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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    This dino is kinda cute
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    hell yes, I would like to play the reanimation enabler that sometimes just plays the reanimation target for free

  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    It can connive other ways. There's an aura that lets a creature connive.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Why is the wording "when it connives this way"? Is it because conniving can be prevented?

    Kind of. Abilities fail to resolve if they target something and that target becomes an illegal target, so if it was "When ~ ETBs, it connives and return target permanent to its owners hand" or whatever, then if an opponent destroyed the permanent or flickered it, you wouldn't connive.

    Probably more importantly, this form of trigger also lets you connive and then determine targets; if you draw, idk, (1): Exile target mythic rare bomb, then you would rather bounce something else than waste your bounce on the mythic you just drew an answer for.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    It can connive other ways. There's an aura that lets a creature connive.

    Also Raffine. Probably some other cards. It's a limiter on the bounce.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited April 11
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    It can connive other ways. There's an aura that lets a creature connive.

    Also Raffine. Probably some other cards. It's a limiter on the bounce.

    It isn't a limiter on the bounce; they could have just said "it connives and bounces target" on ETB, it'd just have other issues. They could have also made it two separate ETB triggers, but that'd be unnecessarily clunky and risk people misordering the triggers in Arena.

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Why is the wording "when it connives this way"? Is it because conniving can be prevented?

    maybe there are spells/enchantments to make a creature connive, and they don't want those to trigger the extra ability?

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Winky wrote: »
    Why is the wording "when it connives this way"? Is it because conniving can be prevented?

    maybe there are spells/enchantments to make a creature connive, and they don't want those to trigger the extra ability?

    The wording is because two separate ETB triggers would be clunky and because one ETB trigger would let you fizzle the connive part and allow you not to act on information gained by the conniving. The wording is not actually about the act of the creature conniving, it is just a way to make the bounce targeting always happen after you loot.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    contender for Quite Good Blue Common

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    I really feel like I'm gonna have to play a good bit of Limited before I know how powerful Connive actually is. It's easy to read that card as "filter your hand and get a 3/4 flier for 4", but the fact you have to pitch a nonland card to get the +1/+1 counter may be a bigger cost than you'd expect.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Feels like there will be a fair bit of graveyard mechanics to get value from when you pitch your nonlands. We already know about the number of card types in your yard stuff.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Yeah, there's some graveyard matters stuff that benefits from pitching nonlands, but as we've also seen with all of Kamigawa, it's really hard to tell how well micro-synergy plays pay off vs. just playing good cards; most of Kamigawa favors synergy, but RW is terrible if played as samurai attack alone and much better if played as "well I guess I'm gonna get a lot of removal and oaths."

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    milski wrote: »
    I really feel like I'm gonna have to play a good bit of Limited before I know how powerful Connive actually is. It's easy to read that card as "filter your hand and get a 3/4 flier for 4", but the fact you have to pitch a nonland card to get the +1/+1 counter may be a bigger cost than you'd expect.

    The flip side is that if you do discard a land card, you just replaced chaffe with gas

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  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    Yah, Connive is straight up looting+, and there have been several cards signposting you'll be playing out of your 'yard as well in this set.

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    edited April 11
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    Hypnotic Grifter is no Spectral Sailor, but I can still see a use in tempo decks for a 1-drop that lets you loot at instant speed, and can potentially grow when it does so

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited April 11
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    Are we sure that's not Zangief?

    But similar mechanics aside that's a really neat removal spell, and there's a lot of 2-4 CMC things that are worth exploding, and plenty of 2-3 toughness creatures to blow up with them.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Unleash is a sweet design, but it's going to be annoying to have when your opponent has a artifact/enchantment and no creature/walker to hit. Or a creature/walker that's a little too big.

  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    In his article this morning, MaRo revealed the archetypes for the set.

    Oscura: Connive
    Maestros: Casualty
    Riveteers: Blitz
    Cabaretti: Alliance
    Brokers: shield counters
    Brokers/Obscura: types of counters
    Obscura/Maestros: mana values in graveyard
    Maestros/Riveteers: sacrifice
    Riveteers/Cabaretti: Treasure
    Cabaretti/Brokers: Citizen tribal

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    In his article this morning, MaRo revealed the archetypes for the set.

    Oscura: Connive
    Maestros: Casualty
    Riveteers: Blitz
    Cabaretti: Alliance
    Brokers: shield counters
    Brokers/Obscura: types of counters
    Obscura/Maestros: mana values in graveyard
    Maestros/Riveteers: sacrifice
    Riveteers/Cabaretti: Treasure
    Cabaretti/Brokers: Citizen tribal

    for the crossover archetypes, that's essentially
    Azorious types of counters
    Dimir Graveyard mana value
    Rakdos Sacrifice
    Gruul Treasure
    Selesnya Citizens

    Cleverly done that the 5 pairs that kind of get supported by way of overlap between families are the 5 pairs that didn't get Strixhaven colleges

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    In his article this morning, MaRo revealed the archetypes for the set.

    Oscura: Connive
    Maestros: Casualty
    Riveteers: Blitz
    Cabaretti: Alliance
    Brokers: shield counters
    Brokers/Obscura: types of counters
    Obscura/Maestros: mana values in graveyard
    Maestros/Riveteers: sacrifice
    Riveteers/Cabaretti: Treasure
    Cabaretti/Brokers: Citizen tribal

    for the crossover archetypes, that's essentially
    Azorious types of counters
    Dimir Graveyard mana value
    Rakdos Sacrifice
    Gruul Treasure
    Selesnya Citizens

    Cleverly done that the 5 pairs that kind of get supported by way of overlap between families are the 5 pairs that didn't get Strixhaven colleges

    Eh, that's just how it works since Strixhaven was enemy color pairs, and this is an ally-color set.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Obscura Ascendecy seems useful

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    Ahh I get it, the Hideaway enchantments are different criminal activities. Normally I'd say a card called "Rabble Rousing" should be red, but I guess it's one of the few white-ish crimes.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    There are a lot of crimes that the color white can be associated with.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    yeah but we have to leave some for Orzhov

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    edited April 12
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    I needed a gnome to post. on
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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    hmmm, a 15 mana value creature that can be played for potentially 2 mana...

    actually the best thing I can think of to do with it right now is flip it with Hidetsugu. Still, there's potential.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    True, looting is always nice, but
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    That flavor text has big "hard as fuck line from an incomprehensible shitpost" energy

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    God damn I love the art on the shadow.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    Cabaretti Ascendency
    RGW
    Enchantment
    At the beginning of you upkeep, look at the top card of your library. If it's a creature or planeswalker card, you may reveal it and put it in your hand. If you don't you may put it at the bottom of your library.

  • LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    free gold today

    ...but if you don't spend it immediately, Black Market Tycoon will punch you in the face

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    In his article this morning, MaRo revealed the archetypes for the set.

    Oscura: Connive
    Maestros: Casualty
    Riveteers: Blitz
    Cabaretti: Alliance
    Brokers: shield counters
    Brokers/Obscura: types of counters
    Obscura/Maestros: mana values in graveyard
    Maestros/Riveteers: sacrifice
    Riveteers/Cabaretti: Treasure
    Cabaretti/Brokers: Citizen tribal

    for the crossover archetypes, that's essentially
    Azorious types of counters
    Dimir Graveyard mana value
    Rakdos Sacrifice
    Gruul Treasure
    Selesnya Citizens

    Cleverly done that the 5 pairs that kind of get supported by way of overlap between families are the 5 pairs that didn't get Strixhaven colleges

    Eh, that's just how it works since Strixhaven was enemy color pairs, and this is an ally-color set.

    Yeah, there's basically three ways to do draft archetypes.
    • 10 color pairs (most sets)
    • 5 color pairs + 5 overlapping monocolors (Ravnica, Strixhaven)
    • 5 tricolors + 5 overlapping color pairs (Ikoria, New Capenna)

  • WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    I honestly have not read the Capenna fiction, so could anyone describe the difference between how the cephalids function / behave, and is there something to them that would necessitate them not being vedalken?

    I know MaRo mentioned something about going about it backwards, but I was wondering why they picked cephalids instead of vedalken.

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    I mean, what necessitates humans not being elves?

    It doesn't seem that complicated - there's a number of animalfolk races on New Capenna, some that we've seen before like Rhox, some that are new like raccoonfolk. One of the ones that they were designing that were new were some kind of octopusfolk. But they decided "Hey, we've got these octopus people in Magic's past that we haven't used in a while. Let's use the same name, that'll be a fun reference for long-time fans."

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    In his article this morning, MaRo revealed the archetypes for the set.

    Oscura: Connive
    Maestros: Casualty
    Riveteers: Blitz
    Cabaretti: Alliance
    Brokers: shield counters
    Brokers/Obscura: types of counters
    Obscura/Maestros: mana values in graveyard
    Maestros/Riveteers: sacrifice
    Riveteers/Cabaretti: Treasure
    Cabaretti/Brokers: Citizen tribal

    for the crossover archetypes, that's essentially
    Azorious types of counters
    Dimir Graveyard mana value
    Rakdos Sacrifice
    Gruul Treasure
    Selesnya Citizens

    Cleverly done that the 5 pairs that kind of get supported by way of overlap between families are the 5 pairs that didn't get Strixhaven colleges

    Eh, that's just how it works since Strixhaven was enemy color pairs, and this is an ally-color set.

    sure, I meant the longer term planning of having an ally/shard set overlap with an enemy pair set, and then follow that with enemy/wedges to then favour the ally pairs

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Seven mana is way too much, but the jank lover in me can't help but dream of reanimating, flickering, copying with fable of the mirror-breaker, etc

    also I want to see the official translation to make sure the second part is indeed an "and" rather than an "or"

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    Dollhouse of Horrors, anyone?

    KalTorak
  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    I honestly have not read the Capenna fiction, so could anyone describe the difference between how the cephalids function / behave, and is there something to them that would necessitate them not being vedalken?

    I know MaRo mentioned something about going about it backwards, but I was wondering why they picked cephalids instead of vedalken.

    That's not something that would be addressed in the fiction.

    Maybe in the Planeswalkers' Guide, which should be up later this week (if not actually tomorrow).

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    or as someone on reddit called it, "Ravenous Bluepacabra"

  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited April 12
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    or as someone on reddit called it, "Ravenous Bluepacabra"
    in case anyone's wondering why "sleep with the fishes" doesn't kill the creature.

    DanHibiki on
  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    It's raining cats OR dogs!

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    Smuggler's Stash
    5G
    Artifact
    Lands you control have "T: Create a Treasure token."
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    Void Cleave
    WUB
    Instant
    This spell can't be countered.
    Destroy target nonland permanent.
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    Cunning Receiver
    WU
    Creature - Human Citizen
    When Cunning Receiver enters the battlefield choose a nonland permanent.
    Abilities of the permanent chosen can't be activated.
    Cunning Receiver has all the activated abilities of the chosen permanent, except for loyalty abilities. You can spend mana as if it was of any color to activate these abilities.

  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    For Cunning Receiver, does the "Abilities of the permanent chosen can't be activated" effect persist after Cunning Receiver leaves the battlefield? The card doesn't specify "for as long as Cunning Receiver remains on the battlefield", so I would guess that it does persist, but there may be a rule that I'm not aware of.

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