I have just realised than there's an unused vent shaft running right next to my painting desk.
Seems like I might hook up a fan to it, attach some pipes, a filter and then even a cardboard box would let me spray right in the room. Do you think this is a good idea? Anybody has experience with building something like that?
Is this in a house, condo, or an apartment? If the latter, you want to make absolutely sure that vent isn't leading somewhere you don't want the fumes to go.
I have just realised than there's an unused vent shaft running right next to my painting desk.
Seems like I might hook up a fan to it, attach some pipes, a filter and then even a cardboard box would let me spray right in the room. Do you think this is a good idea? Anybody has experience with building something like that?
Is this in a house, condo, or an apartment? If the latter, you want to make absolutely sure that vent isn't leading somewhere you don't want the fumes to go.
Double check this, and if you're in the clear, I can show my vent system that I installed for my Glowforge (that's in the same interior room as my paint bench). I mean, I'll show it regardless, because sharing is fun!
I can post up pics and diagrams of my vent system later today.
Yeah, it's my house, still not finished though. The vent goes right up to a chimney, I'm definitely in the clear in that regard. Looking forward to seeing your system!
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NipsHe/HimLuxuriating in existential crisis.Registered Userregular
edited November 2021
Okay! The system is pretty simple, but there's a couple things I've learned that are worth mentioning.
For the sake of effingLOLhuge pictures, I'mma just spoiler all this.
So here's an overly-simple diagram of the vent situation I've built:
I have a Glowforge ("Equipment") that needs to vent its Fun Fumes. In the use case we're talking here, a paint booth replaces it. Now, depending on the distance of your vent run and some other variables, your booth may or may not need its own fan. You can try to do a bunch of fancy math to figure out static and kinetic air pressures and volumes and what not, math I'm convinced no one on the planet actually knows how it works, or you can experimentally trial-and-error this business. That part's up to you.
At any rate, more pictures:
Glowforge and Vertical Vent Pipe. I've used the aluminum-skin accordion-style pipe here just for ease of connection and disconnection at the machine, but it would be better served by a run of solid vent tube; the accordion-style stuff loses a lot of air velocity, so if you're venting over a very long run you'll want to avoid it where you can.
Accordion-tube connected to a 45-degree connector to a solid vent tube (barely visible). My workspace is on a lower level, so the venting runs parallel with the floor joists (...mostly...).
The Horizontal Tubes on either side of the In-Line Fan. I'm using an AC Infinity Cloudline Series T6 In-Line Fan, which is maybe a bit of a overkill (it's a 6" inlet/outlet fan I've used reducers to connect to 4" tube), but I wanted to be absolutely sure the air was venting out of the house. Again, Fun Fumes. A simple paint booth using an airbrush probably won't need this level of OOMPH, but again, lots of variables about air flow and distance and cubic-feet-per-minute and whatnot.
End of the run, with another accordion-style tube to the exterior vent cover of the house. I would have preferred to use a solid tube here for most of the run, but 1) it's a pretty short run and 2) getting a solid tube up in around that existing water/gas/electrical pipe and conduit, and then get it all connected right, would have been an absolute bear.
A couple more notes:
-Depending on how your vent stack is going to actually exhaust to the exterior, you may need to consider having a backdraft blocker in the line of the vent tube somewhere. Basically, if there's any chance something might blow into your exhaust system while it's inactive, you'll want/need something to stop it. Including one does however reduce some airflow pressure in the system. I had one in my setup, but ended up taking it out because of where it was located and what else I was trying to accomplish with the system.
-The required size of any in-line fan you use will really depend on the lengths of your vent tubing, and if you need to make any turns in the run. As a point of comparison, most typical bathroom vent fans run between 50 to 200 CFM (cubic-feet-per-minute, the amount of air they move) whereas this AC Infinity fan pulls 400 CFM. Again, maybe overkill, but what I didn't show in pictures is some really gnarly 90-degree turns I had to include to make things fit to accomplish what I was aiming for here.
At any rate, if you've got any questions about all that there, I'm happy to share what I know. I'm curious about this vent-to-chimney situation you're mentioning, that might require extra considerations.
I'm curious about this vent-to-chimney situation you're mentioning, that might require extra considerations.
I might have used the wrong word or this might be a matter of difference in typical ventilation methods. In my climate, the traditional method of ventilation is letting the air flow in through small slits in windows and letting it out through a small opening next to the ceiling that leads to a vertical ventilation shaft that goes out through the roof. Basically it looks like this (the vent opening next to the ceiling is not pictured here):
Although in this case I might do the opening low above the desk, to allow for quick attachment of the spray booth. In that case the accordion tube would be very short (or I'd use a solid/rigid vent tube, as you suggested), and I'd just keep the vent opening closed at other times (the fresh air is supposed to flow to vents located in the bathroom, to ensure the flow is maintained across the whole house).
In this particular case the chimney contains two ventilation shafts and one smoke shaft for the fireplace located on the other side of the wall.
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Oh man, that's wild. I'd have to research more to understand how to hook into that without disturbing some other element of its operation.
In something more broadly appealing, I finished another model! This one's only been on my bench for a month(?), because I had a burning desire to knock it out.
It turns out, I am highly motivated by metallic purple paint.
A Starsiege Rebellion Cybrid Adjudicator, for your eye candy consumption.
NipsHe/HimLuxuriating in existential crisis.Registered Userregular
Hey y'all, looking for some input. I'm trying to put together a heavy body wash as a substitute to buying Basilicanum Grey Contrast paint for a scheme I'm aiming for. For those of you that have used the Contrast paint before, how do these test pieces look to you? Never having used Contrast, I can only judge by what I see online and I'm not sure if I'm hitting the mark with this wash.
White Vallejo Primer on the left, same on the right but also topcoated with Gloss Varnish before applying the wash.
A few more pics in the spoiler for different lights/angles and lolhuge.
Hey so if some plastic glue were to ooze out from between the two parts I’m pressing together and get onto the rest of the mini, how big a deal is that? Will primer more or less cover that up or will it be super obvious? Is there a way to clean it off?
Hey so if some plastic glue were to ooze out from between the two parts I’m pressing together and get onto the rest of the mini, how big a deal is that? Will primer more or less cover that up or will it be super obvious? Is there a way to clean it off?
Get a sanding sponge if you need to clean it up
I would look and see if you need to sand it down if after you prime it
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admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
edited November 2021
I hadn't painted in literal years but my local gaming group (ex-Warmachine/ex-X-Wing players) jumped on Marvel Crisis Protocol like starving hyenas and I got The Urge. Luckily all the Warcolours I dragged up were at worst partially dried up, my Raphael 8404s were capped and in good shape, and my hands... well, my hands are as shaky as ever, but that's nothing a beer can't solve*! I'm not the biggest Marvel fan, but the models are rewarding to paint, have a wide variety of different schemes and styles, and you only need 10 for a full roster.
I'm currently working on this model but I find the official scheme dull as hell, don't really like metallic paints, and don't want to paint that much NMM, so I got really ambitious and decided to paint it in the style of Unit-01. It has a long way to go, but so far it's not a disaster!
*am I the only one? Maybe it's my caffeine habit, but a single drink is the perfect antidote to shaky hands for me.
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USA Airbrush supply is having a big black friday pre-sale. 30% off a ton of stuff. I can get a big compressor with tank, air line and cleaning kit for like $300 w/ $60 shipping, when it would retail for just shy of $450. Its VERY tempting.
I wound up painting more than 2000 points by doing everything in Dominion but finally finished a complete, usable 2k list. I guess my desk isn't well lit enough to cover a whole army. Spoilered the additional units and stuff I hadn't shared on here.
I think I'm going to paint up Bastian and a couple more Dracothian guard for alternate list options but no rush on that.
Admanb, I REALLY like your Red Skull and Bullseye! Bring On The Bad Guys. Nicely done.
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NipsHe/HimLuxuriating in existential crisis.Registered Userregular
Knocked out another stompy bot for my buddy, this time using it as a test piece for a camo I'm going to do using that heavy body wash I made.
I'm not sure how well it reads, but there's dark grey bands circling the limbs and torso. I think I might need to push them to a darker grey, or go lighter on the wash in those spots/all over...or...or.... Not sure, needs investigation.
I don't know what that is, but I'm getting major Phantasy Star Online vibes from it.
Imagine a PSO tabletop game. Imagine the pain of having to paint 300 bright yellow/white Rag Rappies.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited November 2021
@SmokeStacks It's an Ultron (robot villain) mini for a Marvel skirmish miniatures game, painted like the main character Shinji Ikari's giant 'robot', EVA-01, from the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion.
If you've seen Pacific Rim, the basic scenario is pretty similar to NGE; world got messed up by giant monsters from somewhere else, rebuilding humanity created giant humanoid things to defend against future monster attacks. Except in Eva, only kids born after '2nd Impact' occurred can make the sci-fi 'not calling it magic but it's magic' work, so watch as several early teenagers who were raised to be pawns in a conflict they don't understand struggle with the resulting trauma.
I'm uhhh, a little behind on the Marvel movies. The last one I saw was the first Guardians of the Galaxy.
Looks great though. Purple is a very underutilized color in miniature painting.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited November 2021
Ultron is actually a super old-school Avengers villain in the comics. I think Age of Ultron was the second Avengers film? I haven't seen it yet either, oddly enough. Kind of missed a bunch of the MCU movies in the middle, got back into them with GotG, Thor Ragnarok, Black Panther, and have seen a lot more of the newer ones.
Yeah, the EVA color schemes are all pretty great, but it was interesting that they made the main one you'd see the most often use such an uncommon palette for that kind of anime. Pretty sure it was an intentional subversion of how often the 'good guys' stick to red, yellow, blue & white. NGE was all about that kind of thing.
admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
Age of Ultron was thoroughly missable. Ultron is a cool villain as both a testament to man’s hubris and an unknowable AI but his color scheme has always just been “metal man” so… very uninspiring.
I briefly considered wussing out and going with 02’s scheme but I’m glad I didn’t. I have a Unit-01 Gunpla assembled and sitting on a shelf above my desk so like… who would I be if I didn’t go with that?
As a bonus, there are a few more models in my queue that use purple as a significant color (Kingpin, and Mysterio who actually uses the same green/purple scheme) so I’m ready to paint those.
Only part of that movie worth anyone's time is Spader's voice acting
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Hey, painting thread; a question. Does anyone know of any good secure cases for Vallejo-size paints?
See I just got one of Citadel’s paint boxes and it’s actually kinda amazing to store up to 60 paints like that in a way that they won’t fall out or over or whatever. So I want the same but for the other half of my collection. Is such a thing out there somewhere?
Hey, painting thread; a question. Does anyone know of any good secure cases for Vallejo-size paints?
See I just got one of Citadel’s paint boxes and it’s actually kinda amazing to store up to 60 paints like that in a way that they won’t fall out or over or whatever. So I want the same but for the other half of my collection. Is such a thing out there somewhere?
The old method followed the GW recipe: Retributor armour, Reikland Fleshshade wash, layer Auric Armour and then highlight with Liberator Gold. For the new one I still did Retributor/Reikland but then just a heavy drybrush of Liberator. Basically the same thing I was doing with my Stormcast but gold instead of bronze, I just like the effect.
I highlighted with Stormhost Silver but its kind of haphazard, wherever I randomly thought it would look good because it was quickly overwhelming the gold. There's probably a better choice in hindsight.
What's the game with all the character sets that are cute humanoid animals dressed as dnd style characters? I was thinking of grabbing some at one point and cannot remember what they're called.
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Is this in a house, condo, or an apartment? If the latter, you want to make absolutely sure that vent isn't leading somewhere you don't want the fumes to go.
Double check this, and if you're in the clear, I can show my vent system that I installed for my Glowforge (that's in the same interior room as my paint bench). I mean, I'll show it regardless, because sharing is fun!
I can post up pics and diagrams of my vent system later today.
For the sake of effingLOLhuge pictures, I'mma just spoiler all this.
I have a Glowforge ("Equipment") that needs to vent its Fun Fumes. In the use case we're talking here, a paint booth replaces it. Now, depending on the distance of your vent run and some other variables, your booth may or may not need its own fan. You can try to do a bunch of fancy math to figure out static and kinetic air pressures and volumes and what not, math I'm convinced no one on the planet actually knows how it works, or you can experimentally trial-and-error this business. That part's up to you.
At any rate, more pictures:
Glowforge and Vertical Vent Pipe. I've used the aluminum-skin accordion-style pipe here just for ease of connection and disconnection at the machine, but it would be better served by a run of solid vent tube; the accordion-style stuff loses a lot of air velocity, so if you're venting over a very long run you'll want to avoid it where you can.
Accordion-tube connected to a 45-degree connector to a solid vent tube (barely visible). My workspace is on a lower level, so the venting runs parallel with the floor joists (...mostly...).
The Horizontal Tubes on either side of the In-Line Fan. I'm using an AC Infinity Cloudline Series T6 In-Line Fan, which is maybe a bit of a overkill (it's a 6" inlet/outlet fan I've used reducers to connect to 4" tube), but I wanted to be absolutely sure the air was venting out of the house. Again, Fun Fumes. A simple paint booth using an airbrush probably won't need this level of OOMPH, but again, lots of variables about air flow and distance and cubic-feet-per-minute and whatnot.
End of the run, with another accordion-style tube to the exterior vent cover of the house. I would have preferred to use a solid tube here for most of the run, but 1) it's a pretty short run and 2) getting a solid tube up in around that existing water/gas/electrical pipe and conduit, and then get it all connected right, would have been an absolute bear.
A couple more notes:
-Depending on how your vent stack is going to actually exhaust to the exterior, you may need to consider having a backdraft blocker in the line of the vent tube somewhere. Basically, if there's any chance something might blow into your exhaust system while it's inactive, you'll want/need something to stop it. Including one does however reduce some airflow pressure in the system. I had one in my setup, but ended up taking it out because of where it was located and what else I was trying to accomplish with the system.
-The required size of any in-line fan you use will really depend on the lengths of your vent tubing, and if you need to make any turns in the run. As a point of comparison, most typical bathroom vent fans run between 50 to 200 CFM (cubic-feet-per-minute, the amount of air they move) whereas this AC Infinity fan pulls 400 CFM. Again, maybe overkill, but what I didn't show in pictures is some really gnarly 90-degree turns I had to include to make things fit to accomplish what I was aiming for here.
At any rate, if you've got any questions about all that there, I'm happy to share what I know. I'm curious about this vent-to-chimney situation you're mentioning, that might require extra considerations.
Although in this case I might do the opening low above the desk, to allow for quick attachment of the spray booth. In that case the accordion tube would be very short (or I'd use a solid/rigid vent tube, as you suggested), and I'd just keep the vent opening closed at other times (the fresh air is supposed to flow to vents located in the bathroom, to ensure the flow is maintained across the whole house).
In this particular case the chimney contains two ventilation shafts and one smoke shaft for the fireplace located on the other side of the wall.
In something more broadly appealing, I finished another model! This one's only been on my bench for a month(?), because I had a burning desire to knock it out.
It turns out, I am highly motivated by metallic purple paint.
A Starsiege Rebellion Cybrid Adjudicator, for your eye candy consumption.
White Vallejo Primer on the left, same on the right but also topcoated with Gloss Varnish before applying the wash.
A few more pics in the spoiler for different lights/angles and lolhuge.
Varnished one slightly better contrast for raised / recessed areas
MWO: Adamski
Get a sanding sponge if you need to clean it up
I would look and see if you need to sand it down if after you prime it
I'm currently working on this model but I find the official scheme dull as hell, don't really like metallic paints, and don't want to paint that much NMM, so I got really ambitious and decided to paint it in the style of Unit-01. It has a long way to go, but so far it's not a disaster!
*am I the only one? Maybe it's my caffeine habit, but a single drink is the perfect antidote to shaky hands for me.
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I think I'm going to paint up Bastian and a couple more Dracothian guard for alternate list options but no rush on that.
I'm not sure how well it reads, but there's dark grey bands circling the limbs and torso. I think I might need to push them to a darker grey, or go lighter on the wash in those spots/all over...or...or.... Not sure, needs investigation.
Regardless, this one's done.
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Put a bunch of death guard I needed to paint on the table last Monday - finished today l.
Favorite of the bunch are the Lord of Virulence and Contemptor.
1 model left before I’m ready for the tournament.
The necron can be removed from back during play via magnets on the bottom!
Imagine a PSO tabletop game. Imagine the pain of having to paint 300 bright yellow/white Rag Rappies.
If you've seen Pacific Rim, the basic scenario is pretty similar to NGE; world got messed up by giant monsters from somewhere else, rebuilding humanity created giant humanoid things to defend against future monster attacks. Except in Eva, only kids born after '2nd Impact' occurred can make the sci-fi 'not calling it magic but it's magic' work, so watch as several early teenagers who were raised to be pawns in a conflict they don't understand struggle with the resulting trauma.
Looks great though. Purple is a very underutilized color in miniature painting.
Yeah, the EVA color schemes are all pretty great, but it was interesting that they made the main one you'd see the most often use such an uncommon palette for that kind of anime. Pretty sure it was an intentional subversion of how often the 'good guys' stick to red, yellow, blue & white. NGE was all about that kind of thing.
I briefly considered wussing out and going with 02’s scheme but I’m glad I didn’t. I have a Unit-01 Gunpla assembled and sitting on a shelf above my desk so like… who would I be if I didn’t go with that?
As a bonus, there are a few more models in my queue that use purple as a significant color (Kingpin, and Mysterio who actually uses the same green/purple scheme) so I’m ready to paint those.
See I just got one of Citadel’s paint boxes and it’s actually kinda amazing to store up to 60 paints like that in a way that they won’t fall out or over or whatever. So I want the same but for the other half of my collection. Is such a thing out there somewhere?
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You can look for essential oil cases, or the reaper paint caddy, or even tattoo ink cases for ideas.
Nintendo Network ID: AzraelRose
DropBox invite link - get 500MB extra free.
Old dreadnought from 5 or 6 years ago on the left, new on the right. Also painted up some Aquilon terminators in the same style to go with him:
Guess I'll be stripping a few models.
The old method followed the GW recipe: Retributor armour, Reikland Fleshshade wash, layer Auric Armour and then highlight with Liberator Gold. For the new one I still did Retributor/Reikland but then just a heavy drybrush of Liberator. Basically the same thing I was doing with my Stormcast but gold instead of bronze, I just like the effect.
I highlighted with Stormhost Silver but its kind of haphazard, wherever I randomly thought it would look good because it was quickly overwhelming the gold. There's probably a better choice in hindsight.
What's the game with all the character sets that are cute humanoid animals dressed as dnd style characters? I was thinking of grabbing some at one point and cannot remember what they're called.
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