the proud boys are apparently behind it, because of course.
luckily, upstanding citizens infiltrated their planning groups
here's a link about that, but watch out, since it has excerps from these planning groups, it contains a shitload of vile racism and many other awful examples of vile shits being vile
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No, because one of the reasons the Revolution happened is because British society was beginning to lose its taste for chattel slavery.
I wish I could find a source on this, but a little while back (maybe in the history thread here) I saw a letter from a British person who had come to the American colonies right before the revolution. And he was mystified, because all the locals would ask him about was the news story that George III had agreed in secret with the Pope to force everyone in the colonies to convert to Roman Catholicism. And he'd laughed at such obvious bullshit, but then got concerned because they were treating it as true.
[Tweet from the Daily Show: "We need to talk about plagiarism at Fox News" followed by video comparing recent Carlson quotes with excerpts from mass-shooter manifestos.]
No, because one of the reasons the Revolution happened is because British society was beginning to lose its taste for chattel slavery.
I wish I could find a source on this, but a little while back (maybe in the history thread here) I saw a letter from a British person who had come to the American colonies right before the revolution. And he was mystified, because all the locals would ask him about was the news story that George III had agreed in secret with the Pope to force everyone in the colonies to convert to Roman Catholicism. And he'd laughed at such obvious bullshit, but then got concerned because they were treating it as true.
I think from the conspiracy thread
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
the proud boys are apparently behind it, because of course.
luckily, upstanding citizens infiltrated their planning groups
here's a link about that, but watch out, since it has excerps from these planning groups, it contains a shitload of vile racism and many other awful examples of vile shits being vile
The other day I was listening to the Blank Check episode about Disney's Aladdin and learned that apparently it was originally supposed to feature Aladdin's mother singing a song about how she was proud of Aladdin but it got cut, and some (crazy) people took this to mean Disney didn't think boys should be proud of themselves, and the name of the Proud Boys is a reference/protest to that.
And it sounds BONKERS so I almost can't believe it but I feel like Blank Check are pretty reliable about movie facts.
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augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
And it sounds BONKERS so I almost can't believe it but I feel like Blank Check are pretty reliable about movie facts.
It's true, one of the Proud Boy founders went to see his daughter in her school's production of the Aladdin musical, which still has the song. He got hung up on it and here we are.
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No, because one of the reasons the Revolution happened is because British society was beginning to lose its taste for chattel slavery.
I wish I could find a source on this, but a little while back (maybe in the history thread here) I saw a letter from a British person who had come to the American colonies right before the revolution. And he was mystified, because all the locals would ask him about was the news story that George III had agreed in secret with the Pope to force everyone in the colonies to convert to Roman Catholicism. And he'd laughed at such obvious bullshit, but then got concerned because they were treating it as true.
I definitely get the impression that the long, long communication lag between the colonies and England is what led to the Revolution. Partly because the leaders in England misjudged how the colonists would react to pretty much everything, and partly because conspiracy theories about England could spread in the colonies far, far faster than any truth could arrive.
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They've been a symbol of thoughtless rich privilege for a long time, which has pissed a lot of people off for a long time. But also just recently Meghan Markle went on Oprah and now a bunch more people are newly pissed off about how racist they are, in addition to all the other racism that we already knew about because of history.
I think there's also an element of how over the past few years the curtain has really gotten pulled on all the English pretensions.
All that propaganda for decades about how the British are so much smarter and more cultured than everyone else, so polite and mannered and emotionally stable and generally better than everyone else, not racist at all and in fact their monarchy is better by a million times than any mere republic, etc etc etc. And it's obvious now that it was all lies. They're just as stupid as Americans and just as racist, and somehow even more transphobic. Tories are Republicans with posher accents. Hell, the entire "United Kingdom" bit is a lie - it's England and her colonial holdings of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. The whole stuck-up sham was caught with its dick in a dead pig's mouth. All the snobs who were sticking their noses up are now sobbing wrecks because how dare the Empire not force Spain to let them keep evading their taxes on the beaches. How dare they face consequences for their actions.
I wonder how much longer England will be able to hold onto the tattered shreds of the charade. Probably will keep it up out of habit until Elizabeth kicks the bucket. I'm starting to suspect that if/when Scotland gets independence, it'll be after she's gone.
I'm not super well versed in the goings on of our neighbors across the pond and their various duchies nor the situation or current whereabouts of the notorious "Humongous Benjamin" (thoughts and prayers I hope you can slay him and once more walk freely in the light of the sun) but Brexit was the real moment I went "oh ya'll got the stupid, too, huh?"
I've also read too many culture rags googooing over william and kate
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
The queen can't be racist, she has black subjects!
RICHARD MINEARDS: I have to stay straight away, I don't think the royal family is racist. You've got to remember that for nearly half a century, the queen has been the head of the Commonwealth, which is a number of lands around the world that were from the colonial days, and the majority of the people who live in those lands are Black or Asian. So, the queen is far from being a racist, and I don't think the royal family as a whole is racist, as William said this morning in London.
I am reminded of the fable of the mole and his mother: if you pride yourself on one thing, you may find yourself lacking in that and many other talents you should normally have.
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anyway as far as "why are people meaner about the royals now" i think it simply comes down to places like this forum just moving leftward over the last decade
sure it used to be that a predominant opinion of the royal family was "well it's a quaint little tradition" but time has made people a lot more wary of consolidated financial power, and it's no secret how britain obtained financial power
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
One of the more stupid twists of the Meghan Markle interview was how founding father worshipping conservatives in the US have had to twist themselves into defending the British royal family because any rich white person accused of racism must be defended at all costs. I mean, it's not that much of a twist because none of those people have any shame at all, but still.
It’s not really a twist at all, they have deified the founding fathers and most view the constitution as some sort of inerrant bible. One of those qanon representatives recently had a tweet of hers go viral which was basically “I will never allow the constitution to be changed! I support the second amendment”, and people had to point out the word amendment , and that if the constitution had never been changed she wouldn’t be in congress or allowed to vote
Frankly modern republicans transported back to the revolution with their same value structures and sensibilities would be Loyalists through and through.
No, because one of the reasons the Revolution happened is because British society was beginning to lose its taste for chattel slavery.
Considering their government still spent the better part of the following two centuries subjugating Africans in Africa and Indians in India, I am not inclined to believe the British commonwealth were collectively all that concerned about slavery in America in the 1770s.
anyway as far as "why are people meaner about the royals now" i think it simply comes down to places like this forum just moving leftward over the last decade
sure it used to be that a predominant opinion of the royal family was "well it's a quaint little tradition" but time has made people a lot more wary of consolidated financial power, and it's no secret how britain obtained financial power
People in general have also become a lot more jaded and stressed out
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
One of the more stupid twists of the Meghan Markle interview was how founding father worshipping conservatives in the US have had to twist themselves into defending the British royal family because any rich white person accused of racism must be defended at all costs. I mean, it's not that much of a twist because none of those people have any shame at all, but still.
It’s not really a twist at all, they have deified the founding fathers and most view the constitution as some sort of inerrant bible. One of those qanon representatives recently had a tweet of hers go viral which was basically “I will never allow the constitution to be changed! I support the second amendment”, and people had to point out the word amendment , and that if the constitution had never been changed she wouldn’t be in congress or allowed to vote
Frankly modern republicans transported back to the revolution with their same value structures and sensibilities would be Loyalists through and through.
No, because one of the reasons the Revolution happened is because British society was beginning to lose its taste for chattel slavery.
Considering their government still spent the better part of the following two centuries subjugating Africans in Africa and Indians in India, I am not inclined to believe the British commonwealth were collectively all that concerned about slavery in America in the 1770s.
also england still didn't abolish it until 1833 and still allowed it in territory owned by the east india company
One of the more stupid twists of the Meghan Markle interview was how founding father worshipping conservatives in the US have had to twist themselves into defending the British royal family because any rich white person accused of racism must be defended at all costs. I mean, it's not that much of a twist because none of those people have any shame at all, but still.
It’s not really a twist at all, they have deified the founding fathers and most view the constitution as some sort of inerrant bible. One of those qanon representatives recently had a tweet of hers go viral which was basically “I will never allow the constitution to be changed! I support the second amendment”, and people had to point out the word amendment , and that if the constitution had never been changed she wouldn’t be in congress or allowed to vote
Frankly modern republicans transported back to the revolution with their same value structures and sensibilities would be Loyalists through and through.
No, because one of the reasons the Revolution happened is because British society was beginning to lose its taste for chattel slavery.
Considering their government still spent the better part of the following two centuries subjugating Africans in Africa and Indians in India, I am not inclined to believe the British commonwealth were collectively all that concerned about slavery in America in the 1770s.
Ah, but that was after the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833, which made the purchase or ownership of slaves illegal within the British Empire illegal... oh, hold on here, what's this... "with the exception of the Territorities in the Possession of the East India Company, Sri Lanka, and Saint Helena."
iirc there was also something about how news about how horrible the east india company was treating the indian colony (famine of 1770), and as well as how the eic was in trouble and the americans were afraid that they were going to be exploited in order to prop up england and the eic
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One of the more stupid twists of the Meghan Markle interview was how founding father worshipping conservatives in the US have had to twist themselves into defending the British royal family because any rich white person accused of racism must be defended at all costs. I mean, it's not that much of a twist because none of those people have any shame at all, but still.
It’s not really a twist at all, they have deified the founding fathers and most view the constitution as some sort of inerrant bible. One of those qanon representatives recently had a tweet of hers go viral which was basically “I will never allow the constitution to be changed! I support the second amendment”, and people had to point out the word amendment , and that if the constitution had never been changed she wouldn’t be in congress or allowed to vote
Frankly modern republicans transported back to the revolution with their same value structures and sensibilities would be Loyalists through and through.
No, because one of the reasons the Revolution happened is because British society was beginning to lose its taste for chattel slavery.
Considering their government still spent the better part of the following two centuries subjugating Africans in Africa and Indians in India, I am not inclined to believe the British commonwealth were collectively all that concerned about slavery in America in the 1770s.
My high school history teacher had a real hate-on for the East India Trading Company, saying it was involved in every evil thing that happened during its existence
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
My high school history teacher had a real hate-on for the East India Trading Company, saying it was involved in every evil thing that happened during its existence
If you include both the British and the Dutch variants...it's not far from the truth for the majority of the 17th and early 18th centuries. By 1730 the Dutch EIC had more or less given up trying to compete and spent about 70 years doing fuck all, till it folded in 1799.
No matter where you go...there you are. ~ Buckaroo Banzai
anyway as far as "why are people meaner about the royals now" i think it simply comes down to places like this forum just moving leftward over the last decade
sure it used to be that a predominant opinion of the royal family was "well it's a quaint little tradition" but time has made people a lot more wary of consolidated financial power, and it's no secret how britain obtained financial power
People in general have also become a lot more jaded and stressed out
My slightly more positive spin on it is that we used to all know stuff was bullshit but we didn't talk about it, because that was considered polite, and now everyone's talking about everything and saying out loud that it's bullshit and that's freaking out the people who only got to keep cultural and financial dominance because of polite shared fiction. It's stressful and societally painful but I view it as being ultimately positive
anyway as far as "why are people meaner about the royals now" i think it simply comes down to places like this forum just moving leftward over the last decade
sure it used to be that a predominant opinion of the royal family was "well it's a quaint little tradition" but time has made people a lot more wary of consolidated financial power, and it's no secret how britain obtained financial power
People in general have also become a lot more jaded and stressed out
My slightly more positive spin on it is that we used to all know stuff was bullshit but we didn't talk about it, because that was considered polite, and now everyone's talking about everything and saying out loud that it's bullshit and that's freaking out the people who only got to keep cultural and financial dominance because of polite shared fiction. It's stressful and societally painful but I view it as being ultimately positive
If you are interested in dismantling polite shared fictions, might I recommend Exterminate All the Brutes?
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
anybody heard about this new show on hbomax called exterminate all brutes?
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White supremacists are planning a nationwide rallies under that motto for April 11
luckily, upstanding citizens infiltrated their planning groups
here's a link about that, but watch out, since it has excerps from these planning groups, it contains a shitload of vile racism and many other awful examples of vile shits being vile
https://www.rawstory.com/proud-boys-white-lives/
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I wish I could find a source on this, but a little while back (maybe in the history thread here) I saw a letter from a British person who had come to the American colonies right before the revolution. And he was mystified, because all the locals would ask him about was the news story that George III had agreed in secret with the Pope to force everyone in the colonies to convert to Roman Catholicism. And he'd laughed at such obvious bullshit, but then got concerned because they were treating it as true.
I think from the conspiracy thread
The other day I was listening to the Blank Check episode about Disney's Aladdin and learned that apparently it was originally supposed to feature Aladdin's mother singing a song about how she was proud of Aladdin but it got cut, and some (crazy) people took this to mean Disney didn't think boys should be proud of themselves, and the name of the Proud Boys is a reference/protest to that.
And it sounds BONKERS so I almost can't believe it but I feel like Blank Check are pretty reliable about movie facts.
It's true, one of the Proud Boy founders went to see his daughter in her school's production of the Aladdin musical, which still has the song. He got hung up on it and here we are.
I definitely get the impression that the long, long communication lag between the colonies and England is what led to the Revolution. Partly because the leaders in England misjudged how the colonists would react to pretty much everything, and partly because conspiracy theories about England could spread in the colonies far, far faster than any truth could arrive.
I think there's also an element of how over the past few years the curtain has really gotten pulled on all the English pretensions.
All that propaganda for decades about how the British are so much smarter and more cultured than everyone else, so polite and mannered and emotionally stable and generally better than everyone else, not racist at all and in fact their monarchy is better by a million times than any mere republic, etc etc etc. And it's obvious now that it was all lies. They're just as stupid as Americans and just as racist, and somehow even more transphobic. Tories are Republicans with posher accents. Hell, the entire "United Kingdom" bit is a lie - it's England and her colonial holdings of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. The whole stuck-up sham was caught with its dick in a dead pig's mouth. All the snobs who were sticking their noses up are now sobbing wrecks because how dare the Empire not force Spain to let them keep evading their taxes on the beaches. How dare they face consequences for their actions.
I wonder how much longer England will be able to hold onto the tattered shreds of the charade. Probably will keep it up out of habit until Elizabeth kicks the bucket. I'm starting to suspect that if/when Scotland gets independence, it'll be after she's gone.
That is not how that works.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
sure it used to be that a predominant opinion of the royal family was "well it's a quaint little tradition" but time has made people a lot more wary of consolidated financial power, and it's no secret how britain obtained financial power
Considering their government still spent the better part of the following two centuries subjugating Africans in Africa and Indians in India, I am not inclined to believe the British commonwealth were collectively all that concerned about slavery in America in the 1770s.
People in general have also become a lot more jaded and stressed out
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
also england still didn't abolish it until 1833 and still allowed it in territory owned by the east india company
so
yeah
Ah, but that was after the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833, which made the purchase or ownership of slaves illegal within the British Empire illegal... oh, hold on here, what's this... "with the exception of the Territorities in the Possession of the East India Company, Sri Lanka, and Saint Helena."
Hmm.
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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If you include both the British and the Dutch variants...it's not far from the truth for the majority of the 17th and early 18th centuries. By 1730 the Dutch EIC had more or less given up trying to compete and spent about 70 years doing fuck all, till it folded in 1799.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
My slightly more positive spin on it is that we used to all know stuff was bullshit but we didn't talk about it, because that was considered polite, and now everyone's talking about everything and saying out loud that it's bullshit and that's freaking out the people who only got to keep cultural and financial dominance because of polite shared fiction. It's stressful and societally painful but I view it as being ultimately positive
If you are interested in dismantling polite shared fictions, might I recommend Exterminate All the Brutes?
forums been pretty quiet on it
The title is pulled directly from it and the author of said book contributed research and an appearance to the first episode, yeah
Well that’s incorrect
They also work harder
*slaps forehead*
Of course! I always forget that part!
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