IIRC SLJ said in an interview that because he didn't get his big break until he was nearly 40 for a long time he'd say yes to anything that paid because he was never sure when the money train was gonna stop. And then eventually he realized it wasn't and also he liked being in stuff so he started just doing stuff cause it sounds fun (and because the check cleared.)
This is the man who signed on to do Deep Blue Sea because he thought the idea of his character getting eaten by a shark out of nowhere was hilarious.
Not just out of nowhere. But during his big, badass, pull-up-your-socks-its-hero-time speech. That movie was mostly trash but that scene was amazing.
But to go back to someone above's point... the more badass Jedi that show up (Knights and Masters like Ashoka and Windu, and even whatever Cal Kestis turned into after the game ended) the more and more lame Yoda and Obi-Wan's plan to go into hiding was. As cool as a Jedi focused D+ show would be, I do not want it to be this show. Which I like very much.
Grogu has to come back in season 3 though. If you're going to base a show around the lone wolf and cub theme, make everyone in whole world love the cub... you can't take the cub away and not expect the audience, the wider audience if not the die-hard Star Wars fans, not to revolt.
Given what we know of the timeline, it is an interesting thought exercise to come up with reasons for Grogu to rejoin Din. Any threat to Grogu would have to be significant enough that staying with Luke is not viable option.
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Given what we know of the timeline, it is an interesting thought exercise to come up with reasons for Grogu to rejoin Din. Any threat to Grogu would have to be significant enough that staying with Luke is not viable option.
What are the chances that Mando's next season is after a time jump that puts the series closer to the ST? Just post Academy destruction I'm thinking.
Din gets news of what happened to the shiny new Jedi academy that Grogu's living at, hops in the new space Winnebago and takes off to find/rescue Grogu (because of course he's keeping tabs on his space son)? Bo Katan gets left in charge as regent of Mandalore while The Mandalore goes questing for his space son. I'm pretty sure that's a thing that happens for Mandalorians.
Maybe he has to fight of the Knights of Ren to keep Grogu alive because they want him for reasons (Working with/for Gideon?). Gives the show runners some big bads to fight off, and the opportunity to give those bads some fleshing out. And if a couple of knights get killed off, who cares? Not like they contributed anything to the movie. Worst case, just show them handing a dead knight's helmet off to some lackey and you're back at full knight roster just in time for the movie.
Given enough of a time skip, baby Grogu could have grown into toddler Grogu, now able to talk and walk more steadily. A few years of training has given him better control over the force, and he's now able to steal cookies from across the room instead of just one desk over.
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Given what we know of the timeline, it is an interesting thought exercise to come up with reasons for Grogu to rejoin Din. Any threat to Grogu would have to be significant enough that staying with Luke is not viable option.
Easy. Remember how basically every Jedi training sequence we’ve ever seen involves said Jedi leaving training to go save their friends?
Grogu will hitch a ride to check on Din and return to the aftermath of when Kylo Ren’s been soloing killing everyone who didn’t wanna edgelord with him.
That would be a pretty massive timeskip, would account for a lot of aging for the cast.
And honestly, Knights of Ren turned out so lame and underwhelming I think I would just rather forget about them. Just some masked randos with nothing to them
It'll all depend on what other shows Disney has in mind. We know there's a Boba Fett show, but he's not going to be doing anything with Mandelore. Maybe they spin Bo-Katan off into her own series maybe, but even then it would probably have to be after Season 3 since they'd need to resolve the Dark Saber issue.
Depending on how planned out they are, they could go a season without Grogu, focusing on Mandelore and then ending with something to bring the 2 back together. Or they could do that right off the bat if they didn't want less Grogu screen time. Or they could give Grogu his own show and have crossover episodes.
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I could imagine season 3 they have like three episodes without Grogu or something. Not that I want it that way but I can imagine the show getting a soft reset as many shows do after a big cliffhanger like the end of season 2.
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I watched the behind the scenes from the Mandalorian season 2 last night while doing some work and it was a neat watch. My only complaint is they didn't talk about working with Mark Hamill at all. I was really looking forward to some discussion about the process of bringing him back and the tech used and all that, but nothing at all. I'm hoping that means we'll get another episode at some point that talks about it....maybe?
I still wish they would have aged Luke a bit, say use a Mark Hamill reference from the late 80s. Or gone with a different outfit. Just something so it wasn’t a copy/paste from ROTJ. It’s supposed to be like 5 years later!
Meh. People don't look significantly different from ages 27 to 32. Different clothes, sure. But aside from drastic hairstyle changes or drastic weight gain/loss young people look young.
I say this as man in my early 40s who can no longer tell if a person is 16 or 22.
I am still squarely in the camp of recasting all these roles. Let actors interpret a character based on the script and timeline and do their own thing.
Treat them like comic book character runs.
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Like most truisms this is absolutely not a universal truth... but yeah there is absolutely a truth to it.
To quote Michael Cain on Jaws: The Revenge- "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."
My favorite is from Dennis Hopper relaying an anecdote of a conversation between him and his son
Son: Dad, why were you in that awful Mario Bros movie?
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Yoda put up a valiant effort, but Palpatine had way too much power(and tools) at his disposal to keep up. If it had stayed in Palpatine's chamber, maybe he'd have won.
(The clear moment when Yoda starts to see it's going badly is when he loses his saber.)
Though part of me wishes someone would do a re-edit of the Windu confrontation to make that an actually interesting fight instead of three guys going "AAAGH' in five seconds.
(I think the book version with the fake recording is even stupider, for the record.)
So... I haven't watched ROTS for a long time cuz.. not that good. Better than the ST but.. yeah. At any rate went and watched the fight again, Now I remember how it was. Yoda more or less was on par with Palps till he fell, and Obi Wan handled Anakin fine. They really could have regrouped and teamed up against Palps (though the 2 on 1 fights went SO well for Obi-Wan).
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The book version does not have a fake recording of the confrontation. It is edited.
:P
As flawed as the film version is, at least it jumps right to the action, as opposed to the book version, where I just picture Windu's squad exchanging baffled looks.
Actors are self employed and the vast majority of them will do any old shit if the money is good. As would I if I had any marketable skills.
Like most truisms this is absolutely not a universal truth... but yeah there is absolutely a truth to it.
To quote Michael Cain on Jaws: The Revenge- "I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific."
My favorite is from Dennis Hopper relaying an anecdote of a conversation between him and his son
Son: Dad, why were you in that awful Mario Bros movie?
Dennis: So you could have shoes.
Son: I don’t need shoes that badly, Dad.
Hah, yeah that's great too.
Honestly I'm just a huge Michael Caine fan because for the longest time I assumed he was a posh upper class guy which was whatever but when I found out where he actually came from I was like oh, fuck me, that's awesome.
It probably also helps that Second Hand Lions is one of my favorite movies of all time :P
Ford himself was asked, "so when you put on the wardrobe again, did you get emotional?"
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If anyone could make the Knights of Ren "cool", it's Dave and Jon. I don't think they'd time skip to that though.
IMO: Mando is going to Mandalore next season for Black Saber Hijinks. Maybe he might just meet up with Luke and his new Padawan, and, much to Luke's chagrin, they get separated! Oh no! Guess Baby Yoda will just have to hitch a ride with Mando again!
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So I finally finished Season 2 without getting it spoiled. Overall good stuff, but here's my general thoughts on stuff I didn't like:
1. Giancarlo Esposito is kind of typecast - he's basically space-Gustav Fring. He's a good actor, I just can't separate him from his Breaking Bad role. Maybe it's just me.
2. The Dark Sabre plotline is just silly and felt like it was there to force a conflict. I did like how Mando was trying to just get rid of it at the end via loopholes, which should have worked. Honor systems are stupid.
3. Luke's arrival at the end was neat, but it kind of negated the whole episode - if Mando et al had delayed their attack by an hour, they would have arrived at an empty Imperial ship and the kid already gone, courtesy of Luke. Seemed like he was a little *too* powerful and should have been toned down a bit...leave some reason for the rest of the gang to be required to win the day.
So I finally finished Season 2 without getting it spoiled. Overall good stuff, but here's my general thoughts on stuff I didn't like:
1. Giancarlo Esposito is kind of typecast - he's basically space-Gustav Fring. He's a good actor, I just can't separate him from his Breaking Bad role. Maybe it's just me.
2. The Dark Sabre plotline is just silly and felt like it was there to force a conflict. I did like how Mando was trying to just get rid of it at the end via loopholes, which should have worked. Honor systems are stupid.
3. Luke's arrival at the end was neat, but it kind of negated the whole episode - if Mando et al had delayed their attack by an hour, they would have arrived at an empty Imperial ship and the kid already gone, courtesy of Luke. Seemed like he was a little *too* powerful and should have been toned down a bit...leave some reason for the rest of the gang to be required to win the day.
But how cool would #3 have been as a plot hook for next season?
Din and crew walking through the abandoned cruiser, dead bodies, crushed droids everywhere. Lights flickering. Sirens in the background. Blast marks all over the walls.
They split up to search for survivors to tell them what's going on.
Bo Katan hits the bridge and opens the security recording to see a dark robed figure cutting through the imperials and doors like they're nothing.
Then they pick up Grogu from the lab and walks back to the ship.
Has Din fulfilled his quest? Or just watched his space son get kidnapped by something bigger and badder than anything he's seen before?
Keep the robed figure in black and white and the audience doesn't know either. Is it some rogue Sith? A dark Jedi? An Inquisitor? Well, probably not an inquisitor, didn't have a spinny saber.
You'd want to have a bit with Din and Bo talking, her filling him in on some Jedi lore from the Clone Wars. Mentioning the various factions and flavors of force users she's encountered in the years.
Maybe lose the X-wing too, since that could be a bit of a giveaway. Luke shouldn't be picking up passengers in that thing anyway, it's barely got enough room for one person. If he had to try to fit a normal sized sapient in that cockpit with him it'd be really crowded. An extended cockpit Y-wing, or some kind of diplomatic shuttle maybe?
You could have Moff Gideon hiding in a locker or some kind of safe room where he hid while sending all his men and androids to die for him. Then he runs into Din while trying to make his way to an escape shuttle to escape the ship. That way you can still have Din winning the Dark Saber.
Ideally, you'd have Din fighting a Dark Trooper in a previous episode before they take Grogu to show that they're incredibly badass before they all get Luke'd off screen, before Din gets on board.
So I finally finished Season 2 without getting it spoiled. Overall good stuff, but here's my general thoughts on stuff I didn't like:
1. Giancarlo Esposito is kind of typecast - he's basically space-Gustav Fring. He's a good actor, I just can't separate him from his Breaking Bad role. Maybe it's just me.
2. The Dark Sabre plotline is just silly and felt like it was there to force a conflict. I did like how Mando was trying to just get rid of it at the end via loopholes, which should have worked. Honor systems are stupid.
3. Luke's arrival at the end was neat, but it kind of negated the whole episode - if Mando et al had delayed their attack by an hour, they would have arrived at an empty Imperial ship and the kid already gone, courtesy of Luke. Seemed like he was a little *too* powerful and should have been toned down a bit...leave some reason for the rest of the gang to be required to win the day.
But how cool would #3 have been as a plot hook for next season?
Din and crew walking through the abandoned cruiser, dead bodies, crushed droids everywhere. Lights flickering. Sirens in the background. Blast marks all over the walls.
They split up to search for survivors to tell them what's going on.
Bo Katan hits the bridge and opens the security recording to see a dark robed figure cutting through the imperials and doors like they're nothing.
Then they pick up Grogu from the lab and walks back to the ship.
Has Din fulfilled his quest? Or just watched his space son get kidnapped by something bigger and badder than anything he's seen before?
Keep the robed figure in black and white and the audience doesn't know either. Is it some rogue Sith? A dark Jedi? An Inquisitor? Well, probably not an inquisitor, didn't have a spinny saber.
You'd want to have a bit with Din and Bo talking, her filling him in on some Jedi lore from the Clone Wars. Mentioning the various factions and flavors of force users she's encountered in the years.
Maybe lose the X-wing too, since that could be a bit of a giveaway. Luke shouldn't be picking up passengers in that thing anyway, it's barely got enough room for one person. If he had to try to fit a normal sized sapient in that cockpit with him it'd be really crowded. An extended cockpit Y-wing, or some kind of diplomatic shuttle maybe?
You could have Moff Gideon hiding in a locker or some kind of safe room where he hid while sending all his men and androids to die for him. Then he runs into Din while trying to make his way to an escape shuttle to escape the ship. That way you can still have Din winning the Dark Saber.
Ideally, you'd have Din fighting a Dark Trooper in a previous episode before they take Grogu to show that they're incredibly badass before they all get Luke'd off screen, before Din gets on board.
That would have been a lot cooler. Big build up to the fight, and then a sort of anti climax with a big cliffhanger... I would have been annoyed, but still loved it :rotate:
But Luke could only walk through the Dub Troopers because the strike team neutralized Moff Gideon. Had they arrived after the fact, they would have found Grogu murdered and Gideon suicided all over the bulkhead. Luke arrived exactly when the Force willed it.
The Dark Sabre in the canon only exists to create conflict. Its the embodiment of the stupidest aspects of Mandolaorian culture and its telling the Jedi it belonged to didn't want it to go back tonhis people
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CC did, in my opinion, do it better. Actual reveal at 17:30
Just their model did have a skinnier neck, which is readily apparent, but the face is pretty damn good
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For the most part it’s better though it’s a bit uneven in some shots where the quality fluctuates. But overall? Way better.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Some of the speech/mouth syncing was way off, but they acknowledge the guy doing it isn't an actor. It's still sorta jarring, but I was SPECIFICALLY watching for things like that. Watching it as part of the scene, I'd probably have not noticed a lot of it.
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For the most part it’s better though it’s a bit uneven in some shots where the quality fluctuates. But overall? Way better.
They touch on this but it says a LOT about where we are with tech when some dudes with a $10,000 workstation (not a lot by industry sfx standards!) can do that kind of stuff now.
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Yeah, I kinda have to wonder if the problem with this tech is they're leaving it to senior folks who are learning it after the fact instead of seeking out people who are properly skilled at it because they really actually work with it. That rework wasn't perfect by any means, but it was certainly better than the original and what could that crew have done with Disney resources to work with?
Yeah, I kinda have to wonder if the problem with this tech is they're leaving it to senior folks who are learning it after the fact instead of seeking out people who are properly skilled at it because they really actually work with it. That rework wasn't perfect by any means, but it was certainly better than the original and what could that crew have done with Disney resources to work with?
more likely it's because they are using an inhouse proprietary tool that is still in development.
Eh, it's be a more emotive perfromance, but from a technical aspect it doesn't look better or worse, just...a different Luke?
It also doesn't quite feel like how Luke would act with the story beats, raising the saber and such. Like, they wanted to show off the lighting so much they went too far with it. I think if they had just stuck with capturing a more emotive face and slight body language it would be straight up better, but they just wound up with a more realistic lit face that breaks uncanny valley in different ways.
I actually like the Disney Luke better. CC did a good job but it kinda falls (weirdly) in and out of the uncanny valley simultaneously. Their Luke looks more like a CGI render from a video game trailer, and he looks more like ANH Luke than ROTJ Luke.
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Just recast someone age appropriate for the periods the story takes in and let that actor, you know, actually fucking act.
We don't need to be trotting out the undead hologram of Mark Hammily in 2049 when we finally get a Jedi Academy series.
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For me, I’d be happy if this was one final go for Hamill. The they announce they’ve recast him for any other younger Luke stuff they want to do, and maybe have Hamill pass the torch publicly like somehow. I’m sure he’s be happy for someone else to take the role on.
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Not just out of nowhere. But during his big, badass, pull-up-your-socks-its-hero-time speech. That movie was mostly trash but that scene was amazing.
But to go back to someone above's point... the more badass Jedi that show up (Knights and Masters like Ashoka and Windu, and even whatever Cal Kestis turned into after the game ended) the more and more lame Yoda and Obi-Wan's plan to go into hiding was. As cool as a Jedi focused D+ show would be, I do not want it to be this show. Which I like very much.
Grogu has to come back in season 3 though. If you're going to base a show around the lone wolf and cub theme, make everyone in whole world love the cub... you can't take the cub away and not expect the audience, the wider audience if not the die-hard Star Wars fans, not to revolt.
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What are the chances that Mando's next season is after a time jump that puts the series closer to the ST? Just post Academy destruction I'm thinking.
Din gets news of what happened to the shiny new Jedi academy that Grogu's living at, hops in the new space Winnebago and takes off to find/rescue Grogu (because of course he's keeping tabs on his space son)? Bo Katan gets left in charge as regent of Mandalore while The Mandalore goes questing for his space son. I'm pretty sure that's a thing that happens for Mandalorians.
Maybe he has to fight of the Knights of Ren to keep Grogu alive because they want him for reasons (Working with/for Gideon?). Gives the show runners some big bads to fight off, and the opportunity to give those bads some fleshing out. And if a couple of knights get killed off, who cares? Not like they contributed anything to the movie. Worst case, just show them handing a dead knight's helmet off to some lackey and you're back at full knight roster just in time for the movie.
Given enough of a time skip, baby Grogu could have grown into toddler Grogu, now able to talk and walk more steadily. A few years of training has given him better control over the force, and he's now able to steal cookies from across the room instead of just one desk over.
Easy. Remember how basically every Jedi training sequence we’ve ever seen involves said Jedi leaving training to go save their friends?
Grogu will hitch a ride to check on Din and return to the aftermath of when Kylo Ren’s been soloing killing everyone who didn’t wanna edgelord with him.
And honestly, Knights of Ren turned out so lame and underwhelming I think I would just rather forget about them. Just some masked randos with nothing to them
Depending on how planned out they are, they could go a season without Grogu, focusing on Mandelore and then ending with something to bring the 2 back together. Or they could do that right off the bat if they didn't want less Grogu screen time. Or they could give Grogu his own show and have crossover episodes.
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Treat them like comic book character runs.
My favorite is from Dennis Hopper relaying an anecdote of a conversation between him and his son
Son: Dad, why were you in that awful Mario Bros movie?
Dennis: So you could have shoes.
Son: I don’t need shoes that badly, Dad.
(The clear moment when Yoda starts to see it's going badly is when he loses his saber.)
Though part of me wishes someone would do a re-edit of the Windu confrontation to make that an actually interesting fight instead of three guys going "AAAGH' in five seconds.
(I think the book version with the fake recording is even stupider, for the record.)
The book version does not have a fake recording of the confrontation. It is edited.
:P
As flawed as the film version is, at least it jumps right to the action, as opposed to the book version, where I just picture Windu's squad exchanging baffled looks.
Hah, yeah that's great too.
Honestly I'm just a huge Michael Caine fan because for the longest time I assumed he was a posh upper class guy which was whatever but when I found out where he actually came from I was like oh, fuck me, that's awesome.
It probably also helps that Second Hand Lions is one of my favorite movies of all time :P
"I got paid."
But he's always been like that.
IMO: Mando is going to Mandalore next season for Black Saber Hijinks. Maybe he might just meet up with Luke and his new Padawan, and, much to Luke's chagrin, they get separated! Oh no! Guess Baby Yoda will just have to hitch a ride with Mando again!
1. Giancarlo Esposito is kind of typecast - he's basically space-Gustav Fring. He's a good actor, I just can't separate him from his Breaking Bad role. Maybe it's just me.
2. The Dark Sabre plotline is just silly and felt like it was there to force a conflict. I did like how Mando was trying to just get rid of it at the end via loopholes, which should have worked. Honor systems are stupid.
3. Luke's arrival at the end was neat, but it kind of negated the whole episode - if Mando et al had delayed their attack by an hour, they would have arrived at an empty Imperial ship and the kid already gone, courtesy of Luke. Seemed like he was a little *too* powerful and should have been toned down a bit...leave some reason for the rest of the gang to be required to win the day.
But how cool would #3 have been as a plot hook for next season?
Din and crew walking through the abandoned cruiser, dead bodies, crushed droids everywhere. Lights flickering. Sirens in the background. Blast marks all over the walls.
They split up to search for survivors to tell them what's going on.
Bo Katan hits the bridge and opens the security recording to see a dark robed figure cutting through the imperials and doors like they're nothing.
Then they pick up Grogu from the lab and walks back to the ship.
Has Din fulfilled his quest? Or just watched his space son get kidnapped by something bigger and badder than anything he's seen before?
Keep the robed figure in black and white and the audience doesn't know either. Is it some rogue Sith? A dark Jedi? An Inquisitor? Well, probably not an inquisitor, didn't have a spinny saber.
You'd want to have a bit with Din and Bo talking, her filling him in on some Jedi lore from the Clone Wars. Mentioning the various factions and flavors of force users she's encountered in the years.
Maybe lose the X-wing too, since that could be a bit of a giveaway. Luke shouldn't be picking up passengers in that thing anyway, it's barely got enough room for one person. If he had to try to fit a normal sized sapient in that cockpit with him it'd be really crowded. An extended cockpit Y-wing, or some kind of diplomatic shuttle maybe?
You could have Moff Gideon hiding in a locker or some kind of safe room where he hid while sending all his men and androids to die for him. Then he runs into Din while trying to make his way to an escape shuttle to escape the ship. That way you can still have Din winning the Dark Saber.
Ideally, you'd have Din fighting a Dark Trooper in a previous episode before they take Grogu to show that they're incredibly badass before they all get Luke'd off screen, before Din gets on board.
Plus Dark Troopers aren't designed for taking out Jedi, if you wanted to do that you have other options:
That would have been a lot cooler. Big build up to the fight, and then a sort of anti climax with a big cliffhanger... I would have been annoyed, but still loved it :rotate:
CC did, in my opinion, do it better. Actual reveal at 17:30
Just their model did have a skinnier neck, which is readily apparent, but the face is pretty damn good
They touch on this but it says a LOT about where we are with tech when some dudes with a $10,000 workstation (not a lot by industry sfx standards!) can do that kind of stuff now.
more likely it's because they are using an inhouse proprietary tool that is still in development.
It also doesn't quite feel like how Luke would act with the story beats, raising the saber and such. Like, they wanted to show off the lighting so much they went too far with it. I think if they had just stuck with capturing a more emotive face and slight body language it would be straight up better, but they just wound up with a more realistic lit face that breaks uncanny valley in different ways.
But the extra smiling sure does improve it.
(The eyes seem deader tho?)
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Just recast someone age appropriate for the periods the story takes in and let that actor, you know, actually fucking act.
We don't need to be trotting out the undead hologram of Mark Hammily in 2049 when we finally get a Jedi Academy series.