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Been rewatching the Naked Gun films recently and we watched the 3rd one yesterday. Had totally forgotten that it ends on a big Ace-Ventura-style trans joke, so that was a fun surprise. Fucking 90s films, man.
Been rewatching the Naked Gun films recently and we watched the 3rd one yesterday. Had totally forgotten that it ends on a big Ace-Ventura-style trans joke, so that was a fun surprise. Fucking 90s films, man.
That was a reference to the Crying game specifically which admittedly is still not a great look
But really OJ inadvertently killing those films longevity was probably the most good hes ever done
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Man there will still tons of tons of mean spirited trans jokes through most of the 00s! I feel like it wasn't till the end of the decade that even some popular television/movie media decided "uh maybe just saying 'trans people are gross let's point and laugh'" was maybe not kosher.
Like many oughts sitcoms had at least one episode where a character meets a person they like, they really hit it off, and then they discover the character is trans and they bail immediately. And that's the joke in its entirety.
Man there will still tons of tons of mean spirited trans jokes through most of the 00s! I feel like it wasn't till the end of the decade that even some popular television/movie media decided "uh maybe just saying 'trans people are gross let's point and laugh'" was maybe not kosher.
Like many oughts sitcoms had at least one episode where a character meets a person they like, they really hit it off, and then they discover the character is trans and they bail immediately. And that's the joke in its entirety.
It only served to confirm my family was right and that it was such a shunned and terrible thing to be...
Fuck the media and my parents as i t is actually resplendent and beautiful!
Mostly just huntin' monsters.
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With awesome actors like Elliot Page and awesome actresses like Abigail Thorne, I hope some much better media representation of trans characters is coming....
For me as a cis bi poly person - I really wish friends and romantic partners didn't compare me to TV/movie characters when I came out to them. I know they were probably just trying to get to grips with stuff, but... I'm a real person, not a character from their favourite sitcom : /
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if there are some groups you all feel specially need more visibility pls let me know (I think most of our students understand terms like gay, bi and pan; also trans and nonbinary; but far fewer have awareness of agender people, asexual or demisexual people, intersex people....)
which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother
My oldest memory of a good queer joke insult was from the late 80s and it was someone talking about finally standing up to their bully by saying, "I'm more of a man than you'll ever be and more of a woman than you'll ever get." and I still think about that sometimes.
which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother
My oldest memory of a good queer joke insult was from the late 80s and it was someone talking about finally standing up to their bully by saying, "I'm more of a man than you'll ever be and more of a woman than you'll ever get." and I still think about that sometimes.
I love this
it's very old school and takes so much panache to deliver
which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother
LOL
Yup, I get that as a bi woman too...
("you're straight/gay and just going through a phase" - a phase that's been going on for over 10 years now)
Can't use your awesome comeback as it's from friends whose parents I know so X )
Bi representation - at least we get Hamilton now and not just 2 sitcoms and a bunch of porn!
Oof - that too
Reminds me of a time when (spoilered for sensitive content)
a New Year's kiss with a female friend elicited an applause from a bar full of sleezy older guys. They thought it was a performance, y'know, for them. Yuck : (
Been much more careful where I go out since then...
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Oof - that too
Reminds me of a time when (spoilered for sensitive content)
a New Year's kiss with a female friend elicited an applause from a bar full of sleezy older guys. They thought it was a performance, y'know, for them. Yuck : (
Been much more careful where I go out since then...
For @Jars - I'd like it if it was two of my consenting male partners who enjoyed being watched, otherwise I think it's as creepy and intrusive as when men watch women uninvited...
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something I've always wondered, since it's a big thing among men, do women like it when men do gay things with each other?
This is a whole thing in fanfiction and fanart, but it's been observed that M/M porn and relationship stories are, among other things, a way for women to explore sexual fantasies free of the implicit gendered power imbalance that exists in hetero pairings because of the shitty sexist culture we all live in. This includes exploring power dynamics other than gender, without a gender difference mucking things up. (See also: A/B/O* dynamics, which are, at their core, a way to divorce gender and gender roles from sex and biology. 95% of everything is shite, but the other ~5% of A/B/O fanfiction contains some very thoughtful social commentary.)
Also, male characters tend to be 1) much more numerous and 2) better developed than female characters (because of the aforementioned sexist culture), so in any given fandom there are a lot more potential M/M relationships between interesting characters than F/F or M/F.
So, while there are certainly women who just like watching men do gay things... it's complicated.
*just in case, to spare a NSFW google search: A/B/O is a genre of fanfiction in which people have a biological alpha, beta, or omega disposition in addition to their sex. Betas are what we think of as normal humans. Omegas are submissive (usually) and can get pregnant and bear children, regardless of whether they are male or female. Alphas are dominant and have a strong drive to claim and protect omegas. The best examples of the genre use the framework to explore and subvert gender roles and gender essentialism.
I'll can give you a virtual hug @Satanic Jesus - would that help? *
That is so interesting @Calica , have never thought about fanfics in that way
Though, aren't A/B/O dynamics kind of based on secondary genders as fixed and biological?
(though I'm not an expert on this & hope this isn't a super prejudiced and ignorant question)
I'll can give you a virtual hug @Satanic Jesus - would that help? *
That is so interesting @Calica , have never thought about fanfics in that way
Though, aren't A/B/O dynamics kind of based on secondary genders as fixed and biological?
(though I'm not an expert on this & hope this isn't a super prejudiced and ignorant question)
Pretty much. The idea is that you can take a male character that your audience is already familiar with - Tony Stark, say - and give them a biological trait that gives them the same kinds of disadvantages in society that women have in real life, while sidestepping the gendered stereotypes that a reader would automatically apply to a female character. So writers can show an omega Tony Stark who is constantly underestimated, devalued, and treated like an object in the same way that women are in real life, and for the same reasons (ability to bear children, perceived physical and/or mental weakness), in spite of his actual accomplishments. And because it's happening to a male character, it emphasizes how incredibly messed up it is that we have these stereotypes that have nothing to do with the biological differences on which they're supposedly based.
Of course, an awful lot of A/B/O fanfic is straight-up kinky porn (and there's nothing wrong with that!).
Also, I'm hardly an expert either; just interested. I certainly have no grounds to get offended by questions about made-up biology :biggrin:
you can take a male character that your audience is already familiar with - Tony Stark, say - and give them a biological trait that gives them the same kinds of disadvantages in society that women have in real life, while sidestepping the gendered stereotypes that a reader would automatically apply to a female character.
So rather than being sexist A/B/O stories actually expose sexism in our society?
I feel like I just entered the Matrix and finally understand what this genre is actually about (aside from the kinky porn), TY @Calica !
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MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.
you can take a male character that your audience is already familiar with - Tony Stark, say - and give them a biological trait that gives them the same kinds of disadvantages in society that women have in real life, while sidestepping the gendered stereotypes that a reader would automatically apply to a female character.
So rather than being sexist A/B/O stories actually expose sexism in our society?
I feel like I just entered the Matrix and finally understand what this genre is actually about (aside from the kinky porn), TY @Calica !
To be fair, it really, really depends on the specific story and author.
edit: but yeah, a running theme is that biology isn't an excuse. Like, your Alpha hormones are no excuse to be an overbearing jerk; just because an Omega is in heat doesn't mean they consent to sex; etc.
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Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.
That...sounds like a good thing?
I mean
All conditions are ultimately physical in the end and I really wish there wasn’t a distinction made.
Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.
That...sounds like a good thing?
Hum. I am trying to think through this as it relates to my personal and professional stuff. I can't sort my thoughts on this perfectly personally. I think I like it? It appears to be moving in the direction I generally like. Treating it as a physical condition rather than mental one makes sense to me at least. My problem doesn't lie in my brain being wrong, but my body having developed in ways I dislike.
I am pretty sure I like this from my stand point as a therapist as well. Even the best intentioned therapists I have met will have elements of "are you trans enough" strewn throughout some of their stuff. Not because of a desire to test people but out of a desire to protect their license which is just cowardice to me. Moving it away from a mental state at all moves it out of the realm of shit we should have on our professional plate which makes me happy.
I see zero reason to treat it any differently than typical plastic surgery. You don't need a therapists to sign off on a typical boob job so why the fuck are we suddenly pulled in for this? Don't get me wrong, I get why for the individual it is a much bigger deal than like a typical nose job. Clinically it really doesn't register though in a much different way. At best you could compare it to a vasectomy. I would say hysterectomy as well but that opens up a similar but distinctly different type of bullshit.
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MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.
That...sounds like a good thing?
Hum. I am trying to think through this as it relates to my personal and professional stuff. I can't sort my thoughts on this perfectly personally. I think I like it? It appears to be moving in the direction I generally like. Treating it as a physical condition rather than mental one makes sense to me at least. My problem doesn't lie in my brain being wrong, but my body having developed in ways I dislike.
I am pretty sure I like this from my stand point as a therapist as well. Even the best intentioned therapists I have met will have elements of "are you trans enough" strewn throughout some of their stuff. Not because of a desire to test people but out of a desire to protect their license which is just cowardice to me. Moving it away from a mental state at all moves it out of the realm of shit we should have on our professional plate which makes me happy.
I see zero reason to treat it any differently than typical plastic surgery. You don't need a therapists to sign off on a typical boob job so why the fuck are we suddenly pulled in for this? Don't get me wrong, I get why for the individual it is a much bigger deal than like a typical nose job. Clinically it really doesn't register though in a much different way. At best you could compare it to a vasectomy. I would say hysterectomy as well but that opens up a similar but distinctly different type of bullshit.
Yeah I think considering it a physical condition means the brain is 'right' but your body is 'wrong' - just like any cosmetic or other surgery.
Just wanted to share, thought it was a good clinical way to look at it. This is for insurance purposes, so probably the real reason is a few surgeries are cheaper than a lifetime of therapy .
My introduction to a/b/o was watching several hours of Lindsey Ellis videos explaining some frankly absurd legal drama stemming from omegaverse authors that seemed to be building up to a major scotus copywrite case and then died off because the person behind all the drama just never actually showed up to court.
But really, by main problem with that whole genre is it propping up debunked wolf science and I won't stand for it!
Meanwhile my only real interactions with A/B/O has been either furry stuff (okay, well, specifically Werewolf, but technically that was my LARP character) ... and PUA bullshit.
When you put it like that, it makes perfect sense @Gnizmo
I wish mental health experts like you were heard and listened to in the Bell v Tavistock case and we wouldn't be in this mess...
My introduction to a/b/o was watching several hours of Lindsey Ellis videos explaining some frankly absurd legal drama stemming from omegaverse authors that seemed to be building up to a major scotus copywrite case and then died off because the person behind all the drama just never actually showed up to court.
Wait... Lindsay Ellis is no longer getting sued by that omegaverse chick?
Aww.... but that was so hilarious to watch....
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That was a reference to the Crying game specifically which admittedly is still not a great look
But really OJ inadvertently killing those films longevity was probably the most good hes ever done
Like many oughts sitcoms had at least one episode where a character meets a person they like, they really hit it off, and then they discover the character is trans and they bail immediately. And that's the joke in its entirety.
So excited!
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It only served to confirm my family was right and that it was such a shunned and terrible thing to be...
Fuck the media and my parents as i t is actually resplendent and beautiful!
XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
For me as a cis bi poly person - I really wish friends and romantic partners didn't compare me to TV/movie characters when I came out to them. I know they were probably just trying to get to grips with stuff, but... I'm a real person, not a character from their favourite sitcom : /
Hang in there @Jars
Trying to figure out ways to raise QUILTBAG visibility and inclusivity in some of our classes (through accurate representations like
if there are some groups you all feel specially need more visibility pls let me know (I think most of our students understand terms like gay, bi and pan; also trans and nonbinary; but far fewer have awareness of agender people, asexual or demisexual people, intersex people....)
which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother
My oldest memory of a good queer joke insult was from the late 80s and it was someone talking about finally standing up to their bully by saying, "I'm more of a man than you'll ever be and more of a woman than you'll ever get." and I still think about that sometimes.
I love this
it's very old school and takes so much panache to deliver
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Well maybe not so much anymore on that one
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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Yup, I get that as a bi woman too...
("you're straight/gay and just going through a phase" - a phase that's been going on for over 10 years now)
Can't use your awesome comeback as it's from friends whose parents I know so X )
Bi representation - at least we get Hamilton now and not just 2 sitcoms and a bunch of porn!
Reminds me of a time when (spoilered for sensitive content)
Been much more careful where I go out since then...
UGH
I am the happiest girl!
XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
For @Jars - I'd like it if it was two of my consenting male partners who enjoyed being watched, otherwise I think it's as creepy and intrusive as when men watch women uninvited...
Unfortunate experiences at anime conventions in the early aughts say that yes, there are gross women also.
This is a whole thing in fanfiction and fanart, but it's been observed that M/M porn and relationship stories are, among other things, a way for women to explore sexual fantasies free of the implicit gendered power imbalance that exists in hetero pairings because of the shitty sexist culture we all live in. This includes exploring power dynamics other than gender, without a gender difference mucking things up. (See also: A/B/O* dynamics, which are, at their core, a way to divorce gender and gender roles from sex and biology. 95% of everything is shite, but the other ~5% of A/B/O fanfiction contains some very thoughtful social commentary.)
Also, male characters tend to be 1) much more numerous and 2) better developed than female characters (because of the aforementioned sexist culture), so in any given fandom there are a lot more potential M/M relationships between interesting characters than F/F or M/F.
So, while there are certainly women who just like watching men do gay things... it's complicated.
*just in case, to spare a NSFW google search: A/B/O is a genre of fanfiction in which people have a biological alpha, beta, or omega disposition in addition to their sex. Betas are what we think of as normal humans. Omegas are submissive (usually) and can get pregnant and bear children, regardless of whether they are male or female. Alphas are dominant and have a strong drive to claim and protect omegas. The best examples of the genre use the framework to explore and subvert gender roles and gender essentialism.
That is so interesting @Calica , have never thought about fanfics in that way
Though, aren't A/B/O dynamics kind of based on secondary genders as fixed and biological?
(though I'm not an expert on this & hope this isn't a super prejudiced and ignorant question)
Pretty much. The idea is that you can take a male character that your audience is already familiar with - Tony Stark, say - and give them a biological trait that gives them the same kinds of disadvantages in society that women have in real life, while sidestepping the gendered stereotypes that a reader would automatically apply to a female character. So writers can show an omega Tony Stark who is constantly underestimated, devalued, and treated like an object in the same way that women are in real life, and for the same reasons (ability to bear children, perceived physical and/or mental weakness), in spite of his actual accomplishments. And because it's happening to a male character, it emphasizes how incredibly messed up it is that we have these stereotypes that have nothing to do with the biological differences on which they're supposedly based.
Of course, an awful lot of A/B/O fanfic is straight-up kinky porn (and there's nothing wrong with that!).
Also, I'm hardly an expert either; just interested. I certainly have no grounds to get offended by questions about made-up biology :biggrin:
I feel like I just entered the Matrix and finally understand what this genre is actually about (aside from the kinky porn), TY @Calica !
That...sounds like a good thing?
To be fair, it really, really depends on the specific story and author.
edit: but yeah, a running theme is that biology isn't an excuse. Like, your Alpha hormones are no excuse to be an overbearing jerk; just because an Omega is in heat doesn't mean they consent to sex; etc.
I mean
All conditions are ultimately physical in the end and I really wish there wasn’t a distinction made.
The issue is that one is treated as lesser than the other, which yeah that really sucks.
Hum. I am trying to think through this as it relates to my personal and professional stuff. I can't sort my thoughts on this perfectly personally. I think I like it? It appears to be moving in the direction I generally like. Treating it as a physical condition rather than mental one makes sense to me at least. My problem doesn't lie in my brain being wrong, but my body having developed in ways I dislike.
I am pretty sure I like this from my stand point as a therapist as well. Even the best intentioned therapists I have met will have elements of "are you trans enough" strewn throughout some of their stuff. Not because of a desire to test people but out of a desire to protect their license which is just cowardice to me. Moving it away from a mental state at all moves it out of the realm of shit we should have on our professional plate which makes me happy.
I see zero reason to treat it any differently than typical plastic surgery. You don't need a therapists to sign off on a typical boob job so why the fuck are we suddenly pulled in for this? Don't get me wrong, I get why for the individual it is a much bigger deal than like a typical nose job. Clinically it really doesn't register though in a much different way. At best you could compare it to a vasectomy. I would say hysterectomy as well but that opens up a similar but distinctly different type of bullshit.
Yeah I think considering it a physical condition means the brain is 'right' but your body is 'wrong' - just like any cosmetic or other surgery.
Just wanted to share, thought it was a good clinical way to look at it. This is for insurance purposes, so probably the real reason is a few surgeries are cheaper than a lifetime of therapy .
But really, by main problem with that whole genre is it propping up debunked wolf science and I won't stand for it!
I wish mental health experts like you were heard and listened to in the Bell v Tavistock case and we wouldn't be in this mess...
I really like that summary - I think that should go in the DSM!
Wait... Lindsay Ellis is no longer getting sued by that omegaverse chick?
Aww.... but that was so hilarious to watch....
LOL
Next time a friend sends me an A/B/O fic I don't want to read, I'll be like "This is unscientific! How dare you!" : D