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    MyiagrosMyiagros Registered User regular
    I just finished Peace Talks a couple weeks ago and didn't realize that the next one was out, good thing it is because that was a very abrupt ending and it felt like half a book at best.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Myiagros wrote: »
    I just finished Peace Talks a couple weeks ago and didn't realize that the next one was out, good thing it is because that was a very abrupt ending and it felt like half a book at best.

    That's because it is half a book.

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    MyiagrosMyiagros Registered User regular
    Half of it was repeating things from previous books, the other half was "omg sex thoughts".

    iRevert wrote: »
    Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Myiagros wrote: »
    Half of it was repeating things from previous books, the other half was "omg sex thoughts".

    I'm going to hope all my issues with PT / BG was because of Butchers whole turmoil with his house and stuff, because wow there was a lot of not great stuff in there.

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    ComahawkComahawk Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Myiagros wrote: »
    Half of it was repeating things from previous books, the other half was "omg sex thoughts".

    I'm going to hope all my issues with PT / BG was because of Butchers whole turmoil with his house and stuff, because wow there was a lot of not great stuff in there.

    My wife and I are theorizing that Butcher's ex-wife actually ghost wrote Dresden Files while Butcher worked on his other series.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Comahawk wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Myiagros wrote: »
    Half of it was repeating things from previous books, the other half was "omg sex thoughts".

    I'm going to hope all my issues with PT / BG was because of Butchers whole turmoil with his house and stuff, because wow there was a lot of not great stuff in there.

    My wife and I are theorizing that Butcher's ex-wife actually ghost wrote Dresden Files while Butcher worked on his other series.

    This would be very on brand for 2020.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Lol, and then Jim Butcher's first complete work written post-divorce is a messy story where Harry
    Loses his One True Love and suddenly finds himself married to a literal Succubus

    Maybe Shannon was the real talent after all

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    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    He wouldn't be the first author to let his personal life fuck with his story (see: Vlad Taltos by Steven Brust), so lets hope things work out!

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    He wouldn't be the first author to let his personal life fuck with his story (see: Vlad Taltos by Steven Brust), so lets hope things work out!

    How did that happen with Brust?

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    Lol, and then Jim Butcher's first complete work written post-divorce is a messy story where Harry
    Loses his One True Love and suddenly finds himself married to a literal Succubus

    Maybe Shannon was the real talent after all

    I'm finding the speculation amusing but

    Small Favors:
    Their eventual marriage feels like it has been being built up to for quite a while. I recently reread Small Favors because PT/BG makes some references to it and it is right near where Marcone gets his coin. Anyways, I'm pretty sure this has been in the cards for awhile now.

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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    He wouldn't be the first author to let his personal life fuck with his story (see: Vlad Taltos by Steven Brust), so lets hope things work out!

    How did that happen with Brust?

    Spoilers, I guess?
    IIRC, he went through a tough divorce with his wife, and as a result decided (at least momentarily) that marriage sucks and never works and so had Cawti make some very out-of-nowhere moves to end her marriage to Vlad. Some very “I’m now 150% dedicated to My Cause and if you aren’t, too, then I’m leaving and not telling you about our kid.”

    It rang pretty hollow at the time.

    In a Post-Trump world, it doesn’t ring quite as hollow anymore.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    Lol, and then Jim Butcher's first complete work written post-divorce is a messy story where Harry
    Loses his One True Love and suddenly finds himself married to a literal Succubus

    Maybe Shannon was the real talent after all

    I'm finding the speculation amusing but

    Small Favors:
    Their eventual marriage feels like it has been being built up to for quite a while. I recently reread Small Favors because PT/BG makes some references to it and it is right near where Marcone gets his coin. Anyways, I'm pretty sure this has been in the cards for awhile now.

    Care to elaborate? IIRC Small Favor doesn't involve the White Court at all

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    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    He wouldn't be the first author to let his personal life fuck with his story (see: Vlad Taltos by Steven Brust), so lets hope things work out!

    How did that happen with Brust?

    Spoilers, I guess?
    IIRC, he went through a tough divorce with his wife, and as a result decided (at least momentarily) that marriage sucks and never works and so had Cawti make some very out-of-nowhere moves to end her marriage to Vlad. Some very “I’m now 150% dedicated to My Cause and if you aren’t, too, then I’m leaving and not telling you about our kid.”

    It rang pretty hollow at the time.

    In a Post-Trump world, it doesn’t ring quite as hollow anymore.

    He sort of fixed alot of the issues with what happened there in later books, and y'know. I'm kinda okay with that. It was pretty obviously a way for him to work through it and heal.

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    ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Yeah, definitely, he’s done a lot of ... not retconning, so much as adding additional layers to it and it works much better now.

    At the time it was ... not. :)

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Ringo wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Lol, and then Jim Butcher's first complete work written post-divorce is a messy story where Harry
    Loses his One True Love and suddenly finds himself married to a literal Succubus

    Maybe Shannon was the real talent after all

    I'm finding the speculation amusing but

    Small Favors:
    Their eventual marriage feels like it has been being built up to for quite a while. I recently reread Small Favors because PT/BG makes some references to it and it is right near where Marcone gets his coin. Anyways, I'm pretty sure this has been in the cards for awhile now.

    Care to elaborate? IIRC Small Favor doesn't involve the White Court at all

    Yeah, the White Court thing was in Turn Coat. That said, back-to-back novels involving Shenanigan Island, so..

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Lol, and then Jim Butcher's first complete work written post-divorce is a messy story where Harry
    Loses his One True Love and suddenly finds himself married to a literal Succubus

    Maybe Shannon was the real talent after all

    I'm finding the speculation amusing but

    Small Favors:
    Their eventual marriage feels like it has been being built up to for quite a while. I recently reread Small Favors because PT/BG makes some references to it and it is right near where Marcone gets his coin. Anyways, I'm pretty sure this has been in the cards for awhile now.

    Care to elaborate? IIRC Small Favor doesn't involve the White Court at all

    Yeah, the White Court thing was in Turn Coat. That said, back-to-back novels involving Shenanigan Island, so..

    Actually the stuff I was thinking of is White Night. Read Small Favor for the coin thing and White Night for the Carlos interactions that PT/BG called back to.

    It's like ten books later but Harry was a pretty big dick to Carlos in White Night and it is played as no big thing.

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    The Brust thing is nuts, I've read that entire series to date cover to cover 4 times and spoken to that man and I always thought he had just planned it because of his original fascination with the mafia going more into his strong socialist/communist stances over the years.

    As for Dresden, have there been any updates on the new TV series?

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Anyone who is confused about Carlos' attitude to Dresden needs to read the second short story collection featuring a story between him and Molly.

    Carlos is not only justified, but abso-fucking-lutely correct in his assessment and treatment of Dresden and Dresden is a fucking idiot for not recognizing it.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    The Brust thing is nuts, I've read that entire series to date cover to cover 4 times and spoken to that man and I always thought he had just planned it because of his original fascination with the mafia going more into his strong socialist/communist stances over the years.

    As for Dresden, have there been any updates on the new TV series?

    They are doing a new TV series?

    I loved the old TV show.

    ...don’t play with my heart AH.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I didn't hate or love the SyFy show, but the idea of making Dresden's staff a hockey stick was inspired.

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    GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Anyone who is confused about Carlos' attitude to Dresden needs to read the second short story collection featuring a story between him and Molly.

    Carlos is not only justified, but abso-fucking-lutely correct in his assessment and treatment of Dresden and Dresden is a fucking idiot for not recognizing it.

    Gotta disagree. Read the story. Twice (well read once and listened once).

    Edit: I will just leave it as I disagree.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I didn't hate or love the SyFy show, but the idea of making Dresden's staff a hockey stick was inspired.

    And Bob was magnificently British.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Anyone who is confused about Carlos' attitude to Dresden needs to read the second short story collection featuring a story between him and Molly.

    Carlos is not only justified, but abso-fucking-lutely correct in his assessment and treatment of Dresden and Dresden is a fucking idiot for not recognizing it.

    Gotta disagree. Read the story. Twice (well read once and listened once).

    Edit: I will just leave it as I disagree.

    I'd really like to read your take on it if you're willing?

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    The Brust thing is nuts, I've read that entire series to date cover to cover 4 times and spoken to that man and I always thought he had just planned it because of his original fascination with the mafia going more into his strong socialist/communist stances over the years.

    As for Dresden, have there been any updates on the new TV series?

    They are doing a new TV series?

    I loved the old TV show.

    ...don’t play with my heart AH.

    This was pre pt/bg/covid but yeah they had signed a new deal for a new tv series, through one of the streaming services iirc, bigger production budget than the previous one.

    No updates through most of 2020 though that I saw.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Well they better do whatever it takes to get that going. Doesn't seem likely, but plenty of other things to cancel on every network/platform to fund it!

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Anyone who is confused about Carlos' attitude to Dresden needs to read the second short story collection featuring a story between him and Molly.

    Carlos is not only justified, but abso-fucking-lutely correct in his assessment and treatment of Dresden and Dresden is a fucking idiot for not recognizing it.
    And Dresden is a threat. A stupid threat, but that doesn’t make him any less dangerous, and before some of the white council suspected he had some dangerous weapons. But most wizards have some dangerous things if they survive long enough.
    Now they know he’s got at least 2. Ethnu and the eye. So yeah he’s a stupid wizard with the mystical equivalent to WMDs, and that doesn’t go into if he just let some of the convicts out. And they put the black staff on it, because of that. Part of the genius of Marcone is putting a huge target on Dresden, showing himself to be a threat not to be easily dismissed, but not someone to Target first and foremost.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Dresden has been a threat since book 1 (as has every other damn wizard they have around):
    Given the fact Harry has what he has antagonizing him is stupid. At worst you just keep him at arms length if you're worried. I mean at this point he should have earned some good will. What has he actually done they're so huffy about. It's mostly guesswork and fearmongering with the overarching fact that of course there's some dangerous shit going down. Look at the state of the world.

    Carlos being wary is fine. The entire council, including McCoy making him enemy #something is almost pants on head.

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    GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Anyone who is confused about Carlos' attitude to Dresden needs to read the second short story collection featuring a story between him and Molly.

    Carlos is not only justified, but abso-fucking-lutely correct in his assessment and treatment of Dresden and Dresden is a fucking idiot for not recognizing it.

    Gotta disagree. Read the story. Twice (well read once and listened once).

    Edit: I will just leave it as I disagree.

    I'd really like to read your take on it if you're willing?

    I'll try to come up with something long form and considered.

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    White Council/Harry
    Rereading stuff about the Starborn, and it doesn't say they are capable of stopping outsiders, iirc it says they can control Starborn.

    I really think him being kicked out is a Black Council plot. We already know they are cozy with the Outsiders (right? With the mordite?), so it would make sense if they are trying to ostricize the WC's best weapon against the Outsiders, and they may be hoping to turn him?

    Also, I finally started reading Side Jobs, and there is definitely a bit where Bob is talking about how being married to a Sidhe puts yourself under their control, and they can screw with your brain. I don't know that Mab is necessarily doing that to Harry (although would he recognize that? It is written from his perspective), especially with him pointing out how his effectiveness is tied to who he is. But I could also see the way that bond works being real concerning for everyone else.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    White Council/Harry
    Rereading stuff about the Starborn, and it doesn't say they are capable of stopping outsiders, iirc it says they can control Starborn.

    I really think him being kicked out is a Black Council plot. We already know they are cozy with the Outsiders (right? With the mordite?), so it would make sense if they are trying to ostricize the WC's best weapon against the Outsiders, and they may be hoping to turn him?

    Also, I finally started reading Side Jobs, and there is definitely a bit where Bob is talking about how being married to a Sidhe puts yourself under their control, and they can screw with your brain. I don't know that Mab is necessarily doing that to Harry (although would he recognize that? It is written from his perspective), especially with him pointing out how his effectiveness is tied to who he is. But I could also see the way that bond works being real concerning for everyone else.

    Am I misunderstanding who you are referencing?
    Harry is getting hitched to the White Court, not the Sidhe.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    White Council/Harry
    Rereading stuff about the Starborn, and it doesn't say they are capable of stopping outsiders, iirc it says they can control Starborn.

    I really think him being kicked out is a Black Council plot. We already know they are cozy with the Outsiders (right? With the mordite?), so it would make sense if they are trying to ostricize the WC's best weapon against the Outsiders, and they may be hoping to turn him?

    Also, I finally started reading Side Jobs, and there is definitely a bit where Bob is talking about how being married to a Sidhe puts yourself under their control, and they can screw with your brain. I don't know that Mab is necessarily doing that to Harry (although would he recognize that? It is written from his perspective), especially with him pointing out how his effectiveness is tied to who he is. But I could also see the way that bond works being real concerning for everyone else.

    Same
    The Starborn have some ability to deal with Outsiders and not be tainted/influenced like others would be. This being Dresdenverse that probably has a flip side where one that wanted to side with the Outsiders would be somehow especially bad.

    Having reread some of the older stuff I think Carlos's reaction isn't that far out of line though Harry being so utterly clueless is a little dumb. We only see this stuff from Harry's perspective though and he can be a bit dumb, so alright.

    The council choice just seems flat out weird. They can't move against Harry while he's the Winter Knight and that's ignoring all the other positive relationships he has with other supernatural power blocs. Kicking him out just reduces their influence over him and puts half their Senior Council in a position to break promises or associate with an outcast wizard. I suppose that later bit could be part of the Black Council's plan to clean house on the Senior Council. Presumably the Black Council doesn't have a majority on the SC...

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    So it's gonna suck when one of those last four ends up turned somehow.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Brody wrote: »
    White Council/Harry
    Rereading stuff about the Starborn, and it doesn't say they are capable of stopping outsiders, iirc it says they can control Starborn.

    I really think him being kicked out is a Black Council plot. We already know they are cozy with the Outsiders (right? With the mordite?), so it would make sense if they are trying to ostricize the WC's best weapon against the Outsiders, and they may be hoping to turn him?

    Also, I finally started reading Side Jobs, and there is definitely a bit where Bob is talking about how being married to a Sidhe puts yourself under their control, and they can screw with your brain. I don't know that Mab is necessarily doing that to Harry (although would he recognize that? It is written from his perspective), especially with him pointing out how his effectiveness is tied to who he is. But I could also see the way that bond works being real concerning for everyone else.
    In regards to controlling Harry
    Mab made Harry forget he could use combat fire magic. That’s some high end mind tinkering. She likely could do more but shes very butterfly effect with Harry (just a little push or a slight bit of resistance). She is one of the most powerful spellcasters around, except she cannot kill. It’s why in battlegrounds her main magic is widespread field magic that embiggens allies and makes enemies insane and fearful.
    Edit: I had more thoughts
    And her marrying Harry to Laura balances the scales with the white council banishing Harry, by giving him ~equally powerful allies that Harry lost while in service to the Mab, provides protection for Harry in Chicago, both from Marcone and from other solo operators, firms up the white court’s allegiance with winter. And removes a favor that Mab owes. Multitasking

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Mab and Harrymancy; Battle Ground
    I suspect she's still on the level about that kind of overt mind control since he took up the Mantle. Harry laid down his terms and conditions on that front pretty unambiguously while Mab was unplugging him from Demonreach, and while that may not have been a deal per se Mab has a pretty good grasp on Harry's nature. She probably understands both how he'd respond to finding out that his OS got patched, and that he's probably better equipped than most people to notice that happened to him eventually.

    So no, she's not the one rewiring his mind - she's letting his office and his principles do that for him, just like her office and her principles did to her...

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Mab and Harrymancy; Battle Ground
    I suspect she's still on the level about that kind of overt mind control since he took up the Mantle. Harry laid down his terms and conditions on that front pretty unambiguously while Mab was unplugging him from Demonreach, and while that may not have been a deal per se Mab has a pretty good grasp on Harry's nature. She probably understands both how he'd respond to finding out that his OS got patched, and that he's probably better equipped than most people to notice that happened to him eventually.

    So no, she's not the one rewiring his mind - she's letting his office and his principles do that for him, just like her office and her principles did to her...
    i actually believe that the deal involved her not requiring him to harm his family. And elsewhere he had threatened to not be a great knight if she tried to force him.

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Yeah, the mind control thing wasn't part of The Deal, but Harry made it pretty clear he'd go letter-of-the-orders if he suspected any mind magic. He probably wasn't bluffing, and I figure Mab knows he wasn't bluffing, so why take that risk when he'll turn himself into what she wants eventually of his own free will?

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    BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    White Council/Harry
    Rereading stuff about the Starborn, and it doesn't say they are capable of stopping outsiders, iirc it says they can control Starborn.

    I really think him being kicked out is a Black Council plot. We already know they are cozy with the Outsiders (right? With the mordite?), so it would make sense if they are trying to ostricize the WC's best weapon against the Outsiders, and they may be hoping to turn him?

    Also, I finally started reading Side Jobs, and there is definitely a bit where Bob is talking about how being married to a Sidhe puts yourself under their control, and they can screw with your brain. I don't know that Mab is necessarily doing that to Harry (although would he recognize that? It is written from his perspective), especially with him pointing out how his effectiveness is tied to who he is. But I could also see the way that bond works being real concerning for everyone else.

    Am I misunderstanding who you are referencing?
    Harry is getting hitched to the White Court, not the Sidhe.

    To clarify
    You are correct about the future.

    However in the short story about Bill and Georgia's wedding, Bob says

    "He’ll be bound to her, the way the Winter Knights are bound to the Winter Queens. She’ll be able to impose her will over his. Change the way he thinks and feels about things."

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    Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    How important are the comics to the overall narrative? I have most of the novels on my Nook, rereading now up to Dead Beat, and I'm willing to pick up the short stories to fill in some of the gaps. But the comic collections seem expensive and I don't even know if he's done with that format or more are on the way.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    How important are the comics to the overall narrative? I have most of the novels on my Nook, rereading now up to Dead Beat, and I'm willing to pick up the short stories to fill in some of the gaps. But the comic collections seem expensive and I don't even know if he's done with that format or more are on the way.

    Ive read a couple and they were basically monster of the week sort of thing. Completely unconnected to the greater narrative.

    You could just read the wikipedia summaries?

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    daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Brody wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    White Council/Harry
    Rereading stuff about the Starborn, and it doesn't say they are capable of stopping outsiders, iirc it says they can control Starborn.

    I really think him being kicked out is a Black Council plot. We already know they are cozy with the Outsiders (right? With the mordite?), so it would make sense if they are trying to ostricize the WC's best weapon against the Outsiders, and they may be hoping to turn him?

    Also, I finally started reading Side Jobs, and there is definitely a bit where Bob is talking about how being married to a Sidhe puts yourself under their control, and they can screw with your brain. I don't know that Mab is necessarily doing that to Harry (although would he recognize that? It is written from his perspective), especially with him pointing out how his effectiveness is tied to who he is. But I could also see the way that bond works being real concerning for everyone else.

    Am I misunderstanding who you are referencing?
    Harry is getting hitched to the White Court, not the Sidhe.

    To clarify
    You are correct about the future.

    However in the short story about Bill and Georgia's wedding, Bob says

    "He’ll be bound to her, the way the Winter Knights are bound to the Winter Queens. She’ll be able to impose her will over his. Change the way he thinks and feels about things."

    Bob's not wrong, but...
    I think he's only technically correct. Mab is able to give him tasks to complete, and he is duty bound to carry them out. That's definitely imposing her will on his, but not nearly as sinister as what it seems like Bob is saying. Plus the Maeve situation and the Hades heist had Harry being given direct orders by Mab, but being able to interpret them creatively in order to achieve Mab's (remarkably reasonable, all things considered) goals in a non-psychotic way. And changing the way he things and feels about things is rather overwrought too. The implication is that she'll be performing mind mojo, but when you look at what's changed with Harry and his take on Mab and Winter in general, the biggest impact was probably his visit to the Outer Gates. The next two were the death of Maeve followed by Peace Talks/Battle Ground. No mind-mojo involved, just hanging out and working with the person responsible for guarding all of reality, whose main tool is throwing her people into a meat grinder. Heck, even Molly is becoming slightly more sympathetic to the situation that Mab is dealing with. The message I got from the end of the Molly/Carlos short story was that Mab would absolutely love to have additional options for dealing with the Outsiders that doesn't involve child soldiers or any of the other stuff that Winter's 100% military activation would involve.

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    RhinocerousRhinocerous Registered User regular
    How important are the comics to the overall narrative? I have most of the novels on my Nook, rereading now up to Dead Beat, and I'm willing to pick up the short stories to fill in some of the gaps. But the comic collections seem expensive and I don't even know if he's done with that format or more are on the way.

    There is some worldbuilding stuff, but nothing essential to the story. In fact, there are some minor continuity errors in a couple of them. Whether that is due to Butcher writing them retroactively to the main story, or the artist/story editor taking liberties, I don't know. The most likely explanation may be that his pack of beta readers don't get a crack at these to catch mistakes.

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