Stefan Löfven, Swedish PM that just survived forming a new-same-as-the-old government after a vote of no confidence, announced he'll resign as PM and party leader of the Social Democrats this autumn - the party conference in November will elect a new party leader. Since he's resigning as PM at the same time this means we're in for another round of herding cats to form a new government. Yay!
Reading The Adventures of Stefan Löfven, I'm vastly ignorant, but people shouldn't be demanding the resignation of the leadership of the opposition parties after that particulary humilliating defeat?
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Stefan Löfven, Swedish PM that just survived forming a new-same-as-the-old government after a vote of no confidence, announced he'll resign as PM and party leader of the Social Democrats this autumn - the party conference in November will elect a new party leader. Since he's resigning as PM at the same time this means we're in for another round of herding cats to form a new government. Yay!
Reading The Adventures of Stefan Löfven, I'm vastly ignorant, but people shouldn't be demanding the resignation of the leadership of the opposition parties after that particulary humilliating defeat?
the opposition parties are largely cult based so it's tricky
Marvel at the exciting diversity of the candidates for German Chancellor
You've got centrist slightly corrupt macho patriarchist candidate in blue, conservative more corrupt and incompetent macho patriach candidate in blue, and not a chance to become chancellor slightly incompetent green candidate in blue.
This race is so frustrating. There are no visions, no interest for sweeping change. Just alot of talk about mostly innane things. At least the conservatives continue to crater in the polls.
Norway is part of the EEC and Schengen, but not EU. Major oil and gas exporter. Also fish, timber, rocks (yes, really), aluminium.
The election system (very different from the US, quite different from most of Europe):
The country is split into electoral districts, each electing multiple members, proportionally. Districts far from the capital are disproportionally favoured.
As long as your party gets enough votes in that district to get at least one candidate in, you're golden.
But, what if you're a small party, and fall below in many districts. E.g., Rødt ("Red") is about 5% in my district, but would need to at least double to get a representative.
Well, if your party gets at least 4% of the national vote, that party will get leveling seats. These special seats are given out to ensure that the Parliament better represents the national average. (Parties less than 4% are not eligible, but can still get MPs if they are popular enough in at least one district). This scheme explicitly favors small but not miniscule parties, by design.
Last election, Rødt got 1 MP and less than 2.5% nationally. This election, they might get 5% and 8 seats (1 normally and 7 through leveling). Although the more normal is to go from 2–3 MPs (just below 4%) to 5–7 MPs (just above 4%).
Minority government is quite common. There is no explicit vote of confidence, but they can be thrown out with a vote of no confidence or equivalent (e.g., not getting budget to pass). That does not trigger a new election; the new majority must try to form a government. Elections happen once every 4 years not matter what. Colation governemtns are also quite common.
The parties
Left to right:
Rødt (R; "Red"): Literal communists. No EU, yes taxes, no oil, yes environment.
Sosialistisk ventreparti (SV; "Socialist leftist party"): Splinter group from Labor. No EU, yes taxes, no oil, yes environment.
Arbeiderpartiet (AP; "The Labor Party"): Traditional labor party. Yes EU, slight yes on taxes, yes oil, yes environment.
-- Left/center divide --
Senterpartiet (SP; "The Center Party"): Former farmer's party. No EU, yes diesel cars, yes districts, no "elites", meh on environment, no immigrants.
Miljøpartiet de grønne (MDG; "The Green Environmental Party"). Yes environment, otherwise average leftist.
Kristlig folkeparti (KrF; "Christian Popular Party"). Split personality. Huge left/right split, right won tiny internal majority due to abortion (they don't like it). Half value conservative, half "shepards of the Earth / good samaritans". Uneasy alignment with the right.
Ventre (V; "Left"): Traditional liberal party. Yes EU, yes environment, tax carefully. Uneasy alignment with the right.
-- Center/right divide --
Høyre (H; "Right"): Traditional conservative party. Yes EU, yes oil, yes lower taxes, no government oversight.
Fremskrittspartiet (FrP "The Progress Party"): Right-wing populists. No eu, yes booze, yes cigarettes, yes oil, no environment, no immigrants.
All parties are pro welfare. Left wants to fund via taxes, right via the vast, vast accumulated oil money (currently invested in international companies).
Left wants governmentally owned services (school, hospitals, etc), right wants private competitors.
Current government is an uneasy minority right alliance of Høyre (conservative), KrF (schitzofrenic Christians), and Venstre (liberals). FrP (right populists) supports (kinda) and departed government right before the pandemic hit.
Current prognosis is a majority coalition of left SV (socialists), AP (labor), and SP (rural populists). But the real nail-biter is if they need support from Rødt (communists) or MDG (greens).
AP (Labor) has been my traditional party, but this year I went for SV (socialists) on environmental reasons. (I actually turn out to be more in agreement with MDG (greens), but they do not have great odds of being in a position to affect policy.)
Stefan Löfven, Swedish PM that just survived forming a new-same-as-the-old government after a vote of no confidence, announced he'll resign as PM and party leader of the Social Democrats this autumn - the party conference in November will elect a new party leader. Since he's resigning as PM at the same time this means we're in for another round of herding cats to form a new government. Yay!
Reading The Adventures of Stefan Löfven, I'm vastly ignorant, but people shouldn't be demanding the resignation of the leadership of the opposition parties after that particulary humilliating defeat?
the opposition parties are largely cult based so it's tricky
And not the good human sacrifice kind of cult either.
You won't hear a single "Cthulhu Phtagn" from these guys.
Norwegian election: Polls just closed (at 2100). Prognosis is (collectively) absolute majority to AP (labor), SV (socialists), and SP (rural populists). 88 MPs out of 85 needed for absolute majority.
Percentage national (MPs):
Arbeiderpartiet "Labor" 26,6 (48)
Sp "Center" 14,6 (26)
SV "Socialist" 7,7 (14)
Rødt "Red" 5 (9)
MDG "Greens" 4,2 (7)
Høyre "Right" 18,7 (38)
Frp "Progress" 11,2 (20)
KrF "Christians" 3,9 (3)
Venstre "Left" 3,5 (3).
Also, Pasientlista ("Patients") looks to get 1 MP. Never heard of them before.
Note the difference in MPs between KrF (just below 4%) and MDG (just above 4%): 3 MPs vs 7 MPs.
Good news: Political right is underperforming (vs polls). Bad news: My second least favorite party (SP) is overperforming.
Things will surely change, though. We should get final results tonight, although I won't stay up to wait for the final score.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
Stefan Löfven, Swedish PM that just survived forming a new-same-as-the-old government after a vote of no confidence, announced he'll resign as PM and party leader of the Social Democrats this autumn - the party conference in November will elect a new party leader. Since he's resigning as PM at the same time this means we're in for another round of herding cats to form a new government. Yay!
Reading The Adventures of Stefan Löfven, I'm vastly ignorant, but people shouldn't be demanding the resignation of the leadership of the opposition parties after that particulary humilliating defeat?
the opposition parties are largely cult based so it's tricky
And not the good human sacrifice kind of cult either.
You won't hear a single "Cthulhu Phtagn" from these guys.
IIRC aren't they mostly crazy Archconservative?
mostly they are the Swedish Democrats, who are actual Nazis, KD which is the cooky Christian party, and the Liberals, which seem to be more Libertarian than Liberal
so, yeah, not a hip and classy frenemy kind of opposition
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
You make it sound like you can currently fuck your siblings but it's taxed. Which, in fairness, sounds like something the Swedish government might at least have contemplated at some point.
Alt: Liberals are trying to court that all-important Lannister vote, I see.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
You make it sound like you can currently fuck your siblings but it's taxed. Which, in fairness, sounds like something the Swedish government might at least have contemplated at some point.
you can either fuck your siblings or pay low taxes
but not both
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
Well
Why shouldn't they
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
Stefan Löfven, Swedish PM that just survived forming a new-same-as-the-old government after a vote of no confidence, announced he'll resign as PM and party leader of the Social Democrats this autumn - the party conference in November will elect a new party leader. Since he's resigning as PM at the same time this means we're in for another round of herding cats to form a new government. Yay!
Reading The Adventures of Stefan Löfven, I'm vastly ignorant, but people shouldn't be demanding the resignation of the leadership of the opposition parties after that particulary humilliating defeat?
the opposition parties are largely cult based so it's tricky
And not the good human sacrifice kind of cult either.
You won't hear a single "Cthulhu Phtagn" from these guys.
IIRC aren't they mostly crazy Archconservative?
mostly they are the Swedish Democrats, who are actual Nazis, KD which is the cooky Christian party, and the Liberals, which seem to be more Libertarian than Liberal
so, yeah, not a hip and classy frenemy kind of opposition
Yuck. Guess that answers why Löfven stayed as much as he wanted.
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Norwegian election: It is done. Votes are tallied and final results are in.
Votes:
MPs:
Changes are since last election (2017). Note that parliament is unicamberial. We only have a lower house.
Ed: New record in female MPs: 47%.
AP (labor), SP (rural populists) and SV (socialists) have absolute majority, jointly. Government will either be AP + SP + SV (most likely), or AP + SP with support either from SV or case-by-case basis. AP will get PM.
MDG (greens) fell below 4%, which cost them 4 MPs (7 vs 3). Krf (christians) fell below 4% for the first time in generations. The one "others" party (PF) who got an MP has exactly one point in their party manifesto: Don't close the local hospital in Alta (pop 15,500).
This year, my choice was MDG (with whom I most agree) or SV (decent second place). If AP + SP + SV didn't get a collective majority, and MDG got above 4% nationally, that would have been the best use of my vote. If either of those things didn't happen, SV would be my best choice. So I hedged my bets and went for SV.
Incidentally, on voting: Voting is always straight party line. Each party has their own ballot. You pick the ballot of the party for whom you want to vote, fold it up (the outside is identical on all ballots to make it secret) and drop it off. Ballots are always and only paper.
The party ballots are sorted by candidates. First candidate, second candidate, etc. in that district. (Order determined by the parties themselves). And they get into parliament based on the order.
You can technically write in candidates from other parties, or change the order of them, but it never has any impact.
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
I'm not sure what exactly this joke refers to, but I do genuinely think that supposedly enlightened Western democracies criminalizing consensual sexual behaviour is quite odious.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
I'm not sure what exactly this joke refers to, but I do genuinely think that supposedly enlightened Western democracies criminalizing consensual sexual behaviour is quite odious.
presumably the joke would be aimed at those who think the most important thing to fight for right now is the right to fuck their siblings
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
I'm not sure what exactly this joke refers to, but I do genuinely think that supposedly enlightened Western democracies criminalizing consensual sexual behaviour is quite odious.
presumably the joke would be aimed at those who think the most important thing to fight for right now is the right to fuck their siblings
Well, yes, but I assume there has been some sort of incident which caused the poster to jokingly refer to this political party as one that stands up for the right to consensually fuck your sibling. I am very much unfamiliar with Swedish politics, but I doubt that this is an actual core aspect of their party platform.
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
I'm not sure what exactly this joke refers to, but I do genuinely think that supposedly enlightened Western democracies criminalizing consensual sexual behaviour is quite odious.
presumably the joke would be aimed at those who think the most important thing to fight for right now is the right to fuck their siblings
Well, yes, but I assume there has been some sort of incident which caused the poster to jokingly refer to this political party as one that stands up for the right to consensually fuck your sibling. I am very much unfamiliar with Swedish politics, but I doubt that this is an actual core aspect of their party platform.
The youth wing was arguing for decriminalizing incest between consenting siblings ("it's legal for step-siblings"), necrophilia (given consent in your will), and bestiality (with the argument that existing animal abuse laws were enough).
That was five-ish years ago and they kind of got blasted for it, though.
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
I'm not sure what exactly this joke refers to, but I do genuinely think that supposedly enlightened Western democracies criminalizing consensual sexual behaviour is quite odious.
presumably the joke would be aimed at those who think the most important thing to fight for right now is the right to fuck their siblings
Well, yes, but I assume there has been some sort of incident which caused the poster to jokingly refer to this political party as one that stands up for the right to consensually fuck your sibling. I am very much unfamiliar with Swedish politics, but I doubt that this is an actual core aspect of their party platform.
The youth wing was arguing for decriminalizing incest between consenting siblings ("it's legal for step-siblings"), necrophilia (given consent in your will), and bestiality (with the argument that existing animal abuse laws were enough).
That was five-ish years ago and they kind of got blasted for it, though.
Ah, I see. That does sound like something that wasn't very smart to do, politically speaking, given that it's the perfect collection of edgy subjects that cause thought-overriding feelings of disgust in voters' minds. I wonder why they thought that discussing these topics was a good idea.
The Liberals stand up for important issues like why shouldn’t people be allowed to consensually fuck siblings and also pay low taxes.
The hard hitting important stuff!
I'm not sure what exactly this joke refers to, but I do genuinely think that supposedly enlightened Western democracies criminalizing consensual sexual behaviour is quite odious.
presumably the joke would be aimed at those who think the most important thing to fight for right now is the right to fuck their siblings
Well, yes, but I assume there has been some sort of incident which caused the poster to jokingly refer to this political party as one that stands up for the right to consensually fuck your sibling. I am very much unfamiliar with Swedish politics, but I doubt that this is an actual core aspect of their party platform.
The youth wing was arguing for decriminalizing incest between consenting siblings ("it's legal for step-siblings"), necrophilia (given consent in your will), and bestiality (with the argument that existing animal abuse laws were enough).
That was five-ish years ago and they kind of got blasted for it, though.
Ah, I see. That does sound like something that wasn't very smart to do, politically speaking, given that it's the perfect collection of edgy subjects that cause thought-overriding feelings of disgust in voters' minds. I wonder why they thought that discussing these topics was a good idea.
For what it's worth, another thing they were going for at the same time was legalizing weed.
At the same time as they were talking about legalizing incest, necrophilia, and bestiality.
Yeah. Bad optics.
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I'd say "pick two" but you know they'd pick the worst two.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
One of the candidates for chancellor replies to children asking questions.
He gets super pissy in the process, and now has been crying for days about how unfair the interview was-
The interview his team knew all details about previously, so either his team is bad and prepared him badly, or he ignored his team. Both pretty bad for someone who wants to lead a country
Let's not forget that his party (CDU) tried to create a "but her emails" situation by deliberately doing an unneccessary police raid in the strongest opposition party's candidate's (Scholz, SPD) ministry 3 days before a TV confrontation, instigated by a DA that is politically active in the CDU, when the thing in question was some minor procedural thing that should've been solved by a simple letter months ago... almost as if someone waited until an opportunity arose for a politically impactful police raid
The agreement scuppered a multibillion-dollar deal France had signed with Australia.
So it's about money and not about life and death. The article is very short on details and I wonder how justified France is in their anger. It seems like these kind of massive weapon deals are always a bit contentious.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
The agreement scuppered a multibillion-dollar deal France had signed with Australia.
So it's about money and not about life and death. The article is very short on details and I wonder how justified France is in their anger. It seems like these kind of massive weapon deals are always a bit contentious.
The agreement scuppered a multibillion-dollar deal France had signed with Australia.
So it's about money and not about life and death. The article is very short on details and I wonder how justified France is in their anger. It seems like these kind of massive weapon deals are always a bit contentious.
i mean
of course it's about money
Yep. And, I have said it before, that deal was getting blasted hard on the Australian press thanks to cost inflations and delays. Which was fine when Australia didn't actually needed those subs, but now they do. So.
“This is far more than just a diplomatic spat, the withdrawal of ambassadors is the tip of the iceberg,” Peter Ricketts, a former permanent undersecretary at the Foreign Office and former UK ambassador to France, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
“There is a deep sense of betrayal in France because this wasn’t just an arms contract, this was France setting up a strategic partnership with Australia and the Australians have now thrown that away and negotiated behind the backs of France with two Nato allies, the US and UK, to replace it with a completely different contract.
“For the French this looks like a complete failure of trust between allies and calls into doubt what is Nato for. This puts a big rift down the middle of the Nato alliance … Britain needs a functioning Nato alliance.”
Ricketts added: “I think people underestimated the impact that this would have in France and how this would seem as a humiliation and betrayal in a year President Macron is running for election in a very tight race with the far right.”
This is in a context of the deal being attacked on the Australian press for months thanks to delays and cost increases. So the french diplomatic corps and the Macron administration were shown as particulary incompetent:
Nathalie Goulet, an opposition member and vice-president of the French Sénat’s foreign affairs, defence and armed forces commission, said the situation was “very disturbing”.
“Someone should have warned before this breach of contract … I don’t understand this couldn’t have happened overnight,” she said.
“It’s a failure for industry, intelligence and communication and a public humiliation … and nobody likes to be humiliated, even the French.”
All of this in an election year. And people think that imperial delusions are unique to the UK.
“This is far more than just a diplomatic spat, the withdrawal of ambassadors is the tip of the iceberg,” Peter Ricketts, a former permanent undersecretary at the Foreign Office and former UK ambassador to France, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.
“There is a deep sense of betrayal in France because this wasn’t just an arms contract, this was France setting up a strategic partnership with Australia and the Australians have now thrown that away and negotiated behind the backs of France with two Nato allies, the US and UK, to replace it with a completely different contract.
“For the French this looks like a complete failure of trust between allies and calls into doubt what is Nato for. This puts a big rift down the middle of the Nato alliance … Britain needs a functioning Nato alliance.”
Ricketts added: “I think people underestimated the impact that this would have in France and how this would seem as a humiliation and betrayal in a year President Macron is running for election in a very tight race with the far right.”
This is in a context of the deal being attacked on the Australian press for months thanks to delays and cost increases. So the french diplomatic corps and the Macron administration were shown as particulary incompetent:
Nathalie Goulet, an opposition member and vice-president of the French Sénat’s foreign affairs, defence and armed forces commission, said the situation was “very disturbing”.
“Someone should have warned before this breach of contract … I don’t understand this couldn’t have happened overnight,” she said.
“It’s a failure for industry, intelligence and communication and a public humiliation … and nobody likes to be humiliated, even the French.”
All of this in an election year. And people think that imperial delusions are unique to the UK.
yeah this might be catastrophic, honestly. if the far right wins, france will probably exit the EU and NATO and maybe even align with Russia directly
Edit: if you wanted to design the perfect move to make france re-consider NATO even more than they already have after 4 years of Trump, this would be it.
Do you have any sources or background articles about actual support of a Frexit in France? There's been a lot of talk by extreme right wing politicians about breaking up the EU, but when it was asked in polls there was never much a movement for it here in The Netherlands. Not all talking points of the fascists resonate strongly with the electorate. France - like most democracies - is not run solely by one political party, so even if FN would garner much support, they could not act on a whim.
Personally, I'm rather reluctant to doomsay from Australia not honoring agreements --> France joins forces with Russia.
...is there any reason for any French person who isn't a death merchant to give a rat's ass about this?
It was the biggest arms deal in french history, so it would've probably created a ton of highly qualified jobs.
It was also part of french security strategy, not "just" an arms deal for money, and moreso when france now got fucked by australia, the uk and the us working together to fuck them over - supposedly all allies, sometimes even called "friends".
Since France, contrary to the other continental european states, has a "robust" foreign policy, this is also all stuff the common french people will know about.
This together with the french being a very VERY proud people is a recipe for mega disaster. They won't forget this in a long long time.
Do you have any sources or background articles about actual support of a Frexit in France? There's been a lot of talk by extreme right wing politicians about breaking up the EU, but when it was asked in polls there was never much a movement for it here in The Netherlands. Not all talking points of the fascists resonate strongly with the electorate. France - like most democracies - is not run solely by one political party, so even if FN would garner much support, they could not act on a whim.
Personally, I'm rather reluctant to doomsay from Australia not honoring agreements --> France joins forces with Russia.
youre forgetting that russia still very actively tries to influnce other states' elections. this is extremely juicy propaganda fodder, and something that plays very well for the FN. Of course it's a worst case scenario, but I really don't see how this is a good decision from a US standpoint. They should've involved france in a solution instead of very clearly just letting them out to dry.
It's a bit weird to imagine a country's people throwing a fit over a military contract falling through. The wealthy and powerful and news media seeking to profit from it, sure.
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Reading The Adventures of Stefan Löfven, I'm vastly ignorant, but people shouldn't be demanding the resignation of the leadership of the opposition parties after that particulary humilliating defeat?
the opposition parties are largely cult based so it's tricky
Do...do they all have the same face?
Norway is part of the EEC and Schengen, but not EU. Major oil and gas exporter. Also fish, timber, rocks (yes, really), aluminium.
The election system (very different from the US, quite different from most of Europe):
As long as your party gets enough votes in that district to get at least one candidate in, you're golden.
But, what if you're a small party, and fall below in many districts. E.g., Rødt ("Red") is about 5% in my district, but would need to at least double to get a representative.
Well, if your party gets at least 4% of the national vote, that party will get leveling seats. These special seats are given out to ensure that the Parliament better represents the national average. (Parties less than 4% are not eligible, but can still get MPs if they are popular enough in at least one district). This scheme explicitly favors small but not miniscule parties, by design.
Last election, Rødt got 1 MP and less than 2.5% nationally. This election, they might get 5% and 8 seats (1 normally and 7 through leveling). Although the more normal is to go from 2–3 MPs (just below 4%) to 5–7 MPs (just above 4%).
Minority government is quite common. There is no explicit vote of confidence, but they can be thrown out with a vote of no confidence or equivalent (e.g., not getting budget to pass). That does not trigger a new election; the new majority must try to form a government. Elections happen once every 4 years not matter what. Colation governemtns are also quite common.
The parties
All parties are pro welfare. Left wants to fund via taxes, right via the vast, vast accumulated oil money (currently invested in international companies).
Left wants governmentally owned services (school, hospitals, etc), right wants private competitors.
Current government is an uneasy minority right alliance of Høyre (conservative), KrF (schitzofrenic Christians), and Venstre (liberals). FrP (right populists) supports (kinda) and departed government right before the pandemic hit.
Current prognosis is a majority coalition of left SV (socialists), AP (labor), and SP (rural populists). But the real nail-biter is if they need support from Rødt (communists) or MDG (greens).
AP (Labor) has been my traditional party, but this year I went for SV (socialists) on environmental reasons. (I actually turn out to be more in agreement with MDG (greens), but they do not have great odds of being in a position to affect policy.)
Latest poll. (Gray is "others", i.e., no-hopers.)
Last election (2017):
And not the good human sacrifice kind of cult either.
You won't hear a single "Cthulhu Phtagn" from these guys.
IIRC aren't they mostly crazy Archconservative?
Percentage national (MPs):
Arbeiderpartiet "Labor" 26,6 (48)
Sp "Center" 14,6 (26)
SV "Socialist" 7,7 (14)
Rødt "Red" 5 (9)
MDG "Greens" 4,2 (7)
Høyre "Right" 18,7 (38)
Frp "Progress" 11,2 (20)
KrF "Christians" 3,9 (3)
Venstre "Left" 3,5 (3).
Also, Pasientlista ("Patients") looks to get 1 MP. Never heard of them before.
Note the difference in MPs between KrF (just below 4%) and MDG (just above 4%): 3 MPs vs 7 MPs.
Good news: Political right is underperforming (vs polls). Bad news: My second least favorite party (SP) is overperforming.
Things will surely change, though. We should get final results tonight, although I won't stay up to wait for the final score.
mostly they are the Swedish Democrats, who are actual Nazis, KD which is the cooky Christian party, and the Liberals, which seem to be more Libertarian than Liberal
so, yeah, not a hip and classy frenemy kind of opposition
The hard hitting important stuff!
You make it sound like you can currently fuck your siblings but it's taxed. Which, in fairness, sounds like something the Swedish government might at least have contemplated at some point.
Alt: Liberals are trying to court that all-important Lannister vote, I see.
you can either fuck your siblings or pay low taxes
but not both
Well
Why shouldn't they
Yuck. Guess that answers why Löfven stayed as much as he wanted.
Because high taxes fund the public service system.
Votes:
MPs:
Changes are since last election (2017). Note that parliament is unicamberial. We only have a lower house.
Ed: New record in female MPs: 47%.
AP (labor), SP (rural populists) and SV (socialists) have absolute majority, jointly. Government will either be AP + SP + SV (most likely), or AP + SP with support either from SV or case-by-case basis. AP will get PM.
MDG (greens) fell below 4%, which cost them 4 MPs (7 vs 3). Krf (christians) fell below 4% for the first time in generations. The one "others" party (PF) who got an MP has exactly one point in their party manifesto: Don't close the local hospital in Alta (pop 15,500).
This year, my choice was MDG (with whom I most agree) or SV (decent second place). If AP + SP + SV didn't get a collective majority, and MDG got above 4% nationally, that would have been the best use of my vote. If either of those things didn't happen, SV would be my best choice. So I hedged my bets and went for SV.
The party ballots are sorted by candidates. First candidate, second candidate, etc. in that district. (Order determined by the parties themselves). And they get into parliament based on the order.
You can technically write in candidates from other parties, or change the order of them, but it never has any impact.
I'm not sure what exactly this joke refers to, but I do genuinely think that supposedly enlightened Western democracies criminalizing consensual sexual behaviour is quite odious.
presumably the joke would be aimed at those who think the most important thing to fight for right now is the right to fuck their siblings
Well, yes, but I assume there has been some sort of incident which caused the poster to jokingly refer to this political party as one that stands up for the right to consensually fuck your sibling. I am very much unfamiliar with Swedish politics, but I doubt that this is an actual core aspect of their party platform.
The youth wing was arguing for decriminalizing incest between consenting siblings ("it's legal for step-siblings"), necrophilia (given consent in your will), and bestiality (with the argument that existing animal abuse laws were enough).
That was five-ish years ago and they kind of got blasted for it, though.
Ah, I see. That does sound like something that wasn't very smart to do, politically speaking, given that it's the perfect collection of edgy subjects that cause thought-overriding feelings of disgust in voters' minds. I wonder why they thought that discussing these topics was a good idea.
For what it's worth, another thing they were going for at the same time was legalizing weed.
At the same time as they were talking about legalizing incest, necrophilia, and bestiality.
Yeah. Bad optics.
One of the candidates for chancellor replies to children asking questions.
He gets super pissy in the process, and now has been crying for days about how unfair the interview was-
The interview his team knew all details about previously, so either his team is bad and prepared him badly, or he ignored his team. Both pretty bad for someone who wants to lead a country
But that's the level the election race is currently on. Which is also pathetic
Also what I didn't expect before this election is that the conservatives are actually running a an actual serious red scare campaign in 2021.
France are very annoyed indeed.
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3
i mean
of course it's about money
Yep. And, I have said it before, that deal was getting blasted hard on the Australian press thanks to cost inflations and delays. Which was fine when Australia didn't actually needed those subs, but now they do. So.
This is in a context of the deal being attacked on the Australian press for months thanks to delays and cost increases. So the french diplomatic corps and the Macron administration were shown as particulary incompetent:
All of this in an election year. And people think that imperial delusions are unique to the UK.
yeah this might be catastrophic, honestly. if the far right wins, france will probably exit the EU and NATO and maybe even align with Russia directly
Edit: if you wanted to design the perfect move to make france re-consider NATO even more than they already have after 4 years of Trump, this would be it.
Personally, I'm rather reluctant to doomsay from Australia not honoring agreements --> France joins forces with Russia.
It was the biggest arms deal in french history, so it would've probably created a ton of highly qualified jobs.
It was also part of french security strategy, not "just" an arms deal for money, and moreso when france now got fucked by australia, the uk and the us working together to fuck them over - supposedly all allies, sometimes even called "friends".
Since France, contrary to the other continental european states, has a "robust" foreign policy, this is also all stuff the common french people will know about.
This together with the french being a very VERY proud people is a recipe for mega disaster. They won't forget this in a long long time.
National honor?
youre forgetting that russia still very actively tries to influnce other states' elections. this is extremely juicy propaganda fodder, and something that plays very well for the FN. Of course it's a worst case scenario, but I really don't see how this is a good decision from a US standpoint. They should've involved france in a solution instead of very clearly just letting them out to dry.