump and his cadre out of power was supposed to be a bulwark against that. But Manchin’s support works to legitimize it within the party, which means under no certain terms can it be accepted whatsoever. The trans community and our allies cannot, under any circumstance, allow that shit to get laundered into the only party that has the power and will to help us in America
Manchin means it had support with Manchin, which isn't surprising since he's tbe rightmost Dem. But fortunately that also makes his shit less dangerous since it's just "conservative Dem sides with Republicans" which is yeah no shit that happens.
What makes the UK stuff more persuasive is a bunch of actual left wingers buy into it. Manchin isn't the inroad they want there. Gabbard might have been but thankfully she went mask off too early and flamed out.
Any breach in the hull is still a breach in the hull.
And there’s the paranoia that this shit is gonna keep happening; this is like a mirror of the shit I keep hearing about out of the UK from UK trans an other UK queer folk, and how it has purchase even among ostensible liberals over there
I don’t want that shit happening here. We can’t afford for it to. Getting trump and his cadre out of power was supposed to be a bulwark against that. But Manchin’s support works to legitimize it within the party, which means under no certain terms can it be accepted whatsoever. The trans community and our allies cannot, under any circumstance, allow that shit to get laundered into the only party that has the power and will to help us in America
Manchin means it had support with Manchin, which isn't surprising since he's tbe rightmost Dem. But fortunately that also makes his shit less dangerous since it's just "conservative Dem sides with Republicans" which is yeah no shit that happens.
What makes the UK stuff more persuasive is a bunch of actual left wingers buy into it. Manchin isn't the inroad they want there. Gabbard might have been but thankfully she went mask off too early and flamed out.
Any breach in the hull is still a breach in the hull.
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It can't, and will be subject to the Congressional Review Act. Which, actually, might be a blessing in disguise because that would make any future regulatory proposal like this explicitly illegal.
Yeah, so, basically what I figured. So this should (hopefully) all be for nothing and no one gets harmed.
Nothing.
Time during which the US political Right will be yelling at them about how they need to fix everything and also are something something death panels, while the political Left lambastes them for only solving 5 of the 5 million things that need doing.
We joke about it here all the time. Hell, posters in D&D openly joke about expecting to be insufferable shortly after the new admin takes power, due to their expected failures to fix things and make actual improvements.
Which is to say that trashing enough shit on the way out is actually both very on brand for this admin, and might help provide enough (figurative) rope to let various groups hang themselves (up with infighting).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-lifts-pentagon-s-ban-on-transgender-people-serving-in-military/ar-BB1d3y79?ocid=msedgntp
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Tommy Tuberville introduced the amendment, but the vote was defeated 50-49 (it needed 60 votes to pass).
Lisa Murkowksi was the only Republican who voted against the amendment.
Joe Manchin was the only Democrat who voted for it.
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Not to be outdone, Alabama Republicans introduced a bill to criminalize providing healthcare to trans kids and some adults, as well as force teachers into reporting any gender conforming behavior.
https://legiscan.com/AL/bill/SB10/2021
Fucking seriously? I've defended Manchin in the past as the lesser evil (rather than Republicans winning that seat, and for example, Garland having zero chance of confirmation), but he's making it VERY hard to continue to do so. Given it wasn't going to win, he could have just voted Present (and then used some excuse as to why, it being a states rights matter and this was federal overreach, I mean he's proficient at using bullshit justifications for his positions).
Also, Susan Collins can continue to sit near the top of my "Fuck off you feckless hypocritical shitbird" board for not at least abstaining either (after all, I thought abstinence was their "thing"). I mean, she'll have some issue unseating Rubio, or current top place Lindsay Graham, but she keeps trying. Kavanaugh definitely put her up there, but Graham's screaming fit at the confirmation kept him atop it.
Just have to enforce their own small minded "morality" on the population. Continue to tire of this shit.
I have to bring this up: Lately, I've been seeing the phrase "lesser evil" being used a lot by people to excuse/minimize all sorts of behavior from Democratic politicians.
Manchin supported the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. He voted against repealing DADT back in 2010. He opposed legalizing same-sex marriage, and his official statement on the ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges was, and I quote in its entirety:
We've known he's no ally to LGBT rights for quite some time now.
Maybe we should strive to hold our elected officials to a higher standard than "less evil than the Republican candidate." "Less evil" is still evil.
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Lesser evil in that some of the things he will accomplish have potential for good whereas a Republican in that spot wouldn't (ie, the Garland nomination I mentioned), not that in this specific trans rights case, he's any better than the vilest foaming at the mouth Republican.
Cold comfort to those directly affected, but not having an AG, or having one that would pass a Republican Senate, and allowing zero judicial nominations to pass for the next four years, on top of the transphobia, would be inarguably worse.
There's a big gulf between Joe Manchin and this hypothetical socialist firebrand you've introduced, and the not-evil side starts a fair ways before you get to where the socialist firebrand is standing.
Like not consistently opposing rights for LGBT folx.
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West Virginia went for Trump+40. Yes, Manchin is essentially a moderate Republican with an egregious record on LGBT rights, but treating any scenario where we can get anyone who isn't worse in the seat is... overly optimistic.
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I did not mean egregious for a Republican. I meant he votes like a Republican on those issues, which is egregious.
It means quite a bit when it comes to the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice.
Especially since none of you apparently give a shit about the much worse bill I posted about.
Also Bi trans woman here
Manchin is a bastard, and no one is coopting the suffering of our community for a dunk here.
No one made him side with the GOP against the community. That is on him. And he should be held accountable for it
I’m not asking for Socialism.
I’m asking him to not hurt trans people.
Our rights, our humanity should not be conditional.
Sorry I removed the post because I realised it was hurtful.
Cause based on my own experience I'm fairly certain I know how most teenagers will act.
Joe Manchin decided he wanted to be a goddamn breach in the hull.
Probably something like this
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-school-scraps-chivalry-assignment-had-girls-obey-any-reasonable-n1259730
We don't need 30 pages of the stupid lesser evil vs burn it all down argument on a topic that had no chance of becoming law anyway.. Manchin is an transphobic asshole, it is known.
I appreciate it, but it is frustrating as hell this shit has to keep happening.
We expect this shit from the GOP. They’re a collection of bigoted, neoconfederate bastards whose entire power structure relies on the patriarchy and its life destroying toxicity. We shouldn’t have to be fielding this shit, in the year 2021, from Democrats as well. They have to be goddamn better.
I don’t want that shit happening here. We can’t afford for it to. Getting trump and his cadre out of power was supposed to be a bulwark against that. But Manchin’s support works to legitimize it within the party, which means under no certain terms can it be accepted whatsoever. The trans community and our allies cannot, under any circumstance, allow that shit to get laundered into the only party that has the power and will to help us in America
And so I guess to answer the earlier question: The reason folks are focusing on Manchin instead of the “worse bill” is because of the fact that Manchin, even though he’s one democrat versus a GOP backed bill that’s even worse, is Manchin represents an existential threat to our only electoral safeguard (the Democrats)
It is, sadly, deeper than Rowling. My understanding is it’s particularly borne out of the difference between the Feminist circles in the US and the UK, but now that it’s growing more in the UK, it’s hitting the point where it can start exporting to other connected communities (like the US)
But Rowling is definitely a vector for it’s spread. But its important to remember she’s only that: a vector, not the source
Manchin means it had support with Manchin, which isn't surprising since he's tbe rightmost Dem. But fortunately that also makes his shit less dangerous since it's just "conservative Dem sides with Republicans" which is yeah no shit that happens.
What makes the UK stuff more persuasive is a bunch of actual left wingers buy into it. Manchin isn't the inroad they want there. Gabbard might have been but thankfully she went mask off too early and flamed out.
That is mine as well; it started when she started expressing sympathies to less well known transphobes, and then the press kept pushing on that until it reached the point she went out and out vocal TERF
Any breach in the hull is still a breach in the hull.
"Less dangerous" not "zero".