A new Axanar video just dropped in my youtube recommendations, I thought that was dead and gone?
It looks a lot more amateurish than what they were making years ago. Strong porn acting vibes.
That's not necessarily a negative. The TNG porn movie is leagues better than any of the actual TNG movies.
Yes but if you watch the stuff from six years ago there were clearly professional actors involved, some from ENT even, this has much more of a "community theatre with a better set budget" feel to it.
I just watched it now.
Wow... to call this acting wooden is an understatement. The Shigir Idol is more lively than this.
Really makes you re-evaluate Scott Bakula doesn't it?
People who think the Cardassians (pre-Dominion) could just waltz in and wipe out the Maquis by force also overestimate the strength of the Cardassians. Which is easy to do because they were hidden behind wall after wall of secrecy - interstellar politics secrecy, demilitarized zone secrecy, central command secrecy, military secrecy, obsidian order secrecy, etc., - so we just see a vague threatening powerful block. When in reality they were dealing with social turmoil and protests so intense that their government literally collapsed from internal pressures alone over the run of DS9. (Again, like they're a metaphor for something in the real world.) We tend to gloss over that fact because the Cardassian Civilian Government lasted all of five minutes before the Klingons swooped in and set it ablaze and then Dukat sold off the pieces to the Dominion, but it's a major thing that happened. And getting back to the point, even without the Federation treaty holding them back, the Cardassians were in no shape to commit a massive military force to the Maquis when they had such major issues to deal with at home.
I disagree, they are small colonies on tiny worlds
The Cardassians lost quickly to the Klingons because of a massive gap in technology and the klingons being a much larger empire. The Cardassians are Saddam Hussein's Iraq. They aren't at parity with any of the major powers, but they are a REGIONAL power
ONE of their keldon class warships could have obliterated the colonies, the Maquis only had small federation fighters, fit for attacking Cardassian patrol craft or luring larger ships into traps in the badlands, not capable of a stand up fight against an actual military vessel
The Federation is at parity with the Klingons militarily, the issue is that unless its an existential threat, the Federation won't actually commit to a war. They send task forces to deal with the Cardassians, they don't call in all of their vessels and send 2000 starships, which they'd have to do to win like the Klingons did, because the Federation doesn't have a dedicated war fleet
The Federation going to for-real war disrupts the lives of millions (billions?) of people across the Federation in some way, and every ship has to pause its exploration, scientific, or diplomatic missions. From TNG and TOS we know that these missions aren't all just for-fun, a lot of them have real stakes with lives attached to them
The Klingons going to war is something their fleet is sitting around waiting to do at basically all times
The Maquis didn't have to win an all-out war. They just had to bleed Cardassia dry.
While it's true that if Cardassia brought their full might to bear they could've held onto the worlds along the DMZ, even if they had the leeway to militarize that region of space, they would've had to expend so many resources that it would not have been worth it. Logical consistency aside, canonically Cardassia shared borders with or were near enough to be threatened by, at minimum: the Federation, the Klingons, and the Romulans. They also had Bajor and, likely, a number of other independent/rebellious systems to contend with.
The idea that you can just blow everything up and win should have been weaned out of us as a species by the last 50 years, if not the last 3,000 years, of history.
But they can just blow up everything and win, they have space ships with anti-matter weapons
You have to care about either the human cost, or care about retaliation to not be able to just "blow everything up"
As a demonstrative I will point out that the fictional people we're talking about in the fictional universe were, in fact, blown up from space. A handful of them ended up surviving in an uncharted underground base for a while in deplorable conditions, but all of their families were mostly eradicated because Eddington sold them on the idea that they COULD win something that was ultimately unwinnable (it was a political war, as soon as it became a total war, they lost literally that day)
I think you're vastly overestimating the scale of the human colonial presence in relation to the Cardassian Empire, this isn't Vietnam vs America, this is the Maldives vs The Entire Earth
There are costs besides human costs. There is resources costs. To blow everything up, you have to not only have the resources to blow everything up (which I think we all agree the Cardassians had) but also be able to spare them (i.e. not need them to do something else more urgent and important than blow everything up) and to expect the benefit from everything being blown up to outweigh the cost of blowing up everything.
We don't know the cost/benefit of pacifying the DMZ by blowing it all up, so we don't know if it would have been worth it for the Cardassians. But for in-universe reference, we do know it never was worth it to them to just blow Bajor up to hell and be done with the Resistance that way, and that was just one planet and not multiple worlds across a large span of space, so I'd lean on the "no".
We do know however that they did not have the resources to spare to do it because, as I pointed out earlier, they were facing internal turmoil so severe their government was on the verge of total collapse (again, as someone else pointed out). Central Command needed its resources close by to insure its survival, not out passifying a region of space so secondary to them they gave it up in negotiations a few years prior.
The Maquis realized that the Cardassians couldn't just blow them all up from orbit and win that way, because of political fallout as well as lack of resources, so they could fight and win. The war was winnable (and in fact they were winning it) so long as those rules didn't change. The Maquis only lost when the Dominion took over Cardassia and changed the rules. Which is not something you can really blame Eddington for not foreseeing.
But there are several times in DS9 it looks like they're going to do exactly that
"... and then, of course, you will send your own ships, and someone will make the smallest mistake and we'll have a war" - Gul Dukat
The only reason the colonies weren't subjugated was because of fear of Federation reprisal (hence the De Militarized Zone), that's why the Cardassians were fighting a proxy war using their "Civilian" colonists. There is nothing textual in the series to indicate it was from a lack of resources. After all they were in a much worse position when they subjugated Bajor, which had hundreds (thousands?) of times as many people as the DMZ colonies
Did you see the episode where the Cardassians built a war fleet in secret to go attack the Dominion leadership? Just because they couldn't beat up the Klingons doesn't mean they were helpless
*obviously this becomes true later in DS9 when their government falls apart, but before the Dominion shows up
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A new Axanar video just dropped in my youtube recommendations, I thought that was dead and gone?
It looks a lot more amateurish than what they were making years ago. Strong porn acting vibes.
They continue on for some reason. I had signed up with them after I watched the initial Axanar thing with greats like J. G. Hertzler and Kate Vernon, so I was signed up on their mailing list. I used to get constant emails until I shut them down, long, long after the court case told them to fuck off. The guy running it seems to be pretty obsessed.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
It's a bit sad to see how far it's fallen. They've gone from the gold standard of Star Trek fan productions to... well... a pretty typical Star Trek fan production.
A new Axanar video just dropped in my youtube recommendations, I thought that was dead and gone?
It looks a lot more amateurish than what they were making years ago. Strong porn acting vibes.
They continue on for some reason. I had signed up with them after I watched the initial Axanar thing with greats like J. G. Hertzler and Kate Vernon, so I was signed up on their mailing list. I used to get constant emails until I shut them down, long, long after the court case told them to fuck off. The guy running it seems to be pretty obsessed.
The REALLY truly frustrating thing is based off the prelude to Axanar video, they truly got Trek as the world was defined then better than Disco. They certainly got Klingons, and properly scaled stakes.... and how to tease things we knew from TOS without just using it as blatant showpieces. God just thinking about it makes me so frustrated with the Axanar people.
It's a bit sad to see how far it's fallen. They've gone from the gold standard of Star Trek fan productions to... well... a pretty typical Star Trek fan production.
ughhh
yeah that is sad
prelude at axanar was pretty great, it's a shame they fucked up and sold merch and got shut down early on
A new Axanar video just dropped in my youtube recommendations, I thought that was dead and gone?
It looks a lot more amateurish than what they were making years ago. Strong porn acting vibes.
They continue on for some reason. I had signed up with them after I watched the initial Axanar thing with greats like J. G. Hertzler and Kate Vernon, so I was signed up on their mailing list. I used to get constant emails until I shut them down, long, long after the court case told them to fuck off. The guy running it seems to be pretty obsessed.
The REALLY truly frustrating thing is based off the prelude to Axanar video, they truly got Trek as the world was defined then better than Disco. They certainly got Klingons, and properly scaled stakes.... and how to tease things we knew from TOS without just using it as blatant showpieces. God just thinking about it makes me so frustrated with the Axanar people.
Yeah Prelude recognized all the things I was saying about how you should do Space Combat in Trek. It wasn't like, nearly as high production value as Disco, but Disco's space battles are the same as those in Guardians of the Galaxy - lots of ships firing pew pew pew pew squirty blasters at each other
Prelude to Axanar had them as large, relatively slow turning objects firing devastating weapons at one another, I was genuinely wanting to see more
People who think the Cardassians (pre-Dominion) could just waltz in and wipe out the Maquis by force also overestimate the strength of the Cardassians. Which is easy to do because they were hidden behind wall after wall of secrecy - interstellar politics secrecy, demilitarized zone secrecy, central command secrecy, military secrecy, obsidian order secrecy, etc., - so we just see a vague threatening powerful block. When in reality they were dealing with social turmoil and protests so intense that their government literally collapsed from internal pressures alone over the run of DS9. (Again, like they're a metaphor for something in the real world.) We tend to gloss over that fact because the Cardassian Civilian Government lasted all of five minutes before the Klingons swooped in and set it ablaze and then Dukat sold off the pieces to the Dominion, but it's a major thing that happened. And getting back to the point, even without the Federation treaty holding them back, the Cardassians were in no shape to commit a massive military force to the Maquis when they had such major issues to deal with at home.
I disagree, they are small colonies on tiny worlds
The Cardassians lost quickly to the Klingons because of a massive gap in technology and the klingons being a much larger empire. The Cardassians are Saddam Hussein's Iraq. They aren't at parity with any of the major powers, but they are a REGIONAL power
ONE of their keldon class warships could have obliterated the colonies, the Maquis only had small federation fighters, fit for attacking Cardassian patrol craft or luring larger ships into traps in the badlands, not capable of a stand up fight against an actual military vessel
The Federation is at parity with the Klingons militarily, the issue is that unless its an existential threat, the Federation won't actually commit to a war. They send task forces to deal with the Cardassians, they don't call in all of their vessels and send 2000 starships, which they'd have to do to win like the Klingons did, because the Federation doesn't have a dedicated war fleet
The Federation going to for-real war disrupts the lives of millions (billions?) of people across the Federation in some way, and every ship has to pause its exploration, scientific, or diplomatic missions. From TNG and TOS we know that these missions aren't all just for-fun, a lot of them have real stakes with lives attached to them
The Klingons going to war is something their fleet is sitting around waiting to do at basically all times
The Maquis didn't have to win an all-out war. They just had to bleed Cardassia dry.
While it's true that if Cardassia brought their full might to bear they could've held onto the worlds along the DMZ, even if they had the leeway to militarize that region of space, they would've had to expend so many resources that it would not have been worth it. Logical consistency aside, canonically Cardassia shared borders with or were near enough to be threatened by, at minimum: the Federation, the Klingons, and the Romulans. They also had Bajor and, likely, a number of other independent/rebellious systems to contend with.
The idea that you can just blow everything up and win should have been weaned out of us as a species by the last 50 years, if not the last 3,000 years, of history.
But they can just blow up everything and win, they have space ships with anti-matter weapons
You have to care about either the human cost, or care about retaliation to not be able to just "blow everything up"
As a demonstrative I will point out that the fictional people we're talking about in the fictional universe were, in fact, blown up from space. A handful of them ended up surviving in an uncharted underground base for a while in deplorable conditions, but all of their families were mostly eradicated because Eddington sold them on the idea that they COULD win something that was ultimately unwinnable (it was a political war, as soon as it became a total war, they lost literally that day)
I think you're vastly overestimating the scale of the human colonial presence in relation to the Cardassian Empire, this isn't Vietnam vs America, this is the Maldives vs The Entire Earth
There are costs besides human costs. There is resources costs. To blow everything up, you have to not only have the resources to blow everything up (which I think we all agree the Cardassians had) but also be able to spare them (i.e. not need them to do something else more urgent and important than blow everything up) and to expect the benefit from everything being blown up to outweigh the cost of blowing up everything.
We don't know the cost/benefit of pacifying the DMZ by blowing it all up, so we don't know if it would have been worth it for the Cardassians. But for in-universe reference, we do know it never was worth it to them to just blow Bajor up to hell and be done with the Resistance that way, and that was just one planet and not multiple worlds across a large span of space, so I'd lean on the "no".
We do know however that they did not have the resources to spare to do it because, as I pointed out earlier, they were facing internal turmoil so severe their government was on the verge of total collapse (again, as someone else pointed out). Central Command needed its resources close by to insure its survival, not out passifying a region of space so secondary to them they gave it up in negotiations a few years prior.
The Maquis realized that the Cardassians couldn't just blow them all up from orbit and win that way, because of political fallout as well as lack of resources, so they could fight and win. The war was winnable (and in fact they were winning it) so long as those rules didn't change. The Maquis only lost when the Dominion took over Cardassia and changed the rules. Which is not something you can really blame Eddington for not foreseeing.
But there are several times in DS9 it looks like they're going to do exactly that
"... and then, of course, you will send your own ships, and someone will make the smallest mistake and we'll have a war" - Gul Dukat
The only reason the colonies weren't subjugated was because of fear of Federation reprisal (hence the De Militarized Zone), that's why the Cardassians were fighting a proxy war using their "Civilian" colonists. There is nothing textual in the series to indicate it was from a lack of resources. After all they were in a much worse position when they subjugated Bajor, which had hundreds (thousands?) of times as many people as the DMZ colonies
Did you see the episode where the Cardassians built a war fleet in secret to go attack the Dominion leadership? Just because they couldn't beat up the Klingons doesn't mean they were helpless
*obviously this becomes true later in DS9 when their government falls apart, but before the Dominion shows up
Posturing and committing are two different things. Also, an all-out war against a powerful traditional enemy and the bombing of second-rate colonies are two different things. A war with the Federation would have given Central Command a real enemy to blame Cardassia's problems on and focus public resentment against, and would have allowed them to strengthen their position and silence their opponents by banging the nationalist drum. That would be a worthwhile use of their resources. Bombing the colonies of the DMZ doesn't accomplish any of this.
Also, "the Cardassians" didn't build a fleet to attack the Dominions. You're making the mistake I mentioned earlier, of seeing the Cardassians as a single unified powerful block, and ignoring the massive internal strife tearing them apart. The Obsidian Order, in direct opposition to Central Command and with help from the Romulans (and the Founders), built a fleet to attack the Dominion. This is not a show of Cardassian power. If anything, it's a show of Cardassian weakness and disunity, that a faction within their society can make a deal with a foreign government and build a warfleet right under Central Command's nose without them even noticing.
A new Axanar video just dropped in my youtube recommendations, I thought that was dead and gone?
It looks a lot more amateurish than what they were making years ago. Strong porn acting vibes.
They continue on for some reason. I had signed up with them after I watched the initial Axanar thing with greats like J. G. Hertzler and Kate Vernon, so I was signed up on their mailing list. I used to get constant emails until I shut them down, long, long after the court case told them to fuck off. The guy running it seems to be pretty obsessed.
The REALLY truly frustrating thing is based off the prelude to Axanar video, they truly got Trek as the world was defined then better than Disco. They certainly got Klingons, and properly scaled stakes.... and how to tease things we knew from TOS without just using it as blatant showpieces. God just thinking about it makes me so frustrated with the Axanar people.
Yeah Prelude recognized all the things I was saying about how you should do Space Combat in Trek. It wasn't like, nearly as high production value as Disco, but Disco's space battles are the same as those in Guardians of the Galaxy - lots of ships firing pew pew pew pew squirty blasters at each other
Prelude to Axanar had them as large, relatively slow turning objects firing devastating weapons at one another, I was genuinely wanting to see more
Worse, to me, is that the battles were just the setting. It was the characters that really made it come alive. Having that many Trek icons in new roles helped a lot there. I had really hoped that CBS would just say "Look, you guys made Axanar, here is a token salary, we're taking this now and making it our new series/movie".
There's probably legal/copyright reasons they didn't do that. Or just not wanting to set a precedent that could cause them more problems than it was worth.
I wonder if most actors and/or their agents who are in-the-know know about Axanar's legal problems, and now don't want to touch the name with a 10 foot pole. Or at least don't want that kind of quagmire on their resume.
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I think the guy in charge going full crazy also would drive the talent away.
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Point of order. Nothing in Axanar violates COPYRIGHT law persay. The problem Axanar faces is one of TRADEMARK infringement. Axanar by definition is a transformative work and easily falls within copyright fair use. Where Axanar really fucked the pumpkin was in using Paramount's registered trademarks for their own commercial use. Use of the Starfleet Chevron is one such example of a trademark infringement. There is no affirmative defence to selling merchandise using this trademarked symbol. Unlike Copyrights, trademarks need to be vigorously defended in courts to stay valid. Should Paramount fail to vigorously defend their trademarks they would lose trademark protection and end up in the popular lexicon like Dumpster or Q-Tip. Axanar has no valid affirmative defence to their trademark infringement either. They have neither used a nominative or descriptive fair use and Axanar is definitely not a parody.
I recently came across a clip from the episode The Ensigns of Command. This is the episode where the Sheliak are about to colonize a planet in their space and discover a human settlement there, descendants of the lost ship the SS Artemis.
In this episode, Data has to convince the people on the planet to leave, or they will be killed (likely from orbit) by the Sheliak. Eventually, things come to a head, and Data realizes that he can't convince them to leave via negotiation. So he destroys their aqueduct as a show of force to get them to realize that staying means dying. https://youtu.be/AvZe12pO9N4
What I found interesting was the contrast of this episode to the Maquis. Here, Data has no problem with essentially forcing the colonists to leave by destroying something they need to survive on the planet. While they likely would've been just fine over the short term, it's pretty easy to make the case that living there would've been harder, and if they somehow found themselves fighting on the ground against the Sheliak then he just destroyed something of theirs of great strategic value. It's also worth noting that while they were Federation citizens (Picard explicitly says so in the episode, so I'm assuming "natural-born" rights here from parentage), Federation officers aren't necessarily in the business of running around and destroying people's property.
At the end of the day, one wonders if Picard would've been willing to force the issue and just round up all the people, willingly or not. I'm guessing that unlike Sisko, he would've just taken all the people who wanted to leave and left the rest to fend for themselves, so long as leaving them there didn't precipitate a war or something along those lines.
I think the episode makes it pretty clear that that Picard will fight is the Sheliak attack the colony but really prefers that Data convinces them to leave
Point of order. Nothing in Axanar violates COPYRIGHT law persay. The problem Axanar faces is one of TRADEMARK infringement. Axanar by definition is a transformative work and easily falls within copyright fair use. Where Axanar really fucked the pumpkin was in using Paramount's registered trademarks for their own commercial use. Use of the Starfleet Chevron is one such example of a trademark infringement. There is no affirmative defence to selling merchandise using this trademarked symbol. Unlike Copyrights, trademarks need to be vigorously defended in courts to stay valid. Should Paramount fail to vigorously defend their trademarks they would lose trademark protection and end up in the popular lexicon like Dumpster or Q-Tip. Axanar has no valid affirmative defence to their trademark infringement either. They have neither used a nominative or descriptive fair use and Axanar is definitely not a parody.
From a practical standpoint, Paramount could almost certainly have crushed them with lawsuits or the like, regardless of the strict legality of whatever they were doing. But like a lot of these companies, they know the value of not being a complete dick to fans and giving them some leeway. Axanar then pushed it way too far and pissed Paramount off.
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edited April 2021
It really sucks because Axanar's insanity fucked things up for everyone else. Not that I'm a big fan film aficionado but I would have loved to get a lot more Star Trek Continues.
Point of order. Nothing in Axanar violates COPYRIGHT law persay. The problem Axanar faces is one of TRADEMARK infringement. Axanar by definition is a transformative work and easily falls within copyright fair use. Where Axanar really fucked the pumpkin was in using Paramount's registered trademarks for their own commercial use. Use of the Starfleet Chevron is one such example of a trademark infringement. There is no affirmative defence to selling merchandise using this trademarked symbol. Unlike Copyrights, trademarks need to be vigorously defended in courts to stay valid. Should Paramount fail to vigorously defend their trademarks they would lose trademark protection and end up in the popular lexicon like Dumpster or Q-Tip. Axanar has no valid affirmative defence to their trademark infringement either. They have neither used a nominative or descriptive fair use and Axanar is definitely not a parody.
Just a remark about the bolded, that is oftentimes so misconstrued that the EFF even felt compelled to put out a statement refuting that. The bar for Genericide is much higher than most people think it is, in order for them to lose protection what would basically have to happen is everyone starts to refer to sci-fi in general as a Star Trek.
Second, Canonical is not “required” to enforce its mark in every instance or risk losing it. The circumstances under which a company could actually lose a trademark—such as abandonment and genericide—are quite limited. Genericide occurs when a trademark becomes the standard term for a type of good (‘zipper’ and ‘escalator’ being two famous examples). This is very rare and would not be a problem for Canonical unless people start saying “Ubuntu” simply to mean “operating system.” Courts also set a very high bar to show abandonment (usually years of total non-use). Importantly, failure to enforce a mark against every potential infringer does not show abandonment.
Now I'm not familiar with the whole Axanar situation specifically but if they were selling unlicensed Star Trek branded items that was pretty fucking dumb and I'm not surprised that Paramount went after them for it, but Paramount not going after them for it would not mean Paramount would risk losing Star Trek.
Lol, next episode is a standard oh no alternate dimension where Bajor is the fascist empire.
Hey now, that's not just an alternate dimension, that's THE alternate dimension. With goatees!
And even sexier Kira.
Just a more honest Kira.
The Good Dimension could have Stupidy Sexy Kira too, but they're all "what about the rules, Kira" and "that's not an accepted uniform, Kira" and "stop enslaving the command crew, Kira".
Lol, next episode is a standard oh no alternate dimension where Bajor is the fascist empire.
Hey now, that's not just an alternate dimension, that's THE alternate dimension. With goatees!
And even sexier Kira.
Just a more honest Kira.
The Good Dimension could have Stupidy Sexy Kira too, but they're all "what about the rules, Kira" and "that's not an accepted uniform, Kira" and "stop enslaving the command crew, Kira".
Whatever your pro / con position on Horny Kira might be, Nana Visitor was apparently having fun in those episodes, so good for her.
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Really makes you re-evaluate Scott Bakula doesn't it?
But there are several times in DS9 it looks like they're going to do exactly that
"... and then, of course, you will send your own ships, and someone will make the smallest mistake and we'll have a war" - Gul Dukat
The only reason the colonies weren't subjugated was because of fear of Federation reprisal (hence the De Militarized Zone), that's why the Cardassians were fighting a proxy war using their "Civilian" colonists. There is nothing textual in the series to indicate it was from a lack of resources. After all they were in a much worse position when they subjugated Bajor, which had hundreds (thousands?) of times as many people as the DMZ colonies
Did you see the episode where the Cardassians built a war fleet in secret to go attack the Dominion leadership? Just because they couldn't beat up the Klingons doesn't mean they were helpless
*obviously this becomes true later in DS9 when their government falls apart, but before the Dominion shows up
They continue on for some reason. I had signed up with them after I watched the initial Axanar thing with greats like J. G. Hertzler and Kate Vernon, so I was signed up on their mailing list. I used to get constant emails until I shut them down, long, long after the court case told them to fuck off. The guy running it seems to be pretty obsessed.
The REALLY truly frustrating thing is based off the prelude to Axanar video, they truly got Trek as the world was defined then better than Disco. They certainly got Klingons, and properly scaled stakes.... and how to tease things we knew from TOS without just using it as blatant showpieces. God just thinking about it makes me so frustrated with the Axanar people.
ughhh
yeah that is sad
prelude at axanar was pretty great, it's a shame they fucked up and sold merch and got shut down early on
Yeah Prelude recognized all the things I was saying about how you should do Space Combat in Trek. It wasn't like, nearly as high production value as Disco, but Disco's space battles are the same as those in Guardians of the Galaxy - lots of ships firing pew pew pew pew squirty blasters at each other
Prelude to Axanar had them as large, relatively slow turning objects firing devastating weapons at one another, I was genuinely wanting to see more
Posturing and committing are two different things. Also, an all-out war against a powerful traditional enemy and the bombing of second-rate colonies are two different things. A war with the Federation would have given Central Command a real enemy to blame Cardassia's problems on and focus public resentment against, and would have allowed them to strengthen their position and silence their opponents by banging the nationalist drum. That would be a worthwhile use of their resources. Bombing the colonies of the DMZ doesn't accomplish any of this.
Also, "the Cardassians" didn't build a fleet to attack the Dominions. You're making the mistake I mentioned earlier, of seeing the Cardassians as a single unified powerful block, and ignoring the massive internal strife tearing them apart. The Obsidian Order, in direct opposition to Central Command and with help from the Romulans (and the Founders), built a fleet to attack the Dominion. This is not a show of Cardassian power. If anything, it's a show of Cardassian weakness and disunity, that a faction within their society can make a deal with a foreign government and build a warfleet right under Central Command's nose without them even noticing.
Worse, to me, is that the battles were just the setting. It was the characters that really made it come alive. Having that many Trek icons in new roles helped a lot there. I had really hoped that CBS would just say "Look, you guys made Axanar, here is a token salary, we're taking this now and making it our new series/movie".
I think the episode makes it pretty clear that that Picard will fight is the Sheliak attack the colony but really prefers that Data convinces them to leave
From a practical standpoint, Paramount could almost certainly have crushed them with lawsuits or the like, regardless of the strict legality of whatever they were doing. But like a lot of these companies, they know the value of not being a complete dick to fans and giving them some leeway. Axanar then pushed it way too far and pissed Paramount off.
Also, Janeway meeting Fear and Fear being the one who is scared is an all-time classic Star Trek moment.
Sisko is intimidating. Janeway is chilling.
Just a remark about the bolded, that is oftentimes so misconstrued that the EFF even felt compelled to put out a statement refuting that. The bar for Genericide is much higher than most people think it is, in order for them to lose protection what would basically have to happen is everyone starts to refer to sci-fi in general as a Star Trek.
Now I'm not familiar with the whole Axanar situation specifically but if they were selling unlicensed Star Trek branded items that was pretty fucking dumb and I'm not surprised that Paramount went after them for it, but Paramount not going after them for it would not mean Paramount would risk losing Star Trek.
Hey now, that's not just an alternate dimension, that's THE alternate dimension. With goatees!
And even sexier Kira.
Just a more honest Kira.
The Good Dimension could have Stupidy Sexy Kira too, but they're all "what about the rules, Kira" and "that's not an accepted uniform, Kira" and "stop enslaving the command crew, Kira".
*double takes*
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Whatever your pro / con position on Horny Kira might be, Nana Visitor was apparently having fun in those episodes, so good for her.
the actual inciting incident for that episode where Garak kills a guy on the abandoned space station
Not a court in the world would convict him.
Yeah this is why I'm super glad you told me about your fabric scissors immediately.
That would require judges not clumsy enough to keep accidentally falling to tragic and unexpected deaths mid-trial so yeah, no convictions possible.
Judges are just such an uncoordinated bunch, it's a real shame.
Ha ha, my special ones also have their own sheath, so they're hard to mistake for the regular scissors.