BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
edited April 2021
Yeah and people are out here complaining about deck of lunacy and not the uh 2 mana 3 durability weapon that thins your deck by 3 cards and generates absurd pressure for practically free
Libram/Secret Paladin is by far the best deck right now and it is in large part thanks to that card
I predict it going to 2 durability
I also predict balance changes to be announced by this weekend
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I predict it staying at 3 durability and going to 3 or 4 mana.
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Because they ran it in a tempo mage list replete with minions and it was often 4 mana draw 2 or maybe 2 mana draw 2 but no one would run a spells only list that's crazy it couldn't possible be viable.
well you need to refund at least 2 mana so that they use their hero power and get one step closer to mordresh
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Part of the issue with the sword is also that the average quality of Paladin secrets right now is very high. Noble Sac is decent, Avenge is very good in a tempo/aggro deck, Galloping Saviour is decent, and Oh My Yogg! is insane. Reckoning is also arguably getting slept on, it's super good but people seem not to have realized that it triggers on all damage, not just face or minion damage.
Fucking crazy how sword of the fallen has an 80% played winrate on curve
Yeah that cards is nuts. I take back any reservations I had about secret pally being viable, with that card at 2 it’s going be around every expansion.
During reveal season I was skeptical as always about Secret Pally, but as soon as that card was revealed I was like "welp, I guess Secret Pally is gonna be a thing for real this time."
Yeah and people are out here complaining about deck of lunacy and not the uh 2 mana 3 durability weapon that thins your deck by 3 cards and generates absurd pressure for practically free
Excuse me, some of us are bitching about both.
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Kibler going 6-1 with Dude Paladin at Legend. Probably early in the expansion drop to not work now, but worth a look if you're interested. Righteous Protector into Caravan is pretty insane value generation.
Play Priest! The deck I posted above beats both Mage and Paladin! Well, it beats Secret Aggro Paladin. The Libram Paladins are a harder slog.
One of their last two cards was Penflinger, and I think that the other was probably Hand of A'dal. Between fatigue and attacks, they brought me to 1, and then they ticked over for exact lethal on their turn (or would have, but they conceded). That was my SECOND last boss for Legend. The last boss was a fairly anti-climactic Elemental Shaman; they managed to get me down to 14, but Xyrella in hand from the mulligan and a top-decked Desperate Prayer flipped things around pretty fast.
I really like that Priest deck. It does Priest things, making people's heads explode. With that said, I'm a little uncertain about Mindrender Illucia in the deck. While there have been a few games that I could not have won without her, most games she just sits dead in hand and doesn't contribute. I'd probably cut her for another Condemn if I was to keep tweaking the deck, or possibly even Raise Dead. With so few minions, Raise Dead is incredibly consistent when I get it off of Palm Reading or Renew.
Anyhow, I think that this meta isn't actually all that bad. Paladin and Mage each have at least one card that needs a nerf I think, and I think that Penflinger needs to die if only because of how annoying it is. But overall, there's a pretty decent number of decks that feel like they can do well - I played plenty of Shamans, Rogues, Druids, Warriors, Priests, Demon Hunters, and Hunters during my climb. No Warlocks though, which surprised me a little. Basically, I can think of a lot worse metas; the big problem as I see it is that Paladin feels like it's the same deck that it's been playing for the last year, and Mage feels too random, and plenty of people are on the early season bandwagon to try to climb with those two decks.
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Play Priest! The deck I posted above beats both Mage and Paladin! Well, it beats Secret Aggro Paladin. The Libram Paladins are a harder slog.
One of their last two cards was Penflinger, and I think that the other was probably Hand of A'dal. Between fatigue and attacks, they brought me to 1, and then they ticked over for exact lethal on their turn (or would have, but they conceded). That was my SECOND last boss for Legend. The last boss was a fairly anti-climactic Elemental Shaman; they managed to get me down to 14, but Xyrella in hand from the mulligan and a top-decked Desperate Prayer flipped things around pretty fast.
I really like that Priest deck. It does Priest things, making people's heads explode. With that said, I'm a little uncertain about Mindrender Illucia in the deck. While there have been a few games that I could not have won without her, most games she just sits dead in hand and doesn't contribute. I'd probably cut her for another Condemn if I was to keep tweaking the deck, or possibly even Raise Dead. With so few minions, Raise Dead is incredibly consistent when I get it off of Palm Reading or Renew.
Anyhow, I think that this meta isn't actually all that bad. Paladin and Mage each have at least one card that needs a nerf I think, and I think that Penflinger needs to die if only because of how annoying it is. But overall, there's a pretty decent number of decks that feel like they can do well - I played plenty of Shamans, Rogues, Druids, Warriors, Priests, Demon Hunters, and Hunters during my climb. No Warlocks though, which surprised me a little. Basically, I can think of a lot worse metas; the big problem as I see it is that Paladin feels like it's the same deck that it's been playing for the last year, and Mage feels too random, and plenty of people are on the early season bandwagon to try to climb with those two decks.
Priest is fine. It’s functionally similar to all priest decks tho, plus it doesn’t have the insanity of mage or the silly broken starts of paladin.
You can watch his stream from the day, going from Plat 5 to Legend.
(jump to 5:00.00 to see the start of the climb, which took just over 4 hours)
Now it's possible the day 1 stuff doesn't work anymore because the meta has shifted, but you might still be able to pick up some tips from his gameplay.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
I noticed he's playing a different version of the deck than the one posted here. Seems to have Sightless Watchers in place of the Wandmakers. Does he switch up the deck at some point?
Lol, well, his first mage game starts at about 5:10 and involves him misplaying and getting destroyed (ironically he also did a lot of trading here). Off to a good start here for the almighty Kibler.
Looks like Mage 2 shows up at 5:53 and now he's playing Wandmakers (but also Il'ynoth?). He got a very good start, early minion curve into Felscreamer/Inquisitor (but the mage also had the nuts), and he died again.
One hour in and he has the same record against mage with Inquisitor DH as I do! :cool:
Watched a bit more tonight. Mage #3 shows up at 6:33 and he loses to it, misplaying again (not as blatantly as the first time though).
My least favourite part of this meta is that they took away all of priest's win conditions and only gave it a control shell as a viable option, but on top of that printed Tickatus so control priest auto-loses to warlock all the time. It's a bit demoralizing to be sure, to have your favourite class be so weak.
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BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
Problem with priest having a win condition is it then becomes an even worse meta
My least favourite part of this meta is that they took away all of priest's win conditions and only gave it a control shell as a viable option, but on top of that printed Tickatus so control priest auto-loses to warlock all the time. It's a bit demoralizing to be sure, to have your favourite class be so weak.
That's what Shadowform is for! :rotate:
But honestly new Alex is, in many cases, a wincon for control decks. It's just getting there that can sometimes be the issue. But it's 8 points of reach that you might not otherwise have, yeah?
I haven't been able to get a Warlock under 1 health, but it's going toe-to-toe with Mages and beating Paladins all hollow, plus it's a blast to play. Also, Venomous Scorpid may be low-key one of the sleeper cards of the set. Discover a spell attached to a 1/3 poisonous body is pretty neat.
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My least favourite part of this meta is that they took away all of priest's win conditions and only gave it a control shell as a viable option, but on top of that printed Tickatus so control priest auto-loses to warlock all the time. It's a bit demoralizing to be sure, to have your favourite class be so weak.
That's what Shadowform is for! :rotate:
But honestly new Alex is, in many cases, a wincon for control decks. It's just getting there that can sometimes be the issue. But it's 8 points of reach that you might not otherwise have, yeah?
maybe if they hadn't rotated mind blast >:ccc
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BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
i've faced 9 mages tonight and all 9 had deck of lunacy on 2
Balance changes to go out early next week with 20.0.2. We'll be targeting some cards in Mage, Paladin, Rogue, and Neutral. Hoping to create more space for experimentation in the early Barrens meta and have a more diverse field of classes. 6 changes in total, details coming soon.
Yeah the Posts are likely targets as well. Now that I notice there are only 6 changes in total, with at least 3 being eaten up by class nerfs, there's no way Broom gets touched.
You can watch his stream from the day, going from Plat 5 to Legend.
(jump to 5:00.00 to see the start of the climb, which took just over 4 hours)
Now it's possible the day 1 stuff doesn't work anymore because the meta has shifted, but you might still be able to pick up some tips from his gameplay.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
I noticed he's playing a different version of the deck than the one posted here. Seems to have Sightless Watchers in place of the Wandmakers. Does he switch up the deck at some point?
Lol, well, his first mage game starts at about 5:10 and involves him misplaying and getting destroyed (ironically he also did a lot of trading here). Off to a good start here for the almighty Kibler.
Looks like Mage 2 shows up at 5:53 and now he's playing Wandmakers (but also Il'ynoth?). He got a very good start, early minion curve into Felscreamer/Inquisitor (but the mage also had the nuts), and he died again.
One hour in and he has the same record against mage with Inquisitor DH as I do! :cool:
Watched a bit more tonight. Mage #3 shows up at 6:33 and he loses to it, misplaying again (not as blatantly as the first time though).
At the 8 hour mark now and he is 2-4 against Mages (and has misplayed in most of the games). I'm thinking we just got bamboozled by this deck.
Also seems worth noting how relatively fewer Mages there were in this day 1 meta, and most of them seemed to be playing C'Thun, which I'm not sure is optimal.
You can watch his stream from the day, going from Plat 5 to Legend.
(jump to 5:00.00 to see the start of the climb, which took just over 4 hours)
Now it's possible the day 1 stuff doesn't work anymore because the meta has shifted, but you might still be able to pick up some tips from his gameplay.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
I noticed he's playing a different version of the deck than the one posted here. Seems to have Sightless Watchers in place of the Wandmakers. Does he switch up the deck at some point?
Lol, well, his first mage game starts at about 5:10 and involves him misplaying and getting destroyed (ironically he also did a lot of trading here). Off to a good start here for the almighty Kibler.
Looks like Mage 2 shows up at 5:53 and now he's playing Wandmakers (but also Il'ynoth?). He got a very good start, early minion curve into Felscreamer/Inquisitor (but the mage also had the nuts), and he died again.
One hour in and he has the same record against mage with Inquisitor DH as I do! :cool:
Watched a bit more tonight. Mage #3 shows up at 6:33 and he loses to it, misplaying again (not as blatantly as the first time though).
At the 8 hour mark now and he is 2-4 against Mages (and has misplayed in most of the games). I'm thinking we just got bamboozled by this deck.
Also seems worth noting how relatively fewer Mages there were in this day 1 meta, and most of them seemed seemed to be playing C'Thun, which I'm not sure is optimal.
I think that there's general agreement that C'Thun is bad in Spell Mage; if nothing else, it makes it harder to get Deck of Lunacy.
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C'thun the shattered is a trap
I've started playing netherwind portal and a single cone of cold for the mirror/to shore up aggro
You can watch his stream from the day, going from Plat 5 to Legend.
(jump to 5:00.00 to see the start of the climb, which took just over 4 hours)
Now it's possible the day 1 stuff doesn't work anymore because the meta has shifted, but you might still be able to pick up some tips from his gameplay.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
I noticed he's playing a different version of the deck than the one posted here. Seems to have Sightless Watchers in place of the Wandmakers. Does he switch up the deck at some point?
Lol, well, his first mage game starts at about 5:10 and involves him misplaying and getting destroyed (ironically he also did a lot of trading here). Off to a good start here for the almighty Kibler.
Looks like Mage 2 shows up at 5:53 and now he's playing Wandmakers (but also Il'ynoth?). He got a very good start, early minion curve into Felscreamer/Inquisitor (but the mage also had the nuts), and he died again.
One hour in and he has the same record against mage with Inquisitor DH as I do! :cool:
Watched a bit more tonight. Mage #3 shows up at 6:33 and he loses to it, misplaying again (not as blatantly as the first time though).
At the 8 hour mark now and he is 2-4 against Mages (and has misplayed in most of the games). I'm thinking we just got bamboozled by this deck.
Also seems worth noting how relatively fewer Mages there were in this day 1 meta, and most of them seemed seemed to be playing C'Thun, which I'm not sure is optimal.
8:30 and he just lost to another Mage. 2-5 now. Elvenshae and I were duped!
You can watch his stream from the day, going from Plat 5 to Legend.
(jump to 5:00.00 to see the start of the climb, which took just over 4 hours)
Now it's possible the day 1 stuff doesn't work anymore because the meta has shifted, but you might still be able to pick up some tips from his gameplay.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
I noticed he's playing a different version of the deck than the one posted here. Seems to have Sightless Watchers in place of the Wandmakers. Does he switch up the deck at some point?
Lol, well, his first mage game starts at about 5:10 and involves him misplaying and getting destroyed (ironically he also did a lot of trading here). Off to a good start here for the almighty Kibler.
Looks like Mage 2 shows up at 5:53 and now he's playing Wandmakers (but also Il'ynoth?). He got a very good start, early minion curve into Felscreamer/Inquisitor (but the mage also had the nuts), and he died again.
One hour in and he has the same record against mage with Inquisitor DH as I do! :cool:
Watched a bit more tonight. Mage #3 shows up at 6:33 and he loses to it, misplaying again (not as blatantly as the first time though).
At the 8 hour mark now and he is 2-4 against Mages (and has misplayed in most of the games). I'm thinking we just got bamboozled by this deck.
Also seems worth noting how relatively fewer Mages there were in this day 1 meta, and most of them seemed seemed to be playing C'Thun, which I'm not sure is optimal.
8:30 and he just lost to another Mage. 2-5 now. Elvenshae and I were duped!
I think at the end he said he went 50/50 against Mages. Regardless, it was day 1 and nothing had really stuck yet. Probably best to stop watching, unless you find it entertaining.
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* if you play SotF on Curve, you win 80% of the time
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* in 80% of the games this deck wins, SotF is played on curve
The first one.
I just played and beat five straight Mages with Control Priest.
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Technically, C’thun represents a win condition, but mostly it’s “LOL I keep getting rid of all your stuff and healing to full.”
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Libram/Secret Paladin is by far the best deck right now and it is in large part thanks to that card
I predict it going to 2 durability
I also predict balance changes to be announced by this weekend
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My recommendation is to play paladin or mage.
Play Priest! The deck I posted above beats both Mage and Paladin! Well, it beats Secret Aggro Paladin. The Libram Paladins are a harder slog.
One of their last two cards was Penflinger, and I think that the other was probably Hand of A'dal. Between fatigue and attacks, they brought me to 1, and then they ticked over for exact lethal on their turn (or would have, but they conceded). That was my SECOND last boss for Legend. The last boss was a fairly anti-climactic Elemental Shaman; they managed to get me down to 14, but Xyrella in hand from the mulligan and a top-decked Desperate Prayer flipped things around pretty fast.
I really like that Priest deck. It does Priest things, making people's heads explode. With that said, I'm a little uncertain about Mindrender Illucia in the deck. While there have been a few games that I could not have won without her, most games she just sits dead in hand and doesn't contribute. I'd probably cut her for another Condemn if I was to keep tweaking the deck, or possibly even Raise Dead. With so few minions, Raise Dead is incredibly consistent when I get it off of Palm Reading or Renew.
Anyhow, I think that this meta isn't actually all that bad. Paladin and Mage each have at least one card that needs a nerf I think, and I think that Penflinger needs to die if only because of how annoying it is. But overall, there's a pretty decent number of decks that feel like they can do well - I played plenty of Shamans, Rogues, Druids, Warriors, Priests, Demon Hunters, and Hunters during my climb. No Warlocks though, which surprised me a little. Basically, I can think of a lot worse metas; the big problem as I see it is that Paladin feels like it's the same deck that it's been playing for the last year, and Mage feels too random, and plenty of people are on the early season bandwagon to try to climb with those two decks.
Priest is fine. It’s functionally similar to all priest decks tho, plus it doesn’t have the insanity of mage or the silly broken starts of paladin.
That's what Shadowform is for! :rotate:
But honestly new Alex is, in many cases, a wincon for control decks. It's just getting there that can sometimes be the issue. But it's 8 points of reach that you might not otherwise have, yeah?
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I haven't been able to get a Warlock under 1 health, but it's going toe-to-toe with Mages and beating Paladins all hollow, plus it's a blast to play. Also, Venomous Scorpid may be low-key one of the sleeper cards of the set. Discover a spell attached to a 1/3 poisonous body is pretty neat.
maybe if they hadn't rotated mind blast >:ccc
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Also seems worth noting how relatively fewer Mages there were in this day 1 meta, and most of them seemed to be playing C'Thun, which I'm not sure is optimal.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
I think that there's general agreement that C'Thun is bad in Spell Mage; if nothing else, it makes it harder to get Deck of Lunacy.
I've started playing netherwind portal and a single cone of cold for the mirror/to shore up aggro
Mask of C'thun is a two of
I think at the end he said he went 50/50 against Mages. Regardless, it was day 1 and nothing had really stuck yet. Probably best to stop watching, unless you find it entertaining.
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