Yeah SnS gives you so much mobility etc - it's a VERY good weapon
I think the main dink against it for new players is it's not percived as a "Cool" weapon in the way the more grandiose weapons are. Even though it's relative simplicity is perfect for new players.
But i'm still going to beat the shit out of things with a giant slab that only barely qualifies as being a sword, because that's just how Greatsword rolls.
Look, you can have a puny sword and shield, or you can have a sword and shield that turn into a giant exploding axe.
Personally, i found GS real easy, but i bascially mained it for a large chunk of world, and all of iceborne, so... ???
It helps when you realize you only need to land about 15 TCS to kill most monsters. I'm not even joking - a good TCS will hit for 1.2k+ pretty reguarly, most monsters you face have like 20k hp.
Add in that you'll probably do a lot more than just TCS, and Greatsword mulches things hilariously well.
Thoguh will say, at least in Iceborne, knowing how to use Slinger Bursts after a leaping wide slash so you can reaim and go straight into a TCS is a pretty vital skill.
In the demo at least, you get Power Sheathe, which pulls you forward, sheaves your weapon and amps your damage for a short time after, and Hunting Edge, which vaults you forward into the air and lets you do a plunging attack or go into an aerial charged slash. Both are okay as repositioning tools but neither lets you rush into TCS & adjust your aim dramatically like slinger burst did.
With GS, when in the air you can do a plunging thrust (ZR) to skip the first charge, into wide slash which skips the second, then go right to the true charge. Not quite as good as the slinger in World, but still pretty decent. You can also set it up with the power sheathe, then do a regular silk jump to start the combo while covering a lot of ground.
That sounds cool. To be fair, I think the idea of the silkbind attacks was to give people options that weren't as powerful as the iceborn slinger stuff.
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edited January 2021
The longsword ones are a little weird, being that one is basically just taking the spirit helm splitter from World and putting it on a different button (with a trickier initial animation to boot), and the other one is, like, a third counter/reaction move along with the foreslight slash and iai roundslash, I haven't managed to pull it off yet to work out what utility it offers compared to those two options, looks like it has a longer active window maybe? It costs two silkbug charges to use so its probably pretty beefy in some aspect.
The longsword ones are a little weird, being that one is basically just taking the spirit helm splitter from World and putting it on a different button (with a trickier initial animation to boot), and the other one is, like, a third counter/reaction move along with the foreslight slash and iai roundslash, I haven't managed to pull it off yet to work out what utility it offers compared to those two options, looks like it has a longer active window maybe? It costs two silkbug charges to use so its probably pretty beefy in some aspect.
The advantage is you don't need to combo into it like the others, you can counter from neutral.
The longsword ones are a little weird, being that one is basically just taking the spirit helm splitter from World and putting it on a different button (with a trickier initial animation to boot), and the other one is, like, a third counter/reaction move along with the foreslight slash and iai roundslash, I haven't managed to pull it off yet to work out what utility it offers compared to those two options, looks like it has a longer active window maybe? It costs two silkbug charges to use so its probably pretty beefy in some aspect.
The advantage is you don't need to combo into it like the others, you can counter from neutral.
iai roundslash can be held for a bit in stance, but the silkbind I think also has the longest active time of them all. If there's actually a selection of silkbinds (something I've seen speculation of, since there's animations in prior trailers not in the demo options apparently), it would be something that you take or not based on comfort with other defensive options.
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Mm, I got pretty good with the foresight slash timings in World (though they may have changed it a bit for this one, I don't know, being able to negate a Teostra nova was pretty good...) but now that you can't foresight slash out of the spirit roundslash (as far as I can tell at least), I can see getting more value out of the Iai roundslash too.
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Yeah SnS gives you so much mobility etc - it's a VERY good weapon
I think the main dink against it for new players is it's not percived as a "Cool" weapon in the way the more grandiose weapons are. Even though it's relative simplicity is perfect for new players.
But i'm still going to beat the shit out of things with a giant slab that only barely qualifies as being a sword, because that's just how Greatsword rolls.
I really love using SnS, but it took me two or three games to even really try it, because of exactly that. I could use some sort of crazy weapon the size of which makes no logical sense, or I can use the Sword and Shield that I could probably at least lift in real life...
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Yeah SnS gives you so much mobility etc - it's a VERY good weapon
I think the main dink against it for new players is it's not percived as a "Cool" weapon in the way the more grandiose weapons are. Even though it's relative simplicity is perfect for new players.
But i'm still going to beat the shit out of things with a giant slab that only barely qualifies as being a sword, because that's just how Greatsword rolls.
I really love using SnS, but it took me two or three games to even really try it, because of exactly that. I could use some sort of crazy weapon the size of which makes no logical sense, or I can use the Sword and Shield that I could probably at least lift in real life...
The other thing about SnS is just practicing your combo strings since it's easy to hit something one too many times.
Yeah SnS gives you so much mobility etc - it's a VERY good weapon
I think the main dink against it for new players is it's not percived as a "Cool" weapon in the way the more grandiose weapons are. Even though it's relative simplicity is perfect for new players.
But i'm still going to beat the shit out of things with a giant slab that only barely qualifies as being a sword, because that's just how Greatsword rolls.
I really love using SnS, but it took me two or three games to even really try it, because of exactly that. I could use some sort of crazy weapon the size of which makes no logical sense, or I can use the Sword and Shield that I could probably at least lift in real life...
I mean you probably could, bit realistically the sword part of SnS is a two hander, and the shield aren't exactly small either
But if we're applying realism &maths to things then it works out that a great sword wielder would not actually need the weapon, they'd have raw strength to simply pull monsters apart like taffy. (Also you could probably kill anything by dropping a great sword on it because holy crap those things works be heavy)
What I'm saying is that monster hunter is a very silly game and I love it
Yeah SnS gives you so much mobility etc - it's a VERY good weapon
I think the main dink against it for new players is it's not percived as a "Cool" weapon in the way the more grandiose weapons are. Even though it's relative simplicity is perfect for new players.
But i'm still going to beat the shit out of things with a giant slab that only barely qualifies as being a sword, because that's just how Greatsword rolls.
I really love using SnS, but it took me two or three games to even really try it, because of exactly that. I could use some sort of crazy weapon the size of which makes no logical sense, or I can use the Sword and Shield that I could probably at least lift in real life...
I mean you probably could, bit realistically the sword part of SnS is a two hander, and the shield aren't exactly small either
But if we're applying realism &maths to things then it works out that a great sword wielder would not actually need the weapon, they'd have raw strength to simply pull monsters apart like taffy. (Also you could probably kill anything by dropping a great sword on it because holy crap those things works be heavy)
What I'm saying is that monster hunter is a very silly game and I love it
You make a good point, they should add a new weapon type that's just a simple set of gloves you wear while you literally wrestle with every monster.
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Yeah SnS gives you so much mobility etc - it's a VERY good weapon
I think the main dink against it for new players is it's not percived as a "Cool" weapon in the way the more grandiose weapons are. Even though it's relative simplicity is perfect for new players.
But i'm still going to beat the shit out of things with a giant slab that only barely qualifies as being a sword, because that's just how Greatsword rolls.
I really love using SnS, but it took me two or three games to even really try it, because of exactly that. I could use some sort of crazy weapon the size of which makes no logical sense, or I can use the Sword and Shield that I could probably at least lift in real life...
I mean you probably could, bit realistically the sword part of SnS is a two hander, and the shield aren't exactly small either
But if we're applying realism &maths to things then it works out that a great sword wielder would not actually need the weapon, they'd have raw strength to simply pull monsters apart like taffy. (Also you could probably kill anything by dropping a great sword on it because holy crap those things works be heavy)
What I'm saying is that monster hunter is a very silly game and I love it
Oh for sure, that why I specifically said lift, not swing. XD I might be able to swing the Rathian SnS sword.
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edited January 2021
It is bizarre the the game finally uses all four shoulder buttons for main functions again, the R buttons are reversed from how they worked on PS2 (in MH1/MH2 R2 = auto-sheathe+run, R1 = weapon action), and there's no option that swaps them.
What is it that Capcom has against players who still have muscle memory from the first two games?
It is bizarre the the game finally uses all four shoulder buttons for main functions again, the R buttons are reversed from how they worked on PS2 (in MH1/MH2 R2 = auto-sheathe+run, R1 = weapon action), and there's no option that swaps them.
What is it that Capcom has against players who still have muscle memory from the first two games?
Am I doing something wrong? When I have my weapon drawn both ls and gl, when I use zl + x it puts a wirebug out then launches me straight up. But in the description at least on the gunlance it says you go forward then do stuff. It's annoying trying to get some forward momentum to get to the monster but instead impotently hop up and down doing nothing.
Also I killed mizu way faster with gl than the ls.
Am I doing something wrong? When I have my weapon drawn both ls and gl, when I use zl + x it puts a wirebug out then launches me straight up. But in the description at least on the gunlance it says you go forward then do stuff. It's annoying trying to get some forward momentum to get to the monster but instead impotently hop up and down doing nothing.
Also I killed mizu way faster with gl than the ls.
The animation has to connect with the monster for the rest of it to work for a lot of those type of wirebug moves.
It is bizarre the the game finally uses all four shoulder buttons for main functions again, the R buttons are reversed from how they worked on PS2 (in MH1/MH2 R2 = auto-sheathe+run, R1 = weapon action), and there's no option that swaps them.
What is it that Capcom has against players who still have muscle memory from the first two games?
I could have sworn I'd seen an option for that...
I wish. The Player Actions Settings Type 2 is PSP/DS style, where R does everything, contextually. ZR does nothing when that's selected.
The Dash Settings choices are just L-Click, R, or both. No ZR.
This seriously screws with my muscle memory. The only thing I can do is swap ZR and R at the Switch OS level, save it as a preset, and remember to change that between games.
That causes issues with the one Wirebug combo to zip where aimed, but I can likely retrain something I learned yesterday more easily than I can unlearn hundreds of hours of PS2 hunting.
What is it that Capcom has against players who still have muscle memory from the first two games?
You've seen World and Rise in general, right? Muscle memory is pretty far down the list there.
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edited January 2021
I had tried SnS, Lance, Longsword, Hammer, and Switch Axe. All of them were fine. I didn't discover hammer's other mode, but I could still hammer as I remembered. Was getting hopeful about the game, and then I discovered the changes to Greatsword and Dual Blades.
There's no longer a kick. This means there's no longer a Kick > Slap combo, so GS can no longer exhaust/KO effectively. At least it got that tackle in trade.
Dual Blades though ... they pared down its moveset by one button's worth of moves (~30%) and it got nothing in return. That is far too simple. What the heck?
Great Izuchi is also incredibly easy. Great Jaggi is downright difficult by comparison. Great Maccao is much more dangerous. Great Fango (forgot its localized name) puts up more of a fight, even though that's not because it's a good monster. I'm ... confused and concerned by this almost-insubstantial tutorial monster.
GS losing exhaust/ko is not a problem in my book. Punish draw still exists and will only get better with the new wirebug sheathe, and the rest of the changes it got including TCS more than makes up for it.
Heck they even kept True Charge Slash (Power) from Iceborne. Which is so fucking great
(Tcs power is triggered by having the first weak hit impact a weak point. Which then triggers MASSIVE DAMAGE)
What has DB lost? Last I checked it's move set is fine
Great Izuchi is also incredibly easy. Great Jaggi is downright difficult by comparison. Great Maccao is much more dangerous. Great Fango (forgot its localized name) puts up more of a fight, even though that's not because it's a good monster. I'm ... confused and concerned by this almost-insubstantial tutorial monster.
It's a demo, I wouldn't assume the balance is 100% there.
Great Izuchi is also incredibly easy. Great Jaggi is downright difficult by comparison. Great Maccao is much more dangerous. Great Fango (forgot its localized name) puts up more of a fight, even though that's not because it's a good monster. I'm ... confused and concerned by this almost-insubstantial tutorial monster.
It's a demo, I wouldn't assume the balance is 100% there.
Demo stats are definitely higher than you'll be running into them with first.
Also, Great Jaggi is a pushover once you learn its patterns. It does have a hip check, but there's a massive audio cue for it.
I had tried SnS, Lance, Longsword, Hammer, and Switch Axe. All of them were fine. I didn't discover hammer's other mode, but I could still hammer as I remembered. Was getting hopeful about the game, and then I discovered the changes to Greatsword and Dual Blades.
There's no longer a kick. This means there's no longer a Kick > Slap combo, so GS can no longer exhaust/KO effectively. At least it got that tackle in trade.
Dual Blades though ... they pared down its moveset by one button's worth of moves (~30%) and it got nothing in return. That is far too simple. What the heck?
Great Izuchi is also incredibly easy. Great Jaggi is downright difficult by comparison. Great Maccao is much more dangerous. Great Fango (forgot its localized name) puts up more of a fight, even though that's not because it's a good monster. I'm ... confused and concerned by this almost-insubstantial tutorial monster.
Did you use demon mode/arch demon mode?
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Great Izuchi is also incredibly easy. Great Jaggi is downright difficult by comparison. Great Maccao is much more dangerous. Great Fango (forgot its localized name) puts up more of a fight, even though that's not because it's a good monster. I'm ... confused and concerned by this almost-insubstantial tutorial monster.
It's a demo, I wouldn't assume the balance is 100% there.
Demo stats are definitely higher than you'll be running into them with first.
Also, Great Jaggi is a pushover once you learn its patterns. It does have a hip check, but there's a massive audio cue for it.
I took SnS in on my very first Great Izuchi hunt and zero-hits-taken finished it within 3 minutes of engaging the monster. Even with slower weapons and messing around I haven't been in real danger. Can't say the same of Jaggi, Maccao, Arzuros, or even Fango.
I'm very excited for MH: Stories 2, but I'm halfway(?) through the first game and thoroughly bored with the combat. Hopefully if they're trying to strike a more mature tone the actual gameplay will be more interesting too? I know they already said turn-based paper-scissors-rock is coming back, but still...
I'd love a Stories game with the main series' combat, but obviously that's not going to happen :razz:
DB are my most used weapon in World, I didn't feel like I lost anything in Rise? I think we lost the infinite combo with X when moving side from side, but I didn't test it too much, so maybe it's still there.
I can't play this with Joycons, not sure if it's the angles or lack of muscle memory but they feel so bad to me trying to hunt. I was so surprised by it that I went and bought Iceborne just to make sure I wasn't misremembering World.
Side note: I'm now playing Iceborne for the first time and I'd forgotten how much I love this game.
I burnt out on MHW, pretty much got what I wanted out of it, Rise looks interesting but likely will wait and see if a PC version comes out, or see what else happens with MHW.
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edited January 2021
Rise is fun, I'm definitely missing that 60 fps. I can take the graphical downgrade.
I hope they keep the lance as hoppy in the next mainline interation, because it's a lot of fun. I especially loved watching the rage gaming dudes bounce off the corpse of an Arzuros.
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But then they're not a sword and shield anymore.
This is a problem.
It helps when you realize you only need to land about 15 TCS to kill most monsters. I'm not even joking - a good TCS will hit for 1.2k+ pretty reguarly, most monsters you face have like 20k hp.
Add in that you'll probably do a lot more than just TCS, and Greatsword mulches things hilariously well.
Thoguh will say, at least in Iceborne, knowing how to use Slinger Bursts after a leaping wide slash so you can reaim and go straight into a TCS is a pretty vital skill.
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In the demo at least, you get Power Sheathe, which pulls you forward, sheaves your weapon and amps your damage for a short time after, and Hunting Edge, which vaults you forward into the air and lets you do a plunging attack or go into an aerial charged slash. Both are okay as repositioning tools but neither lets you rush into TCS & adjust your aim dramatically like slinger burst did.
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Also there's no evasion+sharpness nonsense art that everyone takes.
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I may still be salty about Duals having basically one functional one that was a boring buff. Maybe. There's no evidence, honest.
They're also just better integrated , rather than having an awkward hit this button thing.
I really need to dig into the demo properly
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The advantage is you don't need to combo into it like the others, you can counter from neutral.
iai roundslash can be held for a bit in stance, but the silkbind I think also has the longest active time of them all. If there's actually a selection of silkbinds (something I've seen speculation of, since there's animations in prior trailers not in the demo options apparently), it would be something that you take or not based on comfort with other defensive options.
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I really love using SnS, but it took me two or three games to even really try it, because of exactly that. I could use some sort of crazy weapon the size of which makes no logical sense, or I can use the Sword and Shield that I could probably at least lift in real life...
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The other thing about SnS is just practicing your combo strings since it's easy to hit something one too many times.
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I mean you probably could, bit realistically the sword part of SnS is a two hander, and the shield aren't exactly small either
But if we're applying realism &maths to things then it works out that a great sword wielder would not actually need the weapon, they'd have raw strength to simply pull monsters apart like taffy. (Also you could probably kill anything by dropping a great sword on it because holy crap those things works be heavy)
What I'm saying is that monster hunter is a very silly game and I love it
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You make a good point, they should add a new weapon type that's just a simple set of gloves you wear while you literally wrestle with every monster.
Oh for sure, that why I specifically said lift, not swing. XD I might be able to swing the Rathian SnS sword.
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What is it that Capcom has against players who still have muscle memory from the first two games?
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I could have sworn I'd seen an option for that...
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Also I killed mizu way faster with gl than the ls.
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The animation has to connect with the monster for the rest of it to work for a lot of those type of wirebug moves.
The Dash Settings choices are just L-Click, R, or both. No ZR.
This seriously screws with my muscle memory. The only thing I can do is swap ZR and R at the Switch OS level, save it as a preset, and remember to change that between games.
That causes issues with the one Wirebug combo to zip where aimed, but I can likely retrain something I learned yesterday more easily than I can unlearn hundreds of hours of PS2 hunting.
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You've seen World and Rise in general, right? Muscle memory is pretty far down the list there.
There's no longer a kick. This means there's no longer a Kick > Slap combo, so GS can no longer exhaust/KO effectively. At least it got that tackle in trade.
Dual Blades though ... they pared down its moveset by one button's worth of moves (~30%) and it got nothing in return. That is far too simple. What the heck?
Great Izuchi is also incredibly easy. Great Jaggi is downright difficult by comparison. Great Maccao is much more dangerous. Great Fango (forgot its localized name) puts up more of a fight, even though that's not because it's a good monster. I'm ... confused and concerned by this almost-insubstantial tutorial monster.
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Heck they even kept True Charge Slash (Power) from Iceborne. Which is so fucking great
(Tcs power is triggered by having the first weak hit impact a weak point. Which then triggers MASSIVE DAMAGE)
What has DB lost? Last I checked it's move set is fine
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It's a demo, I wouldn't assume the balance is 100% there.
Demo stats are definitely higher than you'll be running into them with first.
Also, Great Jaggi is a pushover once you learn its patterns. It does have a hip check, but there's a massive audio cue for it.
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Did you use demon mode/arch demon mode?
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I'd love a Stories game with the main series' combat, but obviously that's not going to happen :razz:
Side note: I'm now playing Iceborne for the first time and I'd forgotten how much I love this game.
I hope they keep the lance as hoppy in the next mainline interation, because it's a lot of fun. I especially loved watching the rage gaming dudes bounce off the corpse of an Arzuros.
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