God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
Well, as you wrote yourself - he already knows the outcome. Free will doesn't mean you have 100% influence on what you want, feel and choose. For one, we are physical beings and our choices are actually physical / chemical processes dictated by the laws of nature. It just means no higher power is guiding your hand. And to be specific, yes, all our choices are dictated either by our genes or by our experience (so, for the most part, society).
EDIT: Hey, @Cambiata wanna start a religion fantheory thread?
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God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
Heaven makes even less sense than hell to me. What’s the point of creating souls, putting them in these earthly vessels for the tiniest fraction of time to suffer on earth, then sending them right back up to hang out with you for all eternity. What’s the purpose of that? It seems like a huge waste of time and energy!
God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
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God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
But it all works better if you stop saying god knows the future. I don't think the Bible was super clear on his omni knowledge.
God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
But it all works better if you stop saying god knows the future. I don't think the Bible was super clear on his omni knowledge.
Omniscience is omniscience. You can't be a little bit all-knowing, kind of infallible. The whole thing is predicated on emphasizing god is perfect and can do no wrong.
Hah, I don't actively read SD, just check in on it when y'all are actively freaking out, didn't realize that character's name was actually "Goops" - thought that was the PA nickname for her!
Hah, I don't actively read SD, just check in on it when y'all are actively freaking out, didn't realize that character's name was actually "Goops" - thought that was the PA nickname for her!
Goops is a nickname the characters have assigned. That character's real name could be something really important, we can't know yet.
My theory is that Goops is the first magical girl, with her statue in the cemetery being featureless to everyone's perception because of something that happened which made her into Goops and/or learned the truth about things.
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holy shit these latest updates from K6BD creator Abbadon
I was going to guess this was his Thanksgiving meal, but in my family you start cooking Thanksgiving at like, 11am and you'd be serving it around 1pm. I think the idea is so that you don't miss out on the football? I dunno. I also dunno if Abbadon is in any region of the world where Thanksgiving is a holiday in which he would take part.
Either way, I really want to make Beef Wellington some day, that has got to be the most luxurious meals one can eat. What do you suppose you should prepare as a vegetable side?
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
I agree with C.S. Lewis that this always sounded like a bunch of hooey. To watch a man do something is not to make him do it.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
If God knows that I'll never worship him, and he considers that a prerequisite for eternal joy etc, then why did he allow me to come into existence knowing that its just to suffer?
God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
I agree with C.S. Lewis that this always sounded like a bunch of hooey. To watch a man do something is not to make him do it.
You're missing the step where they created everything, including the situations you react to. If you create everything and know everything then your responsibility is for everything.
God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
I agree with C.S. Lewis that this always sounded like a bunch of hooey. To watch a man do something is not to make him do it.
Not when you made it with divine hands! Like, is God not responsible for their own Creation? If they are, then they are morally responsible as well. If they aren't, why call them God?
Verily I say unto thee, fuck god, fuck theology, it's real-life fanfiction, and most of all, fuck the Black Templars.
God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
I agree with C.S. Lewis that this always sounded like a bunch of hooey. To watch a man do something is not to make him do it.
Not when you made it with divine hands! Like, is God not responsible for their own Creation? If they are, then they are morally responsible as well. If they aren't, why call them God?
Verily I say unto thee, fuck god, fuck theology, it's real-life fanfiction, and most of all, fuck the Black Templars.
Hey, you leave the Blacks out of this!
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God creating people so a number of them can suffer for eternity in some cold horrible place seems like a shitty move
Who is God to decide who gets heaven or hell anyway? God has no mandate to be judging people.
Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
I agree with C.S. Lewis that this always sounded like a bunch of hooey. To watch a man do something is not to make him do it.
Not when you made it with divine hands! Like, is God not responsible for their own Creation? If they are, then they are morally responsible as well. If they aren't, why call them God?
I guess I still don't get it, because it seems like that statement just further proves the fan theory that God thinks free will is so good and special that He created all these living action figures that can totally defy him and do whatever the fuck they want and not follow the story he wrote at all even if they hurt each other in the process.
Now if you're saying that he's an asshole for deciding free will is so important that he lets people get away with evil shit, he sits there and watches them do it, gives them the power, will, energy and intelligence to do it even, that's a different conversation, but there is fan lore on that stuff too.
If you could create a set of magical action figures and give them all individual personalities, would you want to use your secret mage powers to force them to love you or would you want them to be able to choose to love you? There's a whole bunch of fiction on the topic of forcing people to feel feelings for you and how uncool and lonely it is in the end and how you'd rather just be loved but one person for real than a bunch of people for fake reasons! The RPG guide to this setting specifically says that humans were created in God's image, so if humans feel that way why wouldn't God feel that way, too? If your response to that is that it makes the God in this setting too selfish and cruel, to create a world full of potential assholes just for the possibility that some might love Him, don't you think the creatures in that setting might think that getting to figure out love amongst themselves is pretty nice, too? Even if they often pick out love partners who are unsuitable so their hearts break, only to eventually find someone amazing that they never would have found without that heartbreak? I'm just saying, when people talk about this stuff they always act like it's a simple equation of insert X human token and receive Y human happiness, as if when these discussions happen they suddenly forget that humans are messy or something.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
any god that could exist is a creature that ancient humans only vaguely grasped at describing with metaphor, and we have only played a continual game of telephone with each successive generation since regarding the subject
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Well, that's the thing. The idea is he gave mankind free will to choose how they would act themselves. He doesn't make those choices. He already knows the outcome but he still gives you the option knowing some will choose the wrong option.
I am slowly losing my faith in all that, though. I feel as if the way people choose is not so much free will but the way society molds them. How is that free will?
I just run this by my Pratchett Quotes For All Occasions:
Darths & Droids
Alfie is making herself useful.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Well, as you wrote yourself - he already knows the outcome. Free will doesn't mean you have 100% influence on what you want, feel and choose. For one, we are physical beings and our choices are actually physical / chemical processes dictated by the laws of nature. It just means no higher power is guiding your hand. And to be specific, yes, all our choices are dictated either by our genes or by our experience (so, for the most part, society).
EDIT: Hey, @Cambiata wanna start a religion fantheory thread?
this was always the biggest cop out bullshit to me, and the big part of the Christian mythos that just fell apart under scrutiny
God is a benevolent omnipotent being, but has also chosen to never intervene and help anybody, even innocent people. You could have saved those babies from that plague, instead you let them suffer and die.
Why the fuck would anyone worship you? How could you judge anyone's morality or actions? You haven't done shit since the beginning. Get fucked, I'll choose hell over your hypocrisy.
There's also the argument from free will which is the bigger paradox for me - i.e. if a god knows everything then they know what choices we'll make, if our choices are predestined then we can't act freely so therefore we do not have free will
I would have picked amber's dad but he at least had the decency to be violently murdered.
Because I can get behind the argument for one of those.
Swords comic has another series on imgur called stars
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I enjoy that one
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Sleepless Domain
Yaaaay
But it all works better if you stop saying god knows the future. I don't think the Bible was super clear on his omni knowledge.
Omniscience is omniscience. You can't be a little bit all-knowing, kind of infallible. The whole thing is predicated on emphasizing god is perfect and can do no wrong.
SMBC
Hah, I don't actively read SD, just check in on it when y'all are actively freaking out, didn't realize that character's name was actually "Goops" - thought that was the PA nickname for her!
Goops is a nickname the characters have assigned. That character's real name could be something really important, we can't know yet.
I was going to guess this was his Thanksgiving meal, but in my family you start cooking Thanksgiving at like, 11am and you'd be serving it around 1pm. I think the idea is so that you don't miss out on the football? I dunno. I also dunno if Abbadon is in any region of the world where Thanksgiving is a holiday in which he would take part.
Either way, I really want to make Beef Wellington some day, that has got to be the most luxurious meals one can eat. What do you suppose you should prepare as a vegetable side?
I agree with C.S. Lewis that this always sounded like a bunch of hooey. To watch a man do something is not to make him do it.
Answer: cos he's a dick
You're missing the step where they created everything, including the situations you react to. If you create everything and know everything then your responsibility is for everything.
Which is where the watching thing breaks down.
Not when you made it with divine hands! Like, is God not responsible for their own Creation? If they are, then they are morally responsible as well. If they aren't, why call them God?
Verily I say unto thee, fuck god, fuck theology, it's real-life fanfiction, and most of all, fuck the Black Templars.
Hey, you leave the Blacks out of this!
I guess I still don't get it, because it seems like that statement just further proves the fan theory that God thinks free will is so good and special that He created all these living action figures that can totally defy him and do whatever the fuck they want and not follow the story he wrote at all even if they hurt each other in the process.
Now if you're saying that he's an asshole for deciding free will is so important that he lets people get away with evil shit, he sits there and watches them do it, gives them the power, will, energy and intelligence to do it even, that's a different conversation, but there is fan lore on that stuff too.
If you could create a set of magical action figures and give them all individual personalities, would you want to use your secret mage powers to force them to love you or would you want them to be able to choose to love you? There's a whole bunch of fiction on the topic of forcing people to feel feelings for you and how uncool and lonely it is in the end and how you'd rather just be loved but one person for real than a bunch of people for fake reasons! The RPG guide to this setting specifically says that humans were created in God's image, so if humans feel that way why wouldn't God feel that way, too? If your response to that is that it makes the God in this setting too selfish and cruel, to create a world full of potential assholes just for the possibility that some might love Him, don't you think the creatures in that setting might think that getting to figure out love amongst themselves is pretty nice, too? Even if they often pick out love partners who are unsuitable so their hearts break, only to eventually find someone amazing that they never would have found without that heartbreak? I'm just saying, when people talk about this stuff they always act like it's a simple equation of insert X human token and receive Y human happiness, as if when these discussions happen they suddenly forget that humans are messy or something.