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[Star Trek] Keep On Trekkin' (Lower Decks stuff in SPOILERS)

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    My head cannon says the enterprise theme song was what it was because Bakula is a boomer and like all things, the white older boomer ruined everything. (He may in fact not be guilty at all, but... SOMEONE is...)

  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    Controversial opinion: Faith of Heart's lyrics are perfect for humanity's transition from apocalyptic dark age to a near-utopian future.

    Bring forth your slings and arrows.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Pailryder wrote: »
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    So I've been craving a new book to read, and people in this thread keep bringing up The Culture.

    I've read Consider Phlebas, and developed a dislike for the Culture, in the sense that I agree with that book's protagonist in his view that Culture citizens are just pets for the AIs. It turned me off from reading more books in the series, until now.

    So anyway, which one should I go to next?

    What that issue, I would say Player of Game, Use of Weapons, or Excession.

    i don't think player of games will change your mind, its basically another 'person was setup by the AIs'. If you can enjoy the world building and the ride along then sure, but i don't think that particular book will change an opinion. Use of Weapons maybe...

    I disagree. Player of Games is a munch better book in general. It's far better focused and fleshed out. I get that the protag in Phlebas was supposed to be an unlikable tosser and the armored aliens were supposed to be the bad guys but still. I didn't enjoy the main character's journey. For a first book it didn't do much to introduce The Culture other than to paint them as a nebous threat and inform us that it's a race of machines and their human pets. The culture chick Balveda was a far more interesting character than a literal shapeshifter with secret acid breath. The main set pieces (the jungle pyramid raid, the cruise ship raid, the island, and finally the game of damage before the planet is blown up) were diversion and didn't really have any effect on the overarching plot of capturing The Culture mind.

    On the other hand, Player of Games has a much more focused plot and takes great care to make the major set pieces (the various games Gurgeh plays) actually part of the overall plot of the story. The final set piece is the denouement of the book's entire storyline. The Culture actually gets fleshed out and you start to understand how the relationship between people and the minds work. PoG even managed to do a gross out scene and tie it directly into the main storyline. If you skip that chapter a lot of context is lost. On the other hand you could skip most of the pirate adventure in Phlebas and basically no context for the main story is lost.

    Player of Games is better in nearly every way to Phlebas. The latter does a better job of showing just how weird and wacky things can get, but that's not super the best for an introduction. But specific to wanting something that doesn't show humans as pawns/pets of AI's? That's gonna be a bit of an issue for Player of Games.

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    So I've been craving a new book to read, and people in this thread keep bringing up The Culture.

    I've read Consider Phlebas, and developed a dislike for the Culture, in the sense that I agree with that book's protagonist in his view that Culture citizens are just pets for the AIs. It turned me off from reading more books in the series, until now.

    So anyway, which one should I go to next?

    This is pretty much what I meant in my last post about it being a weird choice to have the introduction to the culture be from the perspective of a guy with strong philosophical objections to it. He's also not a citizen of the culture (and IIRC never was) so a lot of his beef with it comes from assumptions of how it actually works. There's a debate to be had there for sure but just be aware that Conider Phlebas does not give you enough information to really know one way or the other. The second book will give you some more rounded information, though may not change your conclusion.

    It's more complicated a question than it would first appear and figuring it out for yourself is a lot of the fun of the culture books (at least the ones I've read so far) IMO.

    If you read the books in order, you very much are led to go from opposing and finding fault in the Culture into slowly over time developing a love for it. Consider Phlebas and Use of Weapons are both from the point of view of people who fundamentally don't understand the Culture, one person who is actively fighting against it for poor reasons, one who is fighting for it but knows he could never exist inside it. Player of Games is about someone who is inside the Culture but does not appreciate it, and it's about his journey to understanding what it really is and what it really means to him and the people outside it. Excession is the first book where you're really starting to see things from the eyes of the Minds themselves and dig into their own psychology, and leads you to see all these people inside, outside, and on the periphery of the Culture who have found their own place in relation to it despite what natural conflicts they might have with the attitudes and ways of life of the Culture at large.

    One of the things that makes the Culture easy to love is that Banks is largely not trying to ram down your throat how great the Culture is, he's doing the exact opposite; he tries to raise all the problems you could have with the Culture and puts them front-and-center, and then razes those arguments to the ground largely by showing how terrible life is and people can be outside of it.

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Pailryder wrote: »
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    So I've been craving a new book to read, and people in this thread keep bringing up The Culture.

    I've read Consider Phlebas, and developed a dislike for the Culture, in the sense that I agree with that book's protagonist in his view that Culture citizens are just pets for the AIs. It turned me off from reading more books in the series, until now.

    So anyway, which one should I go to next?

    What that issue, I would say Player of Game, Use of Weapons, or Excession.

    i don't think player of games will change your mind, its basically another 'person was setup by the AIs'. If you can enjoy the world building and the ride along then sure, but i don't think that particular book will change an opinion. Use of Weapons maybe...

    I disagree. Player of Games is a munch better book in general. It's far better focused and fleshed out. I get that the protag in Phlebas was supposed to be an unlikable tosser and the armored aliens were supposed to be the bad guys but still. I didn't enjoy the main character's journey. For a first book it didn't do much to introduce The Culture other than to paint them as a nebous threat and inform us that it's a race of machines and their human pets. The culture chick Balveda was a far more interesting character than a literal shapeshifter with secret acid breath. The main set pieces (the jungle pyramid raid, the cruise ship raid, the island, and finally the game of damage before the planet is blown up) were diversion and didn't really have any effect on the overarching plot of capturing The Culture mind.

    On the other hand, Player of Games has a much more focused plot and takes great care to make the major set pieces (the various games Gurgeh plays) actually part of the overall plot of the story. The final set piece is the denouement of the book's entire storyline. The Culture actually gets fleshed out and you start to understand how the relationship between people and the minds work. PoG even managed to do a gross out scene and tie it directly into the main storyline. If you skip that chapter a lot of context is lost. On the other hand you could skip most of the pirate adventure in Phlebas and basically no context for the main story is lost.

    Player of Games is better in nearly every way to Phlebas. The latter does a better job of showing just how weird and wacky things can get, but that's not super the best for an introduction. But specific to wanting something that doesn't show humans as pawns/pets of AI's? That's gonna be a bit of an issue for Player of Games.

    Excession and Look to Windward are the best books for defining what the relationship between people and AIs are really like in the Culture, they're the two books that give you the most insight into what a Mind actually thinks and feels about the people it cares for.

  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Should we take this to the Culture thread? Or just accept the inevitable and formally have them merged ?

    shryke
  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Should we take this to the Culture thread? Or just accept the inevitable and formally have them merged ?

    We have a Culture thread?

    Do they also spend half their time talking about Star Trek?

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  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    edited April 15
    Richy wrote: »
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Should we take this to the Culture thread? Or just accept the inevitable and formally have them merged ?

    We have a Culture thread?

    Do they also spend half their time talking about Star Trek?

    We do, it mostly existed to stop me from posting essays about the Culture in the Star Trek thread and also so that we can just spend pages posting our favorite ship names.

    https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/222768/the-culture-fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism/p11

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    The thing I like the most about The Culture series is the ship names. I hope real spaceships start getting cool interesting names. In 300 years I want someone to be flying around in a ship named "Just Read The Instructions" or "Limiting Factor"

    Space X are already using the names. Isn't one of the recovery vessels they use called "Of Course I Still Love You"?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: Faith of Heart's lyrics are perfect for humanity's transition from apocalyptic dark age to a near-utopian future.

    Bring forth your slings and arrows.

    I've never had a problem with it. It doesn't really fit the traditional Star Trek theme style (although I believe that was the point) but it's solid on it's own and I think invokes the spirit they told the people making the opening the show was going for.

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  • MonwynMonwyn Apathy's a tragedy, and boredom is a crime. A little bit of everything, all of the time.Registered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    The thing I like the most about The Culture series is the ship names. I hope real spaceships start getting cool interesting names. In 300 years I want someone to be flying around in a ship named "Just Read The Instructions" or "Limiting Factor"

    "I Blame My Mother"
    "I Blame Your Mother"

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    That_Guy wrote: »
    The thing I like the most about The Culture series is the ship names. I hope real spaceships start getting cool interesting names. In 300 years I want someone to be flying around in a ship named "Just Read The Instructions" or "Limiting Factor"

    Space X are already using the names. Isn't one of the recovery vessels they use called "Of Course I Still Love You"?

    Yes, the other is Just Read The Instructions. They're building a third to operate out of Vandenberg (JRTI was there but they needed a second in Florida more urgently than construction time allowed) called A Shortfall of Gravitas.

    Casual
  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    a lot of people in this thread have no faith in the heart

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Whether it's thematically appropriate or not ENTs opening theme is just pretty cringe. It's aged horribly which you can often excuse except for the fact that early 90's power ballad rock was pretty dated even by 2001.

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  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    That_Guy wrote: »
    The thing I like the most about The Culture series is the ship names. I hope real spaceships start getting cool interesting names. In 300 years I want someone to be flying around in a ship named "Just Read The Instructions" or "Limiting Factor"

    Space X are already using the names. Isn't one of the recovery vessels they use called "Of Course I Still Love You"?

    Yes, the other is Just Read The Instructions. They're building a third to operate out of Vandenberg (JRTI was there but they needed a second in Florida more urgently than construction time allowed) called A Shortfall of Gravitas.

    Yeah but those are boats not spaceships. I just hope the clever naming trend continues. I don't want to wake up in 300 years (once my brain gets virtualized) to find all out spaceships are named something boring like Enterprise or Pegasis. I want to wake up on the USS Self Sealing Stem Bolts.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited April 15
    And FaceyMcFaceSpace - because I want a lot of them, regardless of how they're named.

    [edit] Even the starship "Legally Distinct From The Fcuking Pegasis".

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Borg Combat Vessel "Adapt This"
    Neutral Zone Picket Ship "A Giant Shrieking Tribble"
    Diplomatic Escort to Ferenginar "If You Have to Ask The Price, You Can't Afford It"
    Ambassador Class "Live Long and Prosper... Or Fuck Around and Find Out"
    Line Vessel "We Have an O'Brien and We Aren't Afraid To Send Him Over"
    Science Vessel "A Distinct Abundance of Antigravitas"

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Short Name, Full Name, inspire by the culture vessel Mistake Not

    Short: Mistake Not…
    Full: "Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath. "

    Combat Vessel,
    Short: "Prepare to fight"
    Full: "Prepare to fight new laws of physics every time you meet us in combat"

    Science Vessel
    Short: "A particular"
    Full: "A particular kind of black hole just opened up midship and is calling us by name, options?"

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  • BogartBogart Gonna Be A Man In Motion Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 16
    I've never liked the theme to Enterprise, but zeroing in on the reason is difficult. I think I don't like Faith of the Heart because it's done in the very specifically American idiom of a folksy country/soft rock song. I don't have any objections to that kind of music in general, but as the theme to a show about humanity coming together it seems misplaced, starting the show off on a somewhat parochial foot.

    Now, I haven't seen a lot of Enterprise, but I don't think the show has a folksy, big hair soft rock mood to it. The theme to Firefly was a folksy, country song, but that fit with the aesthetic perfectly. Enterprise has suffered some of the worst word of mouth reviews of any Star Trek show, but honestly that theme song puts me off from watching it at least as much. How, my brain asks, can a show with a theme that naff and misjudged be any good?

    Obviously YMMV and I don't want to say if you like the theme you are bad. I just dunno why this particular show thought that particular song was a good fit. I understand the lyrics are applicable (though all the repetition of 'faith' gives it a religious edge it doesn't need), but it seems to be at odds with everything else about the show.

    EDIT: also, as Casual says, it dates the show so badly.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    I've honestly learned to like it over the years, although that might just be some kind of music version of Stockholm syndrome. I do think especially in the last few years a wholesome, cheesy inspirational sentiment has been helpful to fortify myself mentally against the darkness.

    It's still not a patch on most of the real Trek themes, of course.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    It's also a bit WTF if you're a long term fan of the franchise. All the movies and all the other series have instrumental themes, having Enterprise use a pop-rock song just makes it weird and different for no good reason. It's not exactly 'not real Trek', but I've got an expectation of what I'm getting when I sit down to watch a Trek show, and a cover of a Rod Stewart song is very much not it. It means the whole thing sort of starts off on the wrong foot.

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  • BogartBogart Gonna Be A Man In Motion Registered User, Moderator mod
    When I finish with Voyager I may move on to Enterprise and get used to it.

    I should also say that I also don't much like Discovery and Picard's themes. I love the visuals over the titles, Discovery's especially, but the themes are so understated they're totally forgettable. With a gun to my head I could not hum a bar from either.

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    Like I said, Star Trek is at its worst when it tries to be Star Wars.. and the "prequels! PREQUELS!" thing was very much popularized by star wars..

    Picard is the first non-prequel live action series since enterprise, and even that is heavily influenced by the
    romulan sun going superliminal supernova, a plot point introduced practically by accident in a prequel movie

    Just progress the series, dammit. How's the federation supposed to turn into the culture in 10000 years when all they do is go back?

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    What makes the intro to Enterprise extra cringe is the complete lack of Soviet and other foreign nations contributions to space flight. I mean Sputnik, Gagarin and Tereshkova are important milestones in space exploration. I personally would put Tereshkova above Amelia Earhart who they did include. The Soyuz space station would also be an important step.

    It just made the Enterprise more of a Rah rah USA thing, which is the completely wrong.

    The Original series made a point of having a Russian on the bridge during the height of the cold war, but the producers of Enterprise couldn't even be bothered to put in the achievements that sparked the space race in the first place.

    Its the same kind of attitude that claims that Sally Ride was the first woman in space.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    The edit with the Enterprise musical motif is way better, even with the guitar riff

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    What makes the intro to Enterprise extra cringe is the complete lack of Soviet and other foreign nations contributions to space flight. I mean Sputnik, Gagarin and Tereshkova are important milestones in space exploration. I personally would put Tereshkova above Amelia Earhart who they did include. The Soyuz space station would also be an important step.

    It just made the Enterprise more of a Rah rah USA thing, which is the completely wrong.

    The Original series made a point of having a Russian on the bridge during the height of the cold war, but the producers of Enterprise couldn't even be bothered to put in the achievements that sparked the space race in the first place.

    Its the same kind of attitude that claims that Sally Ride was the first woman in space.

    Berman was more conservative politically than Roddenberry. I don't know why that man was involved with the series, he went against everything Roddenberry stood for - aside from the sexism.

  • HerrCronHerrCron It that wickedly supports taxation Registered User regular
    Fraucron has rewatched TNG and DS9 and now is beginning to watch Voyager.

    I am doubtful she'll stick with it, but just to be safe I'm going to be spending my evening on the computer in the other room, so I don't accidentally colour her experience negatively.
    I'm looking forward to her conclusions as someone who doesn't have a stupid amount of their brain filled with random nonsense about Star Trek where things like people's birthdays and names should be.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    Bogart wrote: »
    When I finish with Voyager I may move on to Enterprise and get used to it.

    I should also say that I also don't much like Discovery and Picard's themes. I love the visuals over the titles, Discovery's especially, but the themes are so understated they're totally forgettable. With a gun to my head I could not hum a bar from either.

    I could never figure out if Picard's theme is just kind of a wandering mess on its own, or if it became that way because it had to conform to such an anemic title sequence for the show. The reason you can't hum a bar of Picard's theme is because it never actually settles on a main melody,
    instead it just sort of flits around with fragments of melody that never actually resolve into something tangible. It's like the writer purposely tried to buck basic music theory and the easy tropes of writing big sweeping movie orchestrations. But in the end it doesn't work.

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  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    When I finish with Voyager I may move on to Enterprise and get used to it.

    I should also say that I also don't much like Discovery and Picard's themes. I love the visuals over the titles, Discovery's especially, but the themes are so understated they're totally forgettable. With a gun to my head I could not hum a bar from either.

    I could for Disco but only the bits that rip of the TNG theme.
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    What makes the intro to Enterprise extra cringe is the complete lack of Soviet and other foreign nations contributions to space flight. I mean Sputnik, Gagarin and Tereshkova are important milestones in space exploration. I personally would put Tereshkova above Amelia Earhart who they did include. The Soyuz space station would also be an important step.

    It just made the Enterprise more of a Rah rah USA thing, which is the completely wrong.

    The Original series made a point of having a Russian on the bridge during the height of the cold war, but the producers of Enterprise couldn't even be bothered to put in the achievements that sparked the space race in the first place.

    Its the same kind of attitude that claims that Sally Ride was the first woman in space.

    It felt pretty gross to even include a scene with a Texan bragging to a Brit about how the warp drive is an all American invention. It's like come on guys, you're kind of missing the point a bit here aren't you?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    What makes the intro to Enterprise extra cringe is the complete lack of Soviet and other foreign nations contributions to space flight. I mean Sputnik, Gagarin and Tereshkova are important milestones in space exploration. I personally would put Tereshkova above Amelia Earhart who they did include. The Soyuz space station would also be an important step.

    It just made the Enterprise more of a Rah rah USA thing, which is the completely wrong.

    The Original series made a point of having a Russian on the bridge during the height of the cold war, but the producers of Enterprise couldn't even be bothered to put in the achievements that sparked the space race in the first place.

    Its the same kind of attitude that claims that Sally Ride was the first woman in space.

    It felt pretty gross to even include a scene with a Texan bragging to a Brit about how the warp drive is an all American invention. It's like come on guys, you're kind of missing the point a bit here aren't you?

    Wait, did that actually happen?

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    What makes the intro to Enterprise extra cringe is the complete lack of Soviet and other foreign nations contributions to space flight. I mean Sputnik, Gagarin and Tereshkova are important milestones in space exploration. I personally would put Tereshkova above Amelia Earhart who they did include. The Soyuz space station would also be an important step.

    It just made the Enterprise more of a Rah rah USA thing, which is the completely wrong.

    The Original series made a point of having a Russian on the bridge during the height of the cold war, but the producers of Enterprise couldn't even be bothered to put in the achievements that sparked the space race in the first place.

    Its the same kind of attitude that claims that Sally Ride was the first woman in space.

    It felt pretty gross to even include a scene with a Texan bragging to a Brit about how the warp drive is an all American invention. It's like come on guys, you're kind of missing the point a bit here aren't you?

    Wait, did that actually happen?

    Yep. I could trawl around looking for a youtube clip but I remember a few of the lines. Something like "ain't no Europeans invented warp drive, no serbo croats or nuthin" and I was eye rolling hard by that point so it stuck with me.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I've honestly learned to like it over the years, although that might just be some kind of music version of Stockholm syndrome. I do think especially in the last few years a wholesome, cheesy inspirational sentiment has been helpful to fortify myself mentally against the darkness.

    It's still not a patch on most of the real Trek themes, of course.

    ya i'm with you, somehow over the years i've begun to like it

    :(

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    What makes the intro to Enterprise extra cringe is the complete lack of Soviet and other foreign nations contributions to space flight. I mean Sputnik, Gagarin and Tereshkova are important milestones in space exploration. I personally would put Tereshkova above Amelia Earhart who they did include. The Soyuz space station would also be an important step.

    It just made the Enterprise more of a Rah rah USA thing, which is the completely wrong.

    The Original series made a point of having a Russian on the bridge during the height of the cold war, but the producers of Enterprise couldn't even be bothered to put in the achievements that sparked the space race in the first place.

    Its the same kind of attitude that claims that Sally Ride was the first woman in space.

    It felt pretty gross to even include a scene with a Texan bragging to a Brit about how the warp drive is an all American invention. It's like come on guys, you're kind of missing the point a bit here aren't you?

    Wait, did that actually happen?

    Yep. I could trawl around looking for a youtube clip but I remember a few of the lines. Something like "ain't no Europeans invented warp drive, no serbo croats or nuthin" and I was eye rolling hard by that point so it stuck with me.

    I must have repressed this. Like most of that show.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    When I finish with Voyager I may move on to Enterprise and get used to it.

    I should also say that I also don't much like Discovery and Picard's themes. I love the visuals over the titles, Discovery's especially, but the themes are so understated they're totally forgettable. With a gun to my head I could not hum a bar from either.

    i have absolutely no fucking idea what picard's theme is at this point but disco's theme/opening is maybe my fav part of the show lol

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    shryke wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Casual wrote: »
    Kipling217 wrote: »
    What makes the intro to Enterprise extra cringe is the complete lack of Soviet and other foreign nations contributions to space flight. I mean Sputnik, Gagarin and Tereshkova are important milestones in space exploration. I personally would put Tereshkova above Amelia Earhart who they did include. The Soyuz space station would also be an important step.

    It just made the Enterprise more of a Rah rah USA thing, which is the completely wrong.

    The Original series made a point of having a Russian on the bridge during the height of the cold war, but the producers of Enterprise couldn't even be bothered to put in the achievements that sparked the space race in the first place.

    Its the same kind of attitude that claims that Sally Ride was the first woman in space.

    It felt pretty gross to even include a scene with a Texan bragging to a Brit about how the warp drive is an all American invention. It's like come on guys, you're kind of missing the point a bit here aren't you?

    Wait, did that actually happen?

    Yep. I could trawl around looking for a youtube clip but I remember a few of the lines. Something like "ain't no Europeans invented warp drive, no serbo croats or nuthin" and I was eye rolling hard by that point so it stuck with me.

    I must have repressed this. Like most of that show.

    In fairness, I would not expect most European nations to have such an abundance of missiles that, following the apocalypse, a person can just move into an armed, unprotected nuke silo and set up shop.

    Commander ZoomPailryderShadowenStrikorJandaruCasualAbsoluteZero
  • CroakerBCCroakerBC TorontoRegistered User regular
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    When I finish with Voyager I may move on to Enterprise and get used to it.

    I should also say that I also don't much like Discovery and Picard's themes. I love the visuals over the titles, Discovery's especially, but the themes are so understated they're totally forgettable. With a gun to my head I could not hum a bar from either.

    i have absolutely no fucking idea what picard's theme is at this point but disco's theme/opening is maybe my fav part of the show lol

    I love that Disco’s theme is it’s own thing, but incorporates notes of TOS and TNG. it’s both a good theme, and a statement.

    Commander ZoomKetarexisDark_Side
  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    "fullest potential" doesn't mean everyone needs to be a scientist, either.

    Maybe your fullest potential is living a 100 year long orgy, becoming a tree, live in and explore a non-culture society, surf on lava, play an instrument, become the best virtual gamer ever, or even all of those together.


    I should reread the culture books, it's been a few years..

    there was that guy whos goal was to have the most number of penises getting stimulated by different people at once

    I think he ended up at 47 and even with all his extra artifical hearts he was having some issues with it

    As I recall he ascended to a higher plane of existence

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited April 16
    "fullest potential" doesn't mean everyone needs to be a scientist, either.

    Maybe your fullest potential is living a 100 year long orgy, becoming a tree, live in and explore a non-culture society, surf on lava, play an instrument, become the best virtual gamer ever, or even all of those together.


    I should reread the culture books, it's been a few years..

    there was that guy whos goal was to have the most number of penises getting stimulated by different people at once

    I think he ended up at 47 and even with all his extra artifical hearts he was having some issues with it

    As I recall he ascended to a higher plane of existence

    Sorry thought I clicked on the Star Trek thread I'll be on my way.

    Edit: I don't mean to say "this is off topic" but "what the holy actual jesus is this image that will live in my brain like naked Hulk for all eternity?"

    Hevach on
    GiantGeek2020
  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    "fullest potential" doesn't mean everyone needs to be a scientist, either.

    Maybe your fullest potential is living a 100 year long orgy, becoming a tree, live in and explore a non-culture society, surf on lava, play an instrument, become the best virtual gamer ever, or even all of those together.


    I should reread the culture books, it's been a few years..

    there was that guy whos goal was to have the most number of penises getting stimulated by different people at once

    I think he ended up at 47 and even with all his extra artifical hearts he was having some issues with it

    As I recall he ascended to a higher plane of existence

    yeah i remember that episode

    i believe it was "a fistful of datas"

    CroakerBCShadowenoverride367JandaruDonnictonAbsoluteZeroMatev
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