Greene is probably going to say she wants to impeach Hilary too
Well if she includes Obama she'd get some of that vaunted "attacking dems from the left" that idiots like to tout. But again they're in the minority and much like Obama, Biden hasn't done anything impeachable.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Greene is probably going to say she wants to impeach Hilary too
Well if she includes Obama she'd get some of that vaunted "attacking dems from the left" that idiots like to tout. But again they're in the minority and much like Obama, Biden hasn't done anything impeachable.
I think he ordered a hamburger with dijon mustard while wearing a tan suit. Which is an impeachable offense.
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Fuck the talking heads. Joe Biden can say he had a stronger military presence at his inauguration than Trump. I'm sure that'll burn the orange moron right into his soul.
Joe Biden gets the military "parade" that Trump never did?
So, do I have this right? All it takes to prevent someone fron holding public office is majority votes in the house and senate?
Seems like that could be misused.
Eh, it's been around for a couple hundred years without being misused, seems fine. Plus in order to disqualify them you still need to impeach someone, which is not a simple procedure.
Never want to see this bastard anywhere near government ever again. I don't want to see him ever again in general but particularly in relation to having any real government authority.
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So, do I have this right? All it takes to prevent someone fron holding public office is majority votes in the house and senate?
Seems like that could be misused.
Eh, it's been around for a couple hundred years without being misused, seems fine. Plus in order to disqualify them you still need to impeach someone, which is not a simple procedure.
Plus you would first need to be in office, impeached, and arguably convicted before they can enact it. When you get over that hump though then yeah enough bad faith actors can wreak havoc. Another reason to use time travel to beat some specificity out of the original authors.
So because the House sent articles immediately, does this mean the trial starts with McConnell setting the rules and schedule just before losing power? And then to what degree are dems stuck with that setup?
McConnell could very well want to get Trump good with this, but I'm pretty sure he's love even more to stop the Biden admin in its tracks, consuming all the Senate's days with a trial for at least a month. Offering Trump as a sacrifice would be more than worth it to him.
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There’s not going to be a trial until after inauguration day.
The Senate is not in session until the 19th and McConnell has already ruled out bringing them back early.
Also each Congress sets its own rules and can’t be bound by the rules of a previous Congress unless they adopt those rules themselves.
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American governance was not designed for a two-party system.
And yet a two-party system was inevitable the way American governance was designed.
And also was a two party system immediately.
Political parties happen because organization is the force multiplier. Trying to prevent political parties is like trying to prevent the rain.
The cause of two party system though (as opposed to a three, four, or twelve party system) is caused entirely by the math of FPTP. There are several systems we could switch to that would allow multiple parties to thrive instead of just two. Two parties only causes a whole variety of things to suck.
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American governance was not designed for a two-party system.
And yet a two-party system was inevitable the way American governance was designed.
And also was a two party system immediately.
Political parties happen because organization is the force multiplier. Trying to prevent political parties is like trying to prevent the rain.
The cause of two party system though (as opposed to a three, four, or twelve party system) is caused entirely by the math of FPTP. There are several systems we could switch to that would allow multiple parties to thrive instead of just two. Two parties only causes a whole variety of things to suck.
No, it’s not. The two party system is caused by the math of 50%+1 to pass a bill. Proportional parliaments still have two parties, they just form after voting. And FPTP legislatures still have “multiple parties” they just call themselves caucuses and develop after voting.
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American governance was not designed for a two-party system.
And yet a two-party system was inevitable the way American governance was designed.
And also was a two party system immediately.
Political parties happen because organization is the force multiplier. Trying to prevent political parties is like trying to prevent the rain.
The cause of two party system though (as opposed to a three, four, or twelve party system) is caused entirely by the math of FPTP. There are several systems we could switch to that would allow multiple parties to thrive instead of just two. Two parties only causes a whole variety of things to suck.
No, it’s not. The two party system is caused by the math of 50%+1 to pass a bill. Proportional parliaments still have two parties, they just form after voting. And FPTP legislatures still have “multiple parties” they just call themselves caucuses and develop after voting.
No, it’s not. The two party system is caused by the math of 50%+1 to pass a bill. Proportional parliaments still have two parties, they just form after voting.
Yes, exactly, resulting in multiple stakeholders within each coalition with different voters and different priorities, ensuring a party needs to consider a wide range of policies and not just whatever their fanatics want.
For example, the alliance between the Australian Greens and the Australian Labor parties resulted in Labor being dragged significantly to the left on environmental issues, while the coalition between the Australian Liberals and Australian Nationals forced the former to take rural Australia far more into account.
American governance was not designed for a two-party system.
And yet a two-party system was inevitable the way American governance was designed.
And also was a two party system immediately.
Political parties happen because organization is the force multiplier. Trying to prevent political parties is like trying to prevent the rain.
The cause of two party system though (as opposed to a three, four, or twelve party system) is caused entirely by the math of FPTP. There are several systems we could switch to that would allow multiple parties to thrive instead of just two. Two parties only causes a whole variety of things to suck.
No, it’s not. The two party system is caused by the math of 50%+1 to pass a bill. Proportional parliaments still have two parties, they just form after voting. And FPTP legislatures still have “multiple parties” they just call themselves caucuses and develop after voting.
Kind of but not really? Here in Norway we have had mostly minority governments since the War, who have sought approval from Pariliament on a case-by-case basis when it comes to passing laws/budgets. Plus, I only have to vote once. If the Labour Party are dicks I just vote Socialist Leftist Party (real name!) or any of the 3 other left-ish parties on election day. In the US, I'd have to register as a party member, engage in the party selection process, vote in the primary, and then vote in the general to even be allowed to have any real choice.
There’s not going to be a trial until after inauguration day.
The Senate is not in session until the 19th and McConnell has already ruled out bringing them back early.
Also each Congress sets its own rules and can’t be bound by the rules of a previous Congress unless they adopt those rules themselves.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that if the House says the trial begins on 1/15/2021 then it doesn't matter what the Senate wants to do, they're required to take up the matter.
Since most of what happens is during my night, I haven't kept up with the thread. Just so I understand correctly. House voted to impeach, send articles of impeachment to the Senate, but McConnell is just "Nah, not in the final days. Lets just sit this one out"? Correct?
Since most of what happens is during my night, I haven't kept up with the thread. Just so I understand correctly. House voted to impeach, send articles of impeachment to the Senate, but McConnell is just "Nah, not in the final days. Lets just sit this one out"? Correct?
Not as I understand it, no.
McConnell said "Oh gee, it'd be a shame if I decided that the rules for the trial took us X number of days/weeks/months"
But since saying that it's been reported that he may actually be willing to convict in order to ensure Trump can't hold office again.
None of which really matters until things actually happen.
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But he was already impeached before, but then the Senate acquitted him. So surely the Senate has to agree to impeach this time in order to prevent him running again?
I wanted to bring this back because I'm not sure yet if it's been answered.
Impeachment is the act of the House of Representatives deciding that the president has done something to warrant a trial in the Senate. It is not the act of the Senate holding that trial.
The media and popular culture has conflated the two with the name impeachment.
Whether the Senate convicts or not, Trump has still been impeached twice, because the House decided to send the matter to the Senate for trial.
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This would mean the only non-moot outcome of the Senate Trial, being barred from office, might actually come to pass on Trump.
That would be a huge win for democracy, the country, and the world.
I mean, until the Republicans inevitably use this whenever they have a majority to ban all Democrats from office 24/7. Which they will do anyway, so there isn't any point in worrying about it.
Disqualification is a result of conviction which requires 2/3. Being a majority vote is only relevant if 2/3 vote to convict but some portion don't want to disqualify
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Well if she includes Obama she'd get some of that vaunted "attacking dems from the left" that idiots like to tout. But again they're in the minority and much like Obama, Biden hasn't done anything impeachable.
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I think he ordered a hamburger with dijon mustard while wearing a tan suit. Which is an impeachable offense.
Joe Biden gets the military "parade" that Trump never did?
Eh, it's been around for a couple hundred years without being misused, seems fine. Plus in order to disqualify them you still need to impeach someone, which is not a simple procedure.
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-2/49-judgment-removal-and-disqualification.html#fn-856
Anything can be misused if you have a nihilistic enough party.
Yeah, at the end of the day, you can't protect a democracy from a 51% bad faith attack.
Goddammit.....
When I thought it couldn't get any worse then Saxby Chambliss.
Good, I hope they do that then.
Never want to see this bastard anywhere near government ever again. I don't want to see him ever again in general but particularly in relation to having any real government authority.
Us Brits know that as well as anybody.
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Plus you would first need to be in office, impeached, and arguably convicted before they can enact it. When you get over that hump though then yeah enough bad faith actors can wreak havoc. Another reason to use time travel to beat some specificity out of the original authors.
I mean, he's not wrong in that statement.
Given precedent, there is no chance of a fair or serious trial before next week when there'll be a new majority leader running the trial.
Well... technically 51.89% bad faith attack...
Too soon?
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And yet a two-party system was inevitable the way American governance was designed.
And also was a two party system immediately.
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Political parties happen because organization is the force multiplier. Trying to prevent political parties is like trying to prevent the rain.
I don't mind parties. I just dislike them following Sith rules.
McConnell could very well want to get Trump good with this, but I'm pretty sure he's love even more to stop the Biden admin in its tracks, consuming all the Senate's days with a trial for at least a month. Offering Trump as a sacrifice would be more than worth it to him.
The Senate is not in session until the 19th and McConnell has already ruled out bringing them back early.
Also each Congress sets its own rules and can’t be bound by the rules of a previous Congress unless they adopt those rules themselves.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
The cause of two party system though (as opposed to a three, four, or twelve party system) is caused entirely by the math of FPTP. There are several systems we could switch to that would allow multiple parties to thrive instead of just two. Two parties only causes a whole variety of things to suck.
No, it’s not. The two party system is caused by the math of 50%+1 to pass a bill. Proportional parliaments still have two parties, they just form after voting. And FPTP legislatures still have “multiple parties” they just call themselves caucuses and develop after voting.
FPTP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&ab_channel=CGPGrey
Yes, exactly, resulting in multiple stakeholders within each coalition with different voters and different priorities, ensuring a party needs to consider a wide range of policies and not just whatever their fanatics want.
For example, the alliance between the Australian Greens and the Australian Labor parties resulted in Labor being dragged significantly to the left on environmental issues, while the coalition between the Australian Liberals and Australian Nationals forced the former to take rural Australia far more into account.
Kind of but not really? Here in Norway we have had mostly minority governments since the War, who have sought approval from Pariliament on a case-by-case basis when it comes to passing laws/budgets. Plus, I only have to vote once. If the Labour Party are dicks I just vote Socialist Leftist Party (real name!) or any of the 3 other left-ish parties on election day. In the US, I'd have to register as a party member, engage in the party selection process, vote in the primary, and then vote in the general to even be allowed to have any real choice.
I could be wrong but my understanding is that if the House says the trial begins on 1/15/2021 then it doesn't matter what the Senate wants to do, they're required to take up the matter.
Not as I understand it, no.
McConnell said "Oh gee, it'd be a shame if I decided that the rules for the trial took us X number of days/weeks/months"
But since saying that it's been reported that he may actually be willing to convict in order to ensure Trump can't hold office again.
None of which really matters until things actually happen.
I wanted to bring this back because I'm not sure yet if it's been answered.
Impeachment is the act of the House of Representatives deciding that the president has done something to warrant a trial in the Senate. It is not the act of the Senate holding that trial.
The media and popular culture has conflated the two with the name impeachment.
Whether the Senate convicts or not, Trump has still been impeached twice, because the House decided to send the matter to the Senate for trial.
As much as I despise McConnell, this is actually a pretty good statement and his reasoning seems sound to me.
there isn't any reason the trial needs to be in depth or even fair. it's not a criminal trial, it's a political act
he didn't have any problem rushing to get his Supreme Court Justice appointed when he thought it would improve Republican chances at the polls
i don't disagree there
if removal isn't an option, i see no reason to let McConnell control things
This would mean the only non-moot outcome of the Senate Trial, being barred from office, might actually come to pass on Trump.
That would be a huge win for democracy, the country, and the world.
I mean, until the Republicans inevitably use this whenever they have a majority to ban all Democrats from office 24/7. Which they will do anyway, so there isn't any point in worrying about it.
But expect it.
Impeachment, not conviction, was my understanding.
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His actual statement had good reasoning. Or it would be good if the Senate was actually focusing on the transition instead of doing nothing.