Oh yeah, these new double-sided cards bring up the question of how their cmc is calculated? Like, if I'm playing Tibalt, can Lurrus be my companion?
CMC and all other characteristics are of the front face. You can play Tibalt in a Lurrus deck. Can't cast the Tibalt side from the yard though.
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All these double faced cards have a top side that is the default for the cards when they are in every zone except the battlefield/stack for the opposite side.
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WotC has said they want to move away from "here is this cool world now we are destroying it" so this and the idea Kaldheim is oil-poisoned already both seem unlikely based on those statements.
I think they might make an exception for a Norse mythology plane, since some kind of apocalypse scenario would naturally be built into the setting.
It's hard to imagine them doing the same thing to Innistrad though, since that's such a huge cash cow for them. Then again, maybe after two visits to Innistrad, they've concluded that its storytelling potential is spent, so it's okay to sacrifice it to the larger narrative.
(my actual assumption is that there will be 2 gods in each colour and then two "Snow" gods)
I think the reason why there are two extra gods will be related to the narrative.
Specifically, I think Esika is a former oldwalker who created Kaldheim. Then, after the Mending, she sacrificed her spark to become a god, just like Xenagos did.
Then there's Tibalt, who is not a god at all, but is somehow successfully passing himself off as one. I like to imagine that conversation went something like this:
Toralf: Shut up, Halvar! You're the worst member of this family! Halvar: Fuck you, Toralf! You're the whole reason this family's going to shit! Tibalt: Hello, brothers! It is I, Valki, your other brother who has always been here the whole time! Toralf: Shut up, Valki! You're the worst member of this family! Halvar: Don't talk to Valki that way, you asshole! Tibalt: (Nice, they're buying it!)
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Tegrid looks really fun especially with the context of fabled passage
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Interesting that Tegrid shares Nicol Bolas's "torment" mechanic from Amonkhet
Is there an Ugin card in standard? I decided to build a standard deck like three weeks ago and I've been playing a few games a day since. I have yet to see one.
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Is there an Ugin card in standard? I decided to build a standard deck like three weeks ago and I've been playing a few games a day since. I have yet to see one.
It's a 1-3x in a less popular version of the Temur Ramp deck, but most of those have switched to Obosh, and it's a 1-2x in some of the Doom Foretold decks.
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Ugin is occasionally seen as a boardwipe for green ramp but otherwise he’s way too expensive for a card that doesn’t immediately win you the game.
He is ever-present in brawl, though.
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Probably limited-only but 3-mana draw-one 3/2 with upside isn't a bad rate in constructed (see: Rogue Refiner). It could work if there's a deck for it, but it won't make a deck exist.
Is Koma actually good? I suspect Koma might actually be good tbh
I've been thinking about it this evening and I think that as a payoff in a ramp deck it basically says "have an exile effect or a kill spell right now or be prepared to lose the game"
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Probably limited-only but 3-mana draw-one 3/2 with upside isn't a bad rate in constructed (see: Rogue Refiner). It could work if there's a deck for it, but it won't make a deck exist.
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Is Koma actually good? I suspect Koma might actually be good tbh
I've been thinking about it this evening and I think that as a payoff in a ramp deck it basically says "have an exile effect or a kill spell right now or be prepared to lose the game"
Koma is uncounterable and immune to most standard removal after the next upkeep.
So yeah, kinda good.
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Probably limited-only but 3-mana draw-one 3/2 with upside isn't a bad rate in constructed (see: Rogue Refiner). It could work if there's a deck for it, but it won't make a deck exist.
it's a much worse atris for 1 less mana
1 less mana is the biggest possible difference a card can have in the game.
I'm def. not saying it's good but this comparison isn't.
Is Koma actually good? I suspect Koma might actually be good tbh
I've been thinking about it this evening and I think that as a payoff in a ramp deck it basically says "have an exile effect or a kill spell right now or be prepared to lose the game"
it's a much better tendershoot dryad in a meta where fast mana is viable, so yeah it probably sees play
I kind of feel like if my opponent tapped out on turn 6 to play a Carnage Tyrant and I tapped out on turn 7 to play a Koma then I'd be relatively comfortable that I'm ahead on board
And that's a pretty high standard
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I kind of feel like if my opponent tapped out on turn 6 to play a Carnage Tyrant and I tapped out on turn 7 to play a Koma then I'd be relatively comfortable that I'm ahead on board
And that's a pretty high standard
Carnage tyrant is so much easier to deal with in this meta and that’s kinda hilarious
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Probably limited-only but 3-mana draw-one 3/2 with upside isn't a bad rate in constructed (see: Rogue Refiner). It could work if there's a deck for it, but it won't make a deck exist.
it's a much worse atris for 1 less mana
1 less mana is the biggest possible difference a card can have in the game.
I'm def. not saying it's good but this comparison isn't.
they're both 3/2s with menace that have a herald effect, atris' is just way better
The question with Koma is "is this card going to save me more than Genesis Ultimatum or Ugin". I think the answer is "probably not", but could absolutely see sideboarding it in as an anti-control piece for either control or ramp decks. If the shell lines up for bant ramp in place of Temur, then Koma can go in and Ultimatum can go out I suppose.
Wellll Carnage Tyrant is still immune to like, most removal
But not Extinction Event or Shatter the Sky or whatever so yeah basically
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Carnage tyrant is immune to target removal, Koma is functionally immune to destroy effects after your opponent’s upkeep.
Considering that one of the most popular decks around runs a decent chunk of deathtouch effects, Koma is way harder to deal with
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Wellll Carnage Tyrant is still immune to like, most removal
But not Extinction Event or Shatter the Sky or whatever so yeah basically
carnage tyrant can't attack into a beast that gets buffed by henge
it's just too slow of a card in the current meta
now if it changes to a more control heavy one? it'll be good again
koma has the benefit of being sticky and also generating more threats, but is probably too expensive to maindeck
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yes, all my knowledge of Norse mythology does come from videogames, Neil Gaiman, and Marvel movies, why do you ask?
So hows this guys color identity work as a commander?
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CMC and all other characteristics are of the front face. You can play Tibalt in a Lurrus deck. Can't cast the Tibalt side from the yard though.
I think they might make an exception for a Norse mythology plane, since some kind of apocalypse scenario would naturally be built into the setting.
It's hard to imagine them doing the same thing to Innistrad though, since that's such a huge cash cow for them. Then again, maybe after two visits to Innistrad, they've concluded that its storytelling potential is spent, so it's okay to sacrifice it to the larger narrative.
I think the reason why there are two extra gods will be related to the narrative.
Specifically, I think Esika is a former oldwalker who created Kaldheim. Then, after the Mending, she sacrificed her spark to become a god, just like Xenagos did.
Then there's Tibalt, who is not a god at all, but is somehow successfully passing himself off as one. I like to imagine that conversation went something like this:
Toralf: Shut up, Halvar! You're the worst member of this family!
Halvar: Fuck you, Toralf! You're the whole reason this family's going to shit!
Tibalt: Hello, brothers! It is I, Valki, your other brother who has always been here the whole time!
Toralf: Shut up, Valki! You're the worst member of this family!
Halvar: Don't talk to Valki that way, you asshole!
Tibalt: (Nice, they're buying it!)
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We'll see if I can do that in two rotations time I guess.
It's a 1-3x in a less popular version of the Temur Ramp deck, but most of those have switched to Obosh, and it's a 1-2x in some of the Doom Foretold decks.
He is ever-present in brawl, though.
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real solid limited card at least
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I've been thinking about it this evening and I think that as a payoff in a ramp deck it basically says "have an exile effect or a kill spell right now or be prepared to lose the game"
it's a much worse atris for 1 less mana
Koma is uncounterable and immune to most standard removal after the next upkeep.
So yeah, kinda good.
1 less mana is the biggest possible difference a card can have in the game.
I'm def. not saying it's good but this comparison isn't.
it's a much better tendershoot dryad in a meta where fast mana is viable, so yeah it probably sees play
And that's a pretty high standard
Carnage tyrant is so much easier to deal with in this meta and that’s kinda hilarious
they're both 3/2s with menace that have a herald effect, atris' is just way better
how is that not comparable?
But not Extinction Event or Shatter the Sky or whatever so yeah basically
Considering that one of the most popular decks around runs a decent chunk of deathtouch effects, Koma is way harder to deal with
carnage tyrant can't attack into a beast that gets buffed by henge
it's just too slow of a card in the current meta
now if it changes to a more control heavy one? it'll be good again
koma has the benefit of being sticky and also generating more threats, but is probably too expensive to maindeck
I don’t see extinction event main board that much.
And the white removal enchantment against a green deck likely running 4 of gemrazer?
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Henge with Koma is what I am thinking for sure.
Holy shit
So hows this guys color identity work as a commander?
4 mana put a planes walker into play and then keep going is stupid good
I believe he's green, blue, and black since those colors appear on the front face of the card.