The GeekOh-Two Crew, OmeganautRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I never understand why people always complain about whatever newest season of Trek is out for using modern and more special effects as if Gene Roddenberry wouldn't have absolutely used them in 1966 had they been available and in budget.
Anything I should go out of my way to watch, considering I have zero interest in Star Trek?
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The GeekOh-Two Crew, OmeganautRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Discovery is Trek AF. Sure, it's much more serialized than episodic, but that's the general nature of TV these days and it's not like fuckin' DS9 didn't go there first anyway.
I can get that Picard is much more of a departure from more typical Trek, but it's also supposed to be.
Anyone who says that Lower Decks isn't Trek hasn't watched the damn show. It's an absolute reverential love letter to TNG/DS9/VOY in particular.
I'm getting really tired of people who say modern Trek isn't Trek. Most of the time, it's said by people with a very narrow, limited definition of what they think Trek should be, not what Trek actually is.
In the service of the drama, fine; to replace it with shallow spectacle, not so much, IMO. Most of the recent shows seem to be taking their cues from the Abrams and Orci movies and that, IMO, is the wrong direction for Trek (especially on the small screen, insofar as there's a meaningful distinction anymore).
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astrobstrdSo full of mercy...Registered Userregular
My complaint is more how sexless modern Trek is compared to the OG and TNG, but that's hardly a Star Trek specific complaint.
Now, see, I'm actually okay with that! It was always a weird and somewhat creepy blindspot of the show under Roddenberry: War is Bad, Racism is Bad, Sexism is Woo Check Out The Headlights on That One.
(For all that he sold, yes sold, a vision of post-scarcity socialist utopia, the man himself was very much a Ferengi.)
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
To be completely fair to him, titties and money are awesome
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KwoaruConfident SmirkFlawless Golden PecsRegistered Userregular
Now, see, I'm actually okay with that! It was always a weird and somewhat creepy blindspot of the show under Roddenberry: War is Bad, Racism is Bad, Sexism is Woo Check Out The Headlights on That One.
(For all that he sold, yes sold, a vision of post-scarcity socialist utopia, the man himself was very much a Ferengi.)
Post-scarcity also means bangin' knockers aren't scarce.
it'd be a lot more regular sexy and a lot less ambiguously or euphemistically sexy
If you were talking about Enterprise and later Voyager seasons, where the main plan was "get this lady into a catsuit now and make sure we only ever see her in that or less" then maybe yeah.
But Disco isn't trying to trade on cheesecake.
It isn't so much cheesecake as the characters in TNG are sexually active characters. They are horny and hook up with strangers, they talk about their honeymoon romances with their coworkers, they talk about wanting to vacation on the sex-planet, ect...
it'd be a lot more regular sexy and a lot less ambiguously or euphemistically sexy
If you were talking about Enterprise and later Voyager seasons, where the main plan was "get this lady into a catsuit now and make sure we only ever see her in that or less" then maybe yeah.
But Disco isn't trying to trade on cheesecake.
It isn't so much cheesecake as the characters in TNG are sexually active characters. They are horny and hook up with strangers, they talk about their honeymoon romances with their coworkers, they talk about wanting to vacation on the sex-planet, ect...
it'd be a lot more regular sexy and a lot less ambiguously or euphemistically sexy
If you were talking about Enterprise and later Voyager seasons, where the main plan was "get this lady into a catsuit now and make sure we only ever see her in that or less" then maybe yeah.
But Disco isn't trying to trade on cheesecake.
It isn't so much cheesecake as the characters in TNG are sexually active characters. They are horny and hook up with strangers, they talk about their honeymoon romances with their coworkers, they talk about wanting to vacation on the sex-planet, ect...
Discovery is Trek AF. Sure, it's much more serialized than episodic, but that's the general nature of TV these days and it's not like fuckin' DS9 didn't go there first anyway.
I can get that Picard is much more of a departure from more typical Trek, but it's also supposed to be.
Anyone who says that Lower Decks isn't Trek hasn't watched the damn show. It's an absolute reverential love letter to TNG/DS9/VOY in particular.
I'm getting really tired of people who say modern Trek isn't Trek. Most of the time, it's said by people with a very narrow, limited definition of what they think Trek should be, not what Trek actually is.
Also, Disco isn't The Thick of It, it's still very tame when it comes to swearing. I've frequently wished for more breather episodes and lower stakes, but what we've gotten has still been great.
Discovery is Trek AF. Sure, it's much more serialized than episodic, but that's the general nature of TV these days and it's not like fuckin' DS9 didn't go there first anyway.
I can get that Picard is much more of a departure from more typical Trek, but it's also supposed to be.
Anyone who says that Lower Decks isn't Trek hasn't watched the damn show. It's an absolute reverential love letter to TNG/DS9/VOY in particular.
I'm getting really tired of people who say modern Trek isn't Trek. Most of the time, it's said by people with a very narrow, limited definition of what they think Trek should be, not what Trek actually is.
Also, Disco isn't The Thick of It, it's still very tame when it comes to swearing. I've frequently wished for more breather episodes and lower stakes, but what we've gotten has still been great.
I felt that if one were going to drop the first fuck in Star Trek, calling a science thing "pretty fucking cool" was as good a context as you could get.
In fairness, the language and the overacting (Trek has always had a bit of melodrama, when it wasn't being silly - and sometimes both in the same episode!) doesn't bother me nearly so much as the pace and the stakes, which seems to be a thing about a lot of shows today with short seasons - which means we end up with something like long movies, broken into chunks. And the Trek movies have always been more action-heavy than the shows, but back then we had the shows, for contrast and character development and...
Just, please, for the love of God, slow down and breathe and have some episodes that aren't all about how EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE IS IN DANGER YET AGAIN. It's fucking exhausting and, after a couple of seasons, loses all meaning. When everything is always turned up to eleven, it's just noise (to me).
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Librarian's ghostLibrarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSporkRegistered Userregular
edited November 2021
Please give me some Discovery episodes where the A or B plot is like the junior bridge officers putting on a Shakespeare play or doing a martial arts tournament or poker game.
Something where they just chill and interact.
Have a hologram of Reginald Barclay try to take over the ship in a very incompetent way to try to teach them a lesson about work life balance or something.
Nerds have spent so long decrying the filler episode that every episode of every genre show has to advance the mythology or overarching plot every single time, or they're going to loudly whine about it forever.
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PaperLuigi44My amazement is at maximum capacity.Registered Userregular
Like, a lot of the criticisms leveraged against Disco are things I agree with, just not to the extent where they spoil my enjoyment of the show.
Also, to be pedantic, S3 is about the galaxy-ruining thing already happening, and needing to track down the source so the galaxy can pick itself back up.
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PaperLuigi44My amazement is at maximum capacity.Registered Userregular
Nerds have spent so long decrying the filler episode that every episode of every genre show has to advance the mythology or overarching plot every single time, or they're going to loudly whine about it forever.
Adding this to the bad column of my whiteboard on nerds (the board is mostly bad)
Nerds have spent so long decrying the filler episode that every episode of every genre show has to advance the mythology or overarching plot every single time, or they're going to loudly whine about it forever.
give me goku and piccolo learning how to drive any day
Nerds have spent so long decrying the filler episode that every episode of every genre show has to advance the mythology or overarching plot every single time, or they're going to loudly whine about it forever.
And filler episodes are usually the best fuckin episodes!
They’re where you end up seeing weird parts of characters and where the actors get to have fun with the character they are playing.
I tend to love filler episodes within seasons, but I wonder if part of the backlash against filler comes from stuff like Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece did back in the day where they just felt like needed to release something every week forever, so you end up with months and months of filler arcs, all strung together.
Nerds have spent so long decrying the filler episode that every episode of every genre show has to advance the mythology or overarching plot every single time, or they're going to loudly whine about it forever.
And filler episodes are usually the best fuckin episodes!
They’re where you end up seeing weird parts of characters and where the actors get to have fun with the character they are playing.
Short Treks was filling that role pretty nicely. It would be nice if they made more.
I tend to love filler episodes within seasons, but I wonder if part of the backlash against filler comes from stuff like Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece did back in the day where they just felt like needed to release something every week forever, so you end up with months and months of filler arcs, all strung together.
I'm sure that's some of it, but it was a huge and common complaint with Lost, when something happened that didn't solve a mystery, and that feels like where a lot of this backlash started.
This episode of TNG this creeper dude is trying to assault Troi and Worf walks in and casually knocks him out with a left hand smack with no more effort than swatting a fly. Worf doesn't even say anything, like it's his 8th dude he's knocked out that day.
Discovery is Trek AF. Sure, it's much more serialized than episodic, but that's the general nature of TV these days and it's not like fuckin' DS9 didn't go there first anyway.
I can get that Picard is much more of a departure from more typical Trek, but it's also supposed to be.
Anyone who says that Lower Decks isn't Trek hasn't watched the damn show. It's an absolute reverential love letter to TNG/DS9/VOY in particular.
I'm getting really tired of people who say modern Trek isn't Trek. Most of the time, it's said by people with a very narrow, limited definition of what they think Trek should be, not what Trek actually is.
Mostly I would agree. Picard is unique in that it depicts the federation as a distopia. That sucks.
Discovery is Trek AF. Sure, it's much more serialized than episodic, but that's the general nature of TV these days and it's not like fuckin' DS9 didn't go there first anyway.
I can get that Picard is much more of a departure from more typical Trek, but it's also supposed to be.
Anyone who says that Lower Decks isn't Trek hasn't watched the damn show. It's an absolute reverential love letter to TNG/DS9/VOY in particular.
I'm getting really tired of people who say modern Trek isn't Trek. Most of the time, it's said by people with a very narrow, limited definition of what they think Trek should be, not what Trek actually is.
Mostly I would agree. Picard is unique in that it depicts the federation as a distopia. That sucks.
I wouldn't hate a follow-up to TNG that addressed how even a well-intentioned utopia is gonna drop the ball
Like, a Trek that went, "Hey remember that time when the Federation displaced Indians again because it was the most 'logical' way to follow the rules they made the fuck up for themselves? That kinda sucked, eh?" I mean, I'd be down for that.
I recognize that nobody else would be, but I'd dig it.
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minor incidentexpert in a dying fieldnjRegistered Userregular
edited November 2021
Any utopia is going to be a dystopia for some folks, is the thing. I don’t think exploring that idea is ruinous to Star Trek as a concept.
Edit: I think the most recent seasons of Discovery do a good job of this, showing the galaxy post-Federation. You see the good and the bad that the federation represented through the lens of a whole lot of worlds.
minor incident on
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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RingoHe/Hima distinct lack of substanceRegistered Userregular
Discovery is Trek AF. Sure, it's much more serialized than episodic, but that's the general nature of TV these days and it's not like fuckin' DS9 didn't go there first anyway.
I can get that Picard is much more of a departure from more typical Trek, but it's also supposed to be.
Anyone who says that Lower Decks isn't Trek hasn't watched the damn show. It's an absolute reverential love letter to TNG/DS9/VOY in particular.
I'm getting really tired of people who say modern Trek isn't Trek. Most of the time, it's said by people with a very narrow, limited definition of what they think Trek should be, not what Trek actually is.
Mostly I would agree. Picard is unique in that it depicts the federation as a distopia. That sucks.
I wouldn't hate a follow-up to TNG that addressed how even a well-intentioned utopia is gonna drop the ball
Like, a Trek that went, "Hey remember that time when the Federation displaced Indians again because it was the most 'logical' way to follow the rules they made the fuck up for themselves? That kinda sucked, eh?" I mean, I'd be down for that.
I recognize that nobody else would be, but I'd dig it.
I feel like Deep Space Nine features a lot of this, though almost none for the Maquis/displaced Federation citizens
Any utopia is going to be a dystopia for some folks, is the thing. I don’t think exploring that idea is ruinous to Star Trek as a concept.
I think that dodges the accusation though. We arn't talking Anachist theory "any society can be a prison" stuff here. The Federation as depicted in Picard is monstrous. No better and in many ways worse than modern government. What Picard tells me is that the people writing it can't imagine a world in which we have escaped the worst aspects of our modern world. It's dystopian in the truest sense. A world devoid of hope.
Nerds have spent so long decrying the filler episode that every episode of every genre show has to advance the mythology or overarching plot every single time, or they're going to loudly whine about it forever.
Every person who cried "nothing happened on this episode" of the mandalorian was the absolute worst.
When original X-Files was airing, there was a lot of complaint about filler episodes.
Those people were wrong. Both for complaining about filler episodes, and for believing that the writers actually had a detailed planned-out mythology they were just waiting to reveal to you.
Fortunately, nowadays most people realize that the mytharc eps are kind of trash and the filler episodes have a lot of the best stuff.
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Anything I should go out of my way to watch, considering I have zero interest in Star Trek?
I can get that Picard is much more of a departure from more typical Trek, but it's also supposed to be.
Anyone who says that Lower Decks isn't Trek hasn't watched the damn show. It's an absolute reverential love letter to TNG/DS9/VOY in particular.
I'm getting really tired of people who say modern Trek isn't Trek. Most of the time, it's said by people with a very narrow, limited definition of what they think Trek should be, not what Trek actually is.
Lower Decks might be s fun ride for you even if youre not a trek fan.
(For all that he sold, yes sold, a vision of post-scarcity socialist utopia, the man himself was very much a Ferengi.)
Post-scarcity also means bangin' knockers aren't scarce.
It isn't so much cheesecake as the characters in TNG are sexually active characters. They are horny and hook up with strangers, they talk about their honeymoon romances with their coworkers, they talk about wanting to vacation on the sex-planet, ect...
Purely for the archeological opportunities.
He displayed that Hor'Ghan.
Evil!
The Good Fight!
Also, Disco isn't The Thick of It, it's still very tame when it comes to swearing. I've frequently wished for more breather episodes and lower stakes, but what we've gotten has still been great.
I felt that if one were going to drop the first fuck in Star Trek, calling a science thing "pretty fucking cool" was as good a context as you could get.
Just, please, for the love of God, slow down and breathe and have some episodes that aren't all about how EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE IS IN DANGER YET AGAIN. It's fucking exhausting and, after a couple of seasons, loses all meaning. When everything is always turned up to eleven, it's just noise (to me).
Something where they just chill and interact.
Have a hologram of Reginald Barclay try to take over the ship in a very incompetent way to try to teach them a lesson about work life balance or something.
Also, to be pedantic, S3 is about the galaxy-ruining thing already happening, and needing to track down the source so the galaxy can pick itself back up.
Adding this to the bad column of my whiteboard on nerds (the board is mostly bad)
give me goku and piccolo learning how to drive any day
And filler episodes are usually the best fuckin episodes!
They’re where you end up seeing weird parts of characters and where the actors get to have fun with the character they are playing.
Short Treks was filling that role pretty nicely. It would be nice if they made more.
I'm sure that's some of it, but it was a huge and common complaint with Lost, when something happened that didn't solve a mystery, and that feels like where a lot of this backlash started.
Mostly I would agree. Picard is unique in that it depicts the federation as a distopia. That sucks.
I wouldn't hate a follow-up to TNG that addressed how even a well-intentioned utopia is gonna drop the ball
Like, a Trek that went, "Hey remember that time when the Federation displaced Indians again because it was the most 'logical' way to follow the rules they made the fuck up for themselves? That kinda sucked, eh?" I mean, I'd be down for that.
I recognize that nobody else would be, but I'd dig it.
Edit: I think the most recent seasons of Discovery do a good job of this, showing the galaxy post-Federation. You see the good and the bad that the federation represented through the lens of a whole lot of worlds.
I feel like Deep Space Nine features a lot of this, though almost none for the Maquis/displaced Federation citizens
I think that dodges the accusation though. We arn't talking Anachist theory "any society can be a prison" stuff here. The Federation as depicted in Picard is monstrous. No better and in many ways worse than modern government. What Picard tells me is that the people writing it can't imagine a world in which we have escaped the worst aspects of our modern world. It's dystopian in the truest sense. A world devoid of hope.
Steam
His cutoff-denim vest is so perfect, my god
Every person who cried "nothing happened on this episode" of the mandalorian was the absolute worst.
THATS THE POINT OF WESTERNS
Those people were wrong. Both for complaining about filler episodes, and for believing that the writers actually had a detailed planned-out mythology they were just waiting to reveal to you.
Fortunately, nowadays most people realize that the mytharc eps are kind of trash and the filler episodes have a lot of the best stuff.
Also I've had it playing in the background all day so my 2 year old hums along with the theme song now.