H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited October 2021
Lucina's more fun to play as than Marth. No fiddly tipper mechanics*. If they had to cut one, I'd rather keep her than him. Ditto Daisy, who's a lot more lively and animated than Peach. Or Ken, who's always been more fun and cool than Ryu.
*Which never really made sense to me because his sword, the Falchion (which weirdly isn't a falchion), is not built specifically for thrusting like a rapier or an estoc. Depending on the art, it's either a longsword or knightly arming sword, and in either case which part of the sword you hit with wouldn't matter a whole lot as the sharpened edges typically ran almost the full length of the blade.
Name the characters they could use who don't use swords.
Half points if they just use guns instead.
Captain Toad, Waluigi, King Boo, Eggman, Megaman X's Sigma, Domino's the Noid, any of the Fire Emblem dudes that use an Axe, a moogle, an F-Zero villain, Sub Zero, Scorpion, a Guilty Gear rep, that flying clown from Dreamcast, Diablo (much as I dislike Blizzard right now,) Lara Croft, there are thousands regardless of console, PC, whatever.
Sigma used a sword in the fight you have with him in Megaman X, and he also uses his sword in most of his moves in his appearance in Marvel vs Capcom Infinite. The Guilty Gear rep would 100% be Sol Badguy, noted anime swordboy.
Edit: The other most likely GG rep would be Ky Kiske, who is more anime and more sword than even Sol Badguy.
Yeah, the literal only two pòssibilities for a GG rep are Sol or Ky, and believe you me when I say that Ky would be WAY more Standard Swordsperson than the likes of Byleth or Robin.
Honestly speaking, the whole sameyness thing always felt overstated. Really, my only complaint on Fire Emblem characters is the Marths. Marth's not even a fun character as is, he's literally just Fair The Character 90% of the time, we don't need four Marths! Throw out the lot, keep Lucina as rep for the Marth squad because she's more or less literally Marth But From A Game People Actually Played.
But the nonclone FE squad is really quitesolid. Byleth is actually pretty fun to play, and while I can't play Corrin for balls, he's definitely unique.
I-No would be a pretty iconic GG rep with a very different fighting style, but admittedly it would be a huge long-shot for anyone other than Sol.
Sol could be set up to have a pretty interesting move set since he focuses on punches, grabs, and fire just as much as he does on using his sword (which he holds reverse grip, unlike any other fighters) but at the end of the day a lot of people might find him too similar to Terry/Ken
That said, I don't think a Guilty Gear rep was ever very likely. Terry is representing all of SNK and Kazuya is representing basically all 3D fighters. You could argue that Sol would be representing all anime fighters? That's still very niche compared to the other reps.
Granted, this is all very theoretical. I don't think we're getting another Smash game for another decade or more. Probably the next Smash release will be an exclusively graphical update of Ultimate for the next major Nintendo console. If they add any extra characters in that, they'll probably just be echoes or Piranha Plant tier minor Nintendo characters.
My prediction is that if Nintendo wants to continue to flex their ability to magnet up big-name third-party characters, they'll start throwing them en-masse into the next Mario Kart, since they've already started treating the roster like Smash.
+1
Options
Brainiac 8Don't call me Shirley...Registered Userregular
Just wanted to post this. Someone did a pretty great farewell Tribute to Sakurai and SSBU.
"hella floaty" does seem to be like, the core of sora's design lol
+7
Options
KoopahTroopahThe koopas, the troopas.Philadelphia, PARegistered Userregular
It could also be that I've been playing Nick Brawl recently which is insanely fast with SHFFLEs and wave dashing. Its a big change coming back to Ultimate.
Overall, I like him and I'm excited to get some online games in tomorrow. :biggrin:
All Fighters - Made it so opponents that fall down in place due to Kazuya's side special cannot be stepped on when jumping.
Jigglypuff
Neutral Attack 2 Reduced vulnerability.
Back Air Attack Reduced vulnerability.
Reduced vulnerability when landing.
Downward Throw Shortened the launch distance.
Reduced vulnerability.
Dr. Mario
Neutral Air Attack Extended launch distance for the high-damage window.
Up Air Attack Increased attack power and maintained launch distance.
Down Air Attack Increased attack speed.
Side Special Increased the amount of time hit detection lasts.
Down Special Increased the speed that super armor activates when using the move on the ground.
Zelda
Neutral Attack 1 Reduced vulnerability.
Flurry Attack Increased power.
Up Smash Attack Extended launch distance.
Down Smash Attack Extended launch distance.
Down Air Attack Increased the high-damage range.
Lucario
Dash Attack Extended the duration of the high-damage part of the attack.
Increased the high-damage range.
Side Tilt Attack Extended launch distance of the second attack.
Down Tilt Attack Increased attack speed.
Rosalina & Luma
Down Smash Attack Luma will appear in front of Rosalina when using the move and turning around.
Extended launch distance for Luma's attack.
Side Special Luma will follow you when using the move in the air.
Little Mac
Up Tilt Attack Extended the duration of an opponent's animation when they are struck by this attack.
Side Smash Attack Increased power against shields when using the move with down input.
Neutral Special Extended launch distance.
Reduced vulnerability when using the move on the ground.
Increased speed so it will be faster to use the move.
Made so the second button press can be input in advance.
Up Special Extended launch distance of the last attack.
Down Special Increased the amount that attack power will increase.
Ridley
Side Special Shortened the time between the slamming/dragging animations and when another jump can be input.
King K. Rool
Up Tilt Attack Increased power.
Extended launch distance.
Side Smash Attack Increased the amount of time hit detection lasts.
Increased the range at the beginning of the move.
Forward Air Attack Reduced vulnerability.
Up Throw Extended launch distance.
Isabelle
Down Tilt Attack Reduced vulnerability.
Side Smash Attack Extended the duration of the high-damage part of the attack.
Down Smash Attack Extended launch distance.
Increased attack range.
Forward Throw Extended launch distance.
Incineroar
Down Smash Attack Increased power.
Extended launch distance.
Up Air Attack Increased attack power and maintained launch distance.
Up Special Increased attack power and maintained launch distance of the high-damage window while descending.
Increased attack power and maintained launch distance of the high-damage window for the explosion.
Joker
Final Smash Shortened the downtime after finishing the Final Smash.
Hero
Final Smash Shortened the downtime after finishing the Final Smash.
The fight wouldn’t be such a wisdom tooth if it weren’t a stamina match, but they can just cluster together and combo turtles into bug spray until I lose 70 HP.
Sora seems fun and I can see him being popular, but I'm not expecting him to make waves in tournaments. Still waaaay too early to actually be sure about that, but it's hard to imagine it with how slow and floaty he is. He's got a lot of really good moves though, so I look forward to seeing what people figure out with him.
I haven't played in 3 years, but I'm curious, are upper echelon players crazy good at perfect shield/parrying now? That was one fear I had at the game's launch that it was only a matter of time before people become crazy good at perfect shields. Then it'll turn into Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike where people just parry everything (I hate parrying as a mechanic) and it's all super lame.
I haven't played in 3 years, but I'm curious, are upper echelon players crazy good at perfect shield/parrying now? That was one fear I had at the game's launch that it was only a matter of time before people become crazy good at perfect shields. Then it'll turn into Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike where people just parry everything (I hate parrying as a mechanic) and it's all super lame.
Parrying is common, but because it's done in this game by dropping your shield (as opposed to every other Smash game), you can punish people for trying to parry by doing a delayed attack somehow. I wouldn't say that it gets used excessively at the top level, but it's more common against some characters who don't have multi hit moves or a good way of punishing you for trying.
0
Options
The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
edited October 2021
Aye, parrying is generally only used widely against characters with very obvious timings to how they approach you. ROB and Ike nairs are the big offenders because you know they want it and you can see it coming. Those options are good enough you still do it for all the times they don't parry but if you're particularly good at it it's a real thorn in the side.
The upper echelon isn't as good as they should be three years later because they lost and year and change of in-person events to continue grinding and improving at it. Parrying reliably online is extremely difficult, and if you learn how to do it you're seriously messing up your muscle memory for doing it offline. As-is, you rarely see top 8 sets being determined by parries.
Rivals of Aether, another platform fighter, completely ditches shield for a (very laggy) parry button. I prefer that a lot more, personally, because it gives an outlet for punishing someone for being predictable that doesn't require me to properly space a punish (something I'm bad at). And also all the characters I play are awful out of shield so that gives me a bias against the system. But similarly, parrying in that game is weak to someone just landing next to you, watching you parry, and then hitting their optimal combo/kill confirm because now you're just standing there like a dummy. In smash it's mostly just adding another layer to the shield waiting game—hit them as soon as you can, wait for parry, wait for spot dodge.
So, slight disappointment. It looks like if you play on Hollow Bastion in a Timed Stock battle (that is, what a lot of players go to when playing 1v1 duels), it doesn't morph into Dive to The Heart unless the timer runs low. It seems the transformation on low stocks only happens in a pure stock battle.
Sora is pretty fun. Very floaty, but I love some of his attacks. I've found that his down-throw can pretty reliably lead into his forward air combo at low-mid damage percentage. And when damage gets to high, you can just switch to back throws for distance.
So, slight disappointment. It looks like if you play on Hollow Bastion in a Timed Stock battle (that is, what a lot of players go to when playing 1v1 duels), it doesn't morph into Dive to The Heart unless the timer runs low. It seems the transformation on low stocks only happens in a pure stock battle.
Damn, this is really disappointing. I noticed it didn't transform in the games I played last night, but I didn't know if it happens as soon as one person is on their last stock or if both people need to be. Regardless, not sure what's going to happen with stage selection. Hollow Bastian is "literally FD, with a platform", which isn't exciting, but it's definitely a good stage. Kinda redundant though with Smashville, which is a smaller stage with different blastzones (smaller on the side because the stage itself is smaller, but Smashville has a higher ceiling). I like the platform height on Hollow Bastian more, though; Smashville's being so high has always bothered me.
So, slight disappointment. It looks like if you play on Hollow Bastion in a Timed Stock battle (that is, what a lot of players go to when playing 1v1 duels), it doesn't morph into Dive to The Heart unless the timer runs low. It seems the transformation on low stocks only happens in a pure stock battle.
Yeah, Sakurai specifically mentioned that.
Nintendo Console Codes
Switch (JeffConser): SW-3353-5433-5137 Wii U: Skeldare - 3DS: 1848-1663-9345
PM Me if you add me!
I remember that he said it would happen at low time, or low stocks. But I don't think I recall the discussion mentioning which one took priority in a timed stock battle.
I haven't played in 3 years, but I'm curious, are upper echelon players crazy good at perfect shield/parrying now? That was one fear I had at the game's launch that it was only a matter of time before people become crazy good at perfect shields. Then it'll turn into Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike where people just parry everything (I hate parrying as a mechanic) and it's all super lame.
Online for a year makes this hard to say for sure, but it mostly punishes stuff like projectiles or more obvious animations/reads. People aren’t parrying even a quarter of the moves that hit their shield, as it’s safer to stay in shield and use whatever OOS option you have which most competitive characters will have at least one.
But yeah, if you spam fireballs or pk fire then they’re going to walk up to you parrying practically every shot
According to Sakurai's latest column, Sora was a last-minute addition. Originally the second fighter's pass was set at just the previous five fighters we know now, then he ran into a Disney executive at an awards show. That started looooooooong discussions between Nintendo, Squeenix, and Disney, which led to Sora happening.
Switch: 3947-4890-9293
+12
Options
KoopahTroopahThe koopas, the troopas.Philadelphia, PARegistered Userregular
According to Sakurai's latest column, Sora was a last-minute addition. Originally the second fighter's pass was set at just the previous five fighters we know now, then he ran into a Disney executive at an awards show. That started looooooooong discussions between Nintendo, Squeenix, and Disney, which led to Sora happening.
Networking is 9 tenths of the job... as shown above. Glad he was able to get it done though!
How fitting that Sora would be the result of a chance meeting between executives. IIRC, the story for how Kingdom Hearts itself got pitched starts in a similar fashion.
I’m surprised talks were that recent. I had assumed they began in the Wii U days and there was a lot of negotiation, and maybe Disney didn’t want Sora on the lackluster Wii U, etc.
lol Sakurai tweeted a picture of his cat playing with an among us bean guy, saying something like "it's nice production is over so I can post stuff like this again without it being a problem"
I’m surprised talks were that recent. I had assumed they began in the Wii U days and there was a lot of negotiation, and maybe Disney didn’t want Sora on the lackluster Wii U, etc.
It could just be that everyone assumed Sora would be a licensing nightmare and didn't want to try, but that chance meeting managed to get the ball rolling. I mean, just Squeenix themselves were a gigantic pain in the ass to work with before you throw in Disney.
Yikes, I didn't realize that both fighter passes together are like $60 US together. I think I'll wait a while for a sale for everything. Just feels weird to have this game and not have all the characters at your disposal.
3ds: 4983-4935-4575
0
Options
jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I wouldn't wait for a Nintendo game to go on sale.
+12
Options
KoopahTroopahThe koopas, the troopas.Philadelphia, PARegistered Userregular
And also, it's a ton of characters and stages and music etc... It's worth the money if you like the game IMO.
Nintendo of America @NintendoAmerica
Confirmed. Ready your A-game, Super #SmashBros competitors. We've partnered with @PandaGlobal to launch the first officially licensed Super Smash Bros. championship circuit in North America, coming 2022!
#SmashBrosUltimate #SmashBrosMelee
Nintendo is finally officially sponsoring and licensing a Smash circuit, for Ultimate and Melee.
Speaking of Smashlikes, that long-rumored Warner Bros mashup thing was announced. It'll be free to play but supported by in-game purchases. Also it'll be season-based, with new characters added as things go along. The roster so far:
Batman, voiced by Kevin Conroy
Superman, voiced by George Newbern
Wonder Woman, voiced by Abby Trott
Harley Quinn, voiced by Tara Strong
Shaggy (Scooby-Doo), voiced by Matthew Lillard
Bugs Bunny (Looney Tunes), voiced by Eric Bauza
Arya Stark (Game of Thrones), voiced by Maisie Williams
Jake the Dog (Adventure Time), voiced by John DiMaggio
Finn the Human (Adventure Time), voiced by Jeremy Shada
Steven Universe, voiced by Daniel DiVenere
Garnet (Steven Universe), voiced by Estelle
Tom and Jerry, voiced by Eric Bauza
Reindog (an original character for MultiVersus), voiced by Andrew Frankel
On the one hand, I can't wait to play that. It looks ridiculous. On the other hand, free to play coming from a massive company like WB makes me think they'll use it to mine cryptocurrency.
I feel like there's a weird gap in properties here. Like, between Scooby Doo and Adventure Time, there's a period of time where they had quite a few well known and liked shows that isn't really represented by anyone but the DC characters (if we're to assume that Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman can represent the DCAU). You know, shows like Animaniacs, Freakazoid, and Dexter's Lab. I feel like they could do with a few reps from that time as well.
On the one hand, I can't wait to play that. It looks ridiculous. On the other hand, free to play coming from a massive company like WB makes me think they'll use it to mine cryptocurrency.
Hm. I think it's more likely that they may throw out a ton of cosmetics and stuff that's both time-limited and real money only. Will remain to be seen if they're out of randomly-rolled boxes, too.
I feel like there's a weird gap in properties here. Like, between Scooby Doo and Adventure Time, there's a period of time where they had quite a few well known and liked shows that isn't really represented by anyone but the DC characters (if we're to assume that Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman can represent the DCAU). You know, shows like Animaniacs, Freakazoid, and Dexter's Lab. I feel like they could do with a few reps from that time as well.
On the one hand, I can't wait to play that. It looks ridiculous. On the other hand, free to play coming from a massive company like WB makes me think they'll use it to mine cryptocurrency.
Hm. I think it's more likely that they may throw out a ton of cosmetics and stuff that's both time-limited and real money only. Will remain to be seen if they're out of randomly-rolled boxes, too.
They also refer to it as an ever-expanding roster. So it could get insane if the game takes off. I mean, Samurai Jack, Venture Brothers, Metalocalypse, Courage, Space Ghost.
If they're going to do it, I hope they go absolutely bonkers with it.
Buddy and Freddy vs Ed, Edd, and Eddy. That kind of bonkers.
Posts
Like, she gets collapsed into Marth’s character slot, if you use that option for the character select menu.
It's been a while since I paid attention and I may be conflating a few games rosters here...
3DS: 0473-8507-2652
Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
PSN: AbEntropy
*Which never really made sense to me because his sword, the Falchion (which weirdly isn't a falchion), is not built specifically for thrusting like a rapier or an estoc. Depending on the art, it's either a longsword or knightly arming sword, and in either case which part of the sword you hit with wouldn't matter a whole lot as the sharpened edges typically ran almost the full length of the blade.
I-No would be a pretty iconic GG rep with a very different fighting style, but admittedly it would be a huge long-shot for anyone other than Sol.
Sol could be set up to have a pretty interesting move set since he focuses on punches, grabs, and fire just as much as he does on using his sword (which he holds reverse grip, unlike any other fighters) but at the end of the day a lot of people might find him too similar to Terry/Ken
That said, I don't think a Guilty Gear rep was ever very likely. Terry is representing all of SNK and Kazuya is representing basically all 3D fighters. You could argue that Sol would be representing all anime fighters? That's still very niche compared to the other reps.
Granted, this is all very theoretical. I don't think we're getting another Smash game for another decade or more. Probably the next Smash release will be an exclusively graphical update of Ultimate for the next major Nintendo console. If they add any extra characters in that, they'll probably just be echoes or Piranha Plant tier minor Nintendo characters.
My prediction is that if Nintendo wants to continue to flex their ability to magnet up big-name third-party characters, they'll start throwing them en-masse into the next Mario Kart, since they've already started treating the roster like Smash.
Nintendo Network ID - Brainiac_8
PSN - Brainiac_8
Steam - http://steamcommunity.com/id/BRAINIAC8/
Add me!
First impressions is Sora feels hella floaty, but controls pretty well otherwise.
Twitch: KoopahTroopah - Steam: Koopah
Overall, I like him and I'm excited to get some online games in tomorrow. :biggrin:
Twitch: KoopahTroopah - Steam: Koopah
Twitch: KoopahTroopah - Steam: Koopah
It's the go-to example when I think about floaty combat. I actually can't think of anything else in the genre that compares off the top of my head.
Do you at least get Pikachu with the wizard hat costume and a Star Rod showing up?
You know whose friends are his power?
Mr. Game and Watch, and his 8 buddies, goddamn.
The fight wouldn’t be such a wisdom tooth if it weren’t a stamina match, but they can just cluster together and combo turtles into bug spray until I lose 70 HP.
Parrying is common, but because it's done in this game by dropping your shield (as opposed to every other Smash game), you can punish people for trying to parry by doing a delayed attack somehow. I wouldn't say that it gets used excessively at the top level, but it's more common against some characters who don't have multi hit moves or a good way of punishing you for trying.
The upper echelon isn't as good as they should be three years later because they lost and year and change of in-person events to continue grinding and improving at it. Parrying reliably online is extremely difficult, and if you learn how to do it you're seriously messing up your muscle memory for doing it offline. As-is, you rarely see top 8 sets being determined by parries.
Rivals of Aether, another platform fighter, completely ditches shield for a (very laggy) parry button. I prefer that a lot more, personally, because it gives an outlet for punishing someone for being predictable that doesn't require me to properly space a punish (something I'm bad at). And also all the characters I play are awful out of shield so that gives me a bias against the system. But similarly, parrying in that game is weak to someone just landing next to you, watching you parry, and then hitting their optimal combo/kill confirm because now you're just standing there like a dummy. In smash it's mostly just adding another layer to the shield waiting game—hit them as soon as you can, wait for parry, wait for spot dodge.
Sora is pretty fun. Very floaty, but I love some of his attacks. I've found that his down-throw can pretty reliably lead into his forward air combo at low-mid damage percentage. And when damage gets to high, you can just switch to back throws for distance.
Yeah, Sakurai specifically mentioned that.
Switch (JeffConser): SW-3353-5433-5137 Wii U: Skeldare - 3DS: 1848-1663-9345
PM Me if you add me!
But yeah, if you spam fireballs or pk fire then they’re going to walk up to you parrying practically every shot
Networking is 9 tenths of the job... as shown above. Glad he was able to get it done though!
Twitch: KoopahTroopah - Steam: Koopah
It could just be that everyone assumed Sora would be a licensing nightmare and didn't want to try, but that chance meeting managed to get the ball rolling. I mean, just Squeenix themselves were a gigantic pain in the ass to work with before you throw in Disney.
Twitch: KoopahTroopah - Steam: Koopah
That's how subscriptions generally work
Nintendo is finally officially sponsoring and licensing a Smash circuit, for Ultimate and Melee.
Batman, voiced by Kevin Conroy
Superman, voiced by George Newbern
Wonder Woman, voiced by Abby Trott
Harley Quinn, voiced by Tara Strong
Shaggy (Scooby-Doo), voiced by Matthew Lillard
Bugs Bunny (Looney Tunes), voiced by Eric Bauza
Arya Stark (Game of Thrones), voiced by Maisie Williams
Jake the Dog (Adventure Time), voiced by John DiMaggio
Finn the Human (Adventure Time), voiced by Jeremy Shada
Steven Universe, voiced by Daniel DiVenere
Garnet (Steven Universe), voiced by Estelle
Tom and Jerry, voiced by Eric Bauza
Reindog (an original character for MultiVersus), voiced by Andrew Frankel
This is Player First Games', uh, first game, so who knows if it'll be any good. Coming everywhere except Switch for some reason.
twitch.tv/Taramoor
@TaramoorPlays
Taramoor on Youtube
Hm. I think it's more likely that they may throw out a ton of cosmetics and stuff that's both time-limited and real money only. Will remain to be seen if they're out of randomly-rolled boxes, too.
They also refer to it as an ever-expanding roster. So it could get insane if the game takes off. I mean, Samurai Jack, Venture Brothers, Metalocalypse, Courage, Space Ghost.
If they're going to do it, I hope they go absolutely bonkers with it.
Buddy and Freddy vs Ed, Edd, and Eddy. That kind of bonkers.
twitch.tv/Taramoor
@TaramoorPlays
Taramoor on Youtube