I don't understand the point of arena. Why not just play regular underworlds?
It’s just a variant. More tuned for multiplayer. A bit less serious. I enjoyed it as a fun diversion with the original WD rules but haven’t felt the need to buy the box.
Cynically it’s a way of boosting the price on flogging a few new cards for the full game as well.
Arena Mortis is faster paced, and you only use a single model. The amount of wounds your model has determines how many upgrades you start with to help with game balance (so you can take a doofus like Arnulf and start with a bunch of upgrades, or take a beefcake like Gurzag Ironskull and start with none). In regular multiplayer Underworlds, when a model is dead it's removed, but in Arena Mortis when your model dies it comes back. It's a very different game compared to regular Underworlds with three or four players.
While we're talking about Underworlds game types though, the Glassmad Gargant is a ton of fun, and I recommend anyone who plays Underworlds to give it a shot sometime. It's multiple warbands teaming up against a single, very tough Gargant model who isn't controlled by anyone (it has specific actions it takes). It's "cooperative", but you can still get up to some shenanigans if you want to (like attacking the Gargant with one of your models, and then using Confusion to swap places with another player's model so that when the Gargant attacks back your model is safe). The Gargant's card was only available in a White Dwarf quite a while back, but there are scans of it (and the rules) all over the internet.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
I've never really had a desire to build a Kruleboyz army, but that model is incredible.
With different factions they could do different types of dragons, that way everyone gets something (and then no one is happy when you don't get your specific flavour of dragon in your faction).
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
I want them to make an all dragon army. I would play that.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited July 2021
I think I generally agree with the criticism of these models, that while they're nice they aren't to the creative and detail standards set by other large models recently. Like look at these Dragons and compare them with the ridiculous detail, pose and feel that the Kruelboyz Mouth of Mork has going for it. They look very plain and like they could have come from Wizkids Ancient Dragon series, instead of something that fits with the over the top aesthetic of AoS.
Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
Hrmm.
Yep, can't unsee that.
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AxenMy avatar is Excalibur.Yes, the sword.Registered Userregular
edited July 2021
I dunno, I like em.
I mean yeah I get what people are saying, totally understand, but I kinda like the fact that they are just, y'know, dragons.
edit- I think maybe because of late people have been doing fancier and fancier dragon designs and there is just something nice about someone going, "Nah, dragons are cool as dragons."
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My immediate thought is that they remind me of DragonHeart. (Which is, in general, not something I like things to do.)
I saw someone elsewhere bring up the dragons from the Spyro remakes, and that's also a fair comparison. They were obviously going for personality, but it comes off... cartoony. I'd have preferred an "unknowable intelligence" vibe, though I don't know how you could sculpt that. (Besides doing what the Lumineth did and have masks.)
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
I'd have preferred an "unknowable intelligence" vibe, though I don't know how you could sculpt that. (Besides doing what the Lumineth did and have masks.)
Actually, dragons with masks, more armor, robes, weapons and gear, etc. might be a neat look. You don't often think of dragons as wearing stuff, but it can be cool when done well.
My immediate thought is that they remind me of DragonHeart. (Which is, in general, not something I like things to do.)
I saw someone elsewhere bring up the dragons from the Spyro remakes, and that's also a fair comparison. They were obviously going for personality, but it comes off... cartoony. I'd have preferred an "unknowable intelligence" vibe, though I don't know how you could sculpt that. (Besides doing what the Lumineth did and have masks.)
I was thinking a bit more of Dragon Prince vibes from Netflix.
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Dr_KeenbeanDumb as a buttPlanet Express ShipRegistered Userregular
The Smaug mini is a good dragon. But I guess GW didn't really design that.
The Smaug mini is a good dragon. But I guess GW didn't really design that.
They had to design it twice cos his appearance changed between movies!
But, yeah, the new dragons aren't blowing me away really, they're perfectly good sculpts but I can't say I'd be interested in painting/playing with them. It's a little surprising that they're both named variants too actually, I think I'd be more likely to grab one if there was a generic build that could fit into any Order force, or something.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
It feels like they have had a concerted effort to pull things back a bit towards more well trodden fantasy concepts with the recent AoS releases. Early on it was all "Fish Elf Soul Pirates!" "Lava Dwarf Nudists!" "Bone golem Alexander the great" "Sky Ship Squats!" and "Oops all medusas". And now they've calmed down a bit to "lord of the rings orcs" "Zombies and Vampires" and "A dragon"
I appreciate them going back to classic fantasy, but I hope the future of AoS still has some really bonkers weird things too.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited July 2021
I'm definitely in the camp that thinks they are cool and fun specifically because they are just dragons with personality. It's creative and weird in it's simplicity, in this setting, because this setting is so creative and weird in other ways.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited July 2021
I just read the actual article and realized Krondys (the green one) will likely be something that can be souped in with Stormcast Eternals, given his fluff. Urge to purchase rising.
e: Ha, the end of the article specifically calls out that they both will have some way to to work with Stormcast.
I just read the actual article and realized Krondys (the green one) will likely be something that can be souped in with Stormcast Eternals, given his fluff. Urge to purchase rising.
e: Ha, the end of the article specifically calls out that they both will have some way to to work with Stormcast.
Krondys’ armour decorations makes him pretty visually clearly a Stormcast unit.
I just read the actual article and realized Krondys (the green one) will likely be something that can be souped in with Stormcast Eternals, given his fluff. Urge to purchase rising.
e: Ha, the end of the article specifically calls out that they both will have some way to to work with Stormcast.
Krondys’ armour decorations makes him pretty visually clearly a Stormcast unit.
On his chest, below his armour, Krondys is marked with the twin-tailed comet – a sigil which represents the alliance between Sigmar and Draconith. Filled with sadness and shame at the fall of the ancient Draconith Empires to which he is heir, it is Krondys’ great hope that, in alliance with the Stormcast Eternals, his kin might once more rise to greatness.
I suspect Krondys and Karazai will both be in Stormcast (a shame I wouldn’t mind seeing a dragon faction); I believe there are rumours floating about concerning stormcast riding dragons.
I suspect karazai will be able to go in to a bunch of other order factions.
Reading the realm lords book since it talks about Tyrion and how one city/state's army leans more to that side and in general the book vaguely talks about it I am now curious about them and whatever Malekith/Maleron's elves are
With Tyrion it would have been neat to have dragon knights once again but the Stormcast get all the neat things
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My read on the article was that the blue guy was mostly a stormcast unit (or at least gets bonuses in a stormcast army) whereas the red chap could show up in any Order force, but I may well be reading between lines that aren't there.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
edited July 2021
According to that article we're still a couple weeks from the battletome pre-order. Hopefully the battletome and green dragon guy go up together as I'll be getting both.
I need to get my blending in order to paint him. Most of my painting over the last couple years has been space marines and stormcast which have much harder lines.
I'm going to (finally) play my first game of 3.0 tomorrow. My friend and I are just playing a vanilla game using the Dominion models so we can get the hang of any new rules/changes. I'll be playing the Stormcast half, and he'll be playing the Kruleboyz.
He tells me "Don't make the table too dense". Just for that I'm gonna make the table look like Mordheim on steroids.
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It’s just a variant. More tuned for multiplayer. A bit less serious. I enjoyed it as a fun diversion with the original WD rules but haven’t felt the need to buy the box.
Cynically it’s a way of boosting the price on flogging a few new cards for the full game as well.
While we're talking about Underworlds game types though, the Glassmad Gargant is a ton of fun, and I recommend anyone who plays Underworlds to give it a shot sometime. It's multiple warbands teaming up against a single, very tough Gargant model who isn't controlled by anyone (it has specific actions it takes). It's "cooperative", but you can still get up to some shenanigans if you want to (like attacking the Gargant with one of your models, and then using Confusion to swap places with another player's model so that when the Gargant attacks back your model is safe). The Gargant's card was only available in a White Dwarf quite a while back, but there are scans of it (and the rules) all over the internet.
Rude, Facebook.
... I'm supposed to be seeing Battle Cat, right? Because that doesn't look very much like He-Man up top.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/26/dragons-are-back-and-theyre-going-to-change-the-mortal-realms-forever/
I think I would've liked an update of the more snake-like typically Warhammer dragon a bit more. Or something in between. These are eh.
I do agree they are extremely dragon.
Yep, can't unsee that.
I mean yeah I get what people are saying, totally understand, but I kinda like the fact that they are just, y'know, dragons.
edit- I think maybe because of late people have been doing fancier and fancier dragon designs and there is just something nice about someone going, "Nah, dragons are cool as dragons."
I saw someone elsewhere bring up the dragons from the Spyro remakes, and that's also a fair comparison. They were obviously going for personality, but it comes off... cartoony. I'd have preferred an "unknowable intelligence" vibe, though I don't know how you could sculpt that. (Besides doing what the Lumineth did and have masks.)
Actually, dragons with masks, more armor, robes, weapons and gear, etc. might be a neat look. You don't often think of dragons as wearing stuff, but it can be cool when done well.
I was thinking a bit more of Dragon Prince vibes from Netflix.
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They had to design it twice cos his appearance changed between movies!
But, yeah, the new dragons aren't blowing me away really, they're perfectly good sculpts but I can't say I'd be interested in painting/playing with them. It's a little surprising that they're both named variants too actually, I think I'd be more likely to grab one if there was a generic build that could fit into any Order force, or something.
Green one would be voiced by Tony Jay if he were still around.
I appreciate them going back to classic fantasy, but I hope the future of AoS still has some really bonkers weird things too.
e: Ha, the end of the article specifically calls out that they both will have some way to to work with Stormcast.
Krondys’ armour decorations makes him pretty visually clearly a Stormcast unit.
Stormcast also already have Stardrakes, which are celestial dragons. It would be weird if they couldn't take the new models.
I suspect karazai will be able to go in to a bunch of other order factions.
With Tyrion it would have been neat to have dragon knights once again but the Stormcast get all the neat things
A preview in words of the stormcast book
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/29/the-stormcast-eternals-become-the-ultimate-defenders-of-the-mortal-realms-in-their-best-battletome-yet/
I need to get my blending in order to paint him. Most of my painting over the last couple years has been space marines and stormcast which have much harder lines.
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He tells me "Don't make the table too dense". Just for that I'm gonna make the table look like Mordheim on steroids.