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Venom is great. I just wish MGSV spoils
they would've used Hayter or Doyle for the real Big Boss's voice. Sutherland still did an amazing job distinguishing the two though - Real Boss on the tapes very much sounds like a different person.
Also, what a colossal dick move it was to use Kaz's capture as the training wheels mission for Venom. For fuck's sake, Boss. No. Save your friend.
Big Boss used and abandoned V. It's hinted in game that Big Boss *views* him as an inheritor of his legacy... And yet he rips his identify from him and uses him as a decoy along with Miller. He's an expendable pawn who succeeds against the odds, just like Solid Snake did in Outer Heaven. He becomes almost as bad as the people he fights.
It's all well and good, agree to disagree. But I find that Big Boss never "breaks out" of the role of anti-hero. The bravest thing I think he does is take responsibility at the end of his life and stops making excuses for how he handled The Boss' death. No one made him build Outer Heaven, he did that himself.
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Big Boss used and abandoned V. It's hinted in game that Big Boss *views* him as an inheritor of his legacy... And yet he rips his identify from him and uses him as a decoy along with Miller. He's an expendable pawn who succeeds against the odds, just like Solid Snake did in Outer Heaven. He becomes almost as bad as the people he fights.
It's all well and good, agree to disagree. But I find that Big Boss never "breaks out" of the role of anti-hero. The bravest thing I think he does is take responsibility at the end of his life and stops making excuses for how he handled The Boss' death. No one made him build Outer Heaven, he did that himself.
But that's wrong.
V does not succeed. He dies. Solid Snake kills him. He completely fails.
That tension of knowing he is ultimately doomed is what makes him so much more interesting.
The same is true of Big Boss, only he fucks up on an even bigger scale. He screws up the Bosses legacy. He screws up on his dream, three times (mgsv (loss of original motherbase, then what he does to V), mg1 (he didn't expect Solid to win), mg2). He ultimately realises he has completely failed at what he wanted to do, and not just that, that his entire dream is, ultimately, foolish and a misstep. He does, as you say, take responsibility for it. That's interesting. Most anti-heroes still win like regular heroes, they're just asshole about it. Neither of these characters win. They both lose.
The best choice Kojima made was choosing to focus on more interesting characters after MGS1. Raiden, Big Boss, V, and so on. All these characters keep on losing. Hell Raiden's entire schtick in MGS2 is that he made peace with losing on his own terms. That is straight up not how normal protagonists work. They normally win by the end.
(Revengeance was more of a return to regular protagonist time, turning Raiden into a traditional anti-hero who actually does win.)
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Big Boss and the other Snakes may be more interesting than Solid, but Solid is a way more likeable character, and likeability goes a long way in making me, well, like a character. Naked Snake is Big Boss at his most likeable, and he really feels like Solid in the 60s (I suppose to emphasize how similar they would've been had the loss of The Boss not sent him down a darker path).
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I like Solid the most too.
Not really talking about that.
edit: Well actually if Im being honest I like Raiden the most then Solid.
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they would've used Hayter or Doyle for the real Big Boss's voice. Sutherland still did an amazing job distinguishing the two though - Real Boss on the tapes very much sounds like a different person.
Also, what a colossal dick move it was to use Kaz's capture as the training wheels mission for Venom. For fuck's sake, Boss. No. Save your friend.
I believe there's a mod which allows for full use of...
Your custom character face during regular gameplay.
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they would've used Hayter or Doyle for the real Big Boss's voice. Sutherland still did an amazing job distinguishing the two though - Real Boss on the tapes very much sounds like a different person.
Also, what a colossal dick move it was to use Kaz's capture as the training wheels mission for Venom. For fuck's sake, Boss. No. Save your friend.
Pretty sure this is a big reason why
Kaz tells BB to go DIAF.
Peace Walker is super unappreciated, and a must-play for Kaz's backstory.
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Probably the best side content in the franchise is Paz narrating a recount of an extremely homoerotic naked fist fight between Kaz and Big Boss from the showers of Mother Base, after Kaz was apparently being outed as two-timing womanizer and Snake was trying to discipline him - and the fact that she's completely shook by how she would never be able to break the bond between them lol
I also have a crippling fear of streams, as in my first playthrough didn't know that the walk to the ghost dude was longer if you had killed more people. And I killed a lot of people on the way.
To this day I can't see a long ladder without hearing
Same here.
I also have a crippling fear of streams, as in my first playthrough didn't know that the walk to the ghost dude was longer if you had killed more people. And I killed a lot of people on the way.
Long. Fucking. Walk.
You may not know its possible to commit cannibalism by proxy in the game.
If you shoot a Soviet soldier, allow a buzzard to start eating him. And then shoot and eat the vulture, you'll get unique dialogue during the Sorrow river, complete with, "You ATE me!"
Does anyone play Metal Gear Survive? I got it a few days ago and I actually enjoy the weird stakes that are set up and I wish there had been more opportunities to iterate on the gameplay in the Fox engine. It's pretty impressive what they've managed to do with MGSV assets and updated UI to make a pretty distinct feeling game.
Does anyone play Metal Gear Survive? I got it a few days ago and I actually enjoy the weird stakes that are set up and I wish there had been more opportunities to iterate on the gameplay in the Fox engine. It's pretty impressive what they've managed to do with MGSV assets and updated UI to make a pretty distinct feeling game.
It's that flawed kind of game that I managed to enjoy in spite of that.
When I got MGS3 Subsistence, I was particularly terrible at that kind of game.
and I still made sure to get every boss cammo.
it was a very long playthrough
When I got MGS3 Subsistence, I was particularly terrible at that kind of game.
and I still made sure to get every boss cammo.
it was a very long playthrough
It's not a short game to begin with. But that turns it into an epic!
Finally got around to picking up Snake Eater 3D, which I'm largely playing for the novelty factor. Was this entirely rebuilt in the Peace Walker engine? And am I correct in assuming the overhead camera option isn't available in this version?
I’d be interested in a quick review from either of you, because I heard it was trash and assumed it was dead now.
@Endless_Serpents I seriously doubt there's any kind of player base, but the single player campaign has been entertaining for about 30 hours so far (maybe another 10-15 hours and I suspect that's the end). The gameplay loop is sort of like Monster Hunter: go out, get supplies, return to base and craft weapons, armor, and defenses. I've not played Peace Walker, but I have seen it through Let's Play, and the style is closer to that than MGSV, I guess.
It's got a neat horror sci fi angle that I think is really cool. The game can feel kind of grindy at times, but doing the tower defense co-op missions successfully (even if you get a D or C rank, which is the best I've gotten with 2 out of 3 waves of enemies) gives you a LOT of resources. And the tower defense is actually really fun because it's got MGSV gameplay attached, so yeah. I would give it a recommendation on sale, especially if you can find someone to play online with you.
Finally got around to picking up Snake Eater 3D, which I'm largely playing for the novelty factor. Was this entirely rebuilt in the Peace Walker engine? And am I correct in assuming the overhead camera option isn't available in this version?
I've never played 3D, but the overhead camera option was available in Subsistence on the PS2 (hitting select I think to switch back and forth). There were a few areas where I thought the overhead camera was more useful (mainly inside of buildings).
Finally got around to picking up Snake Eater 3D, which I'm largely playing for the novelty factor. Was this entirely rebuilt in the Peace Walker engine? And am I correct in assuming the overhead camera option isn't available in this version?
I've never played 3D, but the overhead camera option was available in Subsistence on the PS2 (hitting select I think to switch back and forth). There were a few areas where I thought the overhead camera was more useful (mainly inside of buildings).
Yeah, I would swap between the 2 modes when I played on PS2/PS3. It was a great way to reorient yourself in the jungle. Start and Select just do the same thing on the 3DS version.
But like I said, I'm playing this for the novelty of it. I still have the PS3 and Vita versions.
Snake Eater 3D only has the one camera option. It has two different control schemes, if you have a New 3DS it controls more like the PS2 version, but I prefer the base controls and could not get back into my european extreme run when I upgraded.
Crouch walking is overpowered but I miss it when I play another version.
It can also turn your 3DS photos into camo, took a picture of Donkey Kong and had this distorted big eye picture of DK staring at me from Snake's back.
If it would free MGS4 from the PS3, it might be worth it.
I wonder if that is even possible without remaking it. I suspect it has not been ported because the whole PS3/Cell development seems to have been a nightmare impossible to divorce from the hardware
The original Uncharted trilogy and The Last of Us were built for PS3 as well, and that didn't stop them from being ported to PS4.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
Yeah but Kojima was a nutter for more than just story. He pushed stuff real far.
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The thing about this news is I'm not too worried about a remake cause with remakes when push comes to shove you can always just rely on what's already there.
The issue happens when you're talking about making something new from scratch that's when things get hairy.
And I know people will say well this isn't new it's a remake and sure but it's either MGS stuck in remake hell or they do eventually make a new one and well...are the people who do it even gonna understand the spirit of the games.
That uninteresting announcement trailer doesn't fill one with hope either way.
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I swipe right on all MGS news that isn't just ports.
No Kojima, don't care.
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Got my hands on the PS5 version of the game early and wanted to note a few things that people might have been wondering about like I was.
All of the games and most of the bonus material is on disc(on ps5 anyway) without the need to download an update. The only parts that require download are the 4 graphic novels and the Japanese language packs. Each game can also be installed individually from the disc if you only want to play one.
The versions of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 on here are distinct from the versions on the HD collection and Subsistence as they have new text prompts depending on your platform
-The NES games seem to be emulated very well without any noticeable input lag. Of course your own results may vary depending on your monitor and sensitivity to lag.
-All games take heavy advantage of the ps5s haptics to a surprising degree. It does very well to make the game more immersive particularly in snake eater.
-MGS 2 and 3 have significantly faster loading times on ps5 compared to original/HD while MGS1 feels slightly slower than the original. Strange.
-The master books and screenplays are incredibly comprehensive and probably one of the best bonus features on a collection I’ve ever seen. Worth the price of admission on its own imo if you are a Metal Gear fan even if you already own the ps3 legacy collection.
-MGS1 and its “Integral” version are presented as separate games.
-The soundtrack feature is disappointingly non comprehensive. Only a few tracks are available for each game. Though how randomly the songs seem to have been selected makes me think the rest may come in an update when the game actually releases.
A reply also comprehensively adds this run down of the games, options, changes, and bonus content:
Here are all the games, options, changes, bonus content etc. that are included:
Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid Integral (NTSC-J)
- Up-converted 1080p at 30fps
- Achievements added
- Japanese language pack can be downloaded and toogled on
- French, German, Italian and Spanish dubs are included in the eu version
- Added MGS1 disc swap animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdZVqW9gg0g
- Pause menu added that can be opened by pressing LB+RB that let`s you customize controller button assignments and also includes the option to virtually swap controller ports from Player 1 to Player 2 for the Psycho Mantis fight https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/mgs1/pc/en/page20.html https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/mgs1_integral/pc/en/page21.html
- Option to create virtual save data for past titles like Azure Dreams, Castlevania Symphony of the Night, Contra Legacy of War, Silent Hill, Suikoden, Vandal Hearts etc. so that Psycho Mantis can read your "memory card" and talk about these games like he did in the original https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/mgs1/pc/en/page21.html
- Option to create additional virtual save data for past titles in Integral like Dance Dance Revolution, Gradius Gaiden, Policenauts and Snatcher https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/mgs1_integral/pc/en/page22.html
- Option to move the screen from the center to left or right
- Option to choose black borders or multiple game related wallpapers https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/mgs1/pc/en/page23.html
- Digital 3D replica of the game's original retail packaging
Metal Gear Solid 2 HD Edition
- Up-converted 1080p at 60 fps
- Faster load times
- Japanese language pack can be downloaded and toogled on
- Logo in the opening is now similiar in size to how it was in the original PS2 release and not as small as it was in the HD Collection
- In-game credits like in the opening cutscene now have the same color like in the original PS2 release and aren`t green like in the HD collection
- Pause/delay before codec calls that has been introduced in the hd collection has been fixed
Metal Gear Solid 3 HD Edition
- Up-converted 1080p at 60fps
- Faster load times
- Japanese language pack can be downloaded and toogled on
- Snake Eater song in the beginning now works as intended and isn`t out of sync like in the HD Collection
- Pause/delay for changing camouflage and opening the cure menu that have been introduced in the HD Collection have been fixed
- Digital game manual https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/mgs3/pc/en/index.html
- Screenplay and Master Books https://metalgear.konami.net/manual/mc1/mgs3/pc/en/page26.html
Digital Graphic Novels
- Metal Gear Solid: Digital Graphic Novel (english dub)
- Metal Gear Solid: Bande Dessinée (japanese dub)
- Metal Gear Solid 2: Digital Grapic Novel (english dub)
- Metal Gear Solid 2: Bande Dessinée (japanese dub)
Other info:
- The Master Books are digital books that gives you more insight into the Metal Gear series. It contains full character lists and story descriptions, along with guides, ghost photos for mgs1, dog tags for mgs2 and kerotans for mgs3 etc.
- The Screenplay Books are digital books that contains all the in-game story scenes and codec conversations. It also contains some work-in-progress story elements.
- Screenplay Books offer the localised versions of the japanese only scenario books and offer thousands of pages
- The Screenplay and Master Books let you place/remove book marks
- The Screenplay and Master Books let you choose from a table of contents so you can jump to the content you want to read
- The Screenplay Books and Master Books offer a music list so you can choose which song you want to hear while you read the books
- 6 clips of historical footage were replaced with new historical footage since the companies that own these licences are gone
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Also, what a colossal dick move it was to use Kaz's capture as the training wheels mission for Venom. For fuck's sake, Boss. No. Save your friend.
It's all well and good, agree to disagree. But I find that Big Boss never "breaks out" of the role of anti-hero. The bravest thing I think he does is take responsibility at the end of his life and stops making excuses for how he handled The Boss' death. No one made him build Outer Heaven, he did that himself.
But that's wrong.
That tension of knowing he is ultimately doomed is what makes him so much more interesting.
The same is true of Big Boss, only he fucks up on an even bigger scale. He screws up the Bosses legacy. He screws up on his dream, three times (mgsv (loss of original motherbase, then what he does to V), mg1 (he didn't expect Solid to win), mg2). He ultimately realises he has completely failed at what he wanted to do, and not just that, that his entire dream is, ultimately, foolish and a misstep. He does, as you say, take responsibility for it. That's interesting. Most anti-heroes still win like regular heroes, they're just asshole about it. Neither of these characters win. They both lose.
The best choice Kojima made was choosing to focus on more interesting characters after MGS1. Raiden, Big Boss, V, and so on. All these characters keep on losing. Hell Raiden's entire schtick in MGS2 is that he made peace with losing on his own terms. That is straight up not how normal protagonists work. They normally win by the end.
(Revengeance was more of a return to regular protagonist time, turning Raiden into a traditional anti-hero who actually does win.)
Not really talking about that.
edit: Well actually if Im being honest I like Raiden the most then Solid.
I believe there's a mod which allows for full use of...
Pretty sure this is a big reason why
Peace Walker is super unappreciated, and a must-play for Kaz's backstory.
Find me somebody, anybody, who can get a batshit crazy as that.
Do you remember the flaming psychic whale? Cause I do.
Same here.
I also have a crippling fear of streams, as in my first playthrough didn't know that the walk to the ghost dude was longer if you had killed more people. And I killed a lot of people on the way.
Long. Fucking. Walk.
Also if you kill a guy, then later on kill a vulture in the area the guy will show up in the stream and yell at you for eating him.
You may not know its possible to commit cannibalism by proxy in the game.
If you shoot a Soviet soldier, allow a buzzard to start eating him. And then shoot and eat the vulture, you'll get unique dialogue during the Sorrow river, complete with, "You ATE me!"
It's that flawed kind of game that I managed to enjoy in spite of that.
I can see why people might dislike it though.
and I still made sure to get every boss cammo.
it was a very long playthrough
It's not a short game to begin with. But that turns it into an epic!
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@Endless_Serpents I seriously doubt there's any kind of player base, but the single player campaign has been entertaining for about 30 hours so far (maybe another 10-15 hours and I suspect that's the end). The gameplay loop is sort of like Monster Hunter: go out, get supplies, return to base and craft weapons, armor, and defenses. I've not played Peace Walker, but I have seen it through Let's Play, and the style is closer to that than MGSV, I guess.
It's got a neat horror sci fi angle that I think is really cool. The game can feel kind of grindy at times, but doing the tower defense co-op missions successfully (even if you get a D or C rank, which is the best I've gotten with 2 out of 3 waves of enemies) gives you a LOT of resources. And the tower defense is actually really fun because it's got MGSV gameplay attached, so yeah. I would give it a recommendation on sale, especially if you can find someone to play online with you.
I've never played 3D, but the overhead camera option was available in Subsistence on the PS2 (hitting select I think to switch back and forth). There were a few areas where I thought the overhead camera was more useful (mainly inside of buildings).
Yeah, I would swap between the 2 modes when I played on PS2/PS3. It was a great way to reorient yourself in the jungle. Start and Select just do the same thing on the 3DS version.
But like I said, I'm playing this for the novelty of it. I still have the PS3 and Vita versions.
Crouch walking is overpowered but I miss it when I play another version.
It can also turn your 3DS photos into camo, took a picture of Donkey Kong and had this distorted big eye picture of DK staring at me from Snake's back.
Demo here:
I'm torn because this is in all likelihood going to be a disaster... and yet? Maybe eventually we'd see remakes/remasters of the whole main series?
(Now a spinoff where you play as Para Medic, maybe...)
Mildly optimistic about the classic bundle thing, maybe I'll get to play the original games with JP voiceover, finally
I wonder if that is even possible without remaking it. I suspect it has not been ported because the whole PS3/Cell development seems to have been a nightmare impossible to divorce from the hardware
who knows. I'd like to see it for sure
The issue happens when you're talking about making something new from scratch that's when things get hairy.
And I know people will say well this isn't new it's a remake and sure but it's either MGS stuck in remake hell or they do eventually make a new one and well...are the people who do it even gonna understand the spirit of the games.
That uninteresting announcement trailer doesn't fill one with hope either way.
No Kojima, don't care.
Xbox Series and PC as well.
Para-Medic spinoff, hell yeah. That I'd wanna see.
Steam | XBL
A reply also comprehensively adds this run down of the games, options, changes, and bonus content:
Steam | XBL