Does it make sense to buy Chinooks as heavy transport helicopters? Isn't that general design at least 60 years old, even if it got upgraded?
Asking because my government just decided to buy 60 of them.
Yes, it's a good choice if you need reliable heavy transport helicopters. It's that, Sea Stallion, or if you belong to the Soviet ecosystem the Halo. France has the Super Frelon but I dunno much about it.
The age is kinda irrelevant as they have been upgraded and redesigned enough it's a Ship of Theseus situation where everything is either dead simple and proven reliable with no reason to change it, or as good as anything you would get in a less tested / proven clean sheet design.
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Does it make sense to buy Chinooks as heavy transport helicopters? Isn't that general design at least 60 years old, even if it got upgraded?
Asking because my government just decided to buy 60 of them.
A Chinook is basically just a semi with a cockpit and a couple of rotors, it's a perfectly serviceable airframe for the job. There aren't a lot of newer designs for heavy-lift helicopters because there just isn't a need for anything better.
Like as a comparison the US is still flying a *lot* of C-130s and those went operational in 1956.
Unlike a lot of "old" airframes, the Chinook is still being both actively updated as well as actively produced, which also means repair parts are being actively produced. I'd really only be concerned if your country bought a ton of REALLY old used ones.
OK guys, who is excited for TOP GUN to finally come out?
DANGER ZONE
Just based on the trailers, I am expecting the sequel plot to be meat pilots must prove that drones have not made them obsolete. Given that the original movie influenced Macross Plus, the circle will be complete.
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OK guys, who is excited for TOP GUN to finally come out?
DANGER ZONE
Just based on the trailers, I am expecting the sequel plot to be meat pilots must prove that drones have not made them obsolete. Given that the original movie influenced Macross Plus, the circle will be complete.
We already had that movie, sort of. It was called Stealth and it was.... not great.
So I'm hearing that the new Top Gun is decent but doesn't deliver the same level of quotable/mockable lines and the music is perhaps not as danger zoney.
Top Gun: F-14
Black Eagle / R2B: F-15
Iron Eagle I and II: F-16 (Guest starring F-4s as allied MiGs)
Flight of the Intruder: A-6
Firefox: "Super-scary-thought-controlled" MiG-31
Executive Decision: F-117 (mocked up as a stealth transport)
Top Gun 2 seems F-18 centered.
Air Force One has some dogfighting in it, but it's not what I would call a fighter pilot film.
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Executive Decision is another wrinkle in my brain when I consider that Leguizamo has been in SO MUCH STUFF
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Top Gun: F-14
Black Eagle / R2B: F-15
Iron Eagle I and II: F-16 (Guest starring F-4s as allied MiGs)
Flight of the Intruder: A-6
Firefox: "Super-scary-thought-controlled" MiG-31
Executive Decision: F-117 (mocked up as a stealth transport)
Top Gun 2 seems F-18 centered.
Air Force One has some dogfighting in it, but it's not what I would call a fighter pilot film.
I see a distinct lack of Stealth, a documentary about fighters from 2005.
Or Carrier Ops: The Film (subtitled The Final Countdown)
Top Gun: F-14
Black Eagle / R2B: F-15
Iron Eagle I and II: F-16 (Guest starring F-4s as allied MiGs)
Flight of the Intruder: A-6
Firefox: "Super-scary-thought-controlled" MiG-31
Executive Decision: F-117 (mocked up as a stealth transport)
Top Gun 2 seems F-18 centered.
Air Force One has some dogfighting in it, but it's not what I would call a fighter pilot film.
Apparently people have gathered from the trailer and some on set photos:
That the F14 will be in the movie, and dogfight an Su-57.
Exactly the kind of stupid I go to the movies for.
Top Gun: F-14
Black Eagle / R2B: F-15
Iron Eagle I and II: F-16 (Guest starring F-4s as allied MiGs)
Flight of the Intruder: A-6
Firefox: "Super-scary-thought-controlled" MiG-31
Executive Decision: F-117 (mocked up as a stealth transport)
Top Gun 2 seems F-18 centered.
Air Force One has some dogfighting in it, but it's not what I would call a fighter pilot film.
The book plane Firefox is based on, was ironically based on the specs of the MiG-31 as a Russian wonder weapon it was rumored to be. But as many things Russian, it was mostly hype.
I like stealth as a guilty pleasure, but I left it off due to the planes being fictional.
I feel so guilty liking that terrible terrible movie
but the planes are so pretty
I give Stealth credit for actually surprising me. You watch the trailer and it seems pretty obvious what the movies going to be. And it totally was not that.
Does the air force have an equivalent to fighter weapons school? I don't know if red flag does the same thing. Though you'd think that there'd be a dedicated aggressor force that all services could fly against. Made up of pilots from all services.
I know the USAF has dedicated agressor aircraft. IFA Kfir's (Which is apparently the F-21?), old trainers, F-5s, F-16's and even actual Soviet aircraft are used (first captured by the Israeli's, then ones supplied by Germany or other NATO allies post Cold War)
Looking it up the USAF has Red Flag, which is a long multi day exercise carried out multiple times a year. So, not a school but they do train.
Does the air force have an equivalent to fighter weapons school? I don't know if red flag does the same thing. Though you'd think that there'd be a dedicated aggressor force that all services could fly against. Made up of pilots from all services.
Air Force has USAF Weapons School. It’s a bit different though because Airforce mission is different.
I saw an IMAX documentary on it Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag. And it is an order is of magnitude larger than other weapons training. And sometimes has full nations worth of air power in the sky at once. The 21-1 red flag had 2400 participants.
You mean 22? The YF-23 never made it past the prototype stage and the YF-22 was chosen.
And it would be kind of hard, given that Topgun is about US Navy pilots and the F22 is an Airforce plane. Can't even land on carriers.
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Movie spoiler
hang man should've done his full heel turn and shown up in an f-22 to save Mavericks ass at the end
Also is there any reason why that mission couldn't be flown with drones? Like can your typical Sam reach whatever a drones loiter altitude is
You mean 22? The YF-23 never made it past the prototype stage and the YF-22 was chosen.
And it would be kind of hard, given that Topgun is about US Navy pilots and the F22 is an Airforce plane. Can't even land on carriers.
Yes
Movie spoiler
hang man should've done his full heel turn and shown up in an f-22 to save Mavericks ass at the end
Also is there any reason why that mission couldn't be flown with drones? Like can your typical Sam reach whatever a drones loiter altitude is
There is a good reason
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Size of the ordinance. The Super Hornet can deploy a laser guided bomb or air to ground missile 4 times the size of a Reaper Drone.
I must say, this makes me happy. The F-15 has always been my favorite of its era. My grandfather used to work for Lockheed, and always had copies of Air Force magazine laying around. So I'd be reading about it all of the time, lol.
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I knew I a guy who owned a demilitarized Su-17 Fritter and it was certainly one of those 'best day is the one you buy it and one you sell it' things.
But from the Ukraine thread, you can now own a part of a front line Russian fighter-bomber. Care of Ukranian fund raisers.
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Asking because my government just decided to buy 60 of them.
Yes, it's a good choice if you need reliable heavy transport helicopters. It's that, Sea Stallion, or if you belong to the Soviet ecosystem the Halo. France has the Super Frelon but I dunno much about it.
The age is kinda irrelevant as they have been upgraded and redesigned enough it's a Ship of Theseus situation where everything is either dead simple and proven reliable with no reason to change it, or as good as anything you would get in a less tested / proven clean sheet design.
A Chinook is basically just a semi with a cockpit and a couple of rotors, it's a perfectly serviceable airframe for the job. There aren't a lot of newer designs for heavy-lift helicopters because there just isn't a need for anything better.
Like as a comparison the US is still flying a *lot* of C-130s and those went operational in 1956.
DANGER ZONE
86 years later.
Just based on the trailers, I am expecting the sequel plot to be meat pilots must prove that drones have not made them obsolete. Given that the original movie influenced Macross Plus, the circle will be complete.
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We already had that movie, sort of. It was called Stealth and it was.... not great.
Although I wonder how much the past couple months hurt the premise of competent Russian forces challenging Maverick in combat.
Funny if they do rogue / splinter Russian bad guys when the real bad guys are mainstream Russia.
Top Gun: F-14
Black Eagle / R2B: F-15
Iron Eagle I and II: F-16 (Guest starring F-4s as allied MiGs)
Flight of the Intruder: A-6
Firefox: "Super-scary-thought-controlled" MiG-31
Executive Decision: F-117 (mocked up as a stealth transport)
Top Gun 2 seems F-18 centered.
Air Force One has some dogfighting in it, but it's not what I would call a fighter pilot film.
We don't talk about Bruno? Yeah, that's him as the Ding Chavez expy. And Mario, and Chef, and --
I see a distinct lack of Stealth, a documentary about fighters from 2005.
Or Carrier Ops: The Film (subtitled The Final Countdown)
Apparently people have gathered from the trailer and some on set photos:
Exactly the kind of stupid I go to the movies for.
I’m sure it was too late, but add in a couple short scenes and rogue Russian bad guys could become “rogue” Russian bad guys.
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I feel so guilty liking that terrible terrible movie
but the planes are so pretty
And for neat fictional planes, there's Firefox.
Oh, and top gun but with helicopters and nic cage, also known as fire birds
The mindlink plane idea shows up also in Macross.
You mean 22? The YF-23 never made it past the prototype stage and the YF-22 was chosen.
And it would be kind of hard, given that Topgun is about US Navy pilots and the F22 is an Airforce plane. Can't even land on carriers.
Looking it up the USAF has Red Flag, which is a long multi day exercise carried out multiple times a year. So, not a school but they do train.
I saw an IMAX documentary on it Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag. And it is an order is of magnitude larger than other weapons training. And sometimes has full nations worth of air power in the sky at once. The 21-1 red flag had 2400 participants.
Yes
Movie spoiler
Also is there any reason why that mission couldn't be flown with drones? Like can your typical Sam reach whatever a drones loiter altitude is
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I must say, this makes me happy. The F-15 has always been my favorite of its era. My grandfather used to work for Lockheed, and always had copies of Air Force magazine laying around. So I'd be reading about it all of the time, lol.