If I ordered an old fashioned at a bar and it was made with scotch, that wouldn't be what I ordered, and I'd send it back. It kind of is a rule!
If you ordered an old fashioned at a bar without specifying which bourbon/whiskey you wanted in the drink, you'd end up with well alcohol no matter what kind, which would be awful regardless.
This is not my experience at all! At restaurants and bars here, it's pretty unusual to specify which whiskey you want in your old fashioned (or any cocktail ingredients), and kind of gauche unless you frame it as a special request — cocktails are priced and calculated based on standardized ingredients and amounts, and substitutions and alterations generate extra work for the bartender or server
I mean if it's on a menu then sure.
I dunno, maybe this is an American thing? If you order a standard cocktail off-menu you're probably getting well. Maybe at a nicer bar they'll give you something decent?
Specifying what alcohol you want in a drink shouldn't make it harder to price; the money's all in the alcohol, you just ring it up as, say, "Buffalo Trace mixed drink" in the computer or something. If you're a server, you ring up Buffalo Trace and type in "Old Fashioned".
Yep, Vee has it right.
It's pretty typical for bartenders* to respond to a classic cocktail order** by asking "what kind of whiskey/gin would you like?"
(* - In the cities I frequent, so San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland. ** - Old Fashioned, Manhattan, Martini, etc.)
If you say "whatever you usually use" then it depends on the bar. Most places will do one step up from well: Four Roses, Buffalo Trace, Ford's, etc.
It might be different if it's extremely busy or loud, and the bartender just wants to crank through as many drinks as possible, or if the cocktail is on the menu. I'm just talking in generalities.
As for what goes into an old fashioned, technically an old fashioned can be made with any kind of brown liquor (any whiskey, brandy, cognac, or rum) or gin. The definition of an old fashioned is liquor with a little bit of sugar, bitters, and water (ice is fine). Garnish is fine. Muddled fruit is controversial; a lot of bartenders will muddle cherry or orange in an old fashioned but that's a relatively modern contrivance and technically wrong.
As for whether it would be appropriate for a bartender to hand you, say, a cognac or scotch old fashioned if you ordered "old fashioned" without specification: I'm not sure that's a rule, exactly. Maybe it's a linguistic rule, rather than a bartending rule? I'd liken it to a cheeseburger or a pizza. If you order a cheeseburger at a diner without looking at the menu, you're going to get the most common configuration: beef patty, american or cheddar cheese, lettuce, tomato, maybe pickles. You're not going to get a veggie patty or a portabello mushroom slice or BBQ sauce. Similarly, a pizza is generally presumed to have tomato sauce and mozzarella unless otherwise specified. That doesn't mean that a cheeseburger with a veggie patty or a fried egg is wrong, or that a pizza stops being "pizza" if it uses pesto instead of red sauce. They're just not the default.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
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unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
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or
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Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
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Because ocean dwellers just don't understand
or
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Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
Check out Only Lands.
Because ocean dwellers just don't understand
or
Thanks for subscribing to my Only Lands
Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
Only Lands.
HAWT.
Wow, not even dual lands, or full card art. I can't jack it to this!
and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
but they're listening to every word I say
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Subnautica did a good job with that. I haven't quite finished it. I definitely should.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
Check out Only Lands.
Because ocean dwellers just don't understand
or
Thanks for subscribing to my Only Lands
Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
Only Lands.
HAWT.
Wow, not even dual lands, or full card art. I can't jack it to this!
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Subnautica did a good job with that. I haven't quite finished it. I definitely should.
unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
Check out Only Lands.
Because ocean dwellers just don't understand
or
Thanks for subscribing to my Only Lands
Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
Only Lands.
HAWT.
Wow, not even dual lands, or full card art. I can't jack it to this!
horny foil full art john avon lands want to meet you today
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
Check out Only Lands.
Because ocean dwellers just don't understand
or
Thanks for subscribing to my Only Lands
Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
Only Lands.
HAWT.
Wow, not even dual lands, or full card art. I can't jack it to this!
Sorry, is this more your kink, you perv?
this Volcanic Island erasure
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
Check out Only Lands.
Because ocean dwellers just don't understand
or
Thanks for subscribing to my Only Lands
Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
Only Lands.
HAWT.
Wow, not even dual lands, or full card art. I can't jack it to this!
Sorry, is this more your kink, you perv?
this Volcanic Island erasure
That's only if you subscribe to OnlyLands. You have to hold some of it back until they hit that button.
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Good to hear. I was waiting on it to be complete.
and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
but they're listening to every word I say
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oh man
Guy less than 20 miles away has a CB650R for sale
That dealer in Indiana gave me a firesale price of 7k, this guy posted in Cycletrader for 8k and has already dropped to 7800, and it's got a lot of extras that the Indiana bike didn't (about 1k in parts)
I'd have to post and get an offer on mine...
More miles though (7000 vs 1500), and I had already decided I'm chasing something new too soon
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whats the scientific term for being sexually aroused by landscape paintings
That dual land picture was taken when the post "What's your most expensive page of CCG in your binder?" was asked by one of my Facebook friends. I pretty much shut down discussion after showing that off.
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unrelated to the vaccine but on my drive home i passed a lot for sale on one of those handwritten real estate boards and it had a website: OnlyLands.com
i haven't had the courage to find out if it's real but i am having a sensible chuckle
When you're not looking for sea men
Check out Only Lands.
Because ocean dwellers just don't understand
or
Thanks for subscribing to my Only Lands
Here are some hot sexy pictures of the Gobi Desert
Only Lands.
HAWT.
Wow, not even dual lands, or full card art. I can't jack it to this!
Sorry, is this more your kink, you perv?
Check out this bad girl.
and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
but they're listening to every word I say
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i finally decided i had nothing better to buy from the Satisfactory AWESOME shop than the factory cart
i am not convinced it is any faster than running with bladerunners but it sure is entertaining trying to drive it and not fall over
John Avon sells giclees and posters of a lot of his art. We had large prints of the Unglued lands up on our living room for a while. They're classy-lookin'.
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Is the pop-in any better on that one? That's my one big issue with Subnautica, amazing landscapes that become a bit less cool because abstract geometry will remain until I get within a couple of meters sometimes.
I just got back into it and I'm having a blast. Allllmost got a Cyclops.
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Interesting, this time last year I looked into it and the reviews were not great. I will def check it out though, once I finish Outer Wilds and tire of Outriders.
Really looking forward to Below Zero. No idea how my time will be soon but I'd love to try and speedrun it. I did a bunch of it in EA before they overhauled it completely, so I have some idea of what's in there.
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Interesting, this time last year I looked into it and the reviews were not great. I will def check it out though, once I finish Outer Wilds and tire of Outriders.
There was a campaign to review bomb it because the main character is a woman in this one.
No, I'm not exaggerating. The people organizing the review bomb accused the developers of lying because there was a (really bad, ill-considered) poll that asked if players would prefer a 'female protagonist' or 'more focus on content' (paraphrased). The survey came off like you would expect, and the person responsible apologized, but misogynists latched onto that when the main character being a woman was revealed and accused the team of intentionally making a 'bad game' to appease feminists.
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Is the pop-in any better on that one? That's my one big issue with Subnautica, amazing landscapes that become a bit less cool because abstract geometry will remain until I get within a couple of meters sometimes.
I just got back into it and I'm having a blast. Allllmost got a Cyclops.
Not really. Pop in is a long standing complaint I have with Subnautica, and Below Zero suffers from it as well.
I still think it's one of the all time great games, though.
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Is the pop-in any better on that one? That's my one big issue with Subnautica, amazing landscapes that become a bit less cool because abstract geometry will remain until I get within a couple of meters sometimes.
I just got back into it and I'm having a blast. Allllmost got a Cyclops.
Getting the cyclops was such a pain in my game, there was 2 blueprint fragments i COULD NOT FIND. But once you HAVE the Cyclops? so much fun. Mobile Prawn bay and storage for days? Yes please. I had a mobile scanning lab that I kept in storage and would plop down in various places, looking for fragments and resources. Most Excellent.
Subnautica was the first game I played on my shiny new rig at the beginning of the Pandemic and holy crap that's one of my favorite game experiences to date. Exploration/Survival/Crafting free for alls don't do it for me AT ALL, but if you throw some narrative or mechanical framework on there (like Valheim also!) it turns out, that's my crack.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Interesting, this time last year I looked into it and the reviews were not great. I will def check it out though, once I finish Outer Wilds and tire of Outriders.
There was a campaign to review bomb it because the main character is a woman in this one.
No, I'm not exaggerating. The people organizing the review bomb accused the developers of lying because there was a (really bad, ill-considered) poll that asked if players would prefer a 'female protagonist' or 'more focus on content' (paraphrased). The survey came off like you would expect, and the person responsible apologized, but misogynists latched onto that when the main character being a woman was revealed and accused the team of intentionally making a 'bad game' to appease feminists.
That's super disappointing but also great to know that shit was manufactured. I never saw any stuff about a female protag but I have no problem believing the crap I was seeing was just a smoke screen for that kind of crap.
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Bands that try to appeal to teenage rebellion have a very short shelf-life, I think, before it comes across as ingenuine.
Yep, Vee has it right.
It's pretty typical for bartenders* to respond to a classic cocktail order** by asking "what kind of whiskey/gin would you like?"
(* - In the cities I frequent, so San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland. ** - Old Fashioned, Manhattan, Martini, etc.)
If you say "whatever you usually use" then it depends on the bar. Most places will do one step up from well: Four Roses, Buffalo Trace, Ford's, etc.
It might be different if it's extremely busy or loud, and the bartender just wants to crank through as many drinks as possible, or if the cocktail is on the menu. I'm just talking in generalities.
As for what goes into an old fashioned, technically an old fashioned can be made with any kind of brown liquor (any whiskey, brandy, cognac, or rum) or gin. The definition of an old fashioned is liquor with a little bit of sugar, bitters, and water (ice is fine). Garnish is fine. Muddled fruit is controversial; a lot of bartenders will muddle cherry or orange in an old fashioned but that's a relatively modern contrivance and technically wrong.
As for whether it would be appropriate for a bartender to hand you, say, a cognac or scotch old fashioned if you ordered "old fashioned" without specification: I'm not sure that's a rule, exactly. Maybe it's a linguistic rule, rather than a bartending rule? I'd liken it to a cheeseburger or a pizza. If you order a cheeseburger at a diner without looking at the menu, you're going to get the most common configuration: beef patty, american or cheddar cheese, lettuce, tomato, maybe pickles. You're not going to get a veggie patty or a portabello mushroom slice or BBQ sauce. Similarly, a pizza is generally presumed to have tomato sauce and mozzarella unless otherwise specified. That doesn't mean that a cheeseburger with a veggie patty or a fried egg is wrong, or that a pizza stops being "pizza" if it uses pesto instead of red sauce. They're just not the default.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Only Lands.
HAWT.
However, I have to drive about 40 miles because I couldn't find anybody booking appts any closer.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Those three, plus NewEgg, B&H Photo Video, Adorama Camera, and check the ratings on rtings.com.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Oops, All Lands!
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Moving to tx between shots and we’re gonna have to drive like 90 min each way
haha what the fuck
pcpartpicker works too
Wow, not even dual lands, or full card art. I can't jack it to this!
but they're listening to every word I say
Subnautica did a good job with that. I haven't quite finished it. I definitely should.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Definitely pick up the sequel Below Zero, then.
It is living up to its predecessor, and is just coming up on leaving Early Access (The game is essentially content complete, but you can't finish it yet).
Sorry, is this more your kink, you perv?
Subnautica did a good job with that. I haven't quite finished it. I definitely should.
horny foil full art john avon lands want to meet you today
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
this Volcanic Island erasure
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Good to hear. I was waiting on it to be complete.
but they're listening to every word I say
Guy less than 20 miles away has a CB650R for sale
That dealer in Indiana gave me a firesale price of 7k, this guy posted in Cycletrader for 8k and has already dropped to 7800, and it's got a lot of extras that the Indiana bike didn't (about 1k in parts)
I'd have to post and get an offer on mine...
More miles though (7000 vs 1500), and I had already decided I'm chasing something new too soon
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Check out this bad girl.
but they're listening to every word I say
i am not convinced it is any faster than running with bladerunners but it sure is entertaining trying to drive it and not fall over
John Avon sells giclees and posters of a lot of his art. We had large prints of the Unglued lands up on our living room for a while. They're classy-lookin'.
https://johnavonart.com/popular-sets/unstable-set
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Is the pop-in any better on that one? That's my one big issue with Subnautica, amazing landscapes that become a bit less cool because abstract geometry will remain until I get within a couple of meters sometimes.
I just got back into it and I'm having a blast. Allllmost got a Cyclops.
Interesting, this time last year I looked into it and the reviews were not great. I will def check it out though, once I finish Outer Wilds and tire of Outriders.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Let’s bring back Mac.
There was a campaign to review bomb it because the main character is a woman in this one.
No, I'm not exaggerating. The people organizing the review bomb accused the developers of lying because there was a (really bad, ill-considered) poll that asked if players would prefer a 'female protagonist' or 'more focus on content' (paraphrased). The survey came off like you would expect, and the person responsible apologized, but misogynists latched onto that when the main character being a woman was revealed and accused the team of intentionally making a 'bad game' to appease feminists.
so they just play their whole hand turn 1 right?
Not really. Pop in is a long standing complaint I have with Subnautica, and Below Zero suffers from it as well.
I still think it's one of the all time great games, though.
Getting the cyclops was such a pain in my game, there was 2 blueprint fragments i COULD NOT FIND. But once you HAVE the Cyclops? so much fun. Mobile Prawn bay and storage for days? Yes please. I had a mobile scanning lab that I kept in storage and would plop down in various places, looking for fragments and resources. Most Excellent.
That's super disappointing but also great to know that shit was manufactured. I never saw any stuff about a female protag but I have no problem believing the crap I was seeing was just a smoke screen for that kind of crap.
I'll definitely give it another look, thanks!