GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Yeah I chalk up half of the confusion to Nolan being such an obnoxious weirdo with sound mixing. I found the dialogue to pretty much explain everything. But that isn’t helpful if you bury it in the mix
Ok that has actually helped me, now my final question
Ok so when she goes back in time to kill the husband, is the series of events:
- goes back in time on the shipping container to the week before
- at some point, unseen, goes through the turnstile again so she is going forward in time
- goes to the boat, moving forward in time, kills the husband
- now there are two of her at the same time, until she hangs out long enough for past her to make the trip back?
Ok that has actually helped me, now my final question
Ok so when she goes back in time to kill the husband, is the series of events:
- goes back in time on the shipping container to the week before
- at some point, unseen, goes through the turnstile again so she is going forward in time
- goes to the boat, moving forward in time, kills the husband
- now there are two of her at the same time, until she hangs out long enough for past her to make the trip back?
Pretty much yes. Don't think about it too hard. Chris Nolan doesn't seem to have.
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
My only real issue with Action Jackson is that Carl Weathers has a shirt on for way too much of the movie
ok, for people who have seen Tenet. I have a question. I understand the pithy answer to this question is something snarky like the movie doesn't care or that none of it makes sense, and I already think this! But I want to see if there is at least some internal logic in the movie that goes against something I at least took away from the theatre. I also will say that I could barely hear any of the dialogue in the theatre so maybe I missed it:
Early on in the movie, the characters make it very clear that people cannot go back in time, or time travel, but you can make things time travel. You can also invert yourself with energy rays to make yourself move backwards in time kind of a little bit, but not for a super long time because you can't breathe while doing it unassisted.
So...then why does the climax of the movie, actually three very important aspects of the movie, have people time traveling? Like, they seem to just turn on a dime and go ok well just go to last week and fix the problem?
I don't recall them ever saying people can't time travel. But you can't just dial in a time and go straight there. If you want to go back to a specific point, you have to invert and then just.... live your way back to that moment in real time
Kind of like Primer, where you can only go back as long as spend in the machine
But it never shows them doing that, right? Like the Wife just shows up on the boat at the end of the movie?
I don’t know, I just really did not understand the movie as I was watching it even a little bit. I do not understand why Nolan mixes the dialogue sound the way he does
if you could clearly hear everything people were saying in a chris nolan movie, you'd immediately know how dumb things are
this is only a half-joke
no for Tenet it's completely spot on
oh no, i believe it
it's a willful decision on nolan's part to obfuscate dialogue a lot of the time; particularly in his plot-driven/neat ideas movies
when he is interested in characters, you get stuff like the dark knight trilogy where everyone talks in speeches
i can even see merit to it; if the dialogue is perfunctory at best, might as well have it whisp in and around the action and set pieces you are more interested in; it conditions the audience to lean in, so the explosion can blow them away that much further.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
edited January 2021
Yeah like I get the choice in something like Dunkirk? Where it's way more about putting you in the middle of a historical event. And yeah I mean it's all gunna be tactics jargon anyways.
Here it's like you have an intricate puzzlebox that expects you to work it out, and the necessary information is given to you by a broken drive-in speaker box basically
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
(i still loved it, but boy do I get that complaint especially)
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
I chalk up a lot of my enjoyment of the film to watching it with a pair of nice headphones, at home, late at night with almost no extraneous noise.
Ok that has actually helped me, now my final question
Ok so when she goes back in time to kill the husband, is the series of events:
- goes back in time on the shipping container to the week before
- at some point, unseen, goes through the turnstile again so she is going forward in time
- goes to the boat, moving forward in time, kills the husband
- now there are two of her at the same time, until she hangs out long enough for past her to make the trip back?
Kat gets caught and is shot with an inverted bullet at the docks. She apparently needs several days of inverted time to heal from this. They invert at the docks turnstile and travel via container one week back to the Oslo airport turnstile. They use the airport turnstile to start moving forward again. They invert again and move back in time on a cargo ship to Russia. They use the ship turnstile to invert and move forward again, Neil goes off to do the Algorithm mission, Kat travels to Vietnam and gets on the boat while younger Kat is out. Old Kat kills Satore and goes on to live with her son. Young Kat sees Old Kat dive off the boat and continues on with events in forward time until she is shot and becomes Old Kat.
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Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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astrobstrdSo full of mercy...Registered Userregular
Just read an article about Altered States and how Ken Russell got around Paddy Chayefsky's iron-clad contract not to change the script by having characters eat while speaking, race through dialogue, or overlap/background it whenever possible.
Ok that has actually helped me, now my final question
Ok so when she goes back in time to kill the husband, is the series of events:
- goes back in time on the shipping container to the week before
- at some point, unseen, goes through the turnstile again so she is going forward in time
- goes to the boat, moving forward in time, kills the husband
- now there are two of her at the same time, until she hangs out long enough for past her to make the trip back?
Kat gets caught and is shot with an inverted bullet at the docks. She apparently needs several days of inverted time to heal from this. They invert at the docks turnstile and travel via container one week back to the Oslo airport turnstile. They use the airport turnstile to start moving forward again. They invert again and move back in time on a cargo ship to Russia. They use the ship turnstile to invert and move forward again, Neil goes off to do the Algorithm mission, Kat travels to Vietnam and gets on the boat while younger Kat is out. Old Kat kills Satore and goes on to live with her son. Young Kat sees Old Kat dive off the boat and continues on with events in forward time until she is shot and becomes Old Kat.
Wait no. BS.
After old Kat shoots her husband he is dead and can’t shoot young Kat for her to turn into old Kat. Unless there are somehow multiple husbands running around that they never mention?
Ok that has actually helped me, now my final question
Ok so when she goes back in time to kill the husband, is the series of events:
- goes back in time on the shipping container to the week before
- at some point, unseen, goes through the turnstile again so she is going forward in time
- goes to the boat, moving forward in time, kills the husband
- now there are two of her at the same time, until she hangs out long enough for past her to make the trip back?
Kat gets caught and is shot with an inverted bullet at the docks. She apparently needs several days of inverted time to heal from this. They invert at the docks turnstile and travel via container one week back to the Oslo airport turnstile. They use the airport turnstile to start moving forward again. They invert again and move back in time on a cargo ship to Russia. They use the ship turnstile to invert and move forward again, Neil goes off to do the Algorithm mission, Kat travels to Vietnam and gets on the boat while younger Kat is out. Old Kat kills Satore and goes on to live with her son. Young Kat sees Old Kat dive off the boat and continues on with events in forward time until she is shot and becomes Old Kat.
Wait no. BS.
After old Kat shoots her husband he is dead and can’t shoot young Kat for her to turn into old Kat. Unless there are somehow multiple husbands running around that they never mention?
There are and they did mention it. Satore wants to go back to a time he enjoyed to end his life and destroy everything. He picks the time in Vietnam. Past Satore leaves to go do stuff. Future Satore arrives right after under the guise that he's just coming back for something.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Tenet.
You know what got an audible out of me? Kenneth Branagh's fucking rag doll broken neck after Elizabeth Debicki slid him off the boat.
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Ok that has actually helped me, now my final question
Ok so when she goes back in time to kill the husband, is the series of events:
- goes back in time on the shipping container to the week before
- at some point, unseen, goes through the turnstile again so she is going forward in time
- goes to the boat, moving forward in time, kills the husband
- now there are two of her at the same time, until she hangs out long enough for past her to make the trip back?
Kat gets caught and is shot with an inverted bullet at the docks. She apparently needs several days of inverted time to heal from this. They invert at the docks turnstile and travel via container one week back to the Oslo airport turnstile. They use the airport turnstile to start moving forward again. They invert again and move back in time on a cargo ship to Russia. They use the ship turnstile to invert and move forward again, Neil goes off to do the Algorithm mission, Kat travels to Vietnam and gets on the boat while younger Kat is out. Old Kat kills Satore and goes on to live with her son. Young Kat sees Old Kat dive off the boat and continues on with events in forward time until she is shot and becomes Old Kat.
Wait no. BS.
After old Kat shoots her husband he is dead and can’t shoot young Kat for her to turn into old Kat. Unless there are somehow multiple husbands running around that they never mention?
There are and they did mention it. Satore wants to go back to a time he enjoyed to end his life and destroy everything. He picks the time in Vietnam. Past Satore leaves to go do stuff. Future Satore arrives right after under the guise that he's just coming back for something.
Ohhhhhh gotcha. I must have missed that bit. I retract my bs
I have intensely disliked everything I've seen from Noah Baumbach, and I also intensely disliked White Noise
But the manner in which I disliked White Noise intersects really well with the manner in which I dislike Noah Baumbach, and Adam Driver and Greta Gerwig are really fascinating performers, and I legit can't wait to find out which fascinating ways I'll hate this movie
astrobstrdSo full of mercy...Registered Userregular
I love other DeLillo stuff, but it took me a year or two after White Noise to give anything else of his a chance. Mao II and Ratner's Star were much better.
Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
I loved Frances Ha
I thought Greenberg was a really interesting showcase of Great Gerwig's and Ben Stiller's talents but there's only so much interest a slow-motion self-destruction can hold for me
Mistress America really seemed like a less-interesting iteration on all of Frances Ha's ideas and it made hardly any impression on me
I liked all the actors and what they're doing in marriage story but it being about two rich people wasting probably 6 figures on divorce lawyers sets it back quite a bit
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- goes back in time on the shipping container to the week before
- at some point, unseen, goes through the turnstile again so she is going forward in time
- goes to the boat, moving forward in time, kills the husband
- now there are two of her at the same time, until she hangs out long enough for past her to make the trip back?
Pretty much yes. Don't think about it too hard. Chris Nolan doesn't seem to have.
oh no, i believe it
it's a willful decision on nolan's part to obfuscate dialogue a lot of the time; particularly in his plot-driven/neat ideas movies
when he is interested in characters, you get stuff like the dark knight trilogy where everyone talks in speeches
i can even see merit to it; if the dialogue is perfunctory at best, might as well have it whisp in and around the action and set pieces you are more interested in; it conditions the audience to lean in, so the explosion can blow them away that much further.
Here it's like you have an intricate puzzlebox that expects you to work it out, and the necessary information is given to you by a broken drive-in speaker box basically
The real reason he wants people to watch it in theaters
yeah I do find that a bit odd
What cut are we talking about? A silverside sure yeah definitely. A nice backstrap though?
Also, I feel like the activity level of a standard western human wouldn’t make them to gamey and tough, right??
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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unfortunately there is more of gravy than of grave with that approach
I really need to watch that bonkers movie again.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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"I'll be dining here, being your camera's, I know my lines, and mind the bill on your way out."
Didn't even have to change his characters name.
Wait no. BS.
Ditto. What is this Justice League Investigation? Is there more info on that?
fisher has had nothing but good things to say about working with snyder from what i've seen
Ohhhhhh gotcha. I must have missed that bit. I retract my bs
He joined the ranks of
in terms of making me go "oooof!"
I have intensely disliked everything I've seen from Noah Baumbach, and I also intensely disliked White Noise
But the manner in which I disliked White Noise intersects really well with the manner in which I dislike Noah Baumbach, and Adam Driver and Greta Gerwig are really fascinating performers, and I legit can't wait to find out which fascinating ways I'll hate this movie
Noah Baumbach thinking that what the current moment NEEDS is a work about Gen-Xer conformity-fear is just
So exactly in line with my lowest opinions of him
I have not enjoyed a single Noah Baumbach film
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Oh, that's your answer for everything
I thought Greenberg was a really interesting showcase of Great Gerwig's and Ben Stiller's talents but there's only so much interest a slow-motion self-destruction can hold for me
Mistress America really seemed like a less-interesting iteration on all of Frances Ha's ideas and it made hardly any impression on me