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Let's all complain about the [job] thread

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I get the sentiment the person's trying to express, but most of the vitriol should get pointed at someone that replied to him instead:




    If there is a unintentional emergency only I can handle I'm not being paid enough and we have a larger organizational problem to boot.

    Whippy wrote: »
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    So that's why "what's your blood type" was on the list of interview questions...

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    So that's why "what's your blood type" was on the list of interview questions...

    Or they're using your details to create a visual novel dating sim character.

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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Athenor wrote: »
    Oh Hey, Microsoft's safelinks now show the real address in Outlook when you mouse over them.

    Yeaaah. Somehow I don't think this "$18,000" in federal student aid is coming from a website in India.

    And thank god for that change

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    ThegreatcowThegreatcow Lord of All Bacons Washington State - It's Wet up here innit? Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    expendable wrote: »
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    And this American one is probably followed by "I have just been fired from my job for not being a 'Team player'"

    Please there is no need to make up outlandish scenarios. We have real examples that are even worse!

    https://abcnews.go.com/News/york-mom-fired-donating-kidney-boss/story?id=16195691
    April 23, 2012 -- A New York Long Island woman said she was fired after she donated a kidney to help save the life of her boss.

    Debbie Stevens, a 47-year-old divorced mother of two, filed a formal complaint with the New York State Human Rights Commission last Friday, claiming her boss used her for her organ then fired her "after the woman got what she wanted." Stevens' boss, 61-year-old Jackie Brucia, is one of the West Islip controllers for Atlantic Automotive Group, a billion-dollar dealership operator. Brucia hired Stevens in January 2009 as an assistant.

    Goddammit Cyberpunk dystopias are supposed to be contained to RPGs and Vidyagames....I can't have this amount of Soul-Crushery on a Friday!

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    I’ll never forget when a dentist called me after she gave birth, while still in the hospital, to complain about our dental software pricing.

    I just… there are no words.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Hah the one bad tweet was deleted.
    Or, take the time out of office, but understand I'm going to still be emailing you and needing you to get the shit done.

    Like I said I get the sentiment of the original tweet even if I don't agree with it

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I’ll never forget when a dentist called me after she gave birth, while still in the hospital, to complain about our dental software pricing.

    I just… there are no words.

    I can kind of see it, in the sense of "well, I'm stuck here for the next ___ hours, not allowed to get out of bed... need to do something while I wait for test results and/or baby to come back."

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    MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    At some point, yeah, you need to take into account that you may be needed in the office and plan around it. But that level is generally management level or higher. I am literally the only who can do a lot of what I do. Most of it is easy enough, and doesn't take a lot of time, so having more than one person doesn't work. But I know when I need to be in, when I can take off, and plan around it. I tell people when I am taking time off, and I don't think I've ever asked (unless I know a project is coming up, and then I ask if I'm needed on certain days or not).
    If you are one of several people who can do a job, then no, don't worry about taking the time off if you need to. That's somebody else's job.

    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    I think there are lucrative jobs where it is implicit in the sheer amount you're being paid that you will accept a less-than-ideal work/life balance. But people with those jobs don't get to impose that expectation on everyone else for free.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Butler wrote: »
    I think there are lucrative jobs where it is implicit in the sheer amount you're being paid that you will accept a less-than-ideal work/life balance. But people with those jobs don't get to impose that expectation on everyone else for free.

    I'll consider myself one of those people when my vacation is like me renting a fully staffed yact for my friends and family where I can have a little work setup for an hour or two a day.

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Butler wrote: »
    I think there are lucrative jobs where it is implicit in the sheer amount you're being paid that you will accept a less-than-ideal work/life balance. But people with those jobs don't get to impose that expectation on everyone else for free.

    You're describing ownership and equity. It's historically the only way to properly incentive people.

    Pensions also work but those don't seem to be coming back.

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
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    tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Back to the phishing conversation, I just got a frankly pretty professional sounding email (as these things go) from someone about "being eligible for student loan forgiveness", no mispelled words or anything. Only a few random ellipses.

    That's not interesting, those are a dime a dozen. What's fun is the name, which they repeated four times: Quig‎‎ma‎n Stedman‎‎‎.

    That's got real 'villain in an Adam Sandler comedy' vibes

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    It's nice we basically don't ask for permission to take PTO here. If there's some huge long term project in works our boss may ask if that would affect any looming deadlines, if we'd need to hand off anything to another team member or whatever, but generally those questions are implicitly answered by us submitting the PTO request in Kronos. The only real thing is if it overlaps with our on call rotation we have to find someone to swap weeks.
    Even then sometimes I've told him when asked that I just wanted to take a Friday to play video games, I'm not actually doing anything. I'm willing to shoulder the very small risk we actually get an after hours ticket (like 2 in a month is a lot) and I might have to like rerun a scheduled job, than deal with changing the rotation.

    At my previous role it was a little more involved because I worked helpdesk/ operations, and for most of it I was 2nd/3rd shift and weekends. We needed 2 people so one could take breaks, eat, etc, as well do some of the nightly ops tasks without worrying about phones. Which meant we had to find someone from one of the days that generally had 3 people to cover. Even then, if we couldn't, our team lead or manager would often cover the shift.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Oh no, you have reminded me of Kronos. I am having flashbacks.

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Oh no, you have reminded me of Kronos. I am having flashbacks.

    It's okay, it can't hurt you anymore. It's stuck in a Java error loop.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I’ll never forget when a dentist called me after she gave birth, while still in the hospital, to complain about our dental software pricing.

    I just… there are no words.

    I can kind of see it, in the sense of "well, I'm stuck here for the next ___ hours, not allowed to get out of bed... need to do something while I wait for test results and/or baby to come back."

    I like to think that part of her birthing plan was having a selection of vendors in mind to take it out on. You're probably just lucky that you weren't one of the ones she called during labor.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    I think there are lucrative jobs where it is implicit in the sheer amount you're being paid that you will accept a less-than-ideal work/life balance. But people with those jobs don't get to impose that expectation on everyone else for free.

    You're describing ownership and equity. It's historically the only way to properly incentive people.

    Pensions also work but those don't seem to be coming back.

    What about making it super clear to people that they'll die in a fuckn ditch if they don't? That worked pretty well in the past and I kind of feel that it's getting really fashionable again.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Today my discussions with students have been focused on a pretty frequent item: reading.

    So, I'd say 75-85% of my students HATE reading. Not just school-mandated reading, but casual reading in any capacity.

    So through discussion with them, and some coworkers in the English department during lunch, we started putting together some possible theories for this.

    Our leading theory? About ten years ago our district made the move away from having Silent Sustained Reading during the school day, as it was perceived to be an "empty" time with students "not doing anything." And we have to imagine that did it. Because from a quick survey of two of my classes, almost none of my students have ever had an opportunity in education to just read a book (a book that they chose to read) in a classroom with no external pressure (having to study the book for quizzes/tests/assignments).

    All of this is built up to a student passionately telling me, "Books are obsolete. If I want entertainment, I can stream a show. If I want entertainment, I can go outside and look at the sunset. There's no use for books anymore."

    I AM HEART-BROKEN AND LIVID

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    AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    I think your analysis is accurate, but your root cause is the same here in The Netherlands. There's too much focus on reading as something that needs to serve a concrete purpose.

    No Great Writer would have had any financial success if they only sold their book to people who needed to read it for a specific purpose. Those Great Writers are pushed on us now as required reading and somewhere along the way we stopped talking about the joy of reading a book. It is not limited to school either: the unending lists of self-help books, the constant stream of news on our social media and then there's folks who want to impress upon you that you need to have read certain books to be a well-rounded human.

    More has been written on this subject than I care to remember, but I liked Max Joseph's video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIW5jBrrsS0

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Wait they got rid of sustained silent reading in your district?

    That is awful! One because what the hell let the kids read. And two because it was an amazing window for the teacher to have quiet chats with students, or do grading, or a ton of little other things.

    Blehhh, at least in the classrooms I worked in, it was always a super zen moment for me and the kids.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Not allowing kids to read unless it's got a "purpose" is like telling people not to jog unless they've got a practical destination in mind. The practice is the purpose.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Today my discussions with students have been focused on a pretty frequent item: reading.

    So, I'd say 75-85% of my students HATE reading. Not just school-mandated reading, but casual reading in any capacity.

    So through discussion with them, and some coworkers in the English department during lunch, we started putting together some possible theories for this.

    Our leading theory? About ten years ago our district made the move away from having Silent Sustained Reading during the school day, as it was perceived to be an "empty" time with students "not doing anything." And we have to imagine that did it. Because from a quick survey of two of my classes, almost none of my students have ever had an opportunity in education to just read a book (a book that they chose to read) in a classroom with no external pressure (having to study the book for quizzes/tests/assignments).

    All of this is built up to a student passionately telling me, "Books are obsolete. If I want entertainment, I can stream a show. If I want entertainment, I can go outside and look at the sunset. There's no use for books anymore."

    I AM HEART-BROKEN AND LIVID

    Does your school even have a librarian?

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    Today my discussions with students have been focused on a pretty frequent item: reading.

    So, I'd say 75-85% of my students HATE reading. Not just school-mandated reading, but casual reading in any capacity.

    So through discussion with them, and some coworkers in the English department during lunch, we started putting together some possible theories for this.

    Our leading theory? About ten years ago our district made the move away from having Silent Sustained Reading during the school day, as it was perceived to be an "empty" time with students "not doing anything." And we have to imagine that did it. Because from a quick survey of two of my classes, almost none of my students have ever had an opportunity in education to just read a book (a book that they chose to read) in a classroom with no external pressure (having to study the book for quizzes/tests/assignments).

    All of this is built up to a student passionately telling me, "Books are obsolete. If I want entertainment, I can stream a show. If I want entertainment, I can go outside and look at the sunset. There's no use for books anymore."

    I AM HEART-BROKEN AND LIVID

    Does your school even have a librarian?

    We do but she's more of a tech specialist.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    My high school spent the library money on their failure of a football team, so the library itself had no assigned hours and could just as easily be open as it was closed since some volunteer had to be keeping an eye on the place.

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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    Gotta work about 10 hours of OT tonight but it's night shift/weekend premium OT and I'm running the cake job so I can't complain too much.

    Also I begrudgingly volunteered because I need the filthy muns

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Not allowing kids to read unless it's got a "purpose" is like telling people not to jog unless they've got a practical destination in mind. The practice is the purpose.

    But reading is awesome and jogging is the worst possible activity.

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    One annoying thing about my new office is that they don't have a water cooler, so i have to put my own bottle in a fridge like an animal

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    I have just learned how essential a muscle underneath my shoulder blade is to everyday movement of my dominant arm

    Too much gaming at the improper workstation or too much wacking or too much cell phone work

    I'm guessing the latter since 75% of my work requires the cell phone

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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    All muscles are important and, much like power steering or bass players, you don't notice them until they fuck up. Then you notice them.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Oh great the "all muscles matter" crowd is here

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Not allowing kids to read unless it's got a "purpose" is like telling people not to jog unless they've got a practical destination in mind. The practice is the purpose.

    New idea for physical education: release the hounds!

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    Oh great the "all muscles matter" crowd is here

    haha these fucking idiots think the gubernaculum matters rofl

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Books are a streaming show in your mind!

    Books are a sunset in your mind!

    And those high school kids don't like reading?

    Has anyone introduced them to Drizzt Do'Urden??

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Not allowing kids to read unless it's got a "purpose" is like telling people not to jog unless they've got a practical destination in mind. The practice is the purpose.

    But reading is awesome and jogging is the worst possible activity.

    True. I haven't jogged on purpose since I was an undergrad, but through the magic of reading I have gained the ability to use athletic metaphors.

    I await your poetic rebuttal, athletes.

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    thatassemblyguythatassemblyguy Janitor of Technical Debt .Registered User regular
    It gets better, jab thread.

    After having adequately raised my concerns to my manager, literally yesterday, about my co-worker ejecting the technical debt for someone else to take care of, and that it'll impact schedule of critical path things.

    After being called 'emotional' for doing so.

    I'm "in the dog house" because this morning I laid out that there's a schedule slip because, according to my manager, I didn't raise the impacts/my concerns sooner.

    Like, this is the kind of The Office/Silicon Valley shit that happens in real life and just makes watching those shows impossible because they're too real.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I like reading and should do it more. Taking a e-reader to work would be dubious. I used to take books though.

    Sigh it is only Friday and I am ever so tired. Last night I was supposed to go home at lunch but instead I left after 8am. I have anywhere from 4 to 6 hours of OT this week alone. I really do need to take a long weekend off {I had when I last checked less than 20 hours of OT} Just most of the days on the chart are blacked out because they are critical days {being they are weekends or such they expect to have high sales} Just if they excepted more out of the dept managers it would not be such a mess in dairy or frozen

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    chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    I hate to jump this far back, but I've been busy and tired and I'm gonna jump this far back.
    Great to hear korodullin is doing well, but has anyone heard from Darth Waiter recently?

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    The most worrying thing I learned was that a person ranking above me at work, whose position was needed and guaranteed by experience, quit. Not fired, quit. I know the person at the heart of the story is either failing upward or getting passed around, but its damn....worrying to know so many people of rank and experience are choosing to bounce.

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    CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    It gets better, jab thread.

    After having adequately raised my concerns to my manager, literally yesterday, about my co-worker ejecting the technical debt for someone else to take care of, and that it'll impact schedule of critical path things.

    After being called 'emotional' for doing so.

    I'm "in the dog house" because this morning I laid out that there's a schedule slip because, according to my manager, I didn't raise the impacts/my concerns sooner.

    Like, this is the kind of The Office/Silicon Valley shit that happens in real life and just makes watching those shows impossible because they're too real.

    That sucks. Do you have a paper trail?

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