I just don’t get this desire to underspend. This obsessions with shaving off edges and scaling down. Is america the greates country on earth or a fucking pauper who has to count coins? Just fucking spend the nonsense tokens and make the world better and less people suffer. The argument for spending less is always just spend less for its own sake, out of responsibility. To what? There’s never a concern that we won’t spend enough, that time and people will be wasted while the planet dies with half measures and not enough. What’s the price tag of missing last chance opportunities on the environment, on the welfare of living citizens and their children?
I’m looking forward to having a balanced budget while the country and world crumbles and is irrevocably ruined for future generations
The fear is that if we spend money on people who aren't rich then eventually we are going to have to raise taxes to prevent a fiscal crisis. We'll probably have to do the same eventually after giving rich people all the money, but they'll have managed to make investment returns on it by then so meh.
I'm not even sure that's the actual fear anymore. I think the GOP has spent so much time now not governing that they're scared shitless of what's going to happen when its shown that in fact the government can improve things, and bills out of Congress can improve people's lives. The weak kneed, vague gestures at spending as some boogeyman are indeed starting to fall incredibly flat. Especially after it hasn't even been 5 years since the GOP engineered a massive transfer of wealth to the top percent of earners in this country.
The way to put pressure on Manchin is make it extremely clear if the Dems get more seats in 2022 he's going to be left out in the cold when they DO kill the filibuster without him
Democrats have no leverage over Manchin other than I guess just going out of their way to fuck West Virginia. Which they would never do and should never do. If any national Democrat campaigned against him for example, he would do better.
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Wouldn't that just make him work to make sure that Dems don't get more seats in 2022?
Basic gist is that most assumptions about it are pretty fucking wrong and that republicans are being absolute hypocritical lying assholes about it.
I mean, we've known for ages and that Reaganomics is fucking horseshit particularly since there isn't really anything preventing companies from opening factories in countries with cheaper labor and less standards.
I mean, we've known for ages and that Reaganomics is fucking horseshit particularly since there isn't really anything preventing companies from opening factories in countries with cheaper labor and less standards.
Instead of T-Bills and Treasury Bonds we need to shift public debt to a more appreciating resource, one that John Oliver highlighted on Last Week Tonight:
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I am so tired of West Virginia Democrats being the deciding factor of whether or not I get to have a country.
You won't have to after 2024. He is the sole Democrat from the West Virginia delegation to Congress and the sole Democrat holding any statewide office in West Virginia.
I'm not so confident about what the factor will have decided about whether or not we have a country afterwards.
I am so tired of West Virginia Democrats being the deciding factor of whether or not I get to have a country.
You won't have to after 2024. He is the sole Democrat from the West Virginia delegation to Congress and the sole Democrat holding any statewide office in West Virginia.
I'm not so confident about what the factor will have decided about whether or not we have a country afterwards.
At this point his only chance is to stop being an obstructionist asshole and do some good for the people of WV even against their short sited wishes.
After the year that shall not be named he is screwed as the level of anti-Democrat sentiment in the state has done nothing but increase. Every time I go to my childhood home in WV to visit my dad or MiL its worse than it was before.
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Trying to get rid of Manchin is a huge risk. The Dems can try to primary him, but if they succeed, they’ll be running against whatever meat sack the GOP puts up in freaking West Virginia. A state Trump won by nearly a 40 point margin.
I mean, it’s not impossible considering 2018 and 2020, but I seriously doubt the DNC will fund a primary against their 50th vote after finally retaking the Senate anyhow.
Manchin has a shit load of power, but he has to know he’s gonna lose that power if the Dems lose the Senate. In order for him to stay in the position he’s in, a new Voting Rights Act needs to pass. Filibuster reform is absolutely the key to that, and Manchin (and Sinema) is key to that. They have to know this and it’s possible they are posturing against the filibuster to get concessions.
At least, that’s what I hope the game is. Cause if 2022 rolls around and the GOP’s election fuckery doesn’t get countered, things are gonna start looking like 2010 again.
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What would the chances of primarying him even be given he is also relatively popular among WV Democrats?
Close enough to zero that I seriously doubt it would ever happen. I believe he’s up in 2024, which will probably be astruggle to keep his seat in such a red state. On the other hand, he’s the incumbent so who knows. There’s a lot of time between now and then to accurately predict. Running a primary won’t make him any less obstructionist though.
Probably best to focus on 2022. The Dems can hopefully pick up more Senate seats next year, thereby making Manchin irrelevant to the calculus. I say just offer him and Sinema some massive concessions in whatever reconciliation bill to secure filibuster reform and the Voting Rights Act, then worry about 2024 later.
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Trying to get rid of Manchin is a huge risk. The Dems can try to primary him, but if they succeed, they’ll be running against whatever meat sack the GOP puts up in freaking West Virginia. A state Trump won by nearly a 40 point margin.
I mean, it’s not impossible considering 2018 and 2020, but I seriously doubt the DNC will fund a primary against their 50th vote after finally retaking the Senate anyhow.
Manchin has a shit load of power, but he has to know he’s gonna lose that power if the Dems lose the Senate. In order for him to stay in the position he’s in, a new Voting Rights Act needs to pass. Filibuster reform is absolutely the key to that, and Manchin (and Sinema) is key to that. They have to know this and it’s possible they are posturing against the filibuster to get concessions.
At least, that’s what I hope the game is. Cause if 2022 rolls around and the GOP’s election fuckery doesn’t get countered, things are gonna start looking like 2010 again.
But if he votes for a new VRA or to kill the filibuster his constituency will vote him out.
Trying to get rid of Manchin is a huge risk. The Dems can try to primary him, but if they succeed, they’ll be running against whatever meat sack the GOP puts up in freaking West Virginia. A state Trump won by nearly a 40 point margin.
I mean, it’s not impossible considering 2018 and 2020, but I seriously doubt the DNC will fund a primary against their 50th vote after finally retaking the Senate anyhow.
Manchin has a shit load of power, but he has to know he’s gonna lose that power if the Dems lose the Senate. In order for him to stay in the position he’s in, a new Voting Rights Act needs to pass. Filibuster reform is absolutely the key to that, and Manchin (and Sinema) is key to that. They have to know this and it’s possible they are posturing against the filibuster to get concessions.
At least, that’s what I hope the game is. Cause if 2022 rolls around and the GOP’s election fuckery doesn’t get countered, things are gonna start looking like 2010 again.
But if he votes for a new VRA or to kill the filibuster his constituency will vote him out.
I doubt it.
There's zero evidence to suggest that his reluctance to remove or reform the filibuster is in any way linked to electoral calculus of any kind.
Trying to get rid of Manchin is a huge risk. The Dems can try to primary him, but if they succeed, they’ll be running against whatever meat sack the GOP puts up in freaking West Virginia. A state Trump won by nearly a 40 point margin.
I mean, it’s not impossible considering 2018 and 2020, but I seriously doubt the DNC will fund a primary against their 50th vote after finally retaking the Senate anyhow.
Manchin has a shit load of power, but he has to know he’s gonna lose that power if the Dems lose the Senate. In order for him to stay in the position he’s in, a new Voting Rights Act needs to pass. Filibuster reform is absolutely the key to that, and Manchin (and Sinema) is key to that. They have to know this and it’s possible they are posturing against the filibuster to get concessions.
At least, that’s what I hope the game is. Cause if 2022 rolls around and the GOP’s election fuckery doesn’t get countered, things are gonna start looking like 2010 again.
But if he votes for a new VRA or to kill the filibuster his constituency will vote him out.
If I remember right his victory margins keep shrinking. They might vote him out soon anyway.
Trying to get rid of Manchin is a huge risk. The Dems can try to primary him, but if they succeed, they’ll be running against whatever meat sack the GOP puts up in freaking West Virginia. A state Trump won by nearly a 40 point margin.
I mean, it’s not impossible considering 2018 and 2020, but I seriously doubt the DNC will fund a primary against their 50th vote after finally retaking the Senate anyhow.
Manchin has a shit load of power, but he has to know he’s gonna lose that power if the Dems lose the Senate. In order for him to stay in the position he’s in, a new Voting Rights Act needs to pass. Filibuster reform is absolutely the key to that, and Manchin (and Sinema) is key to that. They have to know this and it’s possible they are posturing against the filibuster to get concessions.
At least, that’s what I hope the game is. Cause if 2022 rolls around and the GOP’s election fuckery doesn’t get countered, things are gonna start looking like 2010 again.
But if he votes for a new VRA or to kill the filibuster his constituency will vote him out.
I doubt it.
There's zero evidence to suggest that his reluctance to remove or reform the filibuster is in any way linked to electoral calculus of any kind.
I think it's linked because he thinks it gets him bipartisan cred.
People have been predicting the demise of Joe Manchin for literally a decade at this point. I'll believe it when I see it, people hate change. Especially conservatives. I'm much more worried about the rest of the rust belt then WV.
People have been predicting the demise of Joe Manchin for literally a decade at this point. I'll believe it when I see it, people hate change. Especially conservatives. I'm much more worried about the rest of the rust belt then WV.
He already voted for the radical biden budget, he's done in WV like his margins and other shit have tanked him.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
People have been predicting the demise of Joe Manchin for literally a decade at this point. I'll believe it when I see it, people hate change. Especially conservatives. I'm much more worried about the rest of the rust belt then WV.
He already voted for the radical biden budget, he's done in WV like his margins and other shit have tanked him.
Eeeeeh. "Radical socialism" cries are background noise at this point, and I strongly suspect that nobody outside Congress cares about the tax cuts (and Congress cares because a)Is what their paymasters want and b)They kissed a lot of orange ass to get them). Meanwhile, Manchin manages his "own the libs" cred like a hawk, so he knows how to play the game enough to keep his seat.
People have been predicting the demise of Joe Manchin for literally a decade at this point. I'll believe it when I see it, people hate change. Especially conservatives. I'm much more worried about the rest of the rust belt then WV.
His margins have been getting slimmer every time. And not at a slow pace either. There's no reasonable reason right now to assume there's going to be a drastic reversal of that trend.
Manchin is the flip side to Collins. She is also literally the only Republican in Congress from all of New England. There is a chance that incumbency bias will let them hold onto the seat narrowly, but that's about all there is. Either next election or possibly until their retirement and then it's lost to the Party pretty much for good. Or at least until the next Party System reshuffles things again.
People have been predicting the demise of Joe Manchin for literally a decade at this point. I'll believe it when I see it, people hate change. Especially conservatives. I'm much more worried about the rest of the rust belt then WV.
A new VRA keeps Senate seats from being legislated away in places like Ohio (already Republican) and Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania (Plausibly Republican in the near future)
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I still remain pessimistic on anything happening to Gaetz. Hell he's fundraising on this "witchhunt" just like Trump taught them.
i think he's toast.
he's a zombie right now - dead and doesn't know it.
Gaetz is a 38 year old frat boy who is most famous for embarrasing sexual antics, DUIs, getting dunked on by anyone with half a brain and toadying up to trump. He brings nothing to the table that the republicans don't already have in fucking spades and I don't see his daddy being able to throw around enough dosh to make it go away.
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Manchin is the flip side to Collins. She is also literally the only Republican in Congress from all of New England. There is a chance that incumbency bias will let them hold onto the seat narrowly, but that's about all there is. Either next election or possibly until their retirement and then it's lost to the Party pretty much for good. Or at least until the next Party System reshuffles things again.
Well, no, because Collins, for all her vaunted centrism, always always always did what she was told
Whereas Manchin has told Schumer (and, IIRC, Reid) they can kiss his ass, he's going to do what he wants, publicly
Manchin is the flip side to Collins. She is also literally the only Republican in Congress from all of New England. There is a chance that incumbency bias will let them hold onto the seat narrowly, but that's about all there is. Either next election or possibly until their retirement and then it's lost to the Party pretty much for good. Or at least until the next Party System reshuffles things again.
Well, no, because Collins, for all her vaunted centrism, always always always did what she was told
Whereas Manchin has told Schumer (and, IIRC, Reid) they can kiss his ass, he's going to do what he wants, publicly
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I think it's possible, maybe even probable, that gaetz will face some legal repercussions
I do think he won't flip on anyone else, and that this won't become the first in a cascade of revelations as to the endemic criminality of the DC elite class, much like it didn't with Dennis Hastert
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If Gaetz hangs it's because he was too dumb to keep his mouth shut. Had he let someone whose daddy didn't buy him a law degree at the store do the talking, I'm guessing that attorney wouldn't have gone on national television to confirm he likes buying things for 17-year-old "women"
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I'm not even sure that's the actual fear anymore. I think the GOP has spent so much time now not governing that they're scared shitless of what's going to happen when its shown that in fact the government can improve things, and bills out of Congress can improve people's lives. The weak kneed, vague gestures at spending as some boogeyman are indeed starting to fall incredibly flat. Especially after it hasn't even been 5 years since the GOP engineered a massive transfer of wealth to the top percent of earners in this country.
Basic gist is that most assumptions about it are pretty fucking wrong and that republicans are being absolute hypocritical lying assholes about it.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
I mean, we've known for ages and that Reaganomics is fucking horseshit particularly since there isn't really anything preventing companies from opening factories in countries with cheaper labor and less standards.
Or Arkansas Dems not even running anyone
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You won't have to after 2024. He is the sole Democrat from the West Virginia delegation to Congress and the sole Democrat holding any statewide office in West Virginia.
I'm not so confident about what the factor will have decided about whether or not we have a country afterwards.
At this point his only chance is to stop being an obstructionist asshole and do some good for the people of WV even against their short sited wishes.
After the year that shall not be named he is screwed as the level of anti-Democrat sentiment in the state has done nothing but increase. Every time I go to my childhood home in WV to visit my dad or MiL its worse than it was before.
I mean, it’s not impossible considering 2018 and 2020, but I seriously doubt the DNC will fund a primary against their 50th vote after finally retaking the Senate anyhow.
Manchin has a shit load of power, but he has to know he’s gonna lose that power if the Dems lose the Senate. In order for him to stay in the position he’s in, a new Voting Rights Act needs to pass. Filibuster reform is absolutely the key to that, and Manchin (and Sinema) is key to that. They have to know this and it’s possible they are posturing against the filibuster to get concessions.
At least, that’s what I hope the game is. Cause if 2022 rolls around and the GOP’s election fuckery doesn’t get countered, things are gonna start looking like 2010 again.
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Not sure. He won the WV 2012 general 60-35, then the WV 2018 general was a lot closer at 49.6-46. So I'd read that as "probably not great".
Close enough to zero that I seriously doubt it would ever happen. I believe he’s up in 2024, which will probably be astruggle to keep his seat in such a red state. On the other hand, he’s the incumbent so who knows. There’s a lot of time between now and then to accurately predict. Running a primary won’t make him any less obstructionist though.
Probably best to focus on 2022. The Dems can hopefully pick up more Senate seats next year, thereby making Manchin irrelevant to the calculus. I say just offer him and Sinema some massive concessions in whatever reconciliation bill to secure filibuster reform and the Voting Rights Act, then worry about 2024 later.
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You mean thats not what he's doing now?
I still remain pessimistic on anything happening to Gaetz. Hell he's fundraising on this "witchhunt" just like Trump taught them.
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i think he's toast.
he's a zombie right now - dead and doesn't know it.
But if he votes for a new VRA or to kill the filibuster his constituency will vote him out.
I doubt it.
There's zero evidence to suggest that his reluctance to remove or reform the filibuster is in any way linked to electoral calculus of any kind.
If I remember right his victory margins keep shrinking. They might vote him out soon anyway.
I think it's linked because he thinks it gets him bipartisan cred.
He already voted for the radical biden budget, he's done in WV like his margins and other shit have tanked him.
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Eeeeeh. "Radical socialism" cries are background noise at this point, and I strongly suspect that nobody outside Congress cares about the tax cuts (and Congress cares because a)Is what their paymasters want and b)They kissed a lot of orange ass to get them). Meanwhile, Manchin manages his "own the libs" cred like a hawk, so he knows how to play the game enough to keep his seat.
His margins have been getting slimmer every time. And not at a slow pace either. There's no reasonable reason right now to assume there's going to be a drastic reversal of that trend.
A new VRA keeps Senate seats from being legislated away in places like Ohio (already Republican) and Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania (Plausibly Republican in the near future)
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That's because we just have allegations. If his buddy has turned state's evidence, there are receipts, and that will change the dynamics.
Well of payments....need some work to prove what the payments were for I guess
Gaetz is a 38 year old frat boy who is most famous for embarrasing sexual antics, DUIs, getting dunked on by anyone with half a brain and toadying up to trump. He brings nothing to the table that the republicans don't already have in fucking spades and I don't see his daddy being able to throw around enough dosh to make it go away.
Well, no, because Collins, for all her vaunted centrism, always always always did what she was told
Whereas Manchin has told Schumer (and, IIRC, Reid) they can kiss his ass, he's going to do what he wants, publicly
I remain unconvinced that this time for sure a republican will face consequences for their actions.
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I do think he won't flip on anyone else, and that this won't become the first in a cascade of revelations as to the endemic criminality of the DC elite class, much like it didn't with Dennis Hastert