There is no way to simply counter secrets (and frankly, most of the ways they've made to 'counter' secrets have been cards that are too bad to put in your deck). The method is simply the same as it's always been: sequence your plays in an order where you feel that you've mitigated the worst case scenario for secrets.
Dunno, Eater of Secrets was pretty dece as a one of, especially during the days of Christmas Trees
The rest though yeah. Kinda not super great.
wait what, wasn't Eater was omega trash? I don't remember that ever seeing a second of play
the only playable secret tech cards were flare, bc cycling is good, and Kezan Mystic because stealing the secret is the sort of powerful payoff you need to justify running a narrow tech card that's useless in most matchups
Eater was a 4 mana 2/4 so it was a horrible draw in non-Secret matchups. That said, I did have it played against me on rare occasions when I played Secret Mage in Wild, because I guess some people just hated Mages that much.
There is no way to simply counter secrets (and frankly, most of the ways they've made to 'counter' secrets have been cards that are too bad to put in your deck). The method is simply the same as it's always been: sequence your plays in an order where you feel that you've mitigated the worst case scenario for secrets.
Dunno, Eater of Secrets was pretty dece as a one of, especially during the days of Christmas Trees
The rest though yeah. Kinda not super great.
wait what, wasn't Eater was omega trash? I don't remember that ever seeing a second of play
the only playable secret tech cards were flare, bc cycling is good, and Kezan Mystic because stealing the secret is the sort of powerful payoff you need to justify running a narrow tech card that's useless in most matchups
I said "dece as a one of" not that it was good. But there were times when you'd slam it against a full Christmas Tree and make them instaconcede.
Kezan Mystic was arguably the best one though yes.
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BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
trying rally priest after the nerfs and theres one major flaw with the deck, which is that it has a 0% winrate vs control warlock
So far it's taken me from about 1400 NA Wild Legend to about 900. It doesn't really bother to try to go infinite with Shudderwock, just to be super-annoying and create huge Jades and tons of golems. Also, Flurgl + Toxfin + stuff to bounce them is filthy when you can get the combo going.
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Based on what I’ve seen, which is obviously early, Mage does not seem that much worse, since they are still able to draw one million cards per turn.
I'm not surprised. Spell Mage still performed decently even when it didn't hit the early Lunacy. Incanter's Flow, Spring Water, Apexis Blast, and then the various greedy generators still gave the deck a fighting chance. I'm just curious if it will still be correct to run Lunacy or if it'll get replaced with something else.
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turns out in order to win games of hearthstone i just needed to disengage my brain
no thoughts, head empty, go face
### SMOrc
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Gryphon
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# 2x (1) Adorable Infestation
# 2x (1) Demon Companion
# 2x (1) Intrepid Initiate
# 2x (1) Tour Guide
# 2x (1) Tracking
# 2x (1) Wolpertinger
# 2x (1) Wound Prey
# 1x (2) Headhunter's Hatchet
# 2x (2) Imprisoned Felmaw
# 2x (2) Quick Shot
# 2x (2) Scavenger's Ingenuity
# 2x (4) Knife Vendor
# 2x (4) Piercing Shot
# 1x (4) Rinling's Rifle
# 2x (4) Scrap Shot
# 2x (5) Trampling Rhino
#
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The nerfed Watch Posts has probably helped Face Hunter out. I imagine you'd still want to trade/eliminate the Posts though? At least in the early game, lest the huge tempo loss over the next few turns take the game away from you.
Also aggro decks almost always benefit from the earliest days of an expansion/nerf meta as jank reenters the picture.
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BeastehTHAT WOULD NOTKILL DRACULARegistered Userregular
Kargal will refund full dust soon so don't dust him yet
They made the change because of the watch post nerfs
I think that might be the first time they've refunded a Legendary that was gimped by the nerf of cheaper cards?
Edit: I'm going to be making like 7k dust from this patch. Guess it might be time to craft Kazakus with the earnings.
Sort of, its been a case-by-case basis. Mechengineer Thermaplug didnt get a refund despite the leper gnomes getting nerfed, but when they removed Genn/Baku early, they hall of famed every even/odd specific cards.
This definitely seems more on the side of the latter situation, as that card is useless without the towers, unlike Mechengineer.
Ehhh, the Genn/Baku thing was literally removing the failed experiment of odd/even decks from Standard, so not HoFing everything would make no sense there. Technically Watch Posts and Kargal are still playable and have the same synergy they always did. Also in the Genn/Baku case it was the legendaries getting whacked primarily.
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### SMOrc
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Gryphon
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Was this an autocomplete deck? I got exactly this deck from autocomplete myself...
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FYI if anyone was a dumb dummy like me and dusted Kargath already you'll be refunded a further 1200 dust soon
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Brawl is a joke if you do Druid with: Patches, Embiggen and Mark of the Lotus.
Turn One of six 7/7's.
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By no means optimized, I am fooling around with this Hunter deck that allows me to summon endless Rhinos.
### Rhino wut u did lst smmr
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Gryphon
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# 2x (1) Arcane Shot
# 2x (1) Lock and Load
# 2x (1) Tracking
# 2x (1) Wolpertinger
# 2x (1) Wound Prey
# 2x (2) Headhunter's Hatchet
# 2x (2) Quick Shot
# 2x (2) Scavenger's Ingenuity
# 2x (2) Selective Breeder
# 2x (2) Tame Beast (Rank 1)
# 1x (3) Ace Hunter Kreen
# 2x (3) Deadly Shot
# 1x (3) Zixor, Apex Predator
# 2x (4) Dire Frenzy
# 2x (4) Warsong Wrangler
# 2x (5) Trampling Rhino
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Are you talking about the Hong Kong thing? Originally he had a 12 month ban and they were going to withhold his prizing, which was reduced to a 6 month ban and full prizing. He was signed by Reynad's organization in the first month of his ban and he's played in every GM season since.
I've altered my Warrior deck a little to survive the early onslaughts better and have a bit more draw. Rattlegore is your power tool versus Warlock and Ysera is great versus Paladin to get rid of all the librams.
### ConTROLol
# Class: Warrior
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Gryphon
#
# 2x (1) Athletic Studies
# 2x (1) Stage Dive
# 2x (1) Sword and Board
# 2x (3) Bladestorm
# 2x (3) Coerce
# 1x (3) Lord Barov
# 1x (4) Kargath Bladefist
# 1x (4) Outrider's Axe
# 2x (4) Rancor
# 2x (4) Sword Eater
# 1x (4) Whirling Combatant
# 2x (5) Brawl
# 1x (5) Ringmaster Whatley
# 2x (5) Scrap Golem
# 2x (5) Stonemaul Anchorman
# 1x (7) Overlord Saurfang
# 1x (9) Alexstrasza the Life-Binder
# 1x (9) Rattlegore
# 1x (9) Ysera the Dreamer
# 1x (10) C'Thun, the Shattered
#
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What do you guys think?
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rattlegore has some weird coding where the moment you put in your deck, control decks you face start adding silas darkmoon, and draw + play it the turn you play rattlegore
Have not seen a silas yet, but once they start, I can add one myself ofcourse.
Tickatus will always be a problem random wise, but so far I see them favoring wanting to wait untill I have added C'Thun to the deck to mill him, as this deck draws so fast they are afraid you already have all the pieces.
Wanna try my Mario Maker levels?
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I'm disappointed that I'm not seeing more Nozdormu matches in highlight compilations. Come on you cowards, he's a 8/8 for 7 that with no downside! But of course, a 7-mana "do nothing" is never going to see play.
Blizzard, you've created an amazing card that sees no play. Make it 7/8 with Taunt. Let's put some spice into the game!
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I'm disappointed that I'm not seeing more Nozdormu matches in highlight compilations. Come on you cowards, he's a 8/8 for 7 that with no downside! But of course, a 7-mana "do nothing" is never going to see play.
Blizzard, you've created an amazing card that sees no play. Make it 7/8 with Taunt. Let's put some spice into the game!
Make him an 8/8 for 6 but he's free if your opponent ever ropes
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It would really shake up the meta. A big Prisoners Dilemma.
I like the idea that he is free if the opponent ropes, though!
Wanna try my Mario Maker levels?
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JakarrdIn the belly ofOklahomaRegistered Userregular
I went mage: incanters flow, refreshing spring water, fireball. turn 4 you can get obscene 30 damage kills, Not nearly as bad as rogue like Koopah has (saw that one twice) or the druid embiggen. I played shaman draw 2 overload 2, lightning bloom, the giant that's cheaper with each overload point played. you can get potentially 0 giants on turn 1-2.
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Are you talking about the Hong Kong thing? Originally he had a 12 month ban and they were going to withhold his prizing, which was reduced to a 6 month ban and full prizing. He was signed by Reynad's organization in the first month of his ban and he's played in every GM season since.
Nozdormu always was and always will be dumb because many people play on devices where 15 second turns are essentially unplayable.
Also there are a lot of decks with interesting interactions that become literally unplayable in blitz time. If you like SMOrc decks and zoo everywhere, then that's about all you'd see in a world where everyone is playing Noz.
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wait what, wasn't Eater was omega trash? I don't remember that ever seeing a second of play
the only playable secret tech cards were flare, bc cycling is good, and Kezan Mystic because stealing the secret is the sort of powerful payoff you need to justify running a narrow tech card that's useless in most matchups
I said "dece as a one of" not that it was good. But there were times when you'd slam it against a full Christmas Tree and make them instaconcede.
Kezan Mystic was arguably the best one though yes.
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There’s a Wild Quest Toggwaggle Priest that uses Rally. It’s pretty funny when it works.
My Mrrggls That Mrrggurgle
1x (0) Lightning Bloom
1x (1) Animated Broomstick
2x (1) Armor Vendor
1x (1) Corrupt the Waters
2x (1) Toxfin
2x (2) Cagematch Custodian
2x (2) Devolve
2x (2) Dirty Rat
1x (2) Firemancer Flurgl
2x (2) Ice Fishing
2x (2) Jade Claws
2x (2) Novice Engineer
2x (2) Questing Explorer
1x (3) Bog Slosher
2x (3) Rummaging Kobold
1x (3) Spirit Echo
1x (3) Zola the Gorgon
1x (4) Kazakus, Golem Shaper
1x (5) Antique Healbot
1x (9) Shudderwock
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So far it's taken me from about 1400 NA Wild Legend to about 900. It doesn't really bother to try to go infinite with Shudderwock, just to be super-annoying and create huge Jades and tons of golems. Also, Flurgl + Toxfin + stuff to bounce them is filthy when you can get the combo going.
no thoughts, head empty, go face
### SMOrc
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Gryphon
#
# 2x (1) Adorable Infestation
# 2x (1) Demon Companion
# 2x (1) Intrepid Initiate
# 2x (1) Tour Guide
# 2x (1) Tracking
# 2x (1) Wolpertinger
# 2x (1) Wound Prey
# 1x (2) Headhunter's Hatchet
# 2x (2) Imprisoned Felmaw
# 2x (2) Quick Shot
# 2x (2) Scavenger's Ingenuity
# 2x (4) Knife Vendor
# 2x (4) Piercing Shot
# 1x (4) Rinling's Rifle
# 2x (4) Scrap Shot
# 2x (5) Trampling Rhino
#
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Also aggro decks almost always benefit from the earliest days of an expansion/nerf meta as jank reenters the picture.
They made the change because of the watch post nerfs
Edit: I'm going to be making like 7k dust from this patch. Guess it might be time to craft Kazakus with the earnings.
I might end up re-crafting some of these things eventually. Will have to see what survives after the dust settles.
Sort of, its been a case-by-case basis. Mechengineer Thermaplug didnt get a refund despite the leper gnomes getting nerfed, but when they removed Genn/Baku early, they hall of famed every even/odd specific cards.
This definitely seems more on the side of the latter situation, as that card is useless without the towers, unlike Mechengineer.
Was this an autocomplete deck? I got exactly this deck from autocomplete myself...
Turn One of six 7/7's.
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### SMOrc
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Gryphon
#
# 2x (1) Adorable Infestation
# 2x (1) Arcane Shot
# 2x (1) Demon Companion
# 2x (1) Intrepid Initiate
# 2x (1) Tracking
# 2x (1) Wolpertinger
# 2x (1) Wound Prey
# 2x (2) Imprisoned Felmaw
# 2x (2) Kolkar Pack Runner
# 2x (2) Quick Shot
# 1x (3) Mankrik
# 1x (4) Knife Vendor
# 2x (4) Piercing Shot
# 1x (4) Rinling's Rifle
# 2x (4) Warsong Wrangler
# 1x (5) Barak Kodobane
# 2x (5) Trampling Rhino
#
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I just went fireball encanters flow refreshing spring water and won on turn 4
It's still annoying as hell on turn 4 but it's not turn 3 crazy anymore. You just have to deal with everyone playing Warlock now.
### ConTROLol
# Class: Warrior
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Gryphon
#
# 2x (1) Athletic Studies
# 2x (1) Stage Dive
# 2x (1) Sword and Board
# 2x (3) Bladestorm
# 2x (3) Coerce
# 1x (3) Lord Barov
# 1x (4) Kargath Bladefist
# 1x (4) Outrider's Axe
# 2x (4) Rancor
# 2x (4) Sword Eater
# 1x (4) Whirling Combatant
# 2x (5) Brawl
# 1x (5) Ringmaster Whatley
# 2x (5) Scrap Golem
# 2x (5) Stonemaul Anchorman
# 1x (7) Overlord Saurfang
# 1x (9) Alexstrasza the Life-Binder
# 1x (9) Rattlegore
# 1x (9) Ysera the Dreamer
# 1x (10) C'Thun, the Shattered
#
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What do you guys think?
Shoot m to BITS (hold Y) [hard] C109-0000-014D-4E09
P-POWER Switch Palace 3838-0000-0122-9359
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Tickatus will always be a problem random wise, but so far I see them favoring wanting to wait untill I have added C'Thun to the deck to mill him, as this deck draws so fast they are afraid you already have all the pieces.
Shoot m to BITS (hold Y) [hard] C109-0000-014D-4E09
P-POWER Switch Palace 3838-0000-0122-9359
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I like to move it, move it FCE2-0000-00D7-9048
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Blizzard, you've created an amazing card that sees no play. Make it 7/8 with Taunt. Let's put some spice into the game!
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Make him an 8/8 for 6 but he's free if your opponent ever ropes
Shoot m to BITS (hold Y) [hard] C109-0000-014D-4E09
P-POWER Switch Palace 3838-0000-0122-9359
Raiding the Serpents Tomb 1A04-0000-0098-C11E
I like to move it, move it FCE2-0000-00D7-9048
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It would really shake up the meta. A big Prisoners Dilemma.
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I like the idea that he is free if the opponent ropes, though!
Shoot m to BITS (hold Y) [hard] C109-0000-014D-4E09
P-POWER Switch Palace 3838-0000-0122-9359
Raiding the Serpents Tomb 1A04-0000-0098-C11E
I like to move it, move it FCE2-0000-00D7-9048
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oh wow good on tempo for that move
Also there are a lot of decks with interesting interactions that become literally unplayable in blitz time. If you like SMOrc decks and zoo everywhere, then that's about all you'd see in a world where everyone is playing Noz.
e: okay piercing shot does NOT work the way you would expect it to work vs divine shields
just piercing shot a divine shield 1/1 and it did 5 to my face for lethal??